tv New FCC Chair Ajit Pai Testifies on Capitol Hill CSPAN March 12, 2017 1:28am-5:15am EDT
>> coming up next, a hearing on operations of the federal communications committee. now, nancy pelosi and house speaker paul ryan discussed the health care law and other legislative items at their weekly meetings. later, vice president pence talks the kentucky residents about the republican health care replacement plan. this past week, federal communications commission's chair pai joins clyburn and o'rielly for an oversight committee. it included net neutrality, spectrum policy and wireless broadband access. this was mr. pai's first appearance on capitol hill since becoming head of the fcc. this is just under three hours.
mr. thune: good morning. welcome to today's hearing on oversight of the fcc. i should point out since this committee has jurisdiction over sports. last night, the south dakota state university jackrabbits plunged their ticket to the tournament by winning the summer league tournament. i am getting gaveled down by someone. [laughter] last time we met, a lot exchanged since then with the new fcc chairman with several members of this committee. this is the first sec oversight hearing is that i hope to see changes how the commission operates. i urge them to treat each other fairly, to be willing to ask congress for guidance whenever possible. while still in the early days, they seem to heed the advice that actions under chairman pai to improve the of process of transparency. and those that seem to amass power the chairman office that they could instead empower the public and other commissioners. chairman pai says purging the divide to guide under his leadership to represent a rural state where many people are
last time we met a lot exchanged since then with the new fcc chairman with several members of this committee this is the first sec oversight hearing is that i hope to see changes how the commission operates i urge them to treat each other fairly to be willing to ask congress for guidance whenever possible. while still in the early days they seem to heed the advice that actions under chairman pai to improve the of process of transparency. and those that seem to amass power the chairman office that they could instead empower the public and other commissioners. chairmanpai says purging the divide to guide under his cedar ship to represent a rural state where many
people are without broadband service already taking huge steps for deployment moving along with the mobility fund and the connect america fund. the commission could move forward so quickly even during the time of agency transition debates the question why they were not completed sooner. is refreshing to see that take that action and to move forward with to broadcasting items to help television better serve the american public recognize that everything the commission will do will be as non-partisan or well received as this is chairman pai first open meeting agenda. unrecognizable monday easy task to rectify this biggest missteps from the last few years referring to uh uh and
subsequent broadband privacy order other actions may need to be revisited and then to be reset to of both items will glad to see those that are set to go into effect last week is suspect everyone knows i feel strongly that the best way to provide long-term protection for the internet is congress to pass bipartisan legislation but we don't have agreement on that so there's no reason for the fcc to hold off to rebalance the regulatory posture under current statutes. something tells me what will be dedicated to the topic issued not distract from other rules as will the fcc is in the final stages of the broadcast tv incentive option 84 mhz have been
reallocated for billions of dollars dedicated for deficit-reduction well that auction process is done the work is far from complete we will start the process as knows small undertaking care urged the commission to rethink its power to ensure the transition is successful. robocall is another problem to be a trust -- addressed the government must do everything we can to protect consumers from those who are the bad actors which is one reason why this committee works anti-spoofing legislation but to be sure they are not punishing legitimate callers who were not acting maliciously that would give a much needed jobs start to that conversation and i will note and with my colleagues will
be busy with the nominations he is now in his also for your his been renominated there are two vacancies right now live in the current term expires at the end of june was the president makes a is nomination and they will move swiftly and the most important thing is we will not allow the fcc to fall below a functioning quorum line no no responsible person who would deprive the agency to protect the consumers and marketplace that it would be a priority of mine. the recognize the ranking member for his statement. >> by welcome the three members of the fcc including the new chairman with his first appearance the president has been nominated
him to give him primary responsibility over what this senator believes is one of the most important consumer protection agencies of the federal government. the last 80 years the sec has the consumers back for ultimately the senator the success or failure of the commission last on the fulfillment of a wish list but on how those who are least able to protect themselves have been treated and first amendment rights including those of journalists are vigorously protected. since assuming the chairmanship in the last few weeks, the fcc of your
leadership has acted to prevent millions of broadband subscribers from receiving key information rates and terms and conditions so those subscribers will have less protections of their data of the duties that they owed to protect that web browsing history to pay subscribers in that would arouse people pretty quickly start stealing their personal data. into a threat and the expansion of broadband into the homes of low-income americans by limiting the
effectiveness of a new lifeline program reforms. and in the last few weeks formally rescinded the fcc staff report detailing the implementation of the agency's comprehensive effort that sent shockwaves through schools and libraries across the country which are worried that you try to up bent this highly functioning and bipartisan program. these are actions that directly impact the lives of millions of americans faugh i hope they are not signs of things to come because at the end of the day p. fcc
i would share your high-level of interest that we would receive those nominations soon and weekend process very quickly. i do want to recognize the commissioners in front of us today the agency has a lot of work ahead of us and we hope you focus on steering the commission and the right direction but you're hearing allows us to move quickly and this is good to have you here. we will start with you mr. chairman. >> did you get that? if you perform well.
no pressure. thank you for holding this hearing today they give for the confidence you have shown in me before discussing the matters level by to offer a personal note i grew up in the great state of kansas just a few months ago that was painful to learn of the cold blooded murder i cannot fathom and as it stands those of us the indian descent but i do want to say that my thoughts and
prayers are with the family and tanks to have for risking his life into the perpetrator the exception that proves the rule for respect in the sunflower state. returning to the focus of today's hearing our right to discuss more piraeus protecting consumers and reforming the fcc. high-speed internet access is critical to economic opportunity. by more efficiently targeting by revising regulations and by creating
deployment fit in the first six weeks of may chairmanship we have already taken action on a bipartisan basis to expand for glt across the country and also to serve to americans we have a limited outdated rules with the necessary paperwork to establish for the first time of broadband appointment to develop for those localities to are interested. another priority shows a regulatory environment. but too often they're unable
to bring them to market for regulatory under shah. going for remind them to facilitate and last month going to the television broadcasters to adopt that on a voluntary and market driven basis basic begin advance of innovation and spectrum sharing also getting the benefits and their the core mission is to serve the broader public interest and for instance all americans are united but with the fcc year end and year out every year americans receive approximately 2.4 billion
robocall. this month the commission will vote on my proposal to block robocall there's no reason why any legitimate caller should answer a number if it cannot come from the identifying phone-number. last friday we granted emergency waiver to jewish community centers to identify those who are responsible i hope that this measure helps to bring the upper traitor to justice. and in working to make it more transparent. and then tell after the commission voted but every day americans are in the dark last month and made
public of the agenda dana's went so well i could address that fact sheet that is just one of the of many ways to working with my colleagues members of the committee thinking again for holding this committee and i look forward to continue to work with you in the time to come. >> chairman and ranking member and members of the committee, good morning it is a daughter once again to share my prairies to put consumers first. as a commissioner i have been an advocate that far too often in their voices go unheard.
including families and with the incarcerated loved ones also with broadband access those that live below about property line or benefit from the tel health services. in an affordable connected to the with reliable service in the open internet for all including several of those issues. talk about the open internet in a broadband world back when we write the talk about universal service dollars according to one provider in a remote area you cannot rely solely of competition
to protect consumers. the sec has continued in his present role in bisbee ecosystem. and if there was a billing dispute for pour service or billing concerns? this is why i strongly supported the commission opened unit order and continue to believe it provides the best legal framework to protect consumers and entrepreneurs and with the ftc privacy framework to empower consumers to make informed choices to give broad band providers the flexibility in
a manner for those that works with the company to do everything that i can to respect privacy and the broadband world. with open internet and privacy in continues to be the greatest form of injustice i have seen in my 18 years as the regulator. follow wife pays as much as $24 by a fog of leadership to ensure that it is not paid again and again and more broadly to be on
infrastructure and access universal service mandate as four different programs that these are enabling broadband appointment and health care to bring connectivity and attacking the affordability factor. we cannot keep out any lake and expected continued to steam and to have access on our program also to be courageous of the system that is increasingly the heavy burden on senior citizens who grenoble under afford long-term deployment. i believe the conversation
must dart by asking how we move for those seeking to fulfill the dream and to this end the support reinstating a certificate program and to start a pilot incubator program to disadvantaged businesses and finally to focus on enhancing consumer protection over 172,000 subscribers only one-third said they were very or completely satisfied with television or telephone service as the agency responsible oversee the communications sector this is highly alarming we can
and must do more. this includes streamlining broadband infrastructure telephone elf and telemedicine and access to 911 service. into use in greater detail thinking for the opportunity to be before you today in ellen ford to answering any questions you may have. >> thank-you commissioner for the opportunity to appear before this distinguished body for the work occurring at the sec. like to raise a handful of issues to retention about last november election with a change of leadership within new spirit of cooperation to have that
immediate focus and in approximately five short weeks to improve the efficiency and transparency and accountability of the commission to public leasing documents that is shared with the commissioners with that provided the outside party is with information that has been necessary and important i have a number of ideas including changes to the delegated authority process and data collection. on another topic that a core function is the integrity is not sufficiently achieved. to dave the squatters are infecting the radio band
including emergency communications and financial status -- financial stability. it will take sufficient enforcement and diligent as well as the statutory authority dedicated to address higher radio. it is a high priority for me to insure broad band access is available to all americans. we will reply and -- standing in the way of greater access ranging from the difficult permit and approval process with an effort to establish a government network with the favorable land tax process. with the benefit of
broadband appointment that there are bad actors to require pre-emptive mesh in the census by the commission will share with you a handful of my conversations suggest increasing concern of international government seeking a greater role of government oversight of believe the possible expansion is one of the greatest threats of long-term stability of the internet. >> we have a lot of members here today to be as close as possible to the five men rule -- five minute rule.
serving during clinton's term they your off to a good start. meeting with them individually and reacting very positive the office of personnel management is an index based on the employee's satisfaction that will recommend their organization as a good place to work. . . .... .... >> yes, mr. chairman, because i am the chairman and because i
spent years as a former career staff were the agency i take this issue extremely seriously and i am committed to doing whatever we can to provide appear atmosphere of respect among the personal staff. >> commissioner cylburn, it has been suggested that you may have the ability to deny the fcc a quorum by leaving before your term expires at the end of june or refusing to attend open meetings. will you commit to serving ourout full term and doing wrour part as a senate confirmed member? >> mr. chairman, what you read has never been suggested or hinted by me. i have no plans to do anything that would jeopardize the functionality of this institution i love so much. >> thank you. chairman pai, as part of the reform in 2011, the fcc established a minimum price telephone companies must charge
customers for local telephone companies or risk loosing universal support. this is what is known as the rate floor. relief was granted in 2014 but the rate floor continues to increase every year and there is little effort to assess the impact the increases have having oncon surms and service provider ins rural america. do you have concerns about ever increasing rate floor and do you expect the commission to examine? >> thank you. i have significant concerns on the rate floor and talked about it years ago. it is odd rule carriers were forced to raise the telephone rates that rural consumers who have less median income would have to pay to get telephone service. that is something i am committed to working with our bureau, staff and happy to work with you and your staff as well to get it right. >> as you know, there has been a lot of discussion about the fcc's broadband privacy order
and what were to happen if it suddenly went away. would consumers be left unprotected or would the fcc be obligated to police the acts? >> the carriers still have obligati obligations in addition to federal data and breach notification. >> commissioner o'rielly, you said you were comfortable with the fcc pushing communities to allow timely institution of 5g. what tools are available to help with that? >> we have talked about the good actors and the steps they have taken. there is model codes and a number of positive things. but i believe we have to preempt bad actor communities that are preventing broadband from being expanded throughout our nation.
>> i think that is good for me now. >> i will let my guys go first and i will do clean up. i want to make sure you all understand that e-rate, which was setup and it was supposed to be looked at in 2018, it is so essential broadband to our schools and libraries and i would expect the fcc not to make any major changes on this vital program and i would ask you to evaluate it.
>> thank you mr. chairman. congratulations chairman pai. many of us were disappointed by the pulling of jessica last week. the senate should have confirmed her term last year and i am counting on everyone to honor the commitment i would like to get back to the tradition of jessica and chairman pai can move through the senate floor quickly. this is a question for all the commissioners. congratulations to all of you for overseeing a successful incentive auction. the first one of its kind. we all want the faster internet and better cov rnl -- coverage from the auction but i have concerns about local broadcasters loosing channels. the three of you said if the stations can't repack in the 39 month time frame they would not be forced off the air. yes or no question.
would all of you support legislative efforts to make sure that doesn't happen? >> i would support any effort of ensuring our goal. >> senator, i agree with commissioner cylburn. >> depending on how it it read, i would agree. >> thank you. chairman pai, is the fcc going to review the at&t and time warner merger? >> as i understand how the parties structured the transaction, there is no license transferred from one party to the other which is a jurisdictional hook for us to apply what is known as the public interest standard. so far as that remains the case, my belief is the fcc would not have the legal authority to review the transaction. >> have you asked the fcc staff to conduct an independent analysis to confirm the fcc has no role? >> i have not at the current time. >> would you be willing to do so and share with the committee?
>> i would be happy to do so. >> a question about net neutrality and the context of this merger. if you move forward with the repeal of the open internet order and we fail to pass legislation and the comcast merger has net neutrality requirement conditions in it how do we ensure a level playing field with the at&t merger not having conditions in rural or as a condition of the approval of the merger and one of its major competitors will be bound by that original requirement? >> senator, there are a number of hypotheticals i need to sort out but the basic answer is that we want to act within our authority, of course, to protect the public interest and in the context of a transaction that depends on whether or not the transfer of license in the public interest. with respect to the past, it
involves the enforcements agreed upon by prior commissions. there are other factors that go into the analysis. i cann i cannot you a simple answer. >> there would be two giants. one having to abide by net neutrality and one that doesn't. >> correct. >> chairman pai, i wanted to follow up with a private conversation we have had regarding the commission itself. that is something i have talked to all three of you about. in one of your previous oversight hearings you criticized the previous chairman for the large number of party-line votes under his tenure and said it wasn't always this way. it was understood no political party had a monopoly on wisdom and we recognize communication issues are not necessarily partisan. but the first two issues you tackled it has been 2-1. i understand you have a different perspective and you are in the business of implementing your point of view
but what assurance can you give the committee, the community, the commission itself, the staff and the democratic commissioner of your commitment to try to get to 5-0 votes whenever possible? >> thank you for the question. very much appreciate your perspective. the top priorities i listed in my testimony in my comments to the career staff on my second day in office was i wanted to close the digital divide. two of the topics that have been sitting on the shelve for a while involves the mobility fund regarding wireless service to parts of the country that don't have it and the connect america fund. in my explicit directions to my staff and bureau were to work with commissioner cylburn, hear her out and try to accommodate her concerns. i would like to think the end product we validated would be relevant.
she said i understand we want to push the items out once up for consideration what about a one-page fact sheet to make it easier and i said that is right and implemented that immediately. that is the spirit i want to carry with me throughout the chairman ship to the best of my ability. >> chairman wicker? >> thank you. chairman pai, let's talk about bringing broadband to economically challenged areas. this is something commissioner cylburn emphasized in her prepared testimony. you were successful in moving forward two major universal fund items including phase two of the mobility fund. these will help bring broadband to rural and hard to reach areas. you have four major initiatives in this regard i understand. tell us about your plan there
are areas of income falling below 75% of the national median and requiring states and localities to have deployment-friendly policies? i think you used that term in your testimony also. tell about tax incentives and zones that you might designate for the u.s. of tax credits -- use. >> thank you. i outlined in accepted what i hoped would be a -- september -- would be a bipartisan agreement. one of the key proposals was my proposal for congress to give us the authority to set-up what i have called giga bit opportunities with the idea you would get a geographic area as small as a city block or as
large as a rural county in which the median income of citizens was 75% or less than the national average income. the idea would be to provide tax incentives to providers to build out in those areas. part of that would be a requirement of states and localities adopt broadband friendly policies in terms of access of right away and pole attachment and the like. and making sure entrepreneurs can take advantage of the networks, my idea was to provide relief for the employer side of the pay roll taxes for companies that want to setup businesses in those areas. people who live in the area and want to create jobs have a greater incentive to do so. it was drawn from jack kemp from the urban housing development. my idea was develop his idea of enterprise zone and give people
in poverty greater chance to achieve prosperity in the digital era. >> this is going to require legislation? >> that is correct, sir. >> do commissioner cylburn, what do you think about such legislation? >> if insulation -- if such legislation allows us to do what we do best and recognizes that affordability is a factor when it comes to adoption of services. we look at the principles and tools in the arsenal and i think it would be a good series of steps forward in terms of bridging those gaps that currently exist. but affordability has to be a part of the conversation. >> chairman pai, commission cylburn says there is an affordability gap. do you agree with this? what would you do about it? >> i do agree and part of the reason i expect concerns to chairman thune about the rate floor because that increases the rates rural customers have to pay.
i think we need to do more to ensure consumers have competition and affordable access to the internet and i am committed to working with you and her on it. >> it seems to me that reversing the net neutrality rule with regard to free data and zero rating has turned out to be pro-consumer in that not long after you terminated the investigation into these practices we saw a series of pro-consumer unlimited data offerings come into the market. do you think that new flood of opportunities came as a direct result of your action in this regard? >> senator, i don't know if it was a direct result but i think it simply confirmed with the
approach which is to recognize it is a highly competitive marketplace and wireless carriers have a strong incentive to compete for the consumer attention and all four wireless carriers are offering new or expanded unlimited data plans and that is great for consumers. >> you like tat? >> correct, sir. >> thank you. senator booker. >> thank you very much, chairman. just on the point being made, and before my questioning, i want to reaffirm i am have a firm unwavering commitment to the ideals of net neutrality and the 2015 fcc net neutrality rules that were put into place which are now the law of the land and upheld in court and a lot of doom and gloom was predicted if this was to happen. but clearly the sky has not fallen, businesses frankly are continuing to innovate in this space. we are seeing a lot of very positive results. i am really hoping that there is
a commitment to net neutrality here, not just in the committee, but also amongst the commissioners. obviously we will have time to talk about that. i want to jump into the really another area of bipartisan encouragement is just this idea to broadband access which is so important when it comes to creating a robust access to education, to telehealth, you name it. this to me is something of great urgency. as most people know, i have a big concern about the way the criminal justice system is operating that is profoundly become a tool to create d disparities in the country. they are stunning. there is no difference between blacks and whites in america for using or selling drugs but african-american americans are 3.7 times more likely to be
arrested for non-violent drug crimes. as a result, you have situations like my state where african-americans are 14% of the population but over 60% of the prison population. our prisons are full of people color and poor people in general. disproportionally people with mental health challenges, victims of sexual abuse, and i am just fiercely committed to the idea of trying to make our society fairer for all americans. equal justice under the law. and also to empower people who are affected by the prison population by our mass incarceration problem in america so when they are paying their debt to society they can come out and be successful. when people are in prison, and the federal wardens talk about the robust importance of family ties.
we have 2.7 million children who right now are separated from an incarcerated parent. they are facing challenges on growing up as well and those links and connections are vital for the children, for those families, and for the rehabilitation of the person who is incarcerated. so this issue of affordable access to calls isn't just about a guy in prison making a call but goes to a core priority we have to drive down recidivism rates and support families. video visitation is on the rise which is again something i talked to numerous wardens and people in the bureau of prisons that think this is strong. commissioner cylburn, can you let me know if the fcc loses the case in court what are the potential consequences for the
issues i am passionate about? >> i have only one word: it would be devastating. it would set us back in the efforts we have attempted to do in terms of closing that gap to keeping families together, to ensure that more than 39% of the population impacted they can keep in touch. the number hovers around 38-39 percent of people keeping in touch because they cannot afford to. where it is affordable, the conversations have spiked. we have seen families -- there are 700,000 inmates that are released back into the society every year. if the majority of them go home as strangers because they didn't have to opportunity to speak, 75% of them are back in in a year. this is a family problem and
providing just, reasonable and fair rates to families pays d e divdands for all of us. >> i said when the fcc keyed up the proceeding it took too long. the petitioner shouldn't have had to wait a decade for the fcc to finally heed their call. i suggested i think the marketplace is broken. this isn't like the wireless marketplace we discussed with senator wicker. the commission has the authority to adopt rate caps, i agree the commission has the right to regulate this. the d.c. circuit highlighted the stays of the orders the fcc has had and we are working through
those. my commitment to you, regardless of case, we want to make sure the fcc does everything within its legal authority to fix this problem and we will be happy to work with you on this. >> thank you, senator booker. senator fischer. >> thank you, chairman. and thank you to the members on the panel you did on the rate of return orders. i have heard from companies who opted into the cost model and were pleased with the ult are -- the results. i continue to hear concerns from nebraska carriers that they are not permitted to get universal support if they provide stand alone broadband service or they must charge their customers hundreds of dollars a month to recover their cost for stand alone broadband. mr. chairman, do you have thoughts on ways we can solve this problem so that rural customers have the option to buy
affordable, stand alone service. >> thank you. i have seen the process in di dillard, nebraska. this is why two years ago i put on the table a simple, public one-page plan to allow rural carriers to offer stand alone broadband service. my concern last year was that for carriers to calculate how much support they would get for stand alone service they have to jump through 11 different hoops. they are technical and complicated and at the end of the day they don't yield enough funding to make stand alone service a viable proposition to offer. my commitment to working with you and others on this topic we make the regulatory system more streamline and efficient. >> thank you. commissioner o'rielly?
>> i will defensive because i spent a lot of time working on rate of return. >> and you have been to nebraska. >> i have many times. i appreciate being simplified. when we talked with the carriers they preferred a model that wasn't as simplified. we had a chance to go one direction and they preferred another model we were able to come to agreement about. your point is well taken in terms of is it available. that is in the hands of the carriers themselves. i know in meeting not with your state but other states, it doesn't matter if you pass this or the changes i will never split off the offering of voice product from stand alone broadband because i am making too much money off that. >> i have carriers who want to offer the stand alone broadband service and not be penalized for it. >> right. they are provided the subsidies under the mechanisms we design so they are not penalized for offering that product compared
to a bundled product today. >> as long as we can make sure that cust murs, the --mers, -- consumers have that available without costing hundreds a month. >> right. we had to find the right prois point. it was an agreement we came with all the carriers and found what we found was a happy place. >> okay. chairman pai, also you mentioned streamlining. i appreciate your willingness to streamline regulations and processes so that we can encourage that innovation. last week we had a full committee hearing on infrastructure deployment and i asked surely bloomfield about the broadband funds maintained by the fcc and whether it is necessary to maintain the number of programs that are out there. not just under you folks but also department of commerce,
department of agriculture, there is a lot of funding that is available. what i am hoping to do is look at encouraging broadband deployment but we should not have to duplicate efforts. do you think we can streamline programs out there, whether with the fcc or other agencies, so we can avoid the duplication of that funding and make sure we can have existing networks that are needed but not overbilled? >> thank you for the question. i don't tell congress how it should structure these programs but i think it would be helpful to unify or streamline them to some extent. i recall doing a town hall in parson, kansas. they said we have credit but are
not taking it because the fcc said there is going to be restrictions on how we spend it and the like. if we had a unified system that gave greater clarity to the recipie recipients it could be better for everybody at the end of the day so i hope congress takes it up. >> thank you, senator fischer. senator udall. >> thank you, chairman thune and congratulations chairman pai on becoming chairman. >> thank you, senator. >> while we may disagree on issues like net neutrality i think we have a shared goal of extending communication access to all americans. that must include native americans who face a terrible digital divide on tribal land and i know commissioner cylburn has seen that first hand in my state. i want to ask you about the president's open hostility
toward media outlets and that many of those outlets have business before the fcc and how you intend to lead the fcc in this climate. this could affect matters before your agency. the first amendment issues you have been very out spoken on could be affected as well. your official fcc bioography states you have been an outspoken defender of first amendment freedom, and describes your advocacy that scrapped a study on entry bearers in the marketplace and you wrote i quote the government has no place pressuring media organizations into covering certain stories end quote. in response to a media question last year about quote there is a role for the fcc to play in keeping the political elite in trying to suppress trump supporters you replied i think
one aspect is the fcc using the bully pulpit it has to continue advocating for free speech and you added quote i hope whoever the president is americans would return to the respect for robust debate and that is something becoming increasingly rare end quote. today, president trump is using bully tactics to try to intimidate the media. he has declared certain media outlets and i quote he called media outlets the enemy of the american people. his press secretary, sean spicer, took the unusual steps of barring some journalists from attending his daily press briefings. many news organizations have business dealings with the fcc from regulatory matters to potential merger reviews. i would like to ask you a couple questions i think can be
answered with a simple yes or no. do you agree with president trump that the media is the enemy of the american people? >> senator, i don't want to wade into larger political debates but i will reaffirm the quotes you offered from last year and the year before. >> you refuse to answer the media being the enemy of the american people? >> i believe every american enjoys the first amendment protections guaranteed by the constitution. >> when you met with president trump in the oval office and at trump tower did you discuss any issues related to the media? >> senator, i will leave the details of those conversations to the white house to determine. i am not at liberty to say. >> did you discuss any specific companies that interact with the fcc? >> again, senator, i can't comment on the conversations i have had with the president. >> will the fcc operate independently of the white house? >> absolutely, sir. >> will you resist any attempt
by the white house to use the fcc to intimidate news organizations? >> senator, i have said consistently, including last week in an international forum to the regulates and companies of the world, we are an independent agency and any matter placed before we i will take a sober look at the facts, render a decision based on the law and precedent that apply to those facts and make a determination on what my colleagues and i thing is best. >> steve bannon said quote, the media should be embarrassed and hew mileated and keep its mouth shut? do you agree? >> i will not wage in the political debates. >> would you as the fcc commissioner make a comment like nat? >> senator, i certainly have not
made comments like that. i have at home when i discharge my personal responsibilities but i have not said things like that. >> "the wall street journal" recently reported that the president's son in law, jarred cushner, raised concern with a time warner executive about cnn's coverage of president trump. the article notes that time warner owns cnn and has a merger pending potential anti-trust review. so, have you had any discussions with or contacts with anyone in the trump administration about cnn or any other news organizations? >> senator, no i have not had had any conversations with him or anyone else in the white house about that transaction. >> will you immediately report to this committee if anyone from the white house contacts you, or your staff, about taking any favorable or negative action regarding any media or communications business? >> senator, i will commit to
following all the appropriate protocols and ethical requirements that apply to that sort of conversation. >> thank you very much. >> senatoradol -- senator udall, thank you. senator moran. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate the relationships we have had with you and your staff and the open and receptive way we work together. chairman pai, thank you for your opening moments of your presentation and appreciate the heart felt nature and something we highly deploy. my first visit returning to d.c. was to the embassy of india to express concern we had with families and those coming from
india and expressing the belief that kansans are opening people. couple quick questions i would like to raise. i know the topic of repack was raised. i guess he solicited and received your commitment to work with him and i assume that includes the rest of us on the committee should a repack alt alteration be necessary. let me ask a couple more specific questions. did you believe the commission adequately assessed the size and scope of the repack when the commission first formulated its transition plan? >> thank you. i did have concerns about the agency's course but obviously a lot of decisions have been made
so our goal is to work and ensure a smooth transition and leading up to the end of the auction putting out a schedule of public notice that outlines steps, working with broadcasters to get cost estimates back and stay tuned is the best answer i can give you. >> when will you know if money set a side is sufficient? >> we anticipate three months after the close of the auction we will get costs from the broadcasters and then we will be able to take stock and figure out the estimate. if that is within the 1.7 billion congress allocated we will take the appropriate action. >> when will you know if the 39 month time period established by your predecessor is sufficient? >> that will depend on when the auction closes and petitions for reconsideration that are pending that raise questions about that.
we are going to go with the facts take us and are not sure what the timeframe is. >> switching topics. the mobility phase fund two. congratulations on getting an order adopted for that fund. i am pleased to see we are moving forward. i understand that the order recognizes there is a need for a robust challenge process. i agree. we have had this conversation several times before about coverage maps and the challenges are fallacy. can you explain how an auction or challenge process would operate? >> thanks for the question. first and foremost congratulations to the colleagues who are working to put something on the table that will benefit the american people. this was inspired by a drive
from wichita to des moines and i was struck where the fcc suggested we had coverage but didn't. we want this challenge to be robust and gives the american people and the fcc accurate information about where consumers are covered and where they are not. that is one of the issues in the document we put out was to figure out the best way to ensure that data is accurate. if the map is accurate, great. but if not, we want to act on the basis of firm and accurate data. >> let me ask commissioner cylburn and commissioner o'rielly if they have comments they would like to make in regard to either question answered by chairman pai. >> as you know, i have been pushing for the next phase of the mobility fund for some time. i am happy to see its conclusion. when it comes to the to the challenge, i am very passionate about that and make sure those challenging are not
disadvantaged and have a means of affordable and open and transparent manner. being able to say this is not the case. i am very proud of this, very open and interactive process and look forward to continuing to work with the parties to make sure we have accuracy and a process that will enable us to meet our goals. >> thank you. >> i agree with my colleagues. i have pushed for improvement of the challenge process knowing we need to improve your mapping. back to your questions on the repack and pieces to those, i said i would be the first one to come to congress if additional funding was necessary and in terms of the timing as well. i think it is little premature. i think we are still months away. >> thank you all three. i am pleased to see we are having a conversation by three commissioners not the normal dialogue between two. so it is good to have these
witnesses. i have been in a room with senator thune and recognize i never ask a question so i wanted to make shu you had the opportunity. >> senator's time is expired. [laughter] >> senator peters. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you to each of the commissioners for your public service and appreciate having you and your openness to discuss these important issues. chairman pai, you have said the commission must, i quote commit itself to being a truly independent agency that makes decisions based on fact and law. appreciate that comment. i know you are aware in december of 2015, chairman thune, ranking member nelson, senator booker,
mccaskill, and i sent letters endorsing a plan for the joint testing of two proposals for spectrum sharing in the 5 giga hertz band. i i know that testing is underway. this band is vitally important to the automotive safety systems and decrease highway deaths and be an advancement when fully deployed. can you commit to making public all of the data that is collected by the fcc during the bench and field testing phase? >> senator, i would be happy to do so with the caveat to the extend there is a confidential or trade secret or law enforcement for example that might be revealed. we would be happy to make public whatever we can. i am not sure there is but i
want to abide by whatever rules and regulations apply. >> i understand that but everything else will be made public? >> i will be lhappy to take a look at it and do whatever we can to make it public. >> i ask you to commit to the commission final determination will undergo review that is open so others can review? >> any action we take in this area and other areas have to be based on a firm factual basis. >> what is the target date? do you have have a date? >> we don't. i am scheduled to sit down and try to discuss the issues and i would be happy to get back to you with a more specific time frame. i am unable to give a date at this point. >> fair identifenough.
what has been the commissions experience in coordination with dit? >> that is a good question. we are already in the process of doing outreach to both the department of tr department of transportation and d n n-- ntia. we are plugged in to make sure one agency isn't acting to the exclusion of another. we want this to be open dialogue going forward. >> i want to pick up on senator moran's discussion and questions related to 477 data which is going to be critical for us to make sure our rural areas actually get service. we have, i think, a big issue in michigan if you look at who may qualify even though we have rural areas that don't have
service but it appears as if they do which is not the reality. it really knows the heart of the issue which is beyond the challenge process, which we want to make sure is vigorous and fully open, but we really have to change these maps. they are simply not accurate as far as what i am hearing and have been told. how are we going to go in and fundamentally make sure we have good data? we need to have good data or we cannot make good decisions. >> i cannot agree more with the last sentence. it is critical for the mobility fund and any program the fcc administers to make sure our data is accurate. if you see a map and suggest the up is green when you know it is not. >> it is clearly not i will tell you that having yjust come back from there. >> we want to be accurate to
what is on the ground and that is what we are trying to iron out. we want to make sure the information we are getting is correct. that is one of the commitments i have to this committee and professional staff going forward. >> i would like to work closely on that with you as well because it is of critical importance in the state. look forward to your commitment with it. >> thank you, senator peters. senator young. >> thank you, chairman. i want to thank the commissioners for all the time you are spending with us. i am a new member of this committee and thought i would lay out operating principles i intend to follow as i interact with the fcc. know i have reviewed the fcc's strategic goals promoting economic growth, protecting public interest goals and making the networks work for everyone. i think implied in those goals is just a general effort to make sure you serve the broader public interest. with that in mind, i am looking
to partner with all of you to promote the following: private sector innovation, transparency at the fcc, bottom up solutions, and sustainable and bipartisan policy wherever possible that give our job creators the certainty they need to innovate. commissioner o'rielly, in your testimony you spoke at some length about process reform that you believe are important to create an efficient, transparent and effective fcc. i could not agree more. process is policy so frequently. i would like you to give some more specificity to what you laid out in your testimony. i have long been a champion of congress reasserting its role with respect to reviewing nature regulations and making sure that what we have in place is still relevant, serves the broader public interest. why did you believe it is important to create a new bureau
of economics within the fcc? and are there other bureaus you believe should be consolidated? >> i appreciate the question. your point gets to the question of cost-benefit analysis and something the commission has not done even though previous chairman have promised to do so. i read every item i vote on. if you read them you will see the cost-benefit analysis is sourly lacking. they do some on the cost, but very little benefit is quantified. it can be difficult but it should be done. i have difficulty with the current structure in the economists are scattered. one might be a little better than the other, another will be completely lacking. there may be a sentence or two about cost-benefit analysis but
always comes in the same form. the benefits are large and the costs are whatever they are. that is not quantifiable and sufficient in my opinion. >> chairman pai, what additional authorities to you require to make the reforms you deem necessary? >> i think we have a lot of tools in the toolbox so to speak under sections four and five of the communication act. we have the authority to organize ourselves in order to promote efficiency and administration. there are things that lie within congress' purview. reform of the sunshine act to allow the three of us to collaborate which we cannot do without running a foul of restriction and consolidated reporting so instead of setting up reports that consume a lot of staff resources and few people
read we provide you a unified project of our legislative responsibilities. >> thank you. i want to commend you on your efforts to close the digital divide and that of the other commissioners. look forward to working on that effort together. as a matter of follow-up here, i would like to ask you, seeing as the president proposed we pass a major infrastructure package n fairly near term, what lessons have you learned about implementing broadband build out and if congress were to approp additional funds where should they go? >> america is a challenging place in some places to deploy broadband. for the private sector, it will not be there. we need to think creatively about stewardship of federal funds, modernizing the regulations to ease the case,
and to encouraging others, states and localities to adopt broadband friendly policies. those three tools are things we can and should be implementing. with respect to the infrastructure plan, i hope with respect to the white house and the body, digital infrastructure is a part of that conversation. i think in the 21st century as i travel that is one of the first thing people interest. they might leave their small town or not have the opportunities others have because they don't have internet access. i am committed to solving that and to the extent congress can help that would be terrific. >> i yield back. next up is senator cortez masquez. >> good morning/afternoon. it is a pleasure to meet all three of you and chairman pai, congratulations on your renomination and i look forward
to sitting down and talking about the issues we are discussing today and other issues. >> thank you. >> we have many rural areas in nevada that is a concern but one of the concerns before that is the hiring freeze. what impact have you seen or felt from the white house's hiring freeze to your agency? >> to be honest, we have been so busy producing work product for the american people i have not had a chance to talk to our human resources and other administrative experpt do is figure out what we haven't been able to do. i can say we are making progress on some of the core priorities using the terrific staff we have thus far. >> and how many years have been been serving as commissioner? >> from 2012 to january of this year and a staffer for almost four years before that. >> can you assure me the merger reviews and legal challenges are
not being impacted by the need to hire legal staff? >> yes, senator. >> all are positions to your knowledge that currently are vacant in the inspector general? >> i know with the field offices there are four vacant positions. >> can you provide to me in writing answers to the questions with respect to the hiring freeze, the impact, and where they are located throughout your agency. >> i would be more than happy to do that. >> thank you very much. commissioner o'rielly, i know the fcc cybersecurity and communication reliability division works with the communications industry to develop and implement improvements that ensure reliability of the nations communication infrastructure. what else specifically can the fcc be doing to aid in the
concern and challenge of cybersecurity and identity theft? >> so, i want to be careful here. we do a good job improving the relationship with the providers we oversee. our statutory authority is limited in the data security space. i would be open to congress changing the lines of jurisdiction. there are other agencies that providers interact and operate with in terms of the data security and pieces of that nature. >> so limited to no authority? >> i think it is extremely limited. if congress changed that i would implement what they change. >> getting back to expanding broadband. i am interested particularly in access on public and tribal lan lands. i am aware of these concerns particularly in nevada with 80%
of the lands are owned by the federal government. chairman pai, your bio page on the fcc emphasizes your regulatory philosophy is we need to streamline the process for deploying wireless infrastructure and you include the federal government should speed the deployment of broadband on federal lands that impact the most rural community by adopting shot clocks, minimizing fees and mapping federal assets. can you explain to me what we can to do address these challenges and what commitment you can make to help me get access to more nevada residents who are impacted by the hurdles? >> i will start with the last part which is you have my commitment to work with you to make sure all nevada residents especially rural ones have access to broadband. i saw a fixed provider in reno providing to the tesla factor and it was incredible what they
were able to do in challenging environments with respect to wireless connectivity. it takes twice as long if you want to get a permit on federal land than private land and we want to close that gap. we want to make sure the wireless infrastructure of the future, small cells, distributed antennas, are not subject to the same erroneous complaints of the cell towers. those 5-g networks are going to require smaller infrastructure. additionally, we want to work with all steak stakeholders to make sure they are deployed. i was in carson city and you dig once. if you are digging up a road as part of a federal transportation project why not install what is
needed for any provider to lay the fiber and provide a competitive alternative. >> i am glad you said that. i think what you are saying is so important. one of the areas i would like to see is establishing or dedicating efforts to an interworking group to tackle these challenges. i have heard discussion about yes, it is happening but there is no action to get it done. is that something you would be dedicated to helping us with in nevada and any other state with challenges? >> absolutely. it is underway with the broadband deployment advisory committee. that is one of thing thes they are tackling and how to work and make sure no one agency is standing in the way of digital opportunities. >> thank you, senator. you were having a conversation about the mobile now bill.
pass that through congress. senator capito is up next. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank the ranking member as well. welcome to our witnesses who i had the opportunity to personally speak with all of you and i appreciate your service. chairman pai, i appreciate you coming to west virginia and walking the cat walk at the bridge and look forward to seeing you scale that whether than walk it. that is a good laugh back there. >> senator, there is no more be-jesus to be scared out of me. >> i know you had conversations about rural america and appreciate the agenda. i appreciate the explanation you gave on the gigabit opportunity zone so i will not ask you about that. but i would like to know in terms of best practices for states you have mentioned this,
in terms of power pole sites and dig once and those things. do you as fcc chair plan to come out with a recommended state initiative that would help us? you saw in fayette county how hard it is. >> absolutely. that experience informs decisions we are making now. i do think we need to have a set of best-practices that would enable states and localities to move forward if they want citizens to have digital access. we will charge the broadband deployment advisory committee with creating a model code so any jurisdiction can take policies off the shelf without hiring people to study the issues and be able to say we want to deploy broadband and the fcc has given these sets of policies. >> i think that would be well
appreciated by every state. states don't have the expertise and have more barriers than what seems to really be acknowledged. commissioner cylburn, thank you for coming to morgantown. you on your top line tour and what were the two take away? >> broadband and more broadband. when we got a chance to come off the mountains after i got my sanity back. if you have been up with her staffer, you will need medical attention. one of the things that i saw on this 11-state tour that included your beautiful state is that every single challenge that have in america can be improved and enhanced by broadband
connect connect connectivity. we know every community is different and part of the challenge is business cases can't be made. you need entities like ours and all of us to come together to say what can we do in a targeted manner to bring the connectivity to the region. that is the take away and what i hear everywhere. to make sure you don't have to move. you should not have to relocate in order to survive and to be productive in communities. that is what we are all about. >> thank you. thank you. i would be remiss if i didn't mention we don't terrorize people in west virginia. i is -- i have a new role of
appropriating for the fcc. >> i won't bring up my mental health issues. thank you. >> mr. o'rielly, one of the things we talked about is this issue i think could hold great promise in rural america. i think there has been discussions on the time in the regulatory space around white space and making it more simple. can you talk about that. >> the space between television channels between the market can be used for unlicensed purposes and wi-fi and the commission has looked at this for a long time. we are further down the road. the software and technology has been lacking more so than i would like and we should be further along. but i think it has improved and the commission has made a number of changes in the last two years
to improve the detectability to make sure there are not false positive so we have not displacing broadcasters but providing an opportunity to use the white spice channels and what you can do and partner with companies that operate unlicensed band. they are able to do slivers and bring things like the internet of things available and wearables and things that come from that. >> i would note west virginia university is in partnership and has been using this white space for connecting two campus and making sure students are always connected moving back for forth. >> senator capito, thank you. maybe the senator from west virginia has to share with the other members of the committee what it is she has done for the fcc commissioners to make them so agreeable.
next up is senator klobuchar. >> thank you, chairman. thank you to the three commissioners and all the work you do. congratulations, chairman pai. i know this was raised earlier but we need to have a full slate of commissioners and i hope the president will renominate as i note she is smart and has a name that is hard to pronounce other than my own. we would like to get that done. broadband deployment as senator capito noted is really the infrastructure challenge of our generation. ....
broadband reform. why is direct federal support in the universal fund critical to deploying broadband in the rural parts of the country? >> i think the reason is because into many parts of the country you simply cannot build a business case for deployment and so for example in places like where i'm from in kansas or your state is going to be difficult in the absence of federal subsidies in the service fund to figure out a way to deploy the infrastructure and that is working on a bipartisan basis -- >> i started my day working on the infrastructure issues and i'm glad both the administration and the proposal we recently put out for $12 million on infrastructure on the democratic side including infrastructure.
i'm the cochair of the 911 commission and eu have worked on some of these issues and senator nelson and i have announced we are putting a draft together on the nexgen 911 act 2017 locality issues and things like that to talk about the importance of the transition. >> it provides us with more continuity. it provides us the stability particularly the american citizen when it comes to the most stressful part of their lives it provides them with more certainty and robust options when it comes to connecting with their public safety access point. there are 6800 of those in the nation and honestly they are not all created equal, so we have to do what we can to bridge that
particular gap when it comes to providing services and catch everyone up so that next generation 911 is a reality. >> senator leahy is here and we work on the antitrust committee and the judiciary anin the judid from small programmers the most favored nation clause is create a hurdle that prevents consumers from being able to access content and others maintain it is so competitive. last year the commission issued a notice of proposed rulemaking and i understand you dissented at least in part because of process concerns. what are your plans on moving forward and the proposed rulemaking clacks tamika >> of the comments closed a few weeks ago so the staff is taking what is in the record and at some point we have to sit down with them and figured out the appropriate way forward along with my colleagues. >> do you want to add anything to that clacks tamika
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as you pointed out, there were some things the commissioner can do to initiate the process. they identified such a plan or as a priority. do you intend to initiate this process? >> that is one of the issues that has been raised in the preface. we are obviously open to any suggestions on ways to improve our operations and in the meantime you're going to keep open on the public interest and keep defending the best way that we can. >> the fcc claimed its unprecedented and sweeping reclassification because broadband providers have the incentives and ability to eliminate. the openness of the internet, the extent to which it is open
and in the course of its nearly 400 pages within this order the fcc fails to effectively prove that it was offering anything more than a solution in search of a problem. to refer to the added service provider that could or might potentially do to block the application services or content could you offer a gas? >> i can't give a number but it's clear that these are prophylactic members that they viewed. there are several instances in which this happens and it looks
even worse considering the fact the chief economist at the time called the order and economic free zone. >> next up, senator blumenthal. >> thank you for having this hearing and for being here. we are in an oversight hearing, so you'll have to forgive us for not being completely congratulatory and noncritical. i want to put in the record a number of materials including an editorial from "the new york times" dated february 10 in the "washington post" and a letter
from the consumers union written to the chairman dated march 7. i want to ask first with respect to the at&t time warner major your standard is a different one for reviewing mergers and taking the public interest. >> the parties have structured this deal so as to escape the review. it is sometimes rid but i don't want to use that pejorative. could you commit to the committee that he will prepare an analysis based on the public-interest standards of the merger? >> they would only apply the public-interest standard if it were before that. >> that i'm asking you to do the analysis. you can say yes or no.
>> do you mean to submit to congress? >> my only hesitation is that there is no license transfer and there will be no facts before us to review so we wouldn't be able to apply any expertise. >> i would be happy to take it back and speak to the general counsel's office to see what the requirements are with respect to that. >> and the times were far -- in the time so far, you unfortunately unwound any of the rules and regulations that i buy view did not protect consumers. you have undone the enhanced transparency rules that ensured broadband isp consumers know
what type of service they are getting in if you have withdrawn the business status market and paid the market that would have saved consumers money and walked a commonsense broadband rules and you've undermined critical programs like lifeline and you backed away from the rules that were worth the exorbitant rates from the phone calls that a number of my colleagues have remarked. i'm not really interested in what he communicated when it does seem you've adopted the playbook of diminishing rules that protect consumers and further the interest of big business. i would like to know what possible rationale there could be for enabling the cable
companies to continue profiting for $20 billion a year rather than permitting them to own those boxes when they can save money, $231 every year per family. especially after, in my view, the congress has directed and enabled them to own those. >> thank you for the question, senator. i believe as i think many millions agreed the right solution to the problem is not to double down on the technology in the set top box so in my view the fcc would have been better off looking forward to figure out how to eliminate hardware that adds cost and increases in convenience for consumers and increases the more ad space support of the concern i had withavewith the set top box pros one that was shared by the commissioner and others and that is part of the reason why we
prefer to look forward to speak in terms of the regulatory approaches as opposed to getting my ear and some of the more intricate policy quagmires and the previous approach. >> so you are not willing to review your physician? >> we are always happy to based on the new facts and evidence that is placed before us. >> let me ask you on net neutrality, i assume you are aware and will follow the obligation that you would have a new rulemaking procedure if you were to run. >> for anyction as long as i'm the chairman of the will comport with the administrative procedures act and any other requirements that might be pertinent. >> my time is expired. ihas expired.if i can engage inr round. >> thank you senator blumenthal.
>> thanks for holding this hearing. i want to begin by thanking the chairman for some of the changes that you'v we've made on how the commission operates so that frankly there's more transparency and openness in your process, things like releasing the text of an order before it is voted on i think that is pretty fundamental but it was always amazing that your predecessor didn't think that that was necessary. but i do think that it's also important congress codify some of the changes and registration so they maintain and openness from one administration to the next. are there any other process reforms that you are contemplating? >> thank you for the question. first off, commissioner o'reilly
outlined several and we are certainly looking at some of those. i proposed a number going back to 2013 for example a very simple when creating an online dashboard any member member of s or member of the public could see how many complaints were pending at the commission or how many were free to attend and what is the meantime to those are the basic facts that would be helpful for people to go but there's a lot of things we can do and we are committed to them as soon as we can if we can spare the bandwidth so to speak. >> this is an important issue for you. >> thank you for the question, commissioner. it's been wonderful in leading a number of efforts on the reforming of the internal process. there are more ideas i put together 25 and we probably have a good 17 to go and i have been creating new ones on a weekly basis my colleagues are trying to figure out how to invalidate issues sent to the staff to make
decisions. they were goaded by commissioners and we would like the right and ability to go work on some of those without disrupting the process. another idea i put forth is to include the sunset in the rules so that we would be forced to review the item. a fresh look at them every couple of years and better they stay on the books and they've outlived their longevity and we have a couple of procedures to deal with what they are getting the full review of my opinion. >> thank you, commissioner. we do appreciate you spending some time on that and we have had a discussion on this particular issue and i want to share some statistics with you that come from a range of sources the sec complain fcc coh industry groups, the department of commerce, we can go down the list.
they give access to mobile broadband service. i question these kind of numbers and statistics. we have 100,000 square miles of their we have a county commission in a county called eureka and it's also the state veterinarian and also the rancher. in a conversation he's carrying two phones hoping one or the other. if he doesn't have access, clearly that could become a problem.
there were opportunities they could have called in a public where they didn't have access to the emergency crews and so i think those are a public safety risk. they raise raise the burdens tht prevent and find ways to access and to have access in underserved areas. you and i agree on this. have been championing these policies and have written legislation and i will continue to do so as we go forward. you have any idea on what we can do to speed up the deployment of these areas? >> in response, one of the things that is critical in nevada would be speaking up for deployment on or adjacent because i know nevada is disproportionately constituted
in the federal land and another thing would be making sure that the business case for it is easier and that involves in some cases another piece that could get fixed is the commercial marketplace to enable the wireless providers who are doing a terrific job of providing connectivity where it isn't economical to deploy. i mentioned i saw some of that and there is a great potential for me to be honest i don't care what technology is used to connect to folks we want to bring all of them to bear at the most fiscally responsible.
it's to allow that money to be a channel to the existing progra programs. we have a pretty good program that we administer to allow the rural carriers and others to deploy some of these networks instead of having to reinvent a wheel or agency we can use the existing mechanisms for the professional staff that are terrific to get the biggest bang for the buck. >> thank you to the commission for being here today. >> thank you mr. chairman and the commissioners for being here. i wanted to ask about media consolidation. obviously we've been through this time period that if we needed an advertisement for why we need to diverse sources of media, this is it, so wanted to get your thoughts on the cross ownership owning newspapers and
>> that could help them stay in business to provide a vital source of information there are other concerns then considerations as well that is part of what we are discussing cynic in the context of media consolidation would use say that you are aggressive for neutral or negative on making sure that further consolidation happens quick. >> not to be glib i cannot give you an adjective but i firmly believe our rules should match the reality is the of the marketplace to make sure that we take account this state of the industry to ensure there is a competitive and vibrant marketplace. >> this is why i am concerned march 2013 you were looking for support of
disapproval of the media ownership rule and urged further consolidation and called for a public vote from the media ownership rules for a cause and now the you are the chair of the really want to understand where you were going. was nothing is that help that we had a lot of changes over the committee the fcc that the data about this issue has not been released so you commit to making sure that you won't do anything ahead the publishing this data in 2017 before any changes are proposed with media or consolidation quick spin meg to be honest with only six weeks on the job i have not had a chance to
look at that bible be happy to work with you on vat. but i can say based on the evidence already on the record we know there's literally no evidence to support newspaper or radio even the third circuit has told us some of these regulations are no longer necessary. we want to make sure the facts are of the record what to take what is consistent with the court. >> there is 4323 and that is about data ownership to one to mention their complying and get the information and we have the different thing and then how will it moves.
but there has the that much as a share in did young people. and that they don't confuse it not to allow consolidation to then have resources. and then on many of platforms and then to zero the media and the discussion with the resources so buffets are accounting for the ownership that is what we're after. >> we want to make sure we have accurate data as well. >> we will be happy to work with you.
>>. >> thank-you to all the eyewitnesses to and who are here also new to the committee and some of these issues i appreciated very much. chairman pai thanks for meeting with me prior to today's meeting. i am pleased on the national level and if done correctly this will insure seamless communication of the wireless capabilities possible. but with the nikkei connectivity challenges i will take my aim mountains
over western virginia. no offense. [laughter] but companies have been exploring alternatives and make the best decisions but once the state decides to opt out they will be approved by the fcc has set understand it you have this set the commission right now folks and my stay have raised concerns there only have one opportunity but if the sec declines then they have no opportunity to revise or resubmit which doesn't seem like a good way to move forward from my perspective i feel the state deserves to learn more they fell short in given a second opportunity to comply so what specifically will you
do to ensure that states are given a fair shake. >> thanks for the question in the generous hospitality extended during our visit. been to facilitate interoperable liddy between the state network that choose to opt out. the fcc has the proposed rules to flesh out what they should be but as i read it does state once it makes a determination will not approve the application the decision is final but i believe personally the opt out states should have a full and fair opportunity. to make sure they have a fair chance to present their case so i hope they will have the opportunity to amend or modify as of plants
conflict with the interoperable in the that we have got. >> again a question to chairman pai ellen like to enter a recent opinion piece from michael cops that is urgent that chairman pai urges for the free press published on monday. >> but in this piece former commissioner cops says in my view anyone who has the privilege to serve that the fcc any preacher with a pulpit has the duty to speak out whenever americans first mentor rights are at stake and you agree that is the'' quick. >> that is correct. >> and know your offical biography says your outspoken member of first
amendment freedoms so there over the course of months tense issues but it and to and asking if you agreed or not that the statement that if he is the enemy of the american people in this seems the declined to answer that i would like to give you another chance if you're not a spoken defender that should be easier eagle -- easy. >> guys agree arab-american has a full and fair opportunity to exercise and enjoyment of rights in the constitution i have specifically spoken out. >> so yes or no do agree with the statement?
the results larger political debate but i do believe every enjoyment once those first amendment freedoms granted under the constitution. >> but wish to answer had been a little different. >>. >> thanks for your time and testimony today with the work you do with this committee it is great to see you in your new position congratulations yes your appointment as chairman and renomination as commissioner is you have heard me discuss before we have to orphan counties that receive satellite broadcast instead of colorado television that
the decision to have that modification. one step closer to accessing broadcast. be another county, montezuma will file a similar petition for market modification i this want to know you will work with that request. >> senator with the caveat that obviously any consumers that are forced to watch denver broncos football are burdened. but we will give a premium -- a pretreatment. >> i will remind you where the kansas water comes from. >> i will revise my remarks. [laughter] >> in the last question that they agreed that i have seen
initial comments from of notice for small scale infrastructure critical to ongoing buildups with future growth of 5g wireless service will there be a thorough review would. >> absolutely. to if many regions in my state to not have access to broadband service without any access and all i appreciate the time you have spent in colorado one of the most important rules for policy should be to close the divide. those that could help whiff fiber and wireless service but do believe satellite could help quell. >> i do. a lot of satellite companies have been innovative to boost their speeds in
reducing the only to see that allows them to be much more competitive vat is why and connect america we did not put the thumb on the scale like fiber to the exclusion -- exclusion of other. ♪ to the mall to be brought to bear and let the consumer decide the needs of the people. >> same question you believe satellites could close the of whole question mike absolutely a want to make sure they have a chance to compete. i worry i thought it was tilted but if we want to have every different technology neutrality with the core principle of the commission. >> digest one to echo what senator wicker said with feel miller -- mobility fund
also to have a challenge process and closely watching of comments but thank you for the work that you did during your conversation and we can highlight that as well. talking about to sell phones by a look at the map were i live in eastern colorado and i am only supposed to carry one phone but in eastern colorado area we need to of those as well. >> commissioners thank you for being here and this is an exciting time that the commission and i congratulate the chairman on your new appointment and we
look forward to work closely with you as you continue to implement innovative policies to expand competition and create an environment where jobs in economic growth can flourish . but my top priority is economic growth. jobs and economic growth are consistently the number one concern. in my view the biggest regulatory threat is proposed by the open internet order ans the commissioners are well aware i have been outspoken i believe regulating the internet is contrary to the text of the law was the legal power grab and it is dangerous that the internet has flourished because this
in an environment free of burdensome regulation allowing them to innovate without prior approval and i have called the net neutrality rule obamacare for the internet. and i will note the results have not been encouraging. in a 2015 op-ed entitled this is how we will ensure neutrality, former chairman wheeler wrote referring to a title to all of this can be accomplished while the encouraging investment of broadband networks to preserve those incentives my proposal will modernize title to to tailor for the 21st century to provide those competitive networks that necessary. i'm always concerned when a
government official is trying to determine how to regulate the profits and incentives of private companies. butter recent expenditure survey shows of the 12 firms in the survey eight experienced a decline that was relative to 2014 last year that the isp was thus subject to common carrier regulation and a domestic decline by 3.$6 billion. 5.six decline our regime reducing the investment of broadband looking over the interest of consumers. so what is your view on the open internet order and how the commission should deal with that?
>> and i favor a free and open internet is so of the greatest free-market innovations in history thanks to that bipartisan basis continuing thereafter and my concern is with the legal framework the sec adopted to regulate the internet and to move the extent is harming investment but the small ones as there is a number of declarations under penalty of perjury that they are holding back investment. that is my concern. we'll want to have the maximize incentive to build these networks of the future. that is something we will
strive to do. >> dyewood encourage you and the commission to revisit that order and rescind in its entirety i believe you have the support of the majority of this committee and substantial support in congress and i leave if the internet will be regulated the that is a decision to be made by the united states congress rather than taking legislation designed for different context to be applied to the internet. commissioner riley stated in a block posts that by some accounts the federal government currently occupies between 60 and 70 percent of all spectrum of the most valuable range of today 25 mhz and jigger hurts that comes to approximately 2,000 -- what
steps can this committee take to incentivize the take to incentivize the federal users and especially department of defense to make more spectrum available for commercial use blacks should they allow federal agencies to keep the proceeds from the incentive options? action day consider spectrum these? have to we get more vat into commercial hands to produce thousands more high-paying jobs? to make yes berger incentives have the proposed . i have argued that it is wonderful but to require significant from the proceeds i have advocated spectrum fees as a mechanism for the opportunity cost and by doing so makes them look at what do they really need to complete their mission?
but we do want them to only will the spectrum that they need but then they put a cost on the spectrum. and that is the mechanism i would favor. >> mr. chairman, uh congratulations, it is good to see all of you. i just want to comment quickly pulled aside the of the ideal that talk about the independence of the agency of you and i could not agree more. did think it is important man glad the topic has come up. you should not use as the example of independence of a
lid blown negative attendant of the of whitehouse so when maya their colleagues said everyone to independent but don't use the alliance -- model spin make you to go live the time working hard on the election plan. >> it was apparent head you dug-in with that. is there anything you can mention to me or my constituents working on that issue? i know was not unanimous bet you were well-intentioned with those extreme challenges with future
reference. >> at first i want to thank my colleagues even if we did not agree but we got across the market but i drive off the five off the market of the lower 48 i can see before you are quick san and been have you tried to you so topographic lead challenging is just mind-numbing with the complexity selene to make rules as simple as possible also showing those difficulties we have to do our best because it is a digital opportunity for. >> any other commissioners?
>> and with some of the other remote villages. is scored the fact that telemedicine and the official record needed is to do that. you should not have to get up on the of plane sitting on the cockpit next to you the pilot and been and there are opportunities that our unique but for me that this it but my colleagues hit the nail on the head that i was willing to you projects and
is not even in did comparison in such a. >> with very small dollars and that we should focus elsewhere also hell head but they are eating up into address the issues fell felice. >> nine different of transportation revell fed tuesday did in addition to a lot of moves to make sure your conclusively with the
department the vegetation? >> but to do that but if it but everybody agrees that is a good idea. you agree but what do we need to help you do that better put. >> that this say good question in to be candid alliance still getting my feet wet part of that was the liaison as my other agencies i have not seen an impediment to reach out to my counterparts but if we do and i will be sure to let you know the last thing we want is for agencies to steer in the same direction. >> you can get back to us on that you would see
>> really it is for the neighborhood or a dozen people service seems the government will require the bridges open to the community. if no buyer is asian and wine million people who can come out of their property and walk over the bridge. is and that similar that they do not allow for example, a company to invest billions of dollars in the pipeline and they would to
also request to submit them for the civil human-rights with the recent actions on media ownership and a few other issues senate guys appreciate that we will include that in the record. inherited is a letter plus those of that support the use in dyewood save nearly chief near-record hearing open to wet -- too weak and of priorities handed pitcher
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