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scenes as it is explicitly not. you might think that's reckless. you might think that may result in homicide that the killing of a border patrol agent perhaps. you might be the head of the doj and if you're involved in this, you're probably promoted because nobody was optimal for fast and furious has gone to jail. and nobody's really even been fired. how about violation of internal revenue laws? if you write to leverage, we would be put in jail. that's a violation of the internal revenue code itself for people who are following. it's also a violation for politicians and politically motivated bureaucrats to get involved in a violation of the hatch act. the hatch act or this bureaucrats from getting involved in political situations like this in targeting political opponents. it's a violation of law. but it's a phony scandal according to the president of the united states.
>> and depth on booktv continues in here at our table in washington d.c., april ryan, author of "presidency in black and white," white house correspondent. eddie glaude, his latest book, democracy and black. and david maraniss, has written 11 books. one of them, transfixed. the tone and tenor of the critics barack obama has faced we heard him a moment ago. >> they don't function that the loyal opposition. it seems what we've witnessed over the last eight years of folks who are committed to their ideological position of the prophecy of democracy. >> more so than george w. bush or ronald reagan or richard nixon? >> he was able to assemblies implement his policy. we could actually push this back
to the contract with america. they can actually push it back a little further than that. i think what we are witnessing now is in some ways a kind of apex of a general tenor of our politics for its broke into its core. donald trump is an exaggerated indication that the rock at the heart of the beltway. >> host: david maraniss, you corrupt with what richard nixon faced during watergate. any difference is last eight years? >> well, i think it has intensified. actually, the contract for america seems kind of tame now. policy is the least important thing now it seems like. it's opposing whatever someone opposes. richard nixon was impeached and resigned from office because of his unconstitutional actions. president clinton was impeached
and saved from being removed from office or for largely political community since he was impeached that would argue. so that is where he would start this modern trend. but i think president obama, you add in the extra added issue of race and the way he and his family have been just unbelievably characterized by some opponents is beyond anything that's happened before. >> host: michelle malkin or hugh hewitt yearbook was going through your mind? >> guest: what is at the crux of really why you despise this man. >> host: that's the word, despise? >> guest: i believe so. i'll tell you why. it is so embedded. we have never seen any president and i've never seen him there
were state anyone do or say anything about them the way they've done against barack obama for the time barack obama became president, we heard on the radio, rush limbaugh say i want to see them fail. >> host: but he said he wanted a spouse is failed. >> guest: afterwards. he went back at all. i've got the tape of that. on this wonderful platform of c-span, and we have heard people taken off the air for using the. i am not saying everyone who does not like president obama's polished these were about the affordable care act where policing, not necessarily about that. there is a strong undercurrent in this country and we've seen it before or hate against someone because he is different is very pervasive. i believe race and politics and i believe it's the fact black man is president of the united states. >> host: at eight years ago,
barack obama sworn in as the 44th president. here's a portion of his inaugural address. the focus on her website, c-span.org. >> today a cd of the challenges we face are real. they are serious and they are many. they will not be met easily find a short span of time. but know this, america, they will be met. [cheers and applause] on this day, week out there because we have chosen hope over fear. unity of purpose over conflict and discord. on this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises of recriminations and worn-out dogma is that for far too long have strangled our politics. we remain a young nation. but in the words of scripture,
the time has come to set aside childish things. the time has come to reaffirm our injuries. had to choose a better history, to carry forward that precious gift, the noble idea passed on from generation to generation. the god-given promise that all are equal, all are free and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness. [cheers and applause] >> host: david maraniss comments you hear the words, you cannot muster the echo of what he spoke in boston in 2004 at them later this month the president will deliver an address in chicago basically looking back at his eight years and i wonder if we will hear more of what we heard during his immaculate dress. >> i will always be a threat as any speech he gives. even as the world to shift it around him. i was there that day of the first inaugural address and i remember the contrast between the incredible dealings of the
crowd. people have never gone to another duration before. thousands and thousands of african-americans finally feeling franchise didn't come way and this incredible joy of the crowd. yes, there was the aspect of this speech that echoes the larger sensibility, but it was also a fairly bleak beach because he was facing a really tough position of the nation's economy and he was trained to warn people this to be difficult. i was struck at the difference between that rhetoric and the feelings of the crowd. >> host: lancer rope and at 202-748-8200 for those of you in the eastern half of the country. those of you not in pacific. 202-748-8201. three hours the first sunday of every month on c-span2 and death. this month we look at president barack obama, his legacy as he prepares to leave office. gene from sandy, illinois.
go ahead, please. >> hi, i would like to take the conversation in a different direction and talk about why the american people are so frustrated by the election of barack obama and their disappointment in what he has managed to accomplish. i think that after giving this considerable lot has to do with the way we elect our local officials, that we actually need a constitutional amendment to our united states constitution to make sure that we are 50 individual countries instead of 50 united stated, so that we have a uniform way of a lack in our local officials, who by the way of control over what happens in our country. not the president. everybody calling in as critical of obama, blames everything on him. but i watch c-span everyday and i watch the congressmen cut job
bills and say that we can't have infrastructure bills just to defeat him. >> host: that would do away with what they were talking about earlier with alexander hamilton on the issue of state right. that would give federalism and state level. >> caller: if we continue in the direction we are going, we are going to become a dictatorship because basically the power isn't the president. the house of representatives and the senate. it is unconstitutional. i've written about this today because i'm so frustrated. i am one of these people and 73 years old and i'm ready to stop voting. i voted since i was old enough to vote. i've seen the local republican representative in my district prevent another man from running against him by changing the local election laws to increase the number of people that have to sign the petition.
he had to finally give up. this is wrong. this is not democratic. >> host: thank you for the call. >> guest: our constitution, our wonderful founding fathers when they crafted the constitution i don't think they have my social media and we would expand the way we had. that is one thing. the question is how do you do it and will people be ready to change history? i believe we are now at a point and i understand what she's saying about it could or should. we are now at a point where it's people we are now looking at personality instead of the issues and it's not right. we had a charismatic president with one of the greatest barack obama. even william jefferson clinton and that's unfair. donald jay trump who is a billionaire and who knows how --
this is the reality tv show, real-life reality tv show. i think we need to start focusing in on issues. but going back to the people, that people can make a difference and i still believe that. i believe that the victim is the key. i don't believe that we should have 50 countries. i don't believe bush that the united states coming together. it all starts at the local level. you have to ignite a fire to make a change that you want to see happen. this event happened in history and the gallant an offensive could see where i will let them deal with it, but we have to be active and engaged to make change for herself. >> guest: this is a really important point on the part of the caller that sent some of our colleagues there with your view we are no longer a democracy, we are an oligarchy. we have known in response barack obama's election particularly in
20 tells them are really historic in that he won the presidency with 30% of white people voting. this is so much reflective of the demographic shift, the deep demographic shift that has begun to have an impact into the extent that it's true, some people when in full panic mode that you can actually win without the majority of white people voting. what did we see in response and even before that? a voter i.d. law, voter suppression. there's a reason why it books away books in terms of voter i.d. laws. there's a reason north carolina books the way it looks at voter suppression at texas although it was struck down. ..
in north carolina and around the country, seeking to, shall we say, pursue they're own interests -- >> youing for got a.m. and how the government there took many of the motor vehicle administration offices -- particularly in urban areas, closed them, and now the department of transportation is working with them so they will re-open them and it's almost like what happened with voter rights back in the 1960s. >> even deeper than just the voter suppression and the getting rid of the voting acts act, which is redistricting and re-alignment. you have states in wisconsin, the legislature is completely republican dominated. and yet more people vote for
democratic candidates than for republican candidates because of the redistricting. jerrily map at thing sort do jerri gerrymandering. >> you quit barack obama, he said the following immigrant. if we're on with ourselves we'll admit there are times when some of us claiming to push for change, lost our way, including, he pointed out the self-defeating riots of the 1960s. how does that apply? >> the context of the quit, i was actually in d.c. and i his already listened to that peach and i threw my shoe at the television. he narrating that fit with the neocon position. and rosa parked sitting down in 65, and then i have a dream and
then the wheels fall off with the black power moment and there's a moment when you describe the period as people invoking victimization, people trying to reward laziness in the smooth, it's insidous and it's fact. think the broader opinion the way we tell the story of american politics opens up space or closed down space for everyday ordinary people. so if you tell a story in which politics is backroom deals, then you get republican operatives and democratic operatives trying to figure out to secure power.
if you inform and empower everyday, ordinary people, tell the story of the radicals you get a different picture. >> david, i wanted to take that and put it to a concrete level in detroit. people -- conservatives after that -- the fell aapart after the riot and then the corruption of certain majors. but if youside detroit the seeds of decline were structural and they had to do with housing, with urban renewal, with the news that the suburbs war -- the noose that the suburbs were.ing around detroit and being a one-company up town. there's a tendency to blame riots and black power and there are structural problems be teeth
that. >> at quote from your book. you quiet tavis miley, in the book, presidency of black and wide, and he said: just balls he, barack obama, is our color does not moon he is our kind. >> that was at tavvs smiley's state of the union -- and it was a split screen. it wasn't tavis smally that said it but he was interviewing reverend al sharptop and that's the same day barack obama announced he was going to run for president of the united states, and it was interesting of that reverend sharp continue said that because the relationship of them flourishinged is close. there's a loyalty there between the two that wasn't there prior. to reverend al sharpton wanted to make sure when he made that
statement, that the black current was covered, and not all -- not only that but you have to remember, barack obama was an outsider, he ran against bobby rush, and theylike, particularry members of the black caucus. they said it's not your time yet. so people didn't know him, and they needed to find out who he was, and now looking back, reverend al sharpton stayed away from making an endorsement in iowa of hillary clinton or barack obama and that really played into the relationship that they now both share. and that would have been very -- he have gone out and said something for hillary would it have been over for a lot of black people. >> estster in southfield, michigan negotiating ahead, play. >> caller: happy new year, and. the goodness for april here on
your show. >> thank you. >> caller: she is right on. on so many things, and david mariness i was born and bread in detroit and i was here at the time of the riots and you're right in some ways but you're also wrong. what it is -- and let go back before those riots and go back even to world world war ii becas a i'm 79-year-old old and i'm a child of that war. people let barack obama down, people let our democracy down because of lack of civic engagement. the lack of voting. the lack of keeping themselves informed. and maybe because i'm a child of
that second world war, my family always understood about what happened in voting, and i have voted every year -- every time and i was eligible to vote when i was eligible to vote when was 21 years old, and that was for eisenhower. my father was for him, and my father was from that war. but let's go to this business about what has happened now, and our time about black folk and about black folk not being engaged. they haven't been engaged because they haven't had the civic education and they need to -- they don't need the book. it doesn't need to come from school. they need to have to understand who they're voting
for. >> host: estes, if you can stop there, thank you for the call from michigan. >> i appreciate her comments. i went clear to me what she said that i said was wrong. >> the about theorieses. >> she didn't -- the riots. >> she didn't say why because it don't know how to respond. so i'll just appreciate ore comments and leave it at that. >> can you give me the quote about the riots? the last statement -- i wanted to say something about that and go back to what she said. it was basically something about how we do the riots -- remember when dr. king -- when dr. king died there wererights around the country and in our own community. it was self-defeating and i believe that's what he said. self-defeating. we were upset. we go into the rich communities and i'm not saying we should riot but we hurt ourselves. i am from baltimore maryland,
freddie gray when there were riots in place is frequent and still drive by, i remember that cs was on fir. people in that community, very low income. they have to go a very long distance to find medication now. i know congressman elijah cummings lives that that community and someone saw him at the rite aid a couple miles down but that was the impact. self-defeating because we're upset and because of that, we do have activism. we had "black lives matter" run for mayor, didn't win, but we need to understand that everyone has a right to express -- not that way but express and try to change and make a difference, and the up fortunate thing many of us don't feel we have 0 voice. >> it one to to talk about impact of urban rebellion on the
community. it harmeds the community. >> it does. >> it's wrong to make the claim that nothing politically follows from that. wrong to say nothing followed from watt -- policy-f-nothing from furyk and at the rebellions across the country after the aassassination dr. king, we saul the ways in which government tried to move in response to that. understanding that rebellions are the cries of the voiceless, which other kind of political pathways or processesert not available and this is what happened. but i think to render them as simply apolitical or irrational acts, kind of is in some ways to evade what history has taught us. i think part of what i was saying was barack obama was
narrowing the range of what constitutes legitimate forms of political dissent. what has happened over the last decade or so even longer than that, is that the nature of american politics has become such -- so narrow. walter mondale is a radical today. can you imagine hearing the tale of two cities from mario como and whether your march organize some ways behind -- some some closed room. the black radical tradition is much more robust than that. >> the problem is we don't have a seat at the table. the next administration there is a concern within the black republican community, the seats at the table or in. >> reverend blackerrer didn't have a a seat at the table
i-going to quote shirley which chisolm. she said if there's no at zito table, bring a folding chair. and that's what that's people are trying too do whip riot. i'm justifying at awe because it self-dieting in your own community. but the bottom line is we're not at the table. >> host: send us a tike at booktv, you're making me cry covering our gracious, intelligent president. what will we do now? the caller from colorado. >> caller: thank you for having me. i want to be real quick and maybe change the topic a little built. i just want to say i'm -- my mother is mexican, my father is black. and my grandfather came from mexico. one thing that is really important to me and we need to address is the lottery system
that the united states that. my grandfather -- >> guest: immigration, correct? >> caller: yes, ma'am. my grandfather was not illegal mexican. we was brought from the ghetto project and he won the lottery at 13 years old to be in texas. my family was then a migrant worker. i married a cause indication man. i'm in -- caucasian man. i'm in the medical felled medical field and i'm -- i want to address cultural sensitivity and it's important to remember that we as americans were able to come here through the lo lottery system on my grandfather's side, and i just wonder -- i have to allow people
in the medical field and re -- respect for cultures but mind is not respected. if i show my assertiveness, it's posturing and confrontational. so i'd like to have the panel help me understand how to address these issues, especially in the medical field. and i have two men, two boys of my own, who their culture is not respects and i'm trying to bring is in full circle in that as an african-american boys, they can't wear braids without being stereotyped ump. >> host: angelina, thank you for the call. i'm going to turn to you, april ryan, because you write that is in. >> guest: assimilation in my new book i talk about that. a lot of voices on assimilation. we talk about assimilate. i'm a black woman in a white male dominated town, been here 20 years and it's not easy, but one of the pieces that helps me do my job, unapologyic and we
hear a lot of -- in the journalism field we hear in the newsroom and prepredominantly white newsroom they put us on a story about african-american and we have had to find about issues in mainstreamers but they're not forced to do things when it comes to my issue. aim correct in that assumption. >> guest: to a certain extent. >> guest: but it's valley we have to without in who we are and walk your truth, but at the same time understand the dynamic of where you and who you are -- who i am, what i. a nit the panels, the 20 years i've been here, and asking presidents questions. when i look at the president of united states and ask him a
question, i've talked to the black caucus but i focus on urban america. >> host: let me ask you about syria and whether that's a stain on the own on presidency. >> guest: astain on the world, and it's a paradoxical stain on the obama presidency because you have not just obama but the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, samantha power who built her career on trying to prevent genocide and writing that issue, and yet the united states has not been able to prevent genocide in syria. the murder of thousands and thousands of people. it's much easier to criticize syria than to say what anyone should do -- >> host: he did say the red
line, and syria crossed the red line. >> guest: absolutely. i'm not defending president obama on that statement or whether he should have said it in the first place. because it just led to -- he's much more of a flexible person that ever setting up a red line on things. that's just not his nature. i don't have any profound to say and i don't think anybody does. it's a very sad aspect of the modern world and everything that could go wrong went wrong in syria, you have the situation among the many mistakes that president obama made is is acing where the dominant player is russia. >> host: month his biggest nemesis on the world stage has been putin put, the russian president. his closest alliances including
canadaon prime minister trudeau, angela merkel, so what about the world of barack obama and how world leaders have viewed this his presidencies spa and i think the is generally respected around the world but not necessarily by the leaders. think his strongest alliance is with angela merkel, and they come out of different political perspectives but found the same place, basically. which is attempting to be rational and in a traditional sense liberal on immigration, particularly with merkel, and in dealing with the rest of the world, but i think that people yearn for strength in foreign policy. that's a narl natural, huge -- that's not president obama's strong point.
the fact he doesn't always try to exert strength is not necessarily a weakings in but it appears to be. >> you're nodding your head. >> guest: really important to think about how president obama has seen on the international scene post the bush year. the overreach of george w. bush and the caution both president obama with regard to these questions to the extent to which he has tried to recoup america's reputation on the interstan stage after the disasters of the bush years, might become an interest way of measuring the relative success or failure of bone -- obama's foreign policy. we look at the particulars, whether it's syria, libya, the drone policy, and we know that the exercise of soft power and hard power, driven by some consistent ideological
commitments that cut across his administration and bush administration, open him up for criticism. husband last state of the -- his last state of the union was a profound, i think, voicing of his understanding of the use of hard power and soft power. at the moment -- at the beginning of the last state of the union he described america's military as the most powerful in the world. at the end he is talking not use of soft pair and example is cuba. how american soft power can work and in the -- in between he makes the commend e comment about a civility and language around immigration and the like at the moment and he is chastising donald trump with an eye side there but making the isis raiding houses croat across the border. that speech gives us a an indication of the ideological frame of obama. >> guest: which is pretty complicated. >> host: joe from venice,
california. you're next good afternoon, sir. >> caller: hi. well, in the many discussions i have heard on programs such as this, i've almost never heard my following point: i think that the white part of our nation has gone about as far as it can go in our racial feelings toward blacks. look at our society. the number of black respected police chiefs we have, judges, news anchors, commentators. the number of black politics, now asked for their opinions in the number of interracial couples on the street. one of your call-ins was such. the issue -- i've been writing this her hurriedly and i'm losing some -- we see a host of science now of how black people
are being accepted as equals. imagine 50 years ago, none of this would be happening. we've come awfully long way. still have a long way. >> guest: we still if a long way to go. we have reached the highest level -- the white house, you can't get any higher but we still have the lowest of lows and a problem in the middle. say this. i hear you, but weapon we talk -- when you say that -- i think white america has gone as far as we can could be accepting blacks, no you haven't. i say this without politics as an african-american. when you look at the facts and still see african-americans disproportionately in almost every category, that's a problem >> host: one of the moseyingant
speeches in doug in which he addressed the issue of race relations in america, here is then-senator barack obama. >> i'm a son of a black man from kenya, and a white william white woman from kansas. i was raised with the help of a white grandfather who see e served in world war ii and grandmother who work an bomber assembly line while he is overseesaws. i'm lived in one of the world's poor's nexts and gone to the best schools. inup married to black american mo carry monday her the bloods of slaves and slave owners, an inheritance we give to our daughters. her ons, nieces, uncles, of every race in three constant continents and as long as i live i will never forget in 0 country
on earth is the story is possible. a story that has not made me the most conventional of candidates. but it is a story that has seered into my general nettic makeup the idea that this make is more than the sum of its parts. that out of many we are truly one. >> host: march 2008 teche national constitution center during the highlight of the campaign, opposed by hillary clinton. conclude respond? and what you heard from the caller. >> guest: that speech was really important and a number of ways. its salvaged his candidacy. i don't think he could have won if he hadn't made that -- given that speech. >> guest: really? >> guest: i think the reverend jeremiah wright issue has.the campaign on the.
edge. if had no come couple and struck the balance. >> guest: his advisers said he wanted wanted to give that speech even earlier and was dissuadessed. it was jeremiah right that propelled him to give the speech >> guest: at the heart of the speech is the way the approached the issue of race and a kind of degree of equivalent in the sense that the equates places on the same level, white resentment and blackeninger, white resentment at the changing nature of society, society is becoming are more equal. folks ang because because they're losing jobs to folks who were once locked out. that anger is equateed to people
black whose highway chafe been kill by a white police officer or a dad who couldn't goal to a drive-in 0 cornel west who jumped in pal and everybody got out and they drained the poolful and there's always this lang of eequivalency, whatever you draw that line, becomes very, very difficult to address the deep structure inequality that defines the country. >> guest: here's one -- you just said that speech saved his campaign. the politics of it makes sense. and that i'm not sure it was completely equivalent but i understand the cargo. he was trying to make but he -- understand the argument but saving the campaign meant he was talking to whites completely. so you have to put into that context.
>> guest: this is why called him in the interpreter in chief. whenever there's a moment where has talked about race, he rarely talks to black america about question. all in some ways trying to convince white mrs. to no convince are so talk to white america. >> guest: one quote from james baldwin here. >> >> host: your next to book. >> guest: one of the most ex-another tech things about being blah is in thin can you we constantly have to try to? are you preaching to the choir or preaching to people not in your choir? that's a more possesssive look at what he was doing but another perspective. i'm going to challenge you, don't think he convinced them because jeremiah wright what his kess friend and con confidante
and people still talk about it. >> guest: i think part of what insist on in democracy in black is that until we kind of confront forcibly without all the sweet talk that in this country, there's an animating value, that white people matter more than other and that belief animates or, arrangements and it's evidenced in habit. but until we address that we'll find ourselves in what jim baldwin,mer is like a monstrous minstrel song, same songs and same jokes. we can do the show in our sleep. >> guest: do you believe any candidate for president could address that optly and be elected? >> guest: yes. >> guest: you do. >> guest: i have to believe it. outside otherwise i've allowedded the con transplants
to effect my opinion. >> host: is this write, in question. from the genesis of doing a buck on baldwin to its completion -- which will be when? how long does it take you to complete a book cincinnati takes a wall. all depends on how the lord moves. >> host: your book. from idea to publics. >> guest: first one was 17 years. it took 17 years but i think it came at the right time. we had the first black president, and then this one, the second one, less than a year. >> host: david, the book on president obama, from idea to publication. >> guest: my books take my senior larger books take between three and four years. >> host: why the book on detroit? >> guest: i was born in detroit. it was signed by a commercial on division that super bowl in 2011 when m~& m m emememwazi driving
through the streets and saul sauce during. >> host: the chrysler commercial. >> guest: i teared up and i wondered why it was that way. i didn't want to buy a chris her but a wanted to write about the city. >> host: once in a great city, and ben is next. we have 25 minutes left focusing on the obama legacy three-quarters authors, three hours this sunday. thank youor waiting . >> want to point out something voice and that is that a half of awe tech are paid for by medicaid and i thought obama was disengines reduce in thises fors for affordable care act and to but all these only the medical plains its would require other
people to give up medical care or pay higher premiums. think he did that because he doesn't have a faith in human beings but if he had been honest with the american public and sat that in thebes miss mary not been able to get care for cancer, he could gotten plan passed and americans would have accepted it. >> host: dan, you're teeing up a debate in washington in the year ahead. >> guest: they -- enwhats to affordable care act, there's no question it neats to be tweaked -- needed to be tweaked. meeting in go say he did this knowingly but there are pieces that had to go through they didn't like and they're saying they have to tweak it. but at the same time, in moving forward, how will it be tweaked? it's not about repealing it and it's about defunding it. who wants to kick people off. the vast majority of people say
there are problems but i'm glad i have self insurance, is covers pre-existing conditions. you can foe be discriminated against if you have a condition and do to another insurance company. there are.com opinion meants that -- componentses that happen people but it had to be tweaked and we'll see. >> guest: the difficulty is that parts the least popular are the parts funding the part that popular. the only way to do that is universal health care which will not happen in the united states but anything below that is go going to complicated and different problems -- you can't just tweak them. bet clear our disingenuous other the critique is, some wasn't to single payer, some want the public office. this is a plan of the
republicans, romney of massachusetts so the idea of republicans being so offended like this, it opinions towels hip potcracy and the manufacture outrange. >> host: some people said he never used the white house to way he should have. i didn't do it the way clinton or lbj would use the white house, bring his critics down 01600 pennsylvania of now wine and debris them. did he use his vice president? >> guest: well, vice-president biden was very effective. much better at hat part oft transaction politics than president obama. it's a valid argument except in terms of result. bill clinton was a great schmoozer. he didn't get any health care bails passed he lost, obama won.
you can critique president obama's personality for not wanting to have drinks with congressmen and nothing strong-arming them. never going to be like that. you can't make somebody be something they're not going to be. but he -- so the extent to which he was able to accomplish things, despite that, is rather extraordinary. >> host: idaho, teresa. >> caller: yes. i'm -- my son and i are lone democrats in cord coeur d'alene idaho, i vote vet for barack obama twice and would have voted a their time and so would my son. in the conversation when talked about the frank dodd act and the bailouts, one thing i'm never heard point it out and it affect meds -- 2008, i was diagnosed
with breast cancer, and emphysema, copd, within a week of each other, i had idaho medicaid and my cancer treatment stopped. that was the year that whenever you want to kell call it. obamacare, came in and pretty much has been saving my life ever sin. last night i went to the er and asked them to get me out before midnight but a my deductible starts tomorrow. i worked for a credit card can i and saw what they used to do to people before the frank dodd act. so there's a lot of good things to protect consumers. now to high interest rates. in the midst of all this thighed declare bankruptcy to save my childhood home. because of the bank bailouts i don't know if obama did it or the dems. don't think it was republicans.
i got a home loan modification so that i can keep my house. so he did those things for me he didn't do everything the said he wanted to, sometimes i was disappointed but he had to play politics. to get us what he could get us. >> host: teresa, thank you for sharing your story in a final point. >> april, david, ed by i pieing reed your- --ed -- our president will be the most beloved and said to say the most hated president ever. >> host: interesting die cot me. most loved and hated. >> guest: that's true. i don't know about -- up to now, of the 44 -- maybe the 45th 45th might be would give him a run for his money.
>> host: what you hearing from the dahler caller. >> guest: the heart. the and mammogram. women have issue width breast cancer and prevention and that's another piece of aca, preventive. i heard someone going through real life issues and she is jumping him as someone who helped her but she said city course. >> guest: i heard real life consequences of policy, which always important to remember, and when people argue that there's no difference between the two parties, you have to remember that for millions of people, policy does make a difference and the two parties have differ policy. >> host: and giving full attribution to dr. king will barack obama be judged by the
color of his citizen or his american president si. >> guest: it's not either/or, it's both. and i don't think that in this case the color of his skin is just something incidental. i think -- in terms of american politics and american history. it's much deeper than that. even though policy is what defines a president, the color of his skin defines this country in a very huge way, i think. >> guest: i agree with david. race and politics will always follow him. and he is the first black president out of all of those white faces. he will now go down down in history at one of the nation's fathers and a lot of people don't like that and they knew that coming in and they were very insular as to what the allowed in and what kinds of critics they allowed in. they're very concerned with how her is perceived and how his
legacy will carry on. >> guest: i hope we reach a point in our history where we can judge his presidency, aproperty from whether he is a the first black president, but they're linked. he has made history. think for black america we have to ask ourselves the question, whether or not the fact of we have had a black person in the white house has changed the circumstances of our life? >> host: well we've other under lifetime. >> guest: i'm sure we will but the question is, will that fact change the fundamental king of the most vulnerable in the community is care most about. >> guest: i say no. >> guest: that question makes my feel too old. i think the lifetime -- >> host: afternoon in nashville, tennessee, back to booktv. >> caller: morning good morning.
i'd like to say to april that i am a baltimorean, born and raised. >> guest: you understand. >> caller: yes. mostly below north avenue and she understands that demarcation. but. >> host: for those who have not been to baltimore, or balmer. >> guest: that's around around the area where the cvss was caught on fire and where the police, the meeting of the police for that night, every night, during that time of riots. >> host: continue, joan. >> caller: yes. and just so many things i want to say, but going back to the recent riots, i was there for the earlier riots, but the one thing they did not -- i watched the news all the time wash that line of -- was the line of love of those older black men of the community who placed their bodies physically between the
protesters and the police. i don't know if you all remember that but in the news media did not cover that, and that was something positive. and that's something that black people seldom get. they're seldom any differentiation between-0 or among black people. they can say, people from countries that america is at war with, they can bring them into this country and disrep -- differentiate between the times. all mexicans norred rapists. all people from arab countries are not terrorists but pow don't dethe differentiation between the black people. 99% of black people can be described the same way as whites. god-fearing, hard-working,
law-abiding, red-blooded americans but you don't hear. that what i would like to see is us black people -- first all, stop referring to ourselves as blacks. what's a black? what are the blacks? whites always -- it's white people. white people. they emphasize that. so, you know, i understand being in the position that black people are in, you kind of acquiescto the dominant situation. part of that is for survival. >> host: joan, thank you. formerly from baltimore, now nashville. >> guest: she is absolutely right. we're all one people with just a different mel -- color. and this is going back to what he said again. we were brought this country --
we're ancestors of those who are brought to country but not afforded the same first-class status, first-class living situations at others or and we are still in a situation, even though we are all the same and all focused on our pocketbooks and what affects or communes, we still have issues were many people in the african-american community are living in substandard homes. the freddie gray situation put a spotlight on blight and the issue of trade and the fact that beth he -- bethlehem steel was taken out therefore country. put people were able to go into manufacturing and work. so we're like anyone else but we are put in this -- we when it's a black issue it is looked ore. >> host: david you talk about barack obama -- i think it was
a datsun that had a floorboard -- explain the story. >> guest: that was his car in chicago. he took michelle out on their first date in that car, and that's the car that he drove up to harvard as well. >> host: do you think the presidency changed in how he changed hit open upbrayinging. >> guest: the presidency has to change anyone eenorm lousily -- enormously. it's like the athlete have the greatest years. what is the rest of their life it? has to change enormously and i think he will continue to have the same larger construct of who he is, whether people embrace it all. i don't think that will change. i think on more superficial level his life will be forever changed.
>> guest: he's a millionaire now. >> guest: yeah. the richest contract in publishing history for his memoir. >> host: what do think he'll earn? i think like 15 to 20 million. >> host: did he change the presidency? >> guest: no. not at all. >> guest: why? he operated within it. we can take it back to nixon, way in which he tried to -- given the re caltrans of coming has ha. her it. don't thing d he had to leverage it. because of who he is, and because of the vitriol direct towards him. i think the office has been tarnished. not because of barack obama but because of the vitriol districted towards him. and -- and we probably saw this with nixon and then e then clinton and -- those at the moments use them as points so i
don't the changed it for the better. think because of all the nonsense and ugliness that has been associated with his presence in the white house, think the office itself of the presidency has been diminished. >> guest: the culture of his -- the mod concern american political culture is so much bigger than president barack ba. he is just reacting to it. >> host: did he enjoy the presidency. >> guest: many aspected he did. the found what he wanted. i keep thinking in my heart that this is what he was debt destined to do and i think the felt that destiny, and i believe he enjoyed it. die believe he video the even video the press? i think -- he ahead hated the
body watch but the governing to help people. believe he enjoyed that and the pull from what from he knew, going back to aca and talking about mother and remembering how she had to del withmer medical billsle her cancer issues. also, when we as a community organizers enthough he could not call it by name, saying issues of race and they knew is, he still thought he was helping, and i definitely believe that even though it was a situation where he did not like seeing it on a daily bay basis or came up he knew that he felt peace in his heart he added to the conversation and the discourse about issues that are happening in the black community particularly, when it comes to issue of policing that we have been dealing with for men years. >> host: elizabeth in jover next. >> caller: i'd like to area your panel's opinion on two subjects and both of these have to do
with my opinion that the democrats have been unable to capitalize on two issues, that might have helped to shave support from both obama and me black population. i'm an elderly white woman but i'm old fluff to remember that denzel was robbed of an academy award when he became malcolm x. your topic, in my own world view and like everybody on your panel. i wonder if county the democrats lost control of the election narrative on these two topics: number one nicer no dispute that most blacks and democrats expressed infrastructure about the injustice of recent police shooting. and the obvious discrimination that at the core of much of the most differently use of unjustified force. so where was the topic of judicial reform?
if we can't rest assured blight october black that overuse of force will be prosecuted. i prom anious that i as am wary of the police as most blacks must feel. this a threat that has to be corrected. the second issue, the media and the democrats have, in my opinion, failed miserably at responding to the frustration and criticism of obama by not reminding and teaching that without congress, this president has been unjustly thwarted his his entire term in office and our people need to know where to place the blame for the lack of action on any of obama's initiatives. the people themselves are at fault for elects others that are against their own interests. >> host: linda, thank you for to call. to issues, race and congress. >> guest: well, when it comes to congress, from the time he came in he -- he would go golfing, trying to -- with john boehner,
trying to work things out and just never happened. and i believe to say something long enough, people will believe it. and this man had has been hitting his head against the wall trying to find a way to come to common ground and you hear this that he doesn't reach out. like every other president in the nation he tried to unify both site sides of the aisle and didn't work and the blame needs to placed where we heard, the leadership. we heard mitch mcconnell same he wanted a one term. it never changed. and in just look at what happened at the end of his presidency. he could not get merritt garland a dade for any kind of hearing for at the sprem court. there was an obstruction built the republican party. they did not want to allow him anymore victories. it's plain and simple. you can same what you want to
say but i cover it every day and calling it like i see it. >> guest: i think -- i want to challenge that. i don't think a general consensus that policing in relation to black people is unjust. i think the data points are very clear about this, particularly in terms of responses to mike brown, brakeown break-ins of responses to freddie gray, eric garland. we sear much more 0 racial divide in terms of how people view policing, and then secondly -- we can see the way in which the clinton campaign and the dnc mobilized around to the i issues just by look democratic convention they had the mothers come in and then have police chiefs on and si tried to split the divide win the base and appealing to republicans and that takes --
the second question, quickly, the second point is that it's seemed to me that the clinton campaign and the democratic -- the dnc particularly -- intent a lot of energy trying to convince moderate republicans that they should vote for the democrat. and by doing so, she made a move early on in the campaign where she distanced republicans from donald trump. and gave them the space to exist and run while he was doing what he was doing and basically they went home. >> host: the call-under talked about media. you work to legacy publication, the "washington post." >> guest: i refuse to do -- >> guest: it is -- >> host: my question is: how did barack obama embrace social media and more traditional media like the "washington post". >> guest: he prefer anything
other than the social media, particularly the printed press. "the new york times" and the "washington post," we were the last ones to get interviews. he would much rather give interviews to other places than that. and i started in his campaign with a very practical, pragmatic realization that how you reach voter. so he didn't change the presidency but he was the first president to really use social media in effective ways compliedly. >> host: am any trouble now i used the word legacy and tradition. i with ha few minutes left. want to ask you to complete the sense: in the obama legacy is what? give you a moment think about it. one more call from oakville, washington. terry, please be brief. >> caller: i'd like to thank president obama's wife for the obamacare and the first lady for the working with healthy food for children in school. am land owner washington state.
i hope president trump opens up the super rail for the -- upcoming president to create job us because jobs, people bet well-paid jobs in the railroad and the regard is the most respect railroad on the planet. >> host: infrastructure is something that president obama talked about. and now donald trump is talking about. >> guest: we are nation with crumbling bridges and crumbling roads and that -- he dealt with that early on home had a stimulus please for that and you look at the racial break down of construction worker, more hispanic than african-american and if you're talking about boosting the economy for those groups, but we are nation that is crumbling, and the transportation secretary talks built quite a bit and they were trying to push the highway bill and it just -- it was blocked. and there's a problem. >> guest: well whether trump is president follows through on the
infrastructure plan he has and how it e effective it is it one thing but in larger sense it's a nixon on to china deal. obama would not have been able to get any transportation bill through through congress and chris -- >> host: finish the seasons. the obama legacy the white house -- >> guest: the best example of tragedy of american history. >> host: because no dish race continues to haunt every speak. >> host: rain april. >> guest: the face and substance of america that we don't always want to see. >> host: because. >> guest: because when it comes to issues of race we tend to push it away and say, home not going to deal with that, it hi and who he is and to the
position he climbed, he put a spotlight just by being there, put a spotlight on the ills in the community. >> guest: i'm going to stay from any arguments about policy. which i -- you sidewalk a lot of different things and just say i think he left a legacy of dignity and intelligence. >> host: your next book is what. >> guest: a become about he house on american activities committee and various people who encountered one another there. minimum is on james bald win. >> now next book is out. >> guest: ways. >> race and black and white. >> guest: they want me to write another one and i have a feeling it might be trump. i'm covering it. >> host: have how thought of a tile. >> guest: black night, black and white,. >> host: april, edry, david,
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