tv Washington Journal Jesse Holland Discusses President Obamas Legacy on... CSPAN January 16, 2017 8:04am-8:36am EST
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memorial to the reverend dr. martin luther king is hether you are seeing in washington, d.c. on this the holiday that commemorates his a thday and his works as sufficiently rights leader. we will be showing you those the morning.ughout joining us on set to talk about the president and his legacy to race relations jesse holland with the ssociated press their race and etdicity reporter and author of invisibles, the african-americans in the white house. how would you say the president, has been his attitude approaching race issues? he's been very cautious. there have been competing forces toboth sides that wanted him move further and wanted him to a e slower so he had to walk fine line where he can get mentssage that he wanted which is greater and
etter racial relations in america but not move so fast that it damages the other things as president o which was get us out of the great recession. had to walk an interesting line between going further and and yet making sure that ace relations wasn't the only thing that his presidency would affect. really incredible balancing act where there were did too much he and you will have people who say he didn't do enough. of those things where he was going to be attacked either way. i think he did as much as he others he could but think should have done more. he : in recent speeches emphasize emphasized he believed under his enure race relations have improved. do you see that in your reporting?
guest: he definitely has said he thought dly that during his time race relations have gotten better. time weresident obama's have seen the rise of videotape shootings, whether justified or not, by police. technology we didn't think of eight years ago before he came into office. ferguson and baltimore and charleston. more ile we have seen televi televised race relation problems you won't run into anybody who will say race elations is worse than it was 20 years ago or a decade ago. the things that president obama for to deal with is that the first time since really the civil rights movement some of relations problems were televised. o, the nation had to cool with these -- had it deal with it in face rather than abstractly.
that was a big change and he had to deal with that which makes things look worse than what it two decades ago because we we didn't eing them, have cell phone cameras where shootings were being televised. we didn't have situations like ferguson a decade ago where it 24-hour channels. so, on the surface it may look things are better -- things televised ecause of access but you would be a rare person who would say that things during his term. host: you talked about how some did too much or too little. he e people brought up t tpeufirst nstance with skip gate and you think that was a defining moment? set the definitely tone for the obama
administration when brought skip and the police officer in for the beer summit where they out.d talk it that would set the tone for what to be because he didn't actually go to that area. he didn't actually say that this should be done. he said these two sides have a legitimate point. and bring them together talk it out. there were people even then who strongly condemn there were ones who wanted him strongly support the police. and everyone knows when you walk street you e of the get lit by cars on both sides. and he tried two walk that and each time he ould get hit by cars from both sides. host: our guest with us if you on the call us
democratic, republican and independent lines. jesse holland writes about fores of race and ethnicity the associated president and the story of the untold american slaves in the white house. did he have that sense going his days as college professor and organizer did he of that sense with topics race? guest: president obama has negotiator.a that was his job as a professor, out problems.k now, once again there were a lot of people who wanted more strong statements from the president and one reason i think i heard the callers say earlier a lot of people were so surprised his son could at have been michael brown. trayvon ould have been martin. that was an unusually strong
from this president, someone we had gotten used to line.g to walk that middle as has presidency went on he moore and more stronger an -- on race relations statements. we think back to the beginning of his presidency he had to walk from a close friend, his minister, who made what people controversial statement jeremy wright. first when he made his speech on race relations. o, even from the beginning of his presidency, president obama ried to be a negotiator and a peacemaker on race relations. it is up to people to think succeeded. kirvin in ill go to texas, the independent line. aller: i want to ask you about
fox news. ever since he's been president to now they have een reporting on the negative night and day on everything he , like egative everything hen he responds to race relations they make it he said when he said something good. .hey twist it every day if the economy got good they ttack that under his administration every day. a lot of people responded on fox and talk because you go out to people they say the same saying.ox news is what do you think about that? guest: well, the first thing i say is i know a lot of fine reports at fox news and a lot of
talking about is the work of the commentators. most of my friends are the so what i know is most of the reporters i know at ox news do a good job journalism. state -- the comme their job to o tell you what they think but ever confuse the job of the reporters, whose jobs are to ork in the white house press corps and cover congress with the job of the commentator whose you whether they like someone or not. that is what they are paid for. apex, north carolina, republican line, adam. you are on. good : good morning, morning. thanks for the show as always it is fantastic, pedro. y kquestion is predicated on what way can we begin discussions between each other out and if you can
resolve issues when so many gone i ave basically guess online with what the that before me had said we all kind of go to our idea -- idealistist camps. that you e first step would recommend doing to nitiate that process a successful outcome? guest: well, that is a great question, caller. you that i confronted that question when i was teaching at the university semester.s this past and they asked me a similar the ion and i will give same answer. conversation. the first step is always conversation. the first step is always talking to someone and listening to what say. have to talking to someone you don't different ne who has
beliefs and keep an open mind to says.he person one thing we probably don't do as well as a country right now to what someone who believes differently than we do, what they have to say. we do a lot of talking at people people. of talking to i think the first step we need to take as a country especially race relations is to talk to people and then listen to what that person has say. instead of talking at them and turning our ears off and moving topic.next host: i will read from a reece kansas city star policy things the president has done with race. writes the president's lasting impact on race relations sensational less policy decisions he brought several budget protect voting health careccess to and quality schools and none of it can be easily measured.
expand on that. guest: one of the things that is at the end of a presidency is putting it in we orical context because are still thinking of it as news and not history. few years until we can actually place in proper what the last eight years were like as far as race and as far as the presidency. made ent obama overtly sure that he was the president f all america and not the president of black america. and by the way that got him into in the with people african-american community who thought that he should have done specifically the black community. but he did things he thought ould help the entire country and it is going to be a while until we can place in proper
exactly how president bama helped the african-american community or helped or hurt the entire country. things that those er ond the my brother's keep er program which was meant to help boys of color you can very little you can point to to say he did it for minority communities. ut a the will of programs he pushed as president was meant to help all america which includes the african-american community. hard to point to a lot of things that were specifically for the african-american communi community. a lot of the programs were specifically for the entire country. for those looking for the more than what were they looking for? looking ey were specifically for programs that would help inner city america or specifically african-american men and women. hey were looking for programs
that were aimed directly black america.t and like i said, the my keeper program was specifically aimed toward minority boys and men of color. throughout his entire administration you what that,aimed rograms specifically at black america and that upset some like cornell west. they were looking for specific programs and obama didn't offer too many of them. host: arlington, texas, independent line, earl, you are on. caller: first i would like to say obama's legacy on race tepid and s one a cautious response. he n starting out with t summit where he had to recognize the authority and existence of a police officer when he arrested a 61-year-old in his which he as a way in pushed the narrative that he was toward white d
people. the situation in ferguson in u they were obsessed with the hands up don't shoot was they failed to mention there was a systemic ferguson and toketing people and using it get money and revenue but they have this narrative that michael a thug, hands up, don't shoot but there was and nce of systemic racism no one was held accountable. joe i would like to say mixon a football player from oklahoma who was convicted of of a white woman who they fail to yet mention she did more to him than eric garner did to the police officer who was choked to never nd obama has mentioned or said people need to be held accountable. closed racialin a
society. guest: one thing i will say the iately is that president even himself put a he post-racial america chicago.st speech in i think a lot of people expected merely change because of president obama's election nd much sorely and are sorely disappointed that it didn't. one thing we have to keep in is a land of ica incremental change. was aent obama's election change, but it was only a change in one location. didn't change south carolina or utah. california.ange it changed the top but change and works he bottom its way up. so a lot of things that we've eight years i the think has disappointed a lot of people because we expected once
was elected that the world hanged and we are finding out that one election doesn't change the world. happen from the bottom up. it's one of those things where i a lot of people were and are disappointed that the farther as 't move far as race relations because of obama's election. means we have something to work for and shoot for now even today on this artin luther king jr. federal holiday. bornalbany, new york you are on with jesse holland. caller: good morning. think that we would be able to, if we stepped back and white against black, i'm a biracial and my grandchildren are biracial. i love them and we should take people who e young
today are intermarried and i think to 40 years this should be eliminated all of these problems. what do you think? guest: part of my job at the has been covering demographics and you are right, 20 years i think one story i wrote last year or the year i think the kindergarten now the de class is first grade class, there is the irst class of kindegarteners now first graders where there are more minority children than white children. so, the demographics of the country are changing and this is one thing we have to keep in mind as we move forward. we are going to be -- 20 years, 30 years -- we will majority/minority country so race relations are pretty
if we can't ause get along now what does that say or 30 years from now when that class of are high ners schoolers and college graduates nd they are getting ready to vote. what world are we building for them and what are we showing th them, how are we showing them, up example are we putting for them? the world is changing and we have to prepare our children for that world they are going to be karpblcarjack -- charge of. host: has the president address how he will these issues post-presidency? thing we will one be interested in. because he will be one of the in the idents to stay nation's capital after he leaves the presidency and one thing he he's going to put more effort into his my rother's keeper's program to
improve the lives of young boys color.n of so that is one area that he will be working on. do else is he going to publicly? he hasn't quite said yet. to see what aiting michelle obama will do post-presidency so we are trying find out exactly what positions they will take on hese issues after husband presidency ends -- his presidency ends but he will continue on that program. host: the first lady's influence spoken he may not have more than a few times what do you think the overall influence to race?ith respect guest: just the example she sets. been an icon for young women and men of color. with her grace and with her attempts to be the best first lady she can be. the things we are going
to -- by the way, you can see in the respect that people have for her. eople have been clamoring for her to run for office, any ffice that she can run for, even though she said she doesn't want to but people are trying to mind.e her just the example of the almness, the grace that she's shown during her presidency. and her willingness to go out herself out there hether lula hooping or -- hula hooping or dancing with children. a really e has been good place for women and machine as a great look example for them. kathleen, s hear from los angeles, california. democr democrats line. stkpwh aller: how do you measure race
relations? economics. black americans have been in 400 years and 98% ants of e direct descend slaves. the economic condition of black 1-2 of ss than 1% the same percentage we owned ago.years e will not have good relations until we change our economic condition. won't do better for black americans than obama because specifically has a new for black america for descendants of slaves. been talking about a and nothingthem
change. ll the callers never mentioned the economic situation. guest: the one thing i would things ue with is that have not gotten better for african-americans the last 100 years. statistically of course things have gotten better for african-americans over the last years. are things where we want them to be? of course not. even dr. martin luther king jr., life, had of his started shifting away from civil rights soard economic we know when the caller says be omic rights are going to important, they are definitely going to be areas that for even to move obama tried things forward. during the great recession unemployment an was in double digits and even president obama said i think last couple of months he is proud that he's gotten the african-american down into t rate
single digits. ut it is still higher than the rate for white americans. needss still so much that to be done and economic part ofs are definitely the entire race relations problem that america has. a job it is have hard to do anything else. it our children are hungry is hard to worry about anything else. so if there is a plan to the economic security of minorities, i can't think of no, we don't want to do that. but that is definitely an area need to think of and one of the least talked about areas of career.'s after the civil rights act was moved to he had economic rights. i lived for years in memphis where he was assassinated and
part of the reason he was in memphis at that time, to economic ch for rights. so, that is an area we need to that was an area he was concerned about. host: economics or otherwise what faces the president-elect it comes to issues of race? guest: wow! is is esident-elect trump inaugurated next week, one of the things that america will be looking for is a leader, a leader not only on economic rights but race relations. that is one thing that he will talk about.ave to one thing he talked about during the -- was feels the killings and shootings in chicago. african-americans live in more than chicago. be hat is one thing we will looking for him to see what he's going to do. he's a republican, the republicans are big on business and economic rights. hat is an area african-americans need help as
well as the caller said. looking to see administrationng has it say and will do for african-americans, for asian americans, ispanic when it comes to ras relations -- race relations whether on the economic or civil raoeuights si whether they will push forward reauthorizing parts of the voting rights act. to seedy will be looking what they do because this was not a huge topic for them during that he's n but now the president of all america we will be looking to see what the on nistration has to say these issues. host: there is ruth from ilmington, north carolina, independent line. caller: good morning. the topic g about ecause i feel as though the questi
question, first question wasn't the idea ofctly and legacy of race relations under obama obama, president obama's legacy, that we focus too much also on that issue of race and prejudice. and i feel as though the last about economics .as very much on target i attempted to get on in the i was going tond nd i called on the line that did not feel that race relations improved. but i do know that there has change has and the happened as you mentioned, jesse, because people at the did some work. and that is where change comes. leave it there,
ruth. i apologize because we are running short on time. to comment. guest: i don't think there's race who will say that elations hasn't changed, that things are not better than it years years, 20 years, 30 ago. i'm originally from mississippi and i can tell you it is better han what it was 30 years ago but there shouldn't be anyone who says that things can't get better. one thing we will look for during the trump administration. what the new president is going as far as race relations, what is his plan it make things just for black america but all america. ost: our guest reports for the associated president author of invisibles. 30 seconds on the book. guest: it is about the who an-american slaves lived inside the white house with the first presidents and came from and the
who they were and what they did after they left the white house. story of the american people, a forgotten part of our history.se and it is a story where you can the inside story of what happened at the white house and what happened to these care of the ok preside president. unwillingly they were slaves but they took care of the president. you can find out how the early slavesnts related to the and how they related to him and what happened after they left white house. host: we have more people to the thoughts on the idea of president's legacy. the next person as we talk about this topic. laureate later on we will talk about this as well. when nversation continues "washington journal" continues.
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