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not much different from the campaign. people got what they voted for. they elected him. it is in the best interest of this country to try to help them succeed. as far as the drama is concerned, it is unique, different from anything we have confronted. our job remains to do our work. these issues come up, these questions every single day. i do think the white house would benefit from some systems in place that avoid some of the unnecessary friction points that come up on a daily basis, but this is also the political environment we live in. politics are cover this way, and politicians behave this way because they know they can get attention for saying things one way or the other. it is the way politics has moved. i don't think it is good for the country, but that is where we are headed for now. announcer: on today's washington journal, we looked at the russian investigation now that former fbi director robert mueller has been appointed special counsel. this is 45 minutes. ist: at the table now
garrett graff, author and historian, to talk about the special counsel robert mueller. why don't you start. who is robert mueller? guest: he is a lifelong career prosecutor, mostly here in washington and the justice department. he spent most of his career working his way up through various u.s. attorney's office, head of the criminal division for the u.s. department of justice under george h.w. bush, and then was deputy attorney general under george w. bush before becoming fbi director. as has been told over the last couple days, he was the longest-serving fbi director since j edgar hoover himself. the first since hoover to complete the 10 year term of an fbi director, and then he was so popular and so respected that he was extended for an additional two years by president obama and
a bipartisan act of congress. host: what made him so popular and respected? guest: he is a ramrod straight , former marine straight shooter. in a city that seems like it gets more partisan and more politicized with every passing year, he is completely apolitical, completely nonpartisan, and very well respected on both sides of the aisle. host: what was he known for doing at the fbi, in terms of the structure of the organization and its accomplishments over those 12 years? guest: one of the most important moments of his career in tracing how he involved his leadership style, was he started at the fbi as director on september 4, a week before 9/11. on the morning of tuesday, september 11, he was at the hoover building, seated in his first briefing on al qaeda when
the twin towers were struck. so we spent the years after that leading the fbi through a wrenching. of change as it evolved from what had been a relatively traditional domestic law enforcement agency largely focused on criminal threats, similar in many ways to the organization j edgar hoover had built, and transforming it into a global intelligence agency, largely focused around counterterrorism. and then towards the end of his tenure at the fbi, really beginning to address cyber threats as well, sort of the transnational nature of global threats. host: what had he been doing between the time he left the fbi and the time he got this job as special counsel? guest: he left the fbi at the end of his 12 year term in september 2013, and went to a big law firm here in washington, and has been ever since
basically the person that a company or organization calls when they have really badly screwed up and need someone beyond reproach to come in and investigate their behavior and make recommendations for the future. probably most notably, he led the investigation for the nfl into their handling of the ray rice domestic violence incident, which you might remember from 2014. his report, when it came out in early 2015, is in some ways the best analog for what you might see in the work he will be doing as special counsel -- just an incredibly thorough, stunningly thorough investigation built from scratch. when you read his report about that incident, five pages of the report deal with just how the nfl headquarters receives mail and signs for packages.
i think in the course of this, bob mueller figured out things about the nfl mailroom that the nfl mailroom staff don't know. host: let's put the phone numbers on the bottom of the screen for our guest area garrett graff educated at harvard, he has worked for a number of publications, including politico, washingtonian magazine, and read a book about the fbi in 2012 that traces the modern history of the fbi. we will take calls from democrats, republicans and independents over the next 40 minute period or so, for our guest. here is something you wrote in politico a short while ago about robert mueller and james comey. it write "donald trump, turns out, has stumbled into taking on two experienced washington players on their home turf and the skirmishes that will play on capitol hill hearings with comey even as mueller slogs along with what is likely to be a quiet, tenacious, and by the book investigation into the heart of the trump
campaign's religion with russia." tell us more. guest: part of what's going to be interesting to watch as this unfolds is where this investigation goes from now is very much on territory familiar to robert mueller and jim comey. that this is what they have done their entire careers. they are both federal prosecutors by trade, very used to leading these big, complicated, sprawling investigations, and part of what makes these special investigations and special counsels and a special prosecutors complicated is as much of their investigation often ends up being the cover-up as the original crime, if there is a crime at the core of this, which we don't even necessarily know that right now. when you look back at the history of these investigations, the ken starr investigation the 1990's for instance, primarily ended up focusing on monica
lewinsky. the valerie plame leak investigation of the bush administration, which was a case that jim comey, when he was deputy attorney general, appointed his colleague patrick fitzgerald to head that investigation. that ended up focusing on scooter libby, vice president cheney's top aide. not because he was the original leaker, but because his -- because of his obstruction of the underlying investigation. i think part of this challenge with this administration is they need to be worried not just about what happened in the past, but the actions that they have taken and will take over the course of this investigation. host: before we get to calls for our guest, what do you make of what the president tweeted recently? witchhunte greatest of a politician in american history." he also reportedly told russian
officials that comey is "a nut job." how might robert mueller view this, and does it matter to his work? guest: i don't think it fundamentally matters to his work. in washington, there are many different opinions of jim comey, but i don't think anyone would actually call him a nut job or anything close to it. these are incredibly serious, sober minded people who have dedicated their lives to public service, and i think the president is making his own job harder with his reactions, as he tries to politicize a lot of this. host: let's get to calls, again, trying to learn as much as we can about special counsel robert mueller in this segment. jack is up first from providence, rhode island. democratic caller for garrett graff. caller: good morning, gentlemen. the reason why i called is i am one of those democrats from the old days, a conservative democrat. the democratic party today has been taken over by a group of
international financial elites, it is no longer a party of the working man, even know i'm an engineer by background. quote -- this is a quote -- you find me the man, i will find you the crime. the old hard-line soviet communist, where you have to give hitler's credit, he tried to destroy. now, with the power of mueller, ok, he's a dramatic brother, he can go anywhere he wants as this investigation goes forward, and this is going to take time. i think multiple things will occur. probably crimes will be found in the trump area. if you dig into it, i'm sure the obama administration committed many crimes in the areas of
unmasking. he has unlimited power right now , and if this is done correctly, i really believe donald trump -- because one thing about him, he is overall pretty honest when he talks. i don't think he himself colluded with the russians. he wants to help the united states. he don't need that job, he don't need to be president. he's not megarich like charles koch or the saudis, they are the richest of them all. but that point i'm making is i think the deep state hates his guts and overall, the election process -- they all thought hillary clinton was going to win , and this was a joke through the whole process. host: jack, thanks for calling. any thoughts? guest: i think the caller is correct that this has the potential to be a huge and sprawling investigation, but i don't think that's actually what
we are likely to see from bob mueller. he is someone who traditionally has, as he always likes to say, stay in his lane. he keeps things narrow, tightly focused. part of his prosecutor nature, but it is also his understanding of institutional roles. i think you look back at the nfl ray rice investigation, he kept that very tightly focused on just the handling of the ray rice videotape and did not get into this much broader question of the nfl and its relationship with domestic violence and other cases. i think that is what we are going to most likely see from robert mueller, unless he stumbles upon some grand conspiracy, is a very tightly focused investigation into the trump campaign and its relationship with russia. host: with that being said, back to your piece in politico, the
friday cover a shot of mr. comey and mr. mueller. what donald trump needs to know about bob mueller and jim comey. the subhead says the two men who could bring down the president have been preparing their entire lives for this moment. guest: this is, as i said, what they do. they have worked as federal prosecutors, as federal investigators, the head of the most prestigious federal law-enforcement agency in the united states for almost their entire careers. this is territory that is very familiar to them and very unfamiliar to donald trump and many of the people around him , who do not have much history with the way that these scandals can unfold in washington. i will say i think one of the most interesting things in this is that because of the deep respect and reputation that bob mueller has in washington, the good news for president trump is if there is no there there, if
this is all a strange case of odd coincidences and misunderstandings, bob mueller might be the only person in america who could come out, declare donald trump and his associates innocent, and be believed by both parties. host: robert in manchester, maryland, republican caller. good morning. caller: good morning. listening to you speak, it's sounds like you are very anti-trump. with the nfl investigation, you are also making it sound like if there's a crime committed by the democratic party, he will not venture in that direction to prosecute or suggest prosecution. also, i see you failed to mention that mueller and comey were best of friends at one time, comey worked underneath mueller in an investigation. i'm curious why you failed to mention how tightly they are in something like this. host: three separate points
there, but what has our guest said that is anti-trump in your view? caller: he keeps saying that president trump is an outsider and he's not familiar with everything, and comey and mueller are very familiar with everything going on. i think president trump is playing everyone for a fool. he is always four or five steps ahead of everyone. that's why he's where he's at, considering the election process. host: thank you, robert. guest: just to be clear, i am only really talking about the extent of this particular investigation. i think a federal investigation is a beast unto its own, and it has a rhythm of its own, it has procedures and protocols and traditions of its own, and that's where robert mueller and jim comey have a much deeper understanding of how something like this is going to unfold. but to the caller's point about the relationship between comey and bob mueller, he's absolutely right, these are two men who have worked very closely together at the highest levels
of the justice department. they worked together both before 9/11, and then their relationship and partnership was really forged in the crucible of the post-9/11 justice department , during this incredibly intense period as the country was responding to 9/11 and trying to reorient itself to fight al qaeda. bob mueller was fbi director and jim comey was deputy attorney general, technically bob mueller's boss at that point. they worked very closely together for a number of years, on a daily basis, working to combat terrorism. particularly -- we might talk about this more later in the hour if a caller brings it up -- during the 2004 incident known as the hospital visit, when jim comey and bob mueller led a very
high-stakes showdown with the bush white house and vice president cheney's office over guest: president cheney's office over the reauthorization of an nsa terrorist surveillance wind,m code-named stellar and jim comey in the justice department had concluded that the program was actually unconstitutional and illegal. it should be continued and -- and needed changes to be made in order for it to be continued. and vice president cheney's office argued vociferously that it not be changed and reauthorized and this concluded in march 2004 with this dramatic incident at the hospital bedside at george washington university hospital here in washington with john ashcroft, who was hospitalized at the time with
gallbladder issues, when the white house chief of staff and the white house general counsel or white house counsel showed up at the hospital bed at about 7:00 p.m. in the evening to try to get john an ashcroft, who had technically given up the attorney general's authority to jim comey at jeopardy while he was in the program and jim comey and bob mueller intervened and really threatened to resign if this program wasn't fundamentally reworked and changed. and ultimately, president bush blinked and the changes got made to it. host: more of the background of robert mueller, the special counsel. tim of alexandria, virginia just , outside of d.c., you are on with garrett graff. good morning. caller: can you hear me? i have a couple of points. i heard that the mueller investigation might overtake [indiscernible]
also that it could take years, and there is no power to indict. having this, it undermines the regular order of both the house and senate. what do you think? guest: you are right that you hit on the two biggest challenges the robert mueller -- that robert mueller faces as he comes into this new role. the first is the extent to which is investigation will interact with and overlap with the pre-existing investigations by the justice department and the fbi, and by the house and senate. typically in instances like this, what we have seen is that capitol hill will take a step back when there is an active federal investigation, at least one that they have confidence in. but as you say, the second challenge is the timing.
you know federal investigations , are not fast. and under the rules and regulations of a special counsel, bob mueller has 60 days to even just come up with a budget, let alone begin to actually put together an investigation, set up office space, and that type of thing. so we are definitely looking at something that is more the timeframe of several months or perhaps even several years. and that is not necessarily a typical in a federal investigation. fbi investigations typically run months or years, but that is going to be a political challenge here in washington, both for capitol hill and for the white house as this investigation is toiling away, day after day. host: let's hear little bit from robert mueller in his own words, . this takes us back to july, 2008, the 100th anniversary commemoration of the fbi. so the director of the time was
robert mueller. he spoke about the importance of the rule of law among fbi agents and its motto of fidelity, bravery, and integrity. it's about a minute and a half. here's a look. [video clip] robert mueller: integrity is in some ways the most important of the three words that make up our motto. integrity is the fire by which fidelity and bravery are tested. fidelity, bravery, and integrity set the expectations for behavior, they set the standard for our work. and more than just a motto, for the men and women of the fbi, fidelity, bravery, and integrity is a way of life. and it has always been so. it has been said of fbi employees that they stand on the shoulders of their predecessors, and indeed, we do. and while it is a type of change -- time of change in the bureau, our values will never change.
it is not enough to stop the terrorists, we must stop him while maintaining his civil liberties. it's not enough to catch him, we -- to catch the criminal. we must catch him while respecting his civil rights. it is not enough to prevent foreign countries from stealing our secrets. we must prevent that from happening while still upholding the rule of law. the rule of law, civil liberties, civil rights. these are not our burdens, they are what make us better. they are what have made us better for nearly 100 years. host: garrett graff, any thoughts? guest: if it's sort of classic mueller. he does not speak in public very much.
but he, as fbi director, continually pushed the traditions and the core of the fbi. one thing that sort of your viewers might have noticed was he was wearing a dark suit, white shirt, and red tie. and that was throughout his time as fbi director, effectively his uniform. and sort of the stereotypical look of a hoover era g-man. and he was fanatical about his white shirt, dark suits, and bright or white ties. and i asked him years later why, i mean, it was even to the point where he would joke and tease with aides or agents who came into his office wearing a blue shirt or a pink shirt, horrors of horrors. i said why the obsession with
white shirts? \ and in a way that was actually much more deeply philosophical that i had generally ever seen him and reflective, he explained to me that for him, it was an important leadership moment, that he understood how much change he was making in the fbi, how much he was reorienting and shifting and how wrenching this period of change for the fbi after 9/11 was and he felt it , was important to keep the look of a hoover-era agent for the agents who came in and met with him, so they had some simple and -- symbols and some totems of their history and tradition that made them realize that this was still their fbi. as that clip shows, he was the director during the 100th anniversary in 2008, 2009 and it is a culture in an agency that is deeply steeped in its traditions and history. host: let us get back to calls.
betty has been waiting in new york. caller: hi, how you doing? host: good morning. caller: i would like to add to the train coming down from russia. he shook hands with putin. and so the tillerson. train. add them to the i don't like what comey did, hillary, but he did it. and i hope this man, robert mueller, gets to the bottom of it. i mean, all the way to the bottom. because trump is a big liar. and thanks for taking my call. guest: i think it is part of what we've seen in washington over the last year is sort of bipartisan unhappiness with the way that the fbi and the justice department and the white house handled these two separate
investigations. you know the very public , confrontation over hillary clinton's emails, the very quiet behind-the-scenes investigation into the trump campaign and russia's meddling in the election. i think that part of this challenge is understanding the mindset of both of these parties as they look to these investigations last year. and really coming to understand that part of the challenge for the white house and the justice department in looking at the russian investigation last summer as it unfolded through the fall was the desire to not help russia accomplish its goals. that russia's meddling in the election, because it was not necessarily aimed at helping to elect donald trump, it was seeking to undermine the legitimacy of u.s. democratic
elections writ large. and to undermine our voters and our citizens' confidence in their electoral process. and so to the extent that the , white house kept quiet about the investigations into russia's meddling and russia's hacking last summer, it was in some way to help ensure that they weren't helping russia undermine public confidence in our elections. host: howard is calling from fort lauderdale, republican caller for garrett graff. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: this is where things get kind of crazy, because you got james comey, that defended hillary clinton -- what's her name on the tarmac? the whole point in trying to make is if the fbi was in scrutiny with hillary clinton
through all of this with the dnc and russia's hacking our elections, russia didn't hack our elections, our own stupid government did all of that just put all of this in front of trump to discredit trump. and i am not the most intelligent person in the world, but you know what i got common , sense and i can tell the difference between right and wrong. trump has god in his heart. there is no denying that whatsoever. with trump having god in his heart, he is walking the right path. anybody that against trump on this is against god. plain and simple. i do notand -- understand anything mueller is going to do any better. mueller is friends with comey, so is mueller going to have god in his heart and do the right thing? or is he just going to stand behind it and say this is been going on for two or three years and we're going to keep on hearing how donald trump did this, donald trump did that, he
can't even go to the bathroom without somebody commenting on it. host: thanks for calling. guest: one thing is robert mueller has a very strong faith tradition. he grew up in the disc episcipal tradition and went to st. paul's in new hampshire for prep school. i has always been a very important part of his life. to the caller's point about russia, i think one of the things that's really important in this is to understand precisely at least as far as we know right now what russia did and what he didn't do. and really, there were three separate lines of what they call active measures that russia took against our election system last year three separate avenues of attack, all again with the goal of undermining the legitimacy and confidence of our
election system. so the first one, you have the attacks on the dnc and john podesta's emails. sort of an active hacking effort and then those emails leaked , through wikileaks out into the press. we have an understanding from the intelligence community that there were similar penetration s and attempts made on republican campaigns, but we never saw any of the material become public. the second thing -- the second nexus of russian efforts were around the spreading and the amplification of fake news as well as anti-hillary attacks, amplified on twitter on facebook -- on twitter on facebook , through social media online, in a very coordinated and complex and very sophisticated pattern. and the third avenue was there
were direct attacks and attempted attacks on the election system itself, on voter registration databases at the state level, on election voting systems. as far as we can tell, the consensus of the law-enforcement and intelligence community is that third effort was unsuccessful, that they were not able to actually alter any of the election results on election day. but you do see three very distinct, separate types of attacks, many of which russia has also begun to deploy against other countries in other elections. you saw some of this in the french election. you saw some of this in the brexit vote last year. you've seen some of this play out in other european elections. and there is a big fear we are going to see more of this come out in the german election later this year. host: washington post neil the former acting solicitor
general of the united states writes in the washington post, sort of a three-way piece here headlined by the post, who drafted the special counsel regulations says they can't stop interference. in fact it says trump is still , fire robert mueller. what do you make of that? guest: fundamentally, that is absolutely true. frie-able -- fire-able as any other justice department employee could be. i think politically that's going to be very, very hard for the white house to do. that was almost precisely the case that their situation that resulted from the saturday night massacre during watergate with nixon's fire the special -- nixon's attempt to fire the special investigators then archibald cox. this is something that is technically possible, and if you do see robert mueller straying
far from his lane into some sort of unexpected sprawling investigation, it's possible you could see his removal, but i think that, given his level of respect, given the level of bipartisan support, that's going to be a real tough one for the white house. host: nonetheless rick writes on , twitter that robert mueller has a stellar career. and until trump and his followers get a load of what he is cooking, they will tarnish his reputation. let's go to rachel in forney, texas. caller: hello. for one thing, i want to stay right now, i did not vote for trump or hillary, but you know, when trump met with the russian people in his office, he asked the news media, the american news media to stay out, he didn't want them in there. that through a flag right there. when they came out and said well when comey met with trump in his office, and trump asked him to
stop the investigation, and if that was so, why didn't comey come out and say that trump asked him to stop the investigation? well, it was under investigation. anything that happened was still under investigation. anything that happened, comey wasn't supposed to come out and say what happened between him and trump in the office. and you know i hear people talk , about trump being religious in and all this. guess what? he passed the johnson amendment a couple weeks ag, and nobody talks about that. churches now can lobby and raise money for political people and in church, they can preach about political things, and it is separation of church and state. nobody talks about that. and that's upsetting. why don't they talk about that? the russian thing has taken
over. the other thing about russia and information they have on trump? other countries came to us, it wasn't just the united states. host: rachel, thank you for calling. garrett graff, your thoughts? guest: yeah, so this meeting last week, the morning after jim comey was fired with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov, minister, is almost by the day seeming to become a more critical moment in this entire story as it unfolds. and not the least of all are the smiling photographs of president trump, mr. lavrov, and the ambassador. in the oval office, laughing and backslapping together. which we only have because the russian foreign ministry released them to state media and that state media has not share them with the united states because they have been no photographs released from the
united states' side and no u.s. media was allowed into that oval office meeting as the caller noted. but then, there are sort of, you know, many different threats to pull on. first, the white house did not theion that civic is -- ambassador was in that meeting. it is controversial because of the role he has played all throughout this controversy with his telephone calls with michael flynn being a central part of michael flynn's firing end up archer as national security adviser. his meetings with jared kushner at trump tower as well as with the head of the russian economic development bank with jared and sergey kislyak, the three of them meeting again during the under seemingly
mysterious circumstances, and of course we now know as well that during that meeting in the oval bothe, president trump gave the russian leaders and officials seemingly top classified information regarding and isis plot that the u.s. had learned from an israeli source and was reported to be an israeli source. to shareen asked not with any allies, let alone an adversary like russia, and then on friday, we now know from official transcripts, effectively confirmed, by the way, by the house itself, that president trump called jim comey in that meeting with the job," as younut had mentioned earlier, and he said to the russians that he had fired jim comey in part in order to relieve pressure on him and the white house from this investigation into russia. host: back to the phones. kate is calling from youngstown,
ohio for garrett graff. kate is on the democratic line. caller: i'm so glad i'm coming on just after what you said, because that is what my question is about. i just do not understand why the series of events you just mentioned are not enough. why is he still just like out there with no kind of official restraint? there are a lot of us are very -- that are very uncomfortable with what he may do overseas, considering what he's done in the white house. why is what he has done already not enough? he showed himself to be a liar over the whole birther thing, so why this? guest: and this, i think, is the big question we are going to face in the coming days. in the first 24 hours after jim
comey's firing, you saw the white house saying this was entirely because of the deputy attorney general's memo recommending that jim comey be -- concluding that jim comey had lost and squandered the credibility and integrity of the fbi, although it did stop short of actually recommending his dismissal. then very quickly, you had donald trump himself come out and say "no, of course i was going to fire jim comey, even before i got the memo," and then pretty quickly after that, you begin to have these statements that increasingly speak to -- and i am not a lawyer, but in listening to lawyers review this, "speak to intend in the president's mindset, which does appear to have been to interfere with jim comey and the fbi
's investigation into the trump campaign and its links to russia. as the caller was hitting in that direction, i think you are beginning to see statements that someone like robert mueller might look at and begin to be able to create intent to obstruct justice, if that is the direction that this investigation ultimately ends up going. host: back to robert mueller, this is the announcement of jim comey's nomination to replace him as fbi director and we hear from president barack obama praising outgoing director mueller for his performance. here's a look. [video clip] mr. obama: bob was sworn in just days before 9/11, not only played a key role in our response to those attacks, he began one of the biggest transformations of the fbi in history. to make sure that nothing like that ever happens again.
like the marine he has always been, bob never took his eyes off his mission. under his watch, the fbi joined forces with our intelligence, military, and homeland security professionals to break up al qaeda cells, and disrupt their activities, and to thwart their plots. i will say it is clearly as i can. countless americans are alive today in our country is more secure because of the fbi's outstanding work under the leadership of bob mueller. host: garrett graff, any thoughts? guest: yeah. this really is a remarkable level of accomplishment and track record for the fbi in the wake of 9/11. you know, during the 12 years after 9/11 the robert mueller led the fbi, al qaeda was effectively unable to carry out another domestic plot, centrally controlled domestic plot. we saw evolutions of the counterterrorism effects during that time, but certainly in the
weeks and months after 9/11, the idea that we would be able to go more than a decade without a serious attack on u.s. soil carried out by al qaeda itself is a remarkable accomplishment as barack obama says. host: last call. democrat, mobile, alabama. caller: i'm going to try to be as specific as i can, because i got a lot to say and invited try to get it in. please don't cut me off, it's hard to do this, you know? i was raised in the 1950's and from that point, i guess we have 1960's. parents that fought world war ii in world war i. and so, maybe we understand about the russians a lot more than the children of today, or younger people of today. we were taught history, we were taught patriotism, and we were taught civics, and i was raised in the deep south, but we were
taught to be patriots to our country first. this party stuff is scaring me but mueller is a great man and , except i am concerned, and so are many men and women. we have been discussing. we are republican, independent and democratic women. , we know how long these investigations take to do the crime part of it. we need our congress to come up and do their job, because right now, as we all know, with all this stuff, and the russians -- it is so obvious to me that we have way too many russian connections on one side of this and i am sorry, people but we've got to be , patriots. we do not want to be taken over by a foreign entity and most of the women i speak with feel the exact same way. meanwhile, on the domestic side of life, we have republican men with anger, hate, and rage
so hard against hillary clinton. i will tell you all the , disparaging of a decent woman really alarmed a lot of us out here. y'all don't understand how hurt the females of the population are, and how deep pain we're feeling out here for watching every thing we fought for for the last 50 years of my life to , get equal rights and gender equality not even coming to pass, rape kits sitting around not being tested, that's one big example to the male population to push us into the second class citizenship. host: catherine, thank you very much for your points. catherine will be our last call. guest: i think it is sort of -- part of this challenge, russia as the caller talked about, the challenge with russia, russia continues to be an active adversary of the united states on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis. and it sort of got lost over -- glossed over amid all of the
trump-specific questions, but former director of national intelligence jim clapper and former deputy attorney general sally yates in their hearing on capitol hill, made very clear that they think russia is coming back for us in 2018 and 2020. and i think that, you know there's one part of this that we need bob mueller out there leading his investigation, looking backwards trying to figure out what happened last year. but then another step of this, which is just as important, and another thing that i'm surprised there is not more energy on on capitol hill is we know that russia is going to come back and try to do this again, so why is there no one in government taking a leadership role in trying to ensure the russia is -- that russia is not going to be successful if they come back next year during the congressional midterms or three years from now with the
presidential election? host: garrett graff, thank you for your time and your insight this morning. guest: my pleasure. have a great day. >> c-span's washington journal. every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up monday morning, washington examiner's daniel allen and his documentary filmmaker brother jordan allen discuss their new reporting project, "trump's america." abouthris whipple talks the role and impact of white house chief of staff. specialist attorney general for afghanistan discusses his latest report on reconstruction spending in the country. be sure to watch c-span's washington journal ,live at 7:00 eastern on sunday morning. join the discussion. >> tonight on c-span, joined a with t.r. reid. that is followed by british
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