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tv   Washington Journal Representative Michelle Lujan Grisham  CSPAN  February 8, 2017 6:32pm-7:01pm EST

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who,, the refugees. host: i think we got your point. thanks for the call from brownsville, texas. guest: she raises some valid is whether it is at the border or anywhere in this country, we do have human trafficking problems, we do have substance abuse issues. i was say that the wall is a distraction to focusing on two things. one, issues that we need to address on certain areas of the border. we have socioeconomic issues in those border towns that are problematic. el paso. we have many of those issues in brownsville. we went to deal with the drug epidemics and the drug trafficking and the opiates being overprescribed in this country. there are real issues that need
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to be addressed, and i would say, let's focus on those as a body of congress and work better with the executive branch to do the things that will make a difference for americans. host: i know you are working on legislation to provide money for opioid research. -- on tomorrow's "washington journal," we will be spending most of the program talking about the problem of opioid addiction in the country. host: i don't want to broad brush every pharmaceutical company, but these of the facts. they are making more money than ever. ceo salary is jumping to $100 million and opioids, they knew that they were highly addictive. i do not want to minimize that we need good pain management but , some companies have been busy of bribing doctors to overprescribe.
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we are in an environment where they are doing this. they created these problems all over the united states, including in rural america, where you don't have substance abuse treatment programs. you identify a way to deal with pain. you knew we would have trouble. so let's partner. give me a percentage per milligram prescribed. maybe it's .01, but we have got a formula that would produce sufficient resources across the country to go back into these communities. host: how much money? host: well, i think it is like $1 trillion. it is large enough, depending on the number, because it is depend on what is being prescribed. it is sufficient enough without burdening the current federal budget to make sure that states have the resources, unilaterally, to figure out what they are going to do. and if we do not have that, i do not know that we can get ahead of this problem.
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host: a, sam, democratic line. good morning. hello. good morning, you guys. el paso, and i live near the border, maybe about six minutes but we are nice here, , actually nice people. we get along. we have friends in juarez. i have friends and family who shop here. we are top 10 states and cities. my congressperson, i read the book that he wrote. guest: he's a great guy. i should not interrupt, but he is a great guy. caller: he is. we are so proud of him. but my point is that you can't deny that there are racial overtones here. and so maybe that's what really needs to be addressed? and also, people who say that , mexicans come over here and get benefits. this is not true. i mean i'm self-employed.
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, i do not qualify for medicaid and i was born in austin. so there may be grants. there may be, you know other , social programs. not-for-profit. but when people say that mexicans come over here and take taxpayer money, it's just not true. in fact they pay taxes here when , they come over to shop. so i don't know. i think having a porous border is healthier than having a wall. and i totally agree with you and thank you for your words. guest: i really appreciate those points. let me quickly restate them. i think there have been plenty of falsehoods. we are back to alternative facts, where we just say that migrant or immigrant populations, particularly the folks coming across from mexico or the border with mexico whether they are from nicaragua, ,honduras, or guatemala, wherever that they
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, are this huge burden on public benefits, but the truth is they are barred from most public benefits. and in fact, people that are , here legally have a five-year bar, even though they are here illegally and paying taxes invested in the same system that , we are, they are barred from medicaid. so it is absolutely not true and they are paying taxes and social security where they can and if they can't, they have an -- they are paying gross receipts taxes, so they have an economic value here. one thing that never gets discussed is that immigration population, and, particularly hispanic families are shoring , this country up, quite frankly, informal, familiar caregiving. a long-term care system that nobody talks about that. host: the caller also talked about the racial overtones that the debate can take on. that she has seen. guest: that it is taking on. the xenophobia and racial
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overtones are very clear. we don't want you. we are a problem. whoan, we had sean spicer said we do not have any candidates in the cabinet, because we are meeting with the best and the brightest. we do not have any hispanics here. really? what is he talking about? what about sonia sotomayor? there are incredible latinos and hispanics, and i do not know if they want to serve in the cabinet, but to make a national statement that perhaps they aren't of the most talented in this country? this is all about racial tones. host: what is the congressional hispanic caucus doing about that? guest: that there are real -- we're making sure that people know that there are real advocates and we are reaching out to our partners in a way that we have never done before. because i will tell you, community engagement has got to be is currently, , part of those solutions. that we get the facts out.
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that we are talking meaningfully to our constituents, and we are going beyond our own districts and into the state and immunity, and we are listening to the fears that americans have and are working to address them, because we think that's powerful. host: al, missouri, republican line. good morning. go ahead. you are on with the congresswoman. caller: my comment is the fact that you need to ask the people who have been victimized by illegals and the families they have lost from illegals and people who have lost their jobs due to illegals. a lot of them have lost their jobs. even in central missouri. that's all i have to say. guest: i appreciate our caller. i think his name was al. but, listen. from a state that has -- i think maybe alaska is beating us and if that changes -- a race to the bottom is no good to keep track of. but highest unemployment, the
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only state in the nation with a losing population. these are real issues about making sure that we have economic security for americans. -- wednesday -- -- when they when you don't have economic security we play into the fears of people. not saying a not justifying that these are real issues about who has jobs and who doesn't. if we were addressing the economic security of americans, we would not be in a debate about immigration, and, in fact, if we did comprehensive immigration reform i can tell you there would be more money, and i can tell you that there are plenty of businesses that are really struggling in this country, because we have lost the ability to provide vocational and alternative career training for so many americans. so you don't have anybody who does trades anymore. host: the $2500 extra per person, is that in tax revenue? guest: it's an economy that
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virtue of allowing people to come back to work. host: frank, good morning. good morning. i what to ask you a question, and i will answer it. why am i an independent? basically, basically the , democrats want to bring in immigrants, ok? they are voters. the republicans want to pay them little. the republicans want a minimum wage law to keep it low. and, basically, what they are doing is the democratic and are betrayingties us, ok? that there should be a new party, ok? we are being messed up by these people. the other thing i have to comment on, why did the border patrol agents sue for not
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letting them do? host: i think we lost them at the end. guest: i think he said there was a lawsuit. again, whether the leadership in washington is making a difference for the folks on the front line and at the border, i'm not going to argue that any federal administration, whether it is this one or the obama administration is paying , attention the right way. running a bureaucracy is a difficult effort. i get furious with the cabinet secretary. i was working for 17 years and no full well how difficult it is to run a large government bureaucracy, and i think that the folks at the front lines should get the tools and the resources in the way that they need them. when i talk to them they , weren't getting them in the way that they need them. they felt like they were being overburdened by directives that don't make any sense. i disagree that the democrats
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are interested in bringing over other populations, trying to natural allies them, so they turn into a voting block. in fact it plays into these , racial overtones and these ethnic issues where all hispanics or minorities are democrats. well, my family, in fact, my seat was held i think for the term by a gentleman who is my cousin through a whole different hispanic family, all republican. my great-grandfather, republican. term so that is ridiculous. host: you disagree with the caller with what he says, the -- that republicans just want to exploit immigrants for cheap labor? guest: i think that's unfair as well. do i think there are bad actors misstating and misrepresenting, absolutely, and we should not tolerate that from either side. and do i think that the partisan have gotten wrong their statements and their priorities? more often than i would like, for sure.
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but i think that those are mischaracterizations on the fringe that do not represent it. this is about human dignity, respect. we have 11 million people here now. we need comprehensive immigration reform. and it is the fact that because we are making it racial, because we are making it ethnic, we are not talking about all of the high-tech companies, universities, and businesses that have employees with scientists and technicians from all over the world which these immigration fights, the thathobia, that band, muslim ban creates real issues with getting visas for folks to participate in our economy, our research, our quality of life. it makes no sense. that is how we were founded. that's what makes us such an incredible country, with the kind of innovation that most countries only dream about. host: about 10 minutes left.
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with the congresswoman from the first district of new mexico. sean is waiting period sean, good morning. go ahead. how are you this morning? i agree with having a very secure border. because a secure border makes is a safer nation and i think that most americans would agree with that. and also with all due respect to , the representative, i do not think there are racial overtones to this. you know i'm of irish descent. ,and my family came over here legally. i have no problems with immigrants coming over, but it has to be over. they are violating the law. and once you violate the law, there are consequences because we are citizens. and there is no consequences for illegals? that is totally ridiculous, and i would like to hear the representative's answer to that.
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guest: i appreciate the caller saying that we have -- i appreciate the caller and wethay have a difference of opinion again, i disagree, there are absolutely racial overtones. the problem that i have with what your statement is, i agree, we want secure borders, we don't want to create an environment where we just say look, we ,are encouraging you to illegally cross the border and assert yourself into this country, into the fabric of our society without , having a plan for that. but because we won't deal with immigration productively we , aren't dealing with folks who can apply for visas. we are dealing with refugee and asylum issues, and the reality is that there are people who are fleeing and in fact there are real consequences. we deport you. we arrest you. we detain you. we separate families. there have been several reports by the families that include small children that we deported back to central america that were murdered. upon their return. because they were being
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solicited and recruited by the cartels. i beseech any american, any parent, who wouldn't do whatever it takes to protect your child from human trafficking, from a drug cartel, from violence, and country,vation in your secure your borders, figure out what to do that we do not have remindlux, and just to our viewers, we have not stopped that in flux. we have partnerships with these countries that are meaningful because of their economic situation increases, and when that happens, our economic situation and security increases. secure the border. we are clear about that. but if we need immigration reform is our caller referenced come many of those things get addressed so that people are doing it the right way, at the front end.
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a topic that has, across several times today, and there is a bill moving to the texas legislature to man sanctuary cities. if donald trump follows through on his promise to bar federal funding for sanctuary cities, what would that mean for you, and how would you react? are sanctuary cities, like santa fe, in new mexico. guest: and universities that will deem themselves as sanctuary universities. my position today as i would support the city of santa fe and other areas in the state. i would not suggest that we be a sanctuary states per , se, but the reality is that when you take the federal funds and you invest them in a way that's productive so that people are, in fact, safe, and you know there are undocumented individuals who help you to report crimes, neighborhoods, who give you economic issues,
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somehow recruit undocumented employees so they can pay them under the table, and they have to be addressed if you want a productive environment or if you want that kind of citizenry or residents in your community, if you will, so i would stand with the city of santa fe. to prohibit the use of federal funds -- i will give you an example. when i was the secretary of health, the bush administration was stopped using federal tenetfor specific pregnancy, and we had the highest teen pregnancy rate. i did not want to say no to federal funds, but i unilaterally worked with the bush administration to get them to recognize that if i get to the end goal, you want safe cities, stop worrying about whether or not i'm a sanctuary city. worry about whether or not i can get to your outcome, because you can figure out a way to do that
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better. to keep ourlly like funds but to make the case that we are doing it right in our neck of the woods. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] 10:00cer: saturday at a.m. eastern, justice thurgood marshall, examining his legacy and opinions on landmark cases. >> he did more justice for more people than any other lawyer did, and to feel as though you , somehow you had one this lottery, so you got to spend this year with this incredible man was a very, very special thing. announcer: then at 8:00 p.m. on lectures from history, a professor talks about freedom summer, a 1964 black voter registration project in mississippi. >> in 1963, the voter
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