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tv   Washington Journal Danielle Ivory Discusses Projected Border Wall...  CSPAN  February 6, 2017 1:34pm-2:01pm EST

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shortly. you can watch the president live from mcdill as soon as he begins on our companion network, c-span3. the house due whack-r back at 2:00 eastern for legislative work, but before they'll return, we'll take a look at the cost of building a border wall. this is our conversation from today's "washington journal." > all c-span programs are available at c-span.org either on our home page or by searching the video library. now in our monday segment about your money we're going to talk about the cost of building border wall with mexico. joining us from new york city danielle ivory, a reporter with the new york times. recent line to your piece goes one certainty of trump's wall, big money. an earlier attempt tried cameras budget.r and ran over
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2006. s back to >> sure. in 2006 there was a contract warded by the department of homeland security to build a virtual and physical wall. a physical wall to keep people from walking in. wall to have tual the department of homeland security awarded a large contract to boeing and a contractors and of course subcontracting as well. after about five years, there a dozen more than scathing reports and the technology itself didn't seem to consistently on the border. that was project protect the border. instead boeing built about 53
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wall and spent almost a billion dollars. that's taxpayer money. > so moving it up to president day and the attempt by the administration to work with congress on building a wall, you doubt that if o the u.s. moves ahead with plans for an ambitious border wall, the biggest infrastructure projects in will be a boon for contractors. us more. uest: it may not be a boon for taxpayers. projects like this are very expensive. builds these through federal contracts. ederal contractors then subcontract out generally to smaller local companies. that was that we found very interesting about this is the very strong potential that if we do build a wall at. border, we may actually end up mexico either through urn documented workers at the border
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or through subcontracts to mexican companies that happen to and supply rder cement.like ofphone number at the bottom the screen for our best,
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danielle ivory who is in new reporter for the "new york times." we're talking about the cost of border wall. danielle, what kind of price tag are we looking at? we've heard as high as much lower 0000 but figures have been put out there, as 10 or 12 billion. what are you hearing? guest:. right. mitch mcconnell recently gave a of about 12 to 15 billion. by mit last year said that a wall covering about a thousand miles which is about u.s.-mexican border, that would be about 40 billion 50-footwanted to build a wall. those are the estimates that we've been seeing. gain, i would just bring you back to the boeing example. in that case, there was about 53 miles of wall that was built and hat came with a price tag of about 1 billion.
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to in you were to just do a little bit of math there, it be about 40 billion in whole border. the based on how boeing planned that ut guest: you mentioned cement earlier. how does a wall physically look? brick and mortar and steel and then we've read there will either be fencing on side of this wall. what does a wall look like in future do you think? guest: that's a good question. we haven't gotten a lot of trump.s from president we have heard from him that it and tall and ical inpenetratable. things. mean a lot of in the past when we've tried to build walls, they have been but also have had a virtual component with cameras nd sensors and radars in order to catch things that are going bove or below the wall or just areas where you might be able to
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o around the wall or through it. you also have to be concerned about tunnels as well. looking back at history. he president george w. bush igned the secure fence act in 2006 authorizing some area of wall. 700 miles of that, that has been built. voted law makers that for that might not feel that's for all that they voted because although when they voted for it, it was supposed to be double reinforced. lot of that wall now is actually made up of vehicle of course are helpful for protecting against driving in but would not stop someone on foot. let's get to our first call. robert from missouri. caller.dent
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hi, robert. like a this wall seems great thing for the economy. look at all the contractors that make money. we should build a 40-foot wall atlantic and the pacific coast and then along the border so that the latins don't feel discriminated against in the south. put a wall around our country. look at all the walls it provides. the money can contractors are making. taxpayers stick the with the cost. host: thank you thank you very much. i mean, it's worth keeping in mind that if we're going to wall, it should be effective and if it's not it could be argued that, that's a loss for
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taxpayers. right that caller is if we do build a wall, that will contractors and probably a boon to that are tors as well supplying some of the parts of the wall. then i think it's also worth keeping in mind, we talked to and ts along the border they were telling us that there is actually a construction boom right now. it's actually quite difficult to find legal labor stretched pretty thin. of this t of the point wall is to keep out people who undocumented, it might be worth keeping in mind that some for this wall may end up being undocumented.
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ron is calling from vermont. the wall is a s big waste of money and mexico is not going to pay for it. is think the thing to do get better relationships with mexico and i think our congress especially thend congress people in the southern states there, they cannot figure how to work constructively with mexico. ather than spending money on walls, let's get our economy fix and a ated and and a hanafta.
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more constructive with mexico and fix the problems both e do have but have sides benefit from the economy just like canada and the u.s. does. uilding a wall is not going to solve our problems. it's not going to, you know, create a job for me. north and here in the i don't want my tax dollars going out there and i don't want goods just for ecause there's some tariff on it. that's my suggestion host: ron, thank you for calling thank you very much. i think it's an interesting oint and certainly as we've this, looking back at history and how money -- it seems like it's very perhaps expensive a eavor to build a wall, 2000-foot wall along the border rough can be very terrain. i would also point out that we
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have attempted to build walls other barriers of a variety of kinds along the u.s. canadian border as well. there was one project actually criticized in 2005 this the time that project that i was talking about ith boeing, that contract was starting to be spoken about. where we was a project had mexico and the u.s. and canada and the u.s. those cameras tended to work ery inconsistently in the outdoors and in rough weather read articlesk to about how these cameras got very very hot and would just, like, shake uncontrollably. so we have actually attempted to
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u.s.-canadian boarder before and run into -- the r before and run into overruns. of cost host: we're talking about the wall.f building a border much of the conversation here in washington is if you're going to 40 billion on a wall, perhaps there should be some offsets in the budget to make up money.at do you have any insight on how that part of it is going to play congress and just where that money is going to come from? right now i feel like we're speculating a little bit gotten we haven't details of what this wall is like.sed to be we've heard wildly different cost estimates during the ampaign and now during the beginning of the presidency. what we wanty that to do is wait until we start to
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hints maybe an rfp from the security.t of homeland i assume that this is going to be paid for through a contract several contracts through the department of homeland security because that's handled in the past. some other idea will come -- do this administration you have a sense of how many jobs will come out of this and the contractors might find the labor to put together a wall such magnitude. host: uest: i would say from our interviews for this story, it sounds like labor is actually -- legal labor is actually fairly short and a little bit hard to ex-tex border now.t
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i think that it's likely that if we were going to build along the border that either they're going be very, very strict to ing procedures in place make sure that all of the labor are from a legal force but it's very difficult, especially when you're dealing they're very cts, hard to track. they're not generally in any of universal form publicly available and online. thatimes even the agencies are awarding the prime contracts, the direct contracts have a lot of insight into the first tier of sub,ntracts and all of the under neither ts
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that. ost: thomas frp texas materials cost of for the wall itself would be you erial as far as what said about transportation of cement. if you're thinking about cement you have a big problem because it would turn mixer.ncrete inside the but there is another way to do that. when they have cement poured in great distance, for example, high-rises, same thing. high-rise building down like the empire state building, lay it on the side. you have no problem. o, therefore, a wall can be constructed by having the supplies put to the areas where as they go from, texas e east corner of
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san he way towards host: thammings for the
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insight. any question for our guest while you're there? caller: sure. where do you think the problem is going to be with building a wall? the problem cost of materials alone just for this wall would be about $3 billion million. the cost for the labor would be about $7 million. host: thank you for calling. does he mean billion? guest: i think that he means billion. thank you very much for that call. yeah, i think assuming that he meant billion, yeah, this will probably run into the multiple billions of dollars. it's not just about building a physical wall. i would say again that we have found from the government's attempts in the past that building a physical call is not really effective on its own. that you have to be cognizant
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of anyone who would go over the wall or under the wall. and i think we have allred stories about tunnels -- all red stories of tunnels into the u.s. and mexico. my colleague has written a lot of really incredible stories about drugs and guns coming into the country through tunnels. we have to be cognizant that this is not just about building a wall that's big, it has to be a wall that also has effective surveillance and a system to catch people that are not just going to walk across on foot. host: we move on in north las vegas, a democratic caller named anthony. go ahead. caller: good morning. c-span, how you doing. thank you for c-span. love your show. my comment is i'm a member of the union. and my union has been directly
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impacted by a work force that's not legal. we have had 1,000 members out of work for basically eight years. and the pickets that we went on lately, and we have talked to -- or tried to talk to the people that are working on the projects, they are all undocumented workers. and they are doing the jobs for maybe 15 bucks an hour, which is way under what they pay in the area. so this wall, in my opinion, as a democrat, i think it's needed. being an electrician, one of the trades that's highly skilled trade, i don't understand how we could be out of work as long as we have been out of work. and the unemployment numbers are not real. because this has happened to our members all over the country. it's really not reflected in the data that comes out because many of our members have lost
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unemployment. they have collected it until it runs out. then you are no longer counted in the work force that's looking for work any moi. -- anymore. we have a lot of members who are starving. when you say that labor is not there, or labor is not available, that is not true. at all. i know a lot of construction workers who are legal citizens who are begging for jobs and they are being priced out of the market by illegal immigrants. that is a fact. host: thanks for calling. danielle, any reaction of the comments by anthony? guest: yeah. thank you very much for calling. i'm so sorry to hear about the situation out there. i mean i think that your point is a good one. issue here is that if you have people who are willing to work for less mon then - less money
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employers are maybe more likely to hire those people so they don't have to pay as much. i would also say that when we were looking at the labor force along the border, we were very specific to that force along the border. we were not looking all over the country for construction workers. that might be available say to move. i could see that that could be part after program. but that's also -- that also costs money as well to move people across the contry. i assume that's something that will be discussed and kept in mind when contracting officers are trying to figure out how to write an effective request for proposal for a project like this. host: you write in your piece as well the companies that specialize in surveillance technology, or even so-called virtual barriers, could also benefit. you speak about one company whose parent company is based in israel, won a contract in 2014 with customs and border
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protection to do some work down there already. can you speak more to this part of it? >> sure. surveillance i think has been a part of the plan, many different kinds of plans, going forward since at least the early 2000s. elbit is an interesting example. it was actually -- it did work on the contracting under boeing as well. and then came in later and sort of took a piece for itself based on surveillance. o the cor boeing as well. sort en came in later and of took a piece for itself based surveillance. it's an interesting example because it's a company that's israel.n the company, its subsidiary that
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ot the contract is a u.s. subsidiary. by hat was considered america -- american contract hat we bought from an american company. so you can see just from looking contracts that precedent has been set that we comfortable are buying from a company -- another kin tri as long as it has -- an american buy. bob. let's hear from >> good morning. as far as building a wall, don't build no wall. what you do is take everything this country that is in spanish and food stamps, public voting, everything in spanish out. language learn our and come in here legally or you get out. there's no need for -- we have and our our ways language to pacify people that
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don't understand nothing. overseas. i had an id card in japanese and english and if i got caught i got court marshalled. >> with regard to the cost and offer set in the cost of this wall, um, we don't offset the ost with the burden, particularly the tax burden, aliens, that's the
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term, that they've broken the invaded aw that have there's -- and way that we can ontinue this burden on our social programs. but our hospitals, our schools, our jobs, people being bounced out of a job or not able to get a job because an illegal it's not their job. i've seen it from the ground up. it's like the union guy that was talking about not being able >> continue watching this conversation online at c-span.org. slick on the series tab and click on "washington journal." we'll take you live to the floor of the house starting a two-day workweek. today working on land exchange bills. tomorrow voting on legislation to overturn the obama administration's regulations on
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