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the successes and failures of the affordable care act. our guests are james good product of the american enterprise institute and the center for american progress ,topher spiro. ♪ host: good morning. 18,s wednesday, january 2017. today will be another busy day on the senate side of capitol two confirmation hearings scheduled to happen simultaneously at 10:00 a.m. donald trump's nominees for health and human services secretary, the epa, commerce secretary and you.n. ambassador. yesterday, president obama announced he will grant clemency to 300 individuals, including chelsea manning, the army
private convicted of leaking a trope of military secrets. morning, our phone lines are open to hear your reactions to this final twist in the manning case. phone lines are open. if you support president obama's decision, 202-748-8000. if you oppose the president's decision, 202-748-8001. you can also catch up with us on social media come on twitter -- social media, on twitter come on facebook. -- on twitter or on facebook. we are talking about president obama's decision to commute the sentence of chelsea manning. this morning, it is making the headlines of several papers around the country. this is the front page of "usa today."
we will be talking more about it. we want you to start calling in. our phone lines are split a little differently this morning. if you support the president's decision, 202-748-8000 is the number for you. if you oppose the president's decision, 202-748-8001. if you comments from facebook already this morning. -- a few comments from facebook already this morning. -- hiran writes in -- jeff says -- looking for your thoughts this morning.
edward is in jersey city, new jersey on the line for those who support the president's decision. caller: good morning. happy new year. i do support what president obama has done for chelsea manning. i was just watching an interview on cnn where glenn greenwald was invited to talk about this. he was saying how chelsea was in iraq and witnessed so much that is wrong. it is the right thing for president obama to do. i agree with the first comment you read on facebook. also snowden. thank you so much. host: erin in silver spring, maryland. line for those who oppose the president's decision. caller: manning betrayed his fellow soldiers. there's no excuse for this.
that our commander-in-chief pardon a traitor in war -- host: mercy, good morning. caller: i do support that because i think manning -- chelsea manning is a great heroine. without him, we never would have known what was going on. that other guy was saying he betrayed his fellow soldiers. shows not required to fealty to his fellow soldiers, it is to this country. what was happening over there was flying right in the face of everything this country stands for. i think chelsea manning should have been released a long time ago. unfortunately, it will not be until may. i support this. host: you can keep calling in.
we will be talking about this for most of the first hour this morning. we showed you the headlines from the front page of usa today. the reporter is well known by viewers on c-span. he joins us on the phone now. the first question is why. what explanation has the white house given for this clemency move? guest: the white house has not talked about it on the record. president obama will have a news conference this morning. we will probably hear a lot more tha. the white house telegraph to this last week when josh earnest came out and took pains to differentiate the chelsea manning case from the edward snowden case. predatedanning's case the snowden disclosures by several years.
the damage that was done to national security was great by chelsea manning, but not as great by snowden. manning was court-martialed, face to the consequences, owned up to what she did and has already served seven years in a military prison. which is longer than any other similar case in history. that is part of the thought process. on top of that, you have the transgender issues, the treatment of chelsea manning in this military prison. she has come to become a symbol of not only the antiwar movement, the privacy movement, but gender activists. explain the difference between commuting a sentence and granting a pardon. is a fullull pardon legal forgiveness for a crime. legalinguishes all of the consequences and restore civil rights like gun rights, voting
, where is a commutation just shortens the sentence. it is unclear what the consequences will be for chelsea manning. she is still a private in the army. with this eventually leads to some sort of dishonorable discharge? it does not completely wipe the slate clean. host: could it lead to some action from donald trump? could the trump administration overturned this decision in a few days? guest: no. the president's power to pardon is absolute. once it is delivered to chelsea manning, it is done. order or an executive the type of executive action that can be undone. host: the sentence shortened by 30 years. what immediate reaction did you
see from lawmakers on capitol hill after this news came out yesterday? guest: it was swift and it was vociferous, especially from republicans like paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, john mccain. they all quickly denounced this, used very strong language, words like "traitor." they say chelsea manning, formerly known as bradley manning, put american lives at risk. american soldiers, american diplomats around the world. these leaks disclosed some things the united states would have rather not that would rather have -- would rather have not known. time a leaguerst of the scale was done through
wikileaks where all the tables were put out there without the vetting and reporting process that would have previously gone on. this was a wide raging leak -- wide ranging leak. 300 acts of clemency were granted yesterday. besides chelsea manning, what were the other high-profile ones? guest: another leak case, james cartwright. the former vice chairman of the joint chief of staff. he was convicted in october of speaking to in york reporter about the attack on the iran nuclear program. .- a new york reporter
a first baseman from the san francisco giants who was granted tax evasion in the 1990's. the cofounder of studio 54, another tax case. and you had a puerto rican ofionalist who was convicted a number of bombing attacks back in the 1970's and 1980's. president bill clinton had commuted the sentences of 16 members of this puerto rican terrorist group. rivera had refused his commutation back when clinton granted those because he said everyone had to be released before he would be released. he is the last remaining one in prison. he is in his 70's and obama commuted his sentence as well. inegory korte's work is
"usa today." thank you for your time, as always. the swift reaction from capitol hill, here is a statement put out by speaker paul ryan's office. speaker paul ryan saying -- that statement from the speaker's office. phone lines are open to you. lines split up by those who support the president's decision to grant clemency to chelsea manning and those who oppose. eric in maryland on the line for those who support. good morning. good morning. as always, thank you for c-span. onesuys are the only
bringing real news in this country. , but what about snowden? ?hat about assange aboutre opening our eyes criminal justice, especially under the obama era. i'm very disappointed by the obama administration. lynch -- about loretta when i see the thing about eric holder saying he is the main man of the president -- the fbi director and what he did, this has become a joke under obama. when i think about the century cities -- host: we want to speak to chelsea manning this morning.
that is the topic we are asking our viewers about. you mentioned edward snowden and julian assange. this is the official statement from wikileaks. john is in philadelphia, pennsylvania. supports the president's decision. good morning. caller: thanks a lot. i jotted a few things down. what is patriotism? religions stress honesty, integrity.
the military motto, duty, honor, country. our pledge of allegiance, with liberty and justice for all. we say we are the shining city on the hill. all the world looks up to us because of our ideas. sounds like epoxy. it is difficult for a young ideals, toose his lose his illusions. it is very painful, that cognitive dissonance. it is psychologically painful when you don't go when you have orders to go. which do you choose? you're like a computer that breaks down.
the boy scout pledge says to be honest. that is all i have to say. i'm for it. host: john in pennsylvania this morning. a few tweets as well. jody saying -- carol says -- richard rogers says -- victor is in nevada. opposes the president's move. good morning. victor, are you with us? we will go to alicia in baltimore, maryland. also opposes. good morning. caller: good morning.
thank you for opening the phones to dialogue for regular people like me. i do oppose because information is a very, very delicate commodity. when you have the ability to have information or insight on something that is very, very delicate, that can put lives in danger, lives outside of this country come inside of this country, doesn't matter, our lives. you have to measure very well and very good the channels that you want to communicate that information to. npr ando work for sacramento -- in sacramento. there is a lot of information that sometimes we the people cannot divulge so freely.
concerncreate a lot of among people who are less educated. i understand that america has ofn founded on the tenants free speech and other things that made this country so known for. andver, between free speech a lot of different things that -- iappen, you should really don't think it's a good e information to people who are less educated. how do you decide who is educated enough to understand it? caller: it is very simple. when we have press, the in eighth that print
-- it is not ok to divul ge. it's great education is what the newspapers are printing. education isde what the newspapers are printing. that's a kid who doesn't know how to manage the information. i understand that sometimes the -- they cia, the nsa don't act upon information right away because they need to check the sources, they need to take a lot of different things. e information in a way that you are telling it to a great people, i have my reservations with that. -- eighth grade people. host: afp with a graphic talking about the timeline of the disclosures from chelsea manning
and what the more prominent releases were. was a bradley manning military intelligence analyst in iraq from november 2009 until his arrest in may of 2010. the 22-year-old was arrested in iraq for handling classified u.s. documents -- handing classified u.s. documents over to wikileaks. reports,ilitary military videos from iraq and afghanistan and documents on people detained in guantanamo bay. it deal of a u.s. helicopter strike in baghdad in 2007 that killed does go reuters employees -- two reuters employees. 400,000 military reports from iraq from 2004-2009 and more than 250,000 classified u.s. diplomatic tables that started appearing in november of 2010.
we are talking about chelsea manning's clemency decision from the obama administration yesterday. janet is on the line for those who support the president's decision. good morning. good morning. i'm externally supportive of this decision. -- extremely supportive of this decision. for several reasons. ,he information that was shared how it was published is maybe a point of contention. as far as what was published in detail like a document dump, that was out of control for manning. crimes that manning exposed were much worse than the crime of exposing them.
so, if i put myself in chelsea's situation at that time and i saw those videos of people getting shot, knew about the torture that was going on that is against the law, basically that our government was acting as war criminals, i probably would have made the same choice. knowmerican people need to what we are actually doing. of our viewers have asked, what about edward snowden? recently talked about what he called the stark difference between the chelsea manning case and the edward snowden case. commentsosh earnest's last friday. [video clip] >> chelsea manning is somebody
who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes and sheet knowledge wrongdoing. she acknowledged wrongdoing. mr. snowden fled into the arms of an adversary. in aas sought refuge madery that most recently a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy. i think the situation of these two individuals is quite different. this pointeculate at to what degree that will have an impact on the president's consideration of clumsy
requests. temptatione is a because the crimes were relatively similar to lump the two cases together, but there are some important differences, scale of the crimes committed and the consequences of the crimes. s chelsea manning has acknowledged the release of the information was damaging to national security. the disclosures by edward seriouswere far more and far more dangerous. host: some news on edward snowden in today's "washington times."
edward snowden got a gift from the kremlin. the russian government announced that edward snowden had had his asylum in russia extended. we are asking our viewers about reactions to the chelsea manning decision yesterday out of the white house. jr in tennessee. opposes the president's decision. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to start out talking as a veteran. i believe this is obama's final or slap in the face of all veterans and all active-duty personnel.
once the whole time in office showed a real honest respect for the military. why? he doesn't have it. nor the majority of democrats. they talk about how they support the troops. but when they can find a chance or active duty in the face, they do it. and they do it willingly. , a gentleman that spoke earlier talked about 25-year-olds and their ideals. when you make a choice to join you should know why you are making that decision. it is not a light decision to make.
you are laying your life on the line for your country. because you should have already had the ideals that your country is you and by serving in the military, you serve because you love your country. yourecause you expect country to abide by what you believe. host: did you serve during the time the manning leaks came out? caller: no. host: when did you serve? caller: i got out in 1992. i served during the first gulf germany.ed time in host: do you remember conversations about whistleblowers when you were in the military? what did you and your fellow
soldiers think about whistleblowers? i never heard so much about whistleblowers. i heard about people divulging classified information while i was in germany, there was a had made an attempt to sell information to russia, which was the soviet union at the time. him andrt-martialed threw him in prison like he deserved because he is a traitor to this country. the same thing with this manning. they are a traitor to their country. host: jr in tennessee. there are several veterans who served in congress. if you comments from yesterday -- a few comments from some of them yesterday.
one of several members of congress weighing in yesterday. we want to hear from you this morning. in florida. opposes the clemency granting yesterday. go ahead. caller: good morning. please don't refer to him as a whistleblower. this man committed treason. the motive that nobody ever hears is that bradley manning
was a homosexual who was upset with the don't ask don't tell policy. back then, it was a hot issue. i doubt very much that he thought he was being a patriot by releasing information. we have operatives and agents that were murdered because of the release of this information. that is not in that little newspaper article you quoted. but is not your fault. you never see the truth anymore in the media. that is why people voted for trump because we are sick and tired of the hypocrisy. as far as obama, his motive is clear. he hates the military. socialist utopia. i cannot tell you how disgusting this is.
it is kind of funny coming from the obama administration who is so concerned about the hacking of russia but not concerned about a person that committed treason. host: on the murders of u.s. undercover agents -- is that something you have seen other places? is that a source i am missing? caller: yes, because it is never reported. information that would identify people who were working, cooperating with us. what do you think is going to happen when the other side gets a hold of this information? it is like an old spy novel. a spy gets caught by the russians and gives up information that kills agents in east berlin. it is the same thing for people die. are 2.5 hours away from
a very busy day on capitol hill. there is four hearings for donald trump nominees happening simultaneously. begins at 10:00 a.m. on the senate side, tom price is up for his confirmation hearing to be secretary of health and human services. you can watch that on c-span this morning. we will be going to that at 10:00. you can also listen to the hearing on the c-span radio app or go to www.c-span.org. the hearing for scott pruitt to head up the environmental protection agency. c-span2. be on you can also see that on www.c-span.org.
wilbur ross is up for commerce secretary. his confirmation hearing also set to begin at 10:00 a.m. you can watch that on www.c-span.org. u.n. haley up for ambassador. her hearing happening today just a.m. 10:00, about 10:10 c-span.org.nd toays good to www.c-span.org check our listings. a very busy day on capitol hill on the senate side. left in thisnutes segment, talking about president obama's decision to commute the sentence of chelsea manning. gabriel in los angeles,
california. supports what the president did yesterday. i think the decision was a good one, in a way, because it opens the door to dialogue with the wikileaks people. i think that is maybe where obama was coming from. this.ed to address no, there is so much support for manning and the different aspects of this thing. he opened the door for them. dot: what sort of dialogue we want to have with wikileaks right now? caller: there's a lot of people on both sides -- i think obama
hasne side does not just he been hard line on his approach with them. , maybe at theand reign, he wants to open the door to dialogue with them. with the russian connection and all that stuff command may be trump is more open-minded. he wanted to open the door and bringing thel with wikileaks guy back to the fold. leaderhe house majority in his statement yesterday said this decision is ironic given
the recent rhetoric from the -- from the that menstruation. -- from the administration. leonard in kentucky. caller: i been trying for a week to get through. givinge talking about the woman or man the pardon. i don't think that is right. she's done wrong. she should serve her time, 35 years. they are talking about giving bowe bergdahl leniency. they don't talk about hillary giving away all the information to the fbi they don't
have nothing but they've got to have something. host: doesn't make a difference to you that this was not a pardon? the president just commuted more than 20 years of chelsea manning 's sentence, but chelsea manning has written that she takes full her decisiony for to disclose the material to the public saying she pleaded guilty without the protection of a plea felt she because she would be treated fairly. caller: i think he's wrong. i think he's doing a lot of things because he's against for hillary and
always will be for hillary. i don't think it's right. host: anthony in fayetteville, arkansas. line for those who support the president's decision. caller: good morning. obviously, i do support the president's decision. i was hoping this would further lead into some sort of clemency for edward snowden. but, of course, you have to arrest and conviction first, i suppose. are not only whistleblower and patriots, but really american heroes. american current goal but of america's timeless values. ken in washington, d.c. supports the president's decision yesterday. caller: i absolutely do it i
support the president -- i absolutely do. i support the president. he has the authority to grant clemency to individuals and pardon them as need be. presidents typically wait until the end of their tenure. john mccain was fully pardon for the things he did in vietnam. a lot of his fellow surgeons and -- when he returns to capitol hill, he then suppressed the government from going back and trying pows. this arrives that
at that level. i trust the president's judgment in this instance host. host: a chart of presidential clemency by administration. the obama and his has used commutation much more than past -- the obama administration has used commutation much more than past presidencies. can see how that compares with george w. bush, bill clinton and so on. jim in alabama. opposes the president's actions yesterday regarding chelsea manning. caller: thank you for taking my call. this young man or woman or whatever he is should have been court-martialed and hung.
there is no excuse for what he did and there's no excuse for what the president did for him. i spent 22 years in the army. i believe the president and his party does not care for anything military. host: in what ways has the president to mistreated that -- demonstrated that to you? caller: the way he cut the military. everything he gave to the iranians. he has done nothing for the military or this country. host: david in michigan. also opposes be clemency -- the clemency move yesterday.
caller: absolutely. i would like to know if bradley is responsible for the towers going down in new york. a year before that, he leaked this information and then the towers went down in new york. what connection does he have to that? whaton to this country is kind of crime -- what is the punishment for treason? if barack obama will let a , that isut of prison our own president jeopardizing the security of the unite states. that doesn't make any sense. host: i want to talk about your timeline a little bit. in 2001, bradley manning would have been a teenager -- these
startdid not stil happening until he started serving in iraq in november of 2009. the releases we started seeing started happening in 2010. joni in austin, texas. supports what the president did. good morning. caller: i wish some of the people calling it would what compassion means and how important compassion is and how our culture is leadership in the world in that. and many others are making difficult decisions in their lives, wrestling with issues the american public are now wrestling with. we need to consider the fact what is classified as we are hearing more and more now
that one office will send --ssified almost anything you can limit what anybody else gets to know. pages and documents get passed to another office within our government with whole pages blacked out. how can we be a democracy if we don't know what's going on? if you other tweets from tweaks -- a few other ets from viewers -- george is in new hampshire. opposes the president's move yesterday. go ahead. caller: i have the utmost
respect for the military. however, what manning did put many lives at risk. dangerous precedent for criminals. i do support keeping the public informed, however, the means through which manning attempted to do this did a tremendous the service to his fellow military and his country. host: bob in indiana. also opposes the president's action yesterday. caller: i oppose what the president did. hadn't been a homosexual, he would not have done it. bob? why is that, "the wall street journal" touches on this topic in their column today, saying the
commutation sends a dreadful message to others in the military who might have grievances or other problems but have not stolen national secrets . the editorial board calling it a politically correct clemency. as we said, several members of the u.s. congress having served in the military -- tom cotton from arkansas served in combat operations in iraq. cnn tweeting out his interview, his reaction to the chelsea manning ms.. -- tolsea manning news the chelsea manning news.
[video clip] >> this was grave harm to our national security. chelsea manning should continue to serve that sentence. there will be a time to review her sentence and speak to parole in the future. who has madedent so much recently about the danger that wikileaks has posed to our national security is very disappointing. some of the headlines from papers around the country about the chelsea manning ms news. you can see the headline there with a picture of chelsea manning and a picture of oscar lopez rivera.
here is the east bay times. of "the atlanta journal." many of the newspapers around the country leading with the story today. we have 10 minutes left to talk about it. we want to hear your thoughts. we split up the lines by those who support, 202-748-8000. if you oppose the president's actions yesterday, 202-748-8001. we will get back to your calls in just a second. some news on former president george h.w. bush hospitalized in houston. chronicle in their story from a few hours ago was admitted to the houston methodist hospital after falling ill. his chief of staff saying he is there, he is fine, he is doing very well. the doctors have a couple of bush'ss about
condition, but he is responding to treatment. the former president expected to be discharged in a couple of days. he is 92 years old. of 2015, he was taken to the hospital in portland, maine after he fractured a bone in his neck in a fall. john in florida. supports what the president did yesterday. oh ahead. that's go ahead. -- go ahead. caller: i'm a veteran. one of the things i wrestle with not only as a veteran but as a oppose --is windy you when the you oppose an order from your superiors?
it is immoral or illegal. just like a gentleman who could not escape killing jews. the attitude of my country, right or wrong. my country is right every time. who usee the same guys people around the world and kick them to the curb -- host: jack in new hampshire. opposes clemency for chelsea manning. caller: good morning. inc. you for taking my call. for taking my call it i'm a veteran of 25 years. i agree with a lot of the previous callers. this is a treasonous offense.
100 years ago, they would take him out and shoot him. i don't think the sentence should have been committed. -- commuted. host: is there any gray area here in your mind? caller: it is pretty straight. he admitted to leaking these documents. whether it did or did not cause death to somebody -- i would suspect there was probably some people killed. a lot of that stuff doesn't come forward in the media. host: arlington, virginia. supports the president's action yesterday. caller: thank you for taking my call. i absolutely support what the president did. when it comes to republicans, there's always a double standard. when john mccain was a prisoner of war, he gave up information.
he always gets a free pass on that and we never talk about it. but when chelsea manning releases information that talks about the war crimes committed in the middle east, i think it is important. when you look at the documents and videos come in shows that we bombed hospitals and doctors and certain people. he should have gone further and pardon edward snowden, too. host: did you listen to the caller before you and his concern about the danger that these releases put u.s. citizens, u.s. troops in? he saw it as simply a matter of right and wrong. caller: that is where it gets kind of tricky about what information is being released and in what fashion. there has to be some type of punishment. --ending on the information
information was not even that important. it was secret and there are levels above secret that are far more important. you think it should happen up to chelsea manning to decide what was secret enough to keep and what was not secret enough to be put out there? caller: to some degree, yes. puttingas she is not the lives of u.s. troops at risk revealing as she is the practices the u.s. takes and some of our allies, that is fine. host: rodney in california. good morning. caller: good morning. thank god for c-span. i support what the president did ,ecause if you go to wikipedia
you will find from george bush up to barack obama, there's been clemency and pardons given since george washington, including george washington himself and james garfield and thomas jefferson. they all gave clemency at one time or another. did admit she was wrong. several years is a stiffer sentence -- to my republican friends, i would like to take him at take a look at donald trump right now and see what he is doing to the country. look what he is doing with putin , how he is putting us at risk. taiwan whenng with
we don't deal with taiwan openly. that's be reasonable, let's try to have fairness for everybody on both sides of the aisle. i hope people take another look at trump because he is fooling the world that's pulling -- he is pulling the wool over a lot of people's eyes. chelsea manning is not a threat. chelsea manning has been in jail since may of 2010, was 2013 guilty in august of president obama cutting short that sentence by two decades. in alabama. opposes the president's actions yesterday. go ahead. say, i i would like to
think it was terribly wrong because it gives other people ideas that they may be able to do this thing. i'm a student of history. 1700s, you seee , theyappened in france began to change laws because they did not believe in one country, they believe the world should all be one big goal. you have good countries and that countries. in some places, he would be killed instantly. this country don't do that. but if you commit a crime in this country, you should pay. ought notl government to be in the business of picking because someone's life is to us that and they think they are a woman.
tony in florida. supports the president's actions yesterday. support. betweenthe difference being a draft dodger and -- trump and his doctor should be in the slammer. dodge with aaft little toe being out of place, there is something wrong in this country. the doctors should be held liable for that. host: if you human rights groups -- a few human rights groups putting out statement yesterday. amnesty international usa applauding the president's actions saying chelsea manning exposed serious abuses.
president obama was right to commit her sentence but it is long overdue. it is unconscionable that healing with in prison for years while those allegedly implicated by the information she revealed still have not been brought to justice. a statement from the american civil liberties union's lgbt project director. will walk out a free woman. n in washington, opposes the president's actions yesterday. caller: of course. he is always so upset about and the democrats and all that and yet, he will turn somebody loose that kill people. wars ready to start a world
because hillary clinton did not get to be elected president. willing toerfectly let people out of jail that are criminals. always has been a criminal. always will be. never had a brain in his head. host: a bit more information on that puerto rican nationalist who was released yesterday, whose release was announced yesterday. another one of those clemency requests granted yesterday. we are talking about oscar lopez rivera. role in a puerto rican nationalist group linked to 100 bombings in new york and other cities in the 1970's and 1980's. he had been serving a seven-year sentence after me convicted of numerous charges, including seditious conspiracy. he was linked to the radical flan, one of more than a
dozen group members convicted in the 1980's. his prison sentence will expire may 17. there's dozens of pardons announced yesterday as well. chuck in alabama. opposes the president's actions. caller: first of all, what happened with this chelsea manning is very low level. people talk about treason. treason is when the president of andunited states goes out takes people from guantanamo and turns them loose. you must be getting paid for releasing these people because i don't think any president would even consider returning these people. host: chuck is our last caller
in this segment of "the washington journal." coming up, we would be joined by james cuapretta and spiro on obamacare, the affordable care act, obama's legacy for the country. we will also talk about some lawmakers efforts to boycott trump's inauguration. first, betsy devos and her nomination hearing before the center. she was asked by bernie sanders about her family's large wealth and political donations. [video clip] familymuch money your has contributed to the public and party over the years? >> senator, first of all, thank you for that question.