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tv   Washington Journal Gabby Morrongiello and Mike Lillis Discuss the Week...  CSPAN  March 27, 2017 5:39pm-6:31pm EDT

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>> the house is in recess coming back at 6:30 eastern for a couple of votes. the chamber worked on three bills including one requiring fema to report to congress on its plans for assisting those by a disaster. tomorrow in the house on a disapproval resolution that
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repeals an s.e.c. privacy rule. follow the house live on c-span. that is expected to be at 6:30 eastern. we'll take you a portion of today's "washington journal. ". o and mike lillis. how much of the week ahead is going to be taken up by looking back at the failed health care vote last week and finger-pointing about it? guest: it will not just be the next week. it will be the next few weeks, next few months, until they can find a replacement. this is the essential promise of the trump campaign. the main line of the republicans since this was enacted in 2010. -- it was shocking, and
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humiliating for the republicans, too, to say all you have to do is give us unified government, give us the house and the white house, and we can finally get this thing done. and they just cannot do it. they have to go back to the jurong board and think of a new strategy, not only for health care but for everything they want to do on their agenda. about somealk members who are ready to go right back to work this week on health care. who are some of those members? host: mostly the conservatives who have said we need to repeal this law, and the leadership did not do that. repeal. go back and do you have heard that dozens and dozens of times over the past few years, so i abandoned that strategy now? it is the difficulty of crafting legislation instead of just taking something down. for many years, they had the privilege to pass a repeal law,
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knowing it would never be signed by president obama. now they have an opportunity with trump in the white house, who would sign these things, but it also puts the burden of responsibility on them to come up with a plan that will not destroy the health care system. host: gabby morrongiello, is health care reform over for the for seeable future? guest: the smart thing to do would to be to continue to work on this. it is easier to get a health care bill through the reconciliation process, instead of returning to tax reform and returning to health care reform as some point in the future. if they get a bill to the senate, having to get 60 votes. you mentioned, conservatives are probably going to want to stay on this for the for seeable future. theould be wise to hit first campaign promise that president trump made on the campaign trail, which was to repeal and replace obamacare, instead of moving on and saying we will come back to this at
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some point, hopefully before the 20 18th midterm election. i think it would be wise for them to stay on this. certainly convey to republicans and all the people who voted for the president and voted to put a congressional republican majority and to congress that they can get things done, that they have a congressional majority and can work together and pass things. if they cannot get health care done, it will be difficult for them to do tax reform and infrastructure and anything going forward. host: republicans have talked about a three have a step process for health care reform. the american health care act was the first step. what about the regulatory side -- are they moving ahead, can they move ahead with that would -- without the first step being done? thet: it is something administration has talked about doing, looking at regulations outside of passing comprehensive health care replacement and repeal bill.
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mightk it is something we expect going forward just so the white house can say we accomplished something, maybe not a full repeal and replace, but at least we are making progress on eliminating key parts of the obamacare framework that republicans are really upset with. host: we are covering the week ahead here in washington, both ends of pennsylvania avenue. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. mike lillis, judge gorsuch is getting his vote today. any surprises you are expecting? guest: i do not think so. it is breaking down. it will be a partisan vote. republicans are unanimous in their support for him, and democrats are getting a lot of pressure to oppose him, if only symbolically.
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but everybody thinks that he will be approved. democrats can try to draw out the process, but they cannot do anything to block him in the end. there are some democrats who are saying we will not filibuster gorsuch if you allow us to use that process the next time around, fearing that something might happen over the next three and a half years and republicans and trump would have the opportunity to put someone else in their. re. they will try that and republicans will say no way. host: what reason would republicans have to up this deal? guest: as he was saying, i do not think they will. it would be unwise or them to do that and allow democrats to block a potential second supreme court nominee at some point in the future. i think what happened here, with senator schumer saying we will neil gorsuchster
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as the supreme court nominee, was an admission they cannot build a constitutional case against him. if you look at the hearings from last week, throughout his testimony on capitol hill, there were not any moments that stood outward in a kratz were able to nail down something that could be controversial. host: that could become a commercial moment. guest: rights. i did not really see any of that take place last week in the hearing. i think the strategy is to put the onus on republicans to either bring back the nuclear option or get eight democrats to vote for him. host: remind us of the nuclear option and what that involves, how mitch mcconnell could employ that. that: the filibuster means you have to have 60 votes in the senate to pass anything, so it is a super majority. endlessly whenit he was a minority leader. schumer will use it endlessly
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now as a way to prevent the majority from just rolling over the minority. you take the power away from the minority, and you can pass things by a simple majority, just like in the house. the advantage for republicans would be they have ryan in the house and mcconnell in the senate, and they can send things straight to donald trump's desk and get them passed that way. but it is extremely controversial. you set a precedent like that, and years from now when you are in the minority, democrats will not soon forget that. it is more a political calculation. do we want to take that controversial step knowing that someday in the future we will be the minority and the democrats are going to point to this? that is the thing mcconnell is weighing right now. host: lots to talk about this morning at two reporters here to answer your questions as we talk
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about the week ahead. up first in maryland, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to make a comment about branding, because i think, perhaps, a lot of the republican base were more interested in defeating something called obamacare. they were more concerned about of thema portion obamacare package, rather than the actual substance of what was -- what is in obamacare. republicans, so to speak, have made their bed and have to lie on it, because it is a mess. they have no way of really replacing it with something that is going to work. host: gabby morrongiello? itst: you have kind of hit on the had. this was a branding nightmare for republicans. for the last six years, they have talked about repealing and
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replacing obamacare. it exposes that there is a fundamental difference among moderate republicans and conservative republicans in terms of where they want to take health care reform and the level in which they think government should be involved in the health care industry. a caucus wast what pushing for last week, it was vastly different from what more moderate lawmakers were pushing for. that isn't something they will have to overcome. to your second point, i think there is an issue in this battle, that a lot of republicans have spoken about repealing obamacare and wanting to, but then they realized that there are popular parts of obamacare, like the pre-existing conditions clause and allowing individuals to remain on their parents' health plan. that would be a public relations nightmare if they repealed those. host: mike lillis, front page of the "washington times" has a question asking whether speaker
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ryan is the fall guy amid this failed effort last week. havehe have any reason to concerns about his support within the conference? guest: if you listen to the statements coming out of the conference, the answer is no. but he is going to have some problems, for sure. this is the same dilemma that john boehner was in. ago, john a half boehner was facing the freedom caucus, and they had about the same numbers, about 40 people. the math has not changed, even on the name above the speakers office has. he will face the same trouble with this group. they do not like to compromise. they came here to dismantle things, to cut deficits, and they are going to stick to their guns, no matter who is in the white house. it will be an enormous problem for paul ryan. in many ways, this accentuated the favor that john boehner did for paul ryan.
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when he came in, he cut a couple deals with president obama. he raise the debt ceiling and set spending caps, and it kind of increased the skids for paul ryan through the entirety of last year and 2015. everybody said the honeymoon was but itr paul ryan in 15, was over in 2016. it does not bode well for their agenda moving forward. that is his burden. host: one or two callers said they want speaker ryan to go after what happened last week. we have a democrat in belton, missouri. good morning. caller: good morning. my first thing about getting this thing fixed is by putting a cap on the insurance companies where people make $30,000 or less they $300 for singles, $500 for families, and put a cap on the medications where you cannot
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charge no more for the pill, five times what it takes to make them. would havemacare worked all right if they would have put exchanges in all the states like they were supposed to, but the republicans hate having a black man in the office and did everything they could to make this thing go down the hill. host: why is it about race? caller: because i think the gop a racists. i do not call the republicans racists. it is the people at the very top, those who make all the money, control all the businesses. , we paid into that. i have three more years before i get on medicare. my mom has it, and it is excellent. host: all right. that is his situation.
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gordon is in wyoming, republican. caller: good morning. should each individual practice preventive health the best we can. i am 71, and i have a personal responsibility to take the best care of myself that i can. that is all i have got. thank you. ,ost: gabby morrongiello anything from this last two calls? guest: i think it gets to what we are facing, the political climate that we are in right now. you could not have two more different takes on the direction in which we should take health care reform and the feelings toward both parties. like gordon was mentioning, the personal responsibility aspect of health care, this goes back to what the freedom caucus was arguing last week, the government should not be involved in the health care industry, and if they are, it should be a limited role, up to
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the individual to take care of themselves and purchase the health plan that they think is the most fitting for them and their family. it is a fight that will wage on, i am sure, between both parties interestbly the common parties. host: republicans in the president say they want to move on to tax reform. what will be the role of the freedom caucus in that upcoming effort? ,uest: if they unite as a block they can dismantle anything they want. they can prevent even the republicans from passing something in a chamber, a body, the house, where they control, have a 44-seat advantage. it is remarkable they cannot pass this repeal law. looking at texas for him, it is fair to say that all republicans support tax cuts, so this should be an easy lift.
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you have brady going on the sunday shows and on the cable shows this week saying this is where we should have started and this is where we really unite as a group. we thought the united is a group behind repealing obamacare, and that did not go so well either. for the tax code, tense of thousands of pages, and every page has a lobbyist group with game.kin in the infrastructure will not be an easy fight. immigration will not be an easy fight. note is reason the laws do pass on these things for decades at a time. on thehoughts congressman announcing over the week and he will be leaving the freedom caucus? guest: it is surprising. he was a critical but also supportive of the health care bill. to see the group he has been a part of investor so much effort into blocking that was certainly
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frustrating for him. that is a loss for them. it will be interesting to see if ofre is a further exit is members of the freedom caucus going forward on fights like immigration, tax reform, anything that comes out, whether there is rift inside the freedom caucus. host: have you heard about anybody else wanting to leave the freedom caucus? guest: there is certainly frustration within leadership and in the white house, as well. we will see if there is any backlash there. one of the most important things that came out of this debate, the most important message we are taking away as we are covering this, is that i think trump thought he could come into congress from the white house and kind of bully lawmakers into supporting his agenda, no matter what the policy was. he kind of had his way during the primaries with these guys.
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he is the president, right? so that strategy worked. he learned quickly that it is not going to work, at least with this block of republicans. they will not be a rubber stamp. they will be a thorn in his side. host: let's go to kentucky. jim is a democrat. direct i would like to my, to both guests. i would appreciate the comments on the fact that the republicans who have problems getting other things past, if they cannot get the health care passed, i would be willing to disagree with both of you when it comes to the tax cuts for the corporations and the billionaires and millionaires. it will sail through within three weeks time. that there, i think is going to be a lot of issues that republicans are going to face when it comes to tax reform .
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you have already seen signals from congressmen meadows, chairman of the house freedom caucus, saying he disagrees with gop leadership on whether they should offset tax cuts using taxes on imports. there is already a rift taking place, and i do not think there will be a significant -- i do not think there will be unanimous agreement on anything going forward. it will be a lengthy process to get tax reform through. saw -- thelready health care reform bill that you just saw fail on the floor is, in many ways, a tax bill. this was written largely by paul ryan. at least his mark is on it. childs paul ryan's brain or you can see elements of that in the tax cuts. a tax cut for millionaires and billionaires, in many cases. to say all you have to do is put
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those provisions into a bill and it will sail through is not quite true, because we just saw that fail. the other thing is there was a large cut to medicaid, which ryan has proposed for many years and his budget. from the democratic side, their criticism was this was never supposed to be a health care bill that eroded coverage. it raised costs in many cases. low incomecaid for people. they said this is not a health care bill, it is a tax bill that is for rich people giving to republicans. host: rockport, texas, richard, independent. caller: before the election, they were going to have the bill on friday. i was watching a competing media show. tigris was being asked about universal health
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care, and he was really shouting it down. and then this- host: what congressman and would show? caller: it was a new york congressman, and this was actually on cnn. quote from aead a book, and it was trump. he was promoting universal health care, ok? toma, when he was started run for president, was talking about universal health care, and then he switched to insurance, mandated insurance for everybody. ok? will always get a lot of shot back from elected politicians who have the and if it of being paid off by lobbyists, you know, from the entrance business and also health care at everybody else's expense. to me, there is a simple solution to get rid of high
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premiums, high deductibles, and it is just a discussion subject. it is simple and probably the fairest because everybody would be paying into this, and it would be to tax food. guest: i want to speak to the first part of your comment about the comments that president trump made years ago on health care, because i think this is one reason that there is speculation that possibly he could turn to democrats and try to get a by parts is -- a bipartisan bill through on health care. if you heard his comments last week on friday, after the bill was pulled from the house, he mentioned that now we will have democrats start to come to us once obamacare starts to crumble. if you look at president trump, he has never been seen as an ideologue. he is definitely willing to work across the aisle and collaborate with democratic lawmakers because he does not hold true to
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conservative principles in terms of ideology. i think that is something we might be able to see on health care but not so much on immigration or taxes. but if there is ever an opportunity for this president, this white house, to reach across the aisle and work with democratic lawmakers, health could possibly be that, simply cousin of the intraparty battle we saw take place last week and the week to four. host: palm bay, florida, republican. good morning. caller: thank you for answering my questions. i do not believe in conspiracy. how much -- conspiracy theories. how much of a chance is it that it was land to go this way? it was said that president trump should let it go down and crash and burn. of thetober, a lot
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states only have one in surer on the plan. maybe congress got caught off guard, like everybody else, that mrs. clinton was supposed to win. they really did not have a plan yet. to gogh mr. ryan tried back to sausage makers -- in eight years, we really have not had sausage making. there are the hearings on c-span and everything to let the people what is going on, and he goes back to committee and then on the floor for legislation. he only brought it to the committee. if they would have spent another month and really got a good plan out to the public, pros and cons of both sides and hearings, it might have gone through. wantnk mr. trump might to contemplate letting a mama care crash a little bit --
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letting obamacare crash some more. host: about the long game. guest: the comments of mr. trump really surprised people. they first came up at the republican retreat in philadelphia where everybody gathered for a couple days to come up with a strategy for repeal and replace. trump got there and i think surprised a lot of lawmakers when he said the best thing we could do politically would be to let this thing fail. when that is the message from the white house, i think it was disheartening going into this fight, and i think it did not help. all of that being said, it is safe to say that donald trump hates losing. he does not want to have to go up to the podium and say, you know, we tried and failed. he is a deal maker and likes to be the guy who can seal it. i think the humiliation this week is not going to be easy for
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him, and to see how he reacts to that is going to be something else. i just think they did not going to this fight thinking, yes, we want this thing to fail. they very much wanted a victory. they had been promising it for too long. they won the house in the senate based on this argument. so them to fail magnificently i do not think was the plan at all. :30 here on the east coast. we are talking about the week ahead in washington, various issues on both ends of pennsylvania avenue. gabby morrongiello is our guest from the "washington examiner," and mike lillis of "the hill" newspaper you at we want to talk about the russian interference in the election and ties with russia. what will you be looking for this week when it comes to that story? guest: i think the point we are
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at right now is continuing to look for any evidence that may emerge to support the president's claims that the previous administration had ordered surveillance on him and his campaign associates and whether they were, in fact, tied to concerns about ties to russia and russian officials. you saw the chairman of the house intelligence committee last week make an extraordinary move to go to the white house after receiving some form of information that he felt substantiated the president's claims and to bring that information to the president. and i think the feeling right now and the request from not just the public but other lawmakers is to actually have some insight into what that information may have been and whether there is more to come this week, which some republican lookedrs have certainly into that. host: a headline this morning looking at the actions of mr. nunes. .t has sparked criticism
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should he be worried at this point? guest: i don't think so. he has the full support of ryan and the republican leadership. the criticism he is getting is from democrats, near universal from democrats. of thecain went on one cable shows and said this is an indication that congress has no credibility doing this investigation on its own. there are some republicans who have been critical of him. for the most part, he has the support of his colleagues on the republican side of the aisle. that being said, he was very quick to apologize on thursday morning. it was a remarkable press conference. it was on wednesday. it was called very hastily here at he read a statement and did not seem to know how to answer .he questions he contradicted himself numerous times taking questions from reporters. then to run to the white house and informed the president of information from the investigation of the president,
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essentially, without telling the other investigators was quite a remarkable step it i think there was a little bit of egg on his face and he was backtracking. host: will the democrats try to push that this week? guest: they want the information. part of the apology on thursday was, yes, i will make available the information i have seen. friday morning, those democrats went into the committee room to look at it and it was not there. of course, they are making political hay out of all of this , and it gives them some into attack endlessly until he comes up with that information. they will not be quiet. an interesting thing, when he was reading the statement, he said this is incidental information from common foreign surveillance operations, and
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members of trump's transition team, who i have identified, even though their names were not there. some of the speculation was, well, you were a member of the transition team, so did you recognize yourself in the course of looking at these documents? it is kind of a parlor game at this point. it will continue until he reveals information. host: we will look for it this week. back to the phones. david from maryland, independent. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call, and thank you for the guests. there are a lot of topics today. i will speak on the latest one as far as president trump. a lack of shows leadership and a lack of judgment for him to say, oh,
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well, let's let obamacare die by itself. it shows he does not care about the american people and does not -- he does not really show good leadership. something is wrong. everybody knows obamacare needs fixing. but their answers to throw it out. ecause a lot of times they have an agenda or whatever, but overall, you should be thinking about the american people. they don't think about the american people. that is why americans are so frustrated. voted notmore people to throw the obamacare out because they voted for hillary clinton. his answer to that and everything else is to bring
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millionto say, oh, 3 illegals voted, even though he does not have proof. i think he is showing poor leadership in many areas. and the polarization of the congress, the fact that we cannot compromise on hardly anything, that is the real problem. we used to be able to come together, like on an infrastructure bill or something like that, because we knew they was going to create jobs. but they cannot do it because they have agendas, and they are not thinking about the american people. they are thinking about their own ideology am a rather than coming together. -- one of the group's president drum blamed for the defeat of the health care effort is the freedom caucus. "thisairman was on abc's week" yesterday. here is what he said. [video clip]
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of the is not the end debate. i had one friend call me the other day and say it is like saying that tom brady lost at halftime. you know, we may be in overtime, but i can tell you, at the very end of the day, the most valuable player will be president trump on this because he will deliver. he is committed to the american people. morrongiello, how much of a valuable player will mark meadows be in the road ahead? he is someone president trump will want to have a solid relationship with. he needs to be in constant contact with speaker ryan and also with chairman meadows, because as the freedom caucus demonstrated last week, they are going to be a powerful force. they are not going to be aid, foramped, as mike s this administration and on a number of issues coming up in the next 50 days at the next
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year. i anticipate they will continue to push that can push for conservative reforms that the president might not be inclined to pursue. host: mike lillis, does president trump build that relationship with a tweet like this one from yesterday? guest: it does not help his relationship with the freedom caucus or mark meadows. he suffered a loss. he does not like to be humiliated, so he will poke back. one thing we learned is that donald trouble not back down from a fight, even if it is with fellow republicans. you will see that back and forth, but meadows obviously wants to mend some fences. yet, he has an agenda. he came here for a reason. he wants to get policy things done. important to remember that it was not just the conservatives who sunk this thing.
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it was the centrist group, this tuesday group, this group of moderates. allresting enough, they voted for repeal in past years, but when it came to repealing the actual parts of it they might have become law, they said, well, wait a minute, and these are some of the benefits gabby mentioned earlier, saying this would be too much harm to our constituents, some from herbal states and some in districts where hillary clinton won the election in november. they have their constituents in mind. it the lastck to caller said, that trump and republicans do not care about their constituents. but a lot of them were looking at this deal and saying, if i vote for this thing, medicaid goes. my republican governor wants that money from the federal government. my constituents need it. so they voted against it, as well. so it was also these moderates. host: about 20 minutes left with
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our roundtable. debbie is in flint, michigan, a democrat. caller: good morning. i love c-span. for the record, i am not a silly liberal or a stupid democrat. i have been referred to as both on your program this morning, so i will not be calling republicans names. it will be more political theater this week, more bait and switch, more painting of democrats with the brush that makes us look like idiots. clear trump has made it that he does not think he is our president. he made one little statement in the state of the union address, and since then he has put down democrats at every point. and he is our president, too. he needs to realize that now you are done running, and you now represent democrats, too. your head out of your
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proverbial fannie and wake up. host: the chief of staff saying yesterday that there might be some opportunity to reach out to democrats when it comes to health care. guest: not just health care but on a number of issues. he has demonstrated that he is willing to reach across the aisle. he brought in the ranking chairman of the house oversight committee, a staunch opponent of this administration, a few weeks ago to talk about pharmaceutical drug prices. he has brought in the congressional black caucus. reached out to democrats throughout the course of his administration so far. he seems willing, and this goes back to the fact that president trump is more pragmatic than ideological, to reach across the aisle, to cut deals. as you said, he is the consummate dealmaker. i think that is something he factors into politics. it is not like business, but if
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you can find a partner across the aisle willing to negotiate with you, that is an opportunity that this president would uniquely reach for on any issue. host: surprised that the president chose the congressional black caucus as a place to look for those partnerships? guest: nothing surprises me anymore about the administration. making predictions. he promised to do that on the campaign trail. we have seen that he is trying to go down that list and check all the boxes and do the things he promised. a lot of people appreciate that. cummingsuestion is, goes into the white house, the black caucus goes into the white house, and there is no love lost between trump and the black caucus, especially since the president went after john lewis, civil rights hero. there is a lot of tension there, a lot of friction. there will be a healing process,
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i think, especially when trump has supported things like obamacare repeal. the question going forward, is there going to be any kind of alliance between black caucus, or the democrats more generally, and this president? a lot of that will depend on how much trump is going to go to the mat to get these things on the floor. the prescription drug benefit, the medicare benefit, right now does not allow medicare to negotiate drug prices. for years, democrats have thought that was a mistake. paul ryan is opposed to it. mitch mcconnell is opposed to it. donald trump is for it. to get that to the floor -- he does not control congress, so he will have to find a way to use the bully pulpit. he will get the support of the democrats, but he cannot bring it to the floor by himself. the interesting thing will be
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how willing he is to go to the mat and call out his own party leaders to bring legislation to the floor. host: line for republicans, good morning. am kind of tired of listening to this crap about there is not enough money. we have a military that is 10 times bigger than anybody else. now we going to spend $54 billion on a new weapon system, about -- then we talk one year i made a huge amount of money, and i found out how much people who make a lot of money pay, and it is nothing. capital gains means you only get do not pay%, so you social security, medicaid, medicare. if you want to balance the budget in this country and get things right, you eliminate
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capital gains and tax everybody at the same rate. why should a wealthy guy, like the previous guy running for president, who made $44 million be taxed at 14%? a secretary is paying 37% in taxes. you talk about tax cuts to corporations and to the wealthy. they say they got 10,000 pages of tax law. probably 500y pages that apply to the typical worker. the other pages are just loopholes put in by congress every time they get a chance for these corporations, like ge, who made $40 billion and paid no taxes. i mean, come on. the fiscal soundness of this country is going down the tubes because we have this partisan crap on the republican side.
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host: a couple issues there. where do you want to start? guest: gosh, fitting to respond to the question as a whole, tax reform is going to be very complicated for a number of reasons. said earlier, this is something republicans have been wanting to do for decades, and it has not been accomplished for many reasons but primarily because it is such a massive task to take on. and for this administration to want to turn next to tax reform, i think this goes back to what we have been saying, that if they had trouble with health care reform, tax reform is going to be a whole another beast that they need to tackle, certainly something that democrats are unlikely to cooperate with republicans on. the calle lillis, started with concerns about more spending for the military. remind us about the upcoming budget deadline and the debt
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ceiling deadline that you referenced earlier. guest: we have seen trump's budget. we have not seen the congressional budget just yet. they say that is going to come. this is not a bill that has to go into law. last year, they never passed a budget at all. we will see what they do. want to passy reconciliation so it makes it easier for them to do things in the senate on tax reform and health care and things like that. we're still in a continuing meaning ofperiod, the end of last year the past a short-term spending bill and then kicked it into this year, kicked it to the end of april, april 28, i think it's a there is a firm deadline there. what they do, we do not know yet. are they able to come together and has an appropriations bill? are they going to do it in tiny chunks or do one big appropriations bill? or if the can't come together to
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do that, they could kick it down the road once more. another continuing resolution, through the end of the fiscal year, september 30. a couple different moving. parts the debt ceiling, we have already hit the debt ceiling, technically. the treasury secretary has said that that has already been hit -- or is it coming up? guest: i think it has been hit. host: that is when they start using the extraordinary measure. guest: i cannot remember if it is the extraordinary measure. host: it is to buy some time. guest: there is a lot of wiggle room, and the treasury can manipulate things. so we do not anticipate that any time soon, but that will be a good one, covering the fiscal hawks.
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it has been an annual fight for them and a thorn in the side of republicans because of these freedom caucus dies. and in the senate, the rand pauls and the mike lees of the world who do not think this should be done, to control deficit spending by hiking the debt ceiling. we are looking to the fall for that one. host: a call from virginia, line for independents. toler: i was calling reference trump's influence and how he led the media around by the nose during the campaign and they even knew it. the republican party. they have thrown their philosophies out of the door. the latest example is nunes going to the white house and tattle tailing about what is going on in the committee. the will not stop until media, on a unified daily basis, calls him out in more harsher terms regularly.
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andhave an immature bully, that is the only way to stop him. host: any thoughts? guest: i do think that the media is going to have an important role to play, as they always have but perhaps even more so with this administration because the president does have the tendency to make statements that are later disproven. so there is a tremendous amount that the media reporters will have to do to hold this administration accountable and also to hold lawmakers from both parties accountable on capitol hill. i think that is important going forward. from texas, republican. caller: good morning. thank you, mike and gabby for what you do. you are very important. can you hold on for one second,
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please? host: we will put you on hold and come back to you when you are ready. a call from north carolina, a democrat. good morning. caller: top of the morning to you, c-span. love the panel and the conversation. when the aca deal was passed, how many insurance companies were on the board? and when did the insurance companies begin to leave the aca? and did the republicans have anything to do with that, something like throwing a monkeywrench in it like having a clause that the insurance company can bailout thinking that the aca will be repealed? and why do paul ryan, donald trump, and mitch, all of them want to get rid of obamacare
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treating the parts they see causing problems to some americans at this point? i do not understand why they would get rid of something that is helping people versus taking something away that will harm a lot of people. host: we got your point. guest: thanks for the questions. to your first point, there is no board that passed the bill. it was congress and the president who passed the bill. they were consulted and talked to many people, dozens and dozens of hearings, and the insurance industry would have testified. and certainly weighed in, they certainly have deep pockets and make a lot of campaign contributions that are not insignificant in terms of how public policy is formulated. at the end of the day, it is the
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lawmakers who vote, not the insurance companies. were movings who this bill, including president obama, they wanted single-payer, medicare for all. day,hey were king for a the insurance companies would have been cut out of the deal altogether. there are a lot of moderate democrats, and at that time they had a ton of blue dogs in the house and a lot of moderates from purple states in the senate, and they could not pass that liberal agenda that they would have done if they had the choice. no, there is no board, no insurance company board, that made the decisions. it was a compromise, as all legislation is. the result is what we have. also, it needs to be improved, and that is an acknowledgment of
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even president obama and the democrats. to your second question, why don't the republicans want to tweak it instead of repealing it? a lot of that goes back to 2010. repealld voters we will it, cut it out, there is nothing good about this. it is an ideological difference of the parties have that they will not overcome any time soon. democrats think the federal government should play is in the can role in how the health care sector functions, and the republicans think the federal government screwed things up and should get out of the way. that is why they want to repeal it. that being said, the bill the just failed on the floor, it did not repeal all of obamacare. i think somebody said a 1000 page bill and 800 pages were left intact. there were a lot of insurance regs and benefits that were still there, which is why a lot
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of conservatives knocked it down, because it did not repeal nfl obamacare. so the -- it did not repeal enough obamacare. do repealhey cannot in one fell swoop. >> follow washington journal online at c-span.org. we'll leave this and take you back live to the house floor for a couple of votes. ged reports f filing under the rule. the clerk: report to accompany house resolution 229. resolution providing for conclusion of the bill h.r. 1430. to prohibit the environmental protection agency from proposing finalizing or disseminating regulations or assessments based upon science that is not transparent or reproducible. report to accompany house resolution 230. resolution providing for consideration of the joint resolution, senate joint resolution 34, providing for congresal

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