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i don't care if you want to be a kangaroo, you do it on your own dime. we should not be paying for this kind of procedure. number two is i really think the volving.ce is de even a dog knows whether to lift its leg or squat. guest: i think they caller represents millions of taxpayers who have seen this story unfold and realize just how expensive this social experiment would be. the organized lgbt activist groups have come out with ridiculously lowball estimates. they make no sense. they don't even cap hormone therapy, which can be very expensive over a lifetime. they don't count time off. they have to replace people who are away because of treatment or
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real life experience. taxpayers have a right to know that the fence dollars go for things that improve readiness. we need more aircraft. the marines have a real problem with maintenance of aircraft. that has to be a priority. we need troops and ships in all kinds of things to improve their technology. we have some aircraft that is so old they need to be replaced. all these things need to be done to strengthen our military. the commanders are supposed to spend all the time that would be involved looking at the person in front of them who has a gender confusion situation and try to figure out what kind of bathing suit people will wear and competition? inand competition? -- competition? we had transgender men taking over womens sports. our service academies ready for that? what about military families? the responsibility of providing treatments to minor children. what about litigation that would
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follow from that? nobody has estimated the cost of these things. the intangibles are important. when subordinates see their commanders spouting things like, you must be treated based on the gender you prefer, that the assigned gender at birth can be changed to something else. when commanders say things like that people roll their eyes. that is a ideology speaking. yet the department of defense under barack obama bought into it 100%. president trump is saying enough already. we will treat everybody fairly, treat people with respect, no problem with that. the president also said during the campaign with hillary clinton was not saying anything about homosexuals being thrown up buildings by jihadists, she said nothing about that, president trump did say something. we completely agree on that. when it comes to military readiness, military readiness
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has to come first. host: our last caller is eric from north myrtle beach florida. he is retired military. caller: yes. north myrtle beach, south carolina. i retired from the coast guard. i will say this right now. is close to me because i had and i found out that a person that was working underneath me was gay. care of the 15 out of 27 years i was in, i was in a very bad area called nor'easter's up in massachusetts. i was stationed on martha's vineyard. going out, saving lives, no
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matter who it was, we did not care if you were white, black, what religion you were, or if you are transgender or not. as long as you did your job and tried to help in saving this life, who cares? we have a potus, a commander in chief that said he would back up all this in his ranting and was running for president. and now he has turned everything around, ok? somebody brought up it was going to be cheaper for the transgenders to have assignment surgery. cheaper than what the military pays for viagra.
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, let's hear your point about iss because i think what it is we have gotten so out of tune with humanity, with human , that we throw people who are different under the bus. guest: i think you are missing the point. the armed forces are there to defend the country. all personnel policies should improve military readiness and -- to ao accommodate crowd of people who have a psychological disorder in great numbers at great cost with no commensurate benefit really does not make sense. and the campaign the republican national committee wrote a platform that clearly states
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would call for an end to political correctness in the military. this was approved by the trump campaign. the president is delivering on that promise. he has not changed his position. violence against people who are gay, of course that is wrong. no one disagreed with that. when he is talking as commander-in-chief, not social friends or people in the civilian community or even in the coast guard -- it is not the same as deployed troops for a home, the president is looking at the bigger picture. that is what i think a lot of people, and we know 69% or something in a recent poll taken by military times shows the military is opposed to social experiments. they want sound for your ease in their leadership. you want to have unit cohesion within their units. unit cohesion vertically between the commander-in-chief and the troops he leads. these are intangibles that are so important.
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it all starts with what is your priority? military readiness need to come first. it is not about social contacts or even work partners in the civilian workplace. military is different. i think we are going to see a much improved morale. we will have a stronger military. that is what the president promised voters. host: e lane donnelly from the center for -- elaine donnelly of the center for military readiness. thank you. next week we would hear from an opposing view on this. coming up, bill piper with the drug policy alliance. we are talking about the potential justice department changes to the marijuana policy. policy ineducation low income neighborhoods. we will talk about it with amy wax who wrote a piece on that and national affairs magazine. stay with us. ♪
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us,: bill piper is with national affairs senior director for the drug policy alliance. we're talking about jeff sessions' plan to crack down on the growing, selling and use of marijuana. good morning. guest: good morning. host: what is the drug policy alliance? guest: we are the nation's largest organization working to end the war on drugs entry drug use as a health issue and set a criminal justice issue. we have several hundred thousand members. we have some foundation money. money from a variety of different individuals. host: attorney general jeff sessions next week is affected to release a report about criminal justice reform. drug policy advocate fear widely he will try to link marijuana to violent crime and drug trafficking. you wrote a letter to congress explaining. "i think it would be unwise for
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congress to restrict the department of justice to find particular prosecutions in the midst of a historic drug epidemic and potentially long-term uptick in violent crimes. all laws available to combat transnational drug organizations and dangerous drug traffickers that threaten american lives." what is your reaction? guest: i'm not surprised because he has been a longtime supporter of the war on drugs. week sentss just last an appropriations committee to pass the amendment to prohibit the justice department spending money to undermine state medical marijuana laws. that is something they passed several years in a row. himself president trump on the campaign trail said the medical the -- the marijuana policy, he supports medical marijuana. spicerss secretary sean
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confirmed that position a few months ago. for us the question is, who is in charge? attorney general jeff sessions or the president? if it is the attorney general, we might be facing some sort of crackdown. if the president keeps his word, at the very least they will not undermine medical marijuana. host: explain how marijuana policy works in the u.s. it is restricted at the federal level but states have different laws a son medicinal and recreational use. guest: 29 states have legalized marijuana for medical use. eight states legalized it like alcohol. ands taxed and regulated, established eight control, etc. under federal law any amount of marijuana for any reason is a federal crime. we have two systems that coexist at once.
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that important to note constitutionally speaking the federal government cannot make states make things a crime he can't force states to arrest people. there is a lot of leeway for the states that the federal government can still come in and make arrests. they don't really have the resources to do that on a large scale. host: when you're walking the halls of capitol hill, what is the elevator pitch? what do you tell them about why should be made legal? guest: i usually say the polling is very clear that the american people believe they should be able to set their own marijuana policy and they don't necessarily need to decide the issue based on should marijuana be legal or should it not be legal. it's an issue of states rights. it's also an issue of racial justice given the enormous disparities and arrests -- interests at the local and state level. -- in arrest at the local and
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state level. there is little the federal government can actually do to stop states from doing this. host: you talked about the public polling. this is from cbs news. newswas conducted by cbs in april of 2017. the question is should marijuana use be illegal? the support has picked up over the years, as you can see here. we have rick calling from annapolis, maryland. a republican. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: what is on your mind? caller: ok. i wanted a comment from bill. d.c., theyed in interviewed the top principle of one of the local high schools.
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it had a 40% dropout rate. her what was the problem here? she said, well, let me call these young black boys and to the auditorium and tell them they need to stay in high school. get a high school diploma so they can go out and be like a manager at mcdonald's making $35,000 a year. you know what they told us? are you crazy? we can go out and sell drugs like marijuana and make $300 or $400 a day. she said i could not compete. bill, what of the consequences for people that sell drugs to make a living? don't make a medical issue. i'm talking about the dealers. should there be consequences for selling marijuana, carolyn, etc. -- heroin, etc.?
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guest: that's a good question. as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. someone will sell it at some price. the thing about drug prohibition, just like alcohol prohibition, it makes substances far more expensive and profitable than they otherwise would be. we have to look at the other side of the equation. we have millions of americans, tens of millions actually, who have been arrested for possessing or selling a substance who now have a criminal conviction which make it hard for them to get a job, hard to get housing. conviction follows them for life. it is ultimately -- we cannot arrest our way out of this problem. one advantage of legalization is it out ofkes have --
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the underground and puts it into a regulated environment we can regulate the marijuana, tax the marijuana, established eight controls. we are hoping -- california is a good example. voters just approved legalization in the last election. they are earmarking their money to treatment and education, etc., reinvesting it in the communities that have been most affected by marijuana and the war on marijuana. it is just a lot cheaper to spend money on prevention and housing and jobs in other than warehousing people behind bars. host: some information from the national and to on drug abuse. how does marijuana affect a person life to your to those who don't use marijuana? those that use heavily report lower life satisfaction, for mental health, for physical health -- poor mental and
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physical health, and more relationship problems. guest: it does not mean correlation. etc.,eone is doing bad, they are more like you to break the law generally and thus more likely to use marijuana. there is no actual evidence that orijuana causes brain damage any number of things. ultimately it is like alcohol or anything else. you can abuse it. we need to do a better job of educating kids. but to blame social ills that andely stemmed from poverty broken families and a number of issues on marijuana is a copout. policymakers like that cap else in the don't have to address the other issue. host: talking about legalizing marijuana.
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the attorney general' -- the attorney general's push to crack down on it. democrats called (202) 748-8000. republicans call (202) 748-8001. independents can call (202) 748-8002. nick on the line for democrats. you are on the line. caller: good morning. how are you? i would just like to bring up the idea of the fact that we need to attack -- we need to attach violence and violent crime in association with alcohol and alcohol abuse in this country. theing marijuana for all ales and problems, a lot of knowledge of people, it has affected peoples' lives in ways. the conversation they are having here without including alcohol and the problems and abuses it
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society, bringing a prohibition before it was the right thing to do. anytime something is prohibited the way it is in this manner for hypocritical, racist, and class reasons, there is no way to set policy or to do anything regarding this issue. it should be taken off the schedule one class of drugs. it is not in the same class. the idea -- the fellow that called about the black people, white people, hispanic people, asian people, people of the world. it is grown naturally all around the world. you don't have to process it or do anything with it. if you don't want to use it, you don't have to. when something is natural in nature it must have a reason and a purpose for being there. has to be utilized
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in a fashion without it being processed and without it being taken from one substance or one thing and turn into another. you can't just pick barley, week and rye and drink it. there is much more violence associated with alcohol in this country than there ever will be with marijuana and marijuana users. guest: i agree. -- alcohol is in many ways more troubling than marijuana. the research shows that people driving under the influence of alcohol is far more dangerous than driving under the influence of marijuana, although people should not drive on either. there does seem to be a correlation at least with domestic violence and people using marijuana have a lower rate of domestic violence the thene who use alcohol --
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people who use alcohol. drinking at a sporting event, the violence is far greater than at an event like a smoke in for something like that. all,uana -- on top of it there is no amount of marijuana that a person could smoke that would result in a fatal overdose. whereas people can suffer from alcohol overdoses that are fatal. most of the opiate and heroin overdoses we read about in the news involved alcohol. that is not to say alcohol should be prohibited for the same reasons that you mentioned. prohibition does not work. it is hypocritical to focus on marijuana but not alcohol. host: the marijuana policy project has a map of different states that eased restrictions,
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ranging from having lost the love for medicinal marijuana to the ones that tax and regulate marijuana in ways that are similar to the way the tax regulate alcohol. your group is key to washington, d.c., the district relaxing some of its marijuana restrictions. how has that gone so far? arrests for marijuana possession are down. that is a plus. the head -- d.c. had some of the biggest racial disparities in the country. was marijuana use occurring in ward 1, a very affluent district. most of the arrests were south of the river. we're really glad that happened. host: south of the river is comprised of -- guest: largely the black
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population in d.c., and certainly a higher rate of lower income than ward 1. even though the use rates were higher in the affluent fought in the war was certain communities. when we ran that campaign along with dcmj, a local group, we found a lot of voters, especially in the lower income communities were very concerned about the long-term impact of marijuana arrests on people's ability to get jobs and loans, etc. unfortunately, d.c. voters passed that but then congress prohibited them from taxing and regulating marijuana. we have legal marijuana, legal
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to possess and grow, but the underground still exists because congress is standing in the way. host: good morning, tonya. caller: good morning. onant to start by saying june 28 i got through to c-span. sometimes your fun people ask what is your comment going to be? they did not like my comment so they hung up on me. i tried many times to call back in recent days on this subject. they would not let me through. last night i got a new phone number and now they let me through. i called the better business bureau. i will be the first and only want to file a complaint on c-span. i called the acu because i felt
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like my freedom of speech was in jeopardy. host: you got through now. what is your comment on the segment we are talking about? guest: my comment that day was it's a shame everybody wants to be so sensitive of both the -- about the opium use and have so much compassion, but people who smoke erewhon a or do other kind of drawing, they have to be t -- kind of drugs, they have to be thugs and locked up. why don't the budget people put the money for the opium and marijuana addicts in the same pool and not try to be cute by users?ing the opium they showed for a
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police station has set up a core r -- corridor to help people with opium addiction. people with marijuana don't do that kind of compassion. guest: you raise a very good point. if you look at the war on drugs, it escalated in the 1980's when the popular image of who smoked crack -- that it was an inner-city, african-american thing. even if the majority of crack white.ere and are now of opiates and pain medication, etc., we see a lot of policymakers that have a far more compassionate approach to that drug because of the media image of the opiate or
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pain medication user as being a white and rural. there is no doubt the policymakers have adopted more progressive, compassionate s then somer opiate of the other substance is, including marijuana. -- substances, including marijuana. that has to do with the race an image of who is using it. host: "marijuana is brain poison. federal law says it is a schedule 1 controlled substance and we will enforce the law." what is your reaction to that? guest: we have been enforcing the law for decades. 30 million people have been arrested for marijuana and it is still widely available. regardless of the person's personal concerns, states are
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moving forward with legalization. eight states have legalized marijuana like alcohol and more states are going to legalize marijuana and 2018, 2020 and beyond. stage or should marijuana be legal and at the stage of how should it be legalized and what is the best way. host: tom writes "with legalizing drugs for the cartels' power? guest: it might. we have seen that the legalization of medical marijuana in california and some of the other states, that the decrease in profits of the suspectand i legalization of marijuana across the board in the u.s. would take away all the revenue that the
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cartels receive from marijuana. cartels are into a lot of things, other substances, are into a lot of things that other substances, kidnapping, extortion, etc., but if we can take away the marijuana profits, that is at least hurting them. -- more tweet are federally chartered banks still apprehensive about opening accounts for authorized marijuana outlets? guest: yes, even though there is never been a case of our government going after ita bank for accept the money. it has been a huge problem for states that have legalized marijuana because in addition to having to fight for money, they have a part-time doing payroll -- hard time doing payroll


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