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the group third way, lanae erickson hatalsky, their vice president for social policy and politics. good morning. thanks for coming on. 2018,survey looks at particularly how democrats might be able to win back the house. what were you trying to get with this survey? guest: 2018 is the focus of a lot of democrats right now. a lot of folks are saying democrats should just run for the suburbs, the places where they picked up votes in 2016 and not worry about the trump voters. we looked at districts that democrats would have to win back the houseajority in and realized you cannot get there just by going through the suburbs. a category ofn in places with different problems and different economic situations they are dealing with. call these majority major districts. the report is on our website am and there are highlights of
these districts. they are categorized in four ways. suburban areas, left behind, nonconformist districts -- some are self-explanatory. guest: the suburban districts are places are democrats did better than they had in the past in those places, but those places are growing and thriving in the new economy. most people are college educated, more than the general population, and they are trending in the democrats direction. there are only 14 of those that democrats could actually pick up. the left behind areas are places that are not as connected to the new economy. people are not doing as well there. they feel like they are being pretty squeeze, and there are not a lot of college graduates in those places. there are 12 democrats that are incumbents in those places, and there is no mathematical way to get to the majority without keeping those. then there are the diverse
fast-growing regions, which are little more connected to the new economy than the left behind areas, but they are not as college-educated. there are a lot of folks feeling like they're moving forward in a good way but still are not available economically than the thriving suburban districts. then there are some nonconformist districts that do not fall into any of those categories. the upshot is democrats cannot get to the math they need for the majority without winning in every single one of those kind of districts. host: the messaging has to be a serious concern for the democratic party. how do you reach out for those in the crowd said voted for president trump? guest: people want to feel like people care about what is going on in their daily lives and in the economy in their area, and they feel like democrats have been really focused on urban on the coast, and not places that have struggled in the new economy. they want to make sure that
whoever they've vote for is focusing on jobs and their economic struggles and daily lives, and really making things better for them and not just concentrated on those other things. host: we will look at these areas across the country and what it means for democrats in my be interested in taking back the house. 202-748-8000 for democrats. for republicans, it is 202-748-8001. .ndependents, 202-748-8002 if you are a democrat who voted for president from and you want to tell us why, 202-748-8003. we saw the democrats last week go down to virginia and talk about this better way forward, and message of economics. thatis the kind of message will have to reach out to these favors areas then? guest: there are three good things about a better deal, the new messaging that the house and senate released last week. it shows that they are not just against trump.
they are not watching trump's twitter everyday and are not so concerned about the daily goings-on in the white house that we are. they really care about how their lives are going to be made better. it shows the democrats have an agenda to do that. they are very focused on the economy, which is what people want to talk about, and it shows we care about jobs, their number one concern. also, it is a broad message that does not just try to take people by demographic group and give them each their thing. in 2016lem folks had was that held democrats really spoke to each group separately and sometimes do not speak to their group at all. latinos abouttold immigration, told millennials about paying for congress. thoseind of folds all of takes a or at least step in the right direction. deal onu can watch that
the website, c-span.org. you can find the study and survey that our guest did, a little bit about third way and its purpose. tank ine are a think d.c., and we focus on trying to understand voters in the middle and swing voters and also trying to offer modern policies that will help us thrive in our changing economy. comes on ourall democratic line from las vegas, nevada. anthony, you are on with lanae erickson hatalsky. caller: it is interesting. we have these people from think tanks who kind of want to tell us how to think. i was a sanders voter in the primaries. there were a lot of things of the democratic party -- there is a lot of things the democratic party will have to do if they want to win, and they are not doing that now, like picking
kamala harris up in the hamptons as the chosen candidate. we need to work on our primaries, have fair primaries. our last primary was completely rigged, and you guys know that. you don't cover that, and you make sure to keep that out of the news. now i am in online groups with hundreds of thousands of sanders supporters, and you guys better listen to what -- this is basically their message -- we do not get our primaries together and allow the people to pick the candidate, instead of the candidates being picked in back rooms smoking cigars like they are arguing in the dnc lawsuit they have the right to do, then the democratic party will be destroyed. laid: i think the caller into something a lot of folks are concerned about right now, which is that our political system is broken and some way. when people say the system is rigged, when you dig deeper and you say, what do you mean by
that, they say the political system is rigged. they are frustrated with how things are going in this town and feel the system is not responsive to them. i think a big component longer-term is to show that they are being responsive to that and offering reforms that will make our electoral system and our political system more representative of the people. as the party of government, all the democrat solutions require the government to do something at to work. and if people do not believe it can work, it is difficult to get them to believe it can do anything else. host: your study looks at what is needed to retake the house. what are the actual numbers needed as far as seats gained? guest: democrats need to pick up to a four of these seats in the districts.king they need to hold 24 and take that 24 more. when you look at the categories, there are 14 in the suburbs they need to take him a 12 they hold
in the left behind areas. republicans hold all of the nonconformist districts, so they have to figure out ways to address those places. they would also need to pick up some and the divers fast-growing regions. host: sounds like a tall order. guest: it is. host: from minnesota, independent line. caller: good morning to you. obviously your guest is from minnesota, it looks like. the question i have is, you know, when your website says you are a centrist think tank but then you say you are left of the third it is about way, i do not understand with the third way is. you're basically progressive. council,n obama's whatever that is. you are basically just a left-wing think tank that is out for the democrats. this hear is they need
many number of senators are this toy number of house members take it over, basically a democratic party think tank. tell me why you are not. guest: we are a centerleft think tank and work more with democrats than with republicans, especially in political works, but we also work with republicans across the aisle on different issues, working on higher education right now, working on clean energy with a lot of republicans. party's best the river through the center, that the democratic party is a good vehicle because it needs to have so many moderates within it in achieve a loto of the centerleft policies we want to see, and that is what we concentrate on. we are trying to drive the conversation towards the center but knowing we are living in a two-party system that we feel is here to stay, at least for now, so we have two works are one of the parties. host: democratic line, call from
maryland. jerry, go ahead. caller: i got a copy of a the intelligence professionals for sanity. it has not shown up anywhere too much lately. i got a copy. this report is written by a former nsa director and an independent analyst, retired ibm and also -- er, host: tell me your point. what are you trying to say? cia analyst.mer the point is the russian so-called hack -- it was not a hack, it was a leak from the inside. the dnc problem, what they did
to bernie sanders, you know, favoring hillary clinton's nomination, was provided the opportunity for people that did to like that idea to leak wikileaks. host: the bernie sanders affect, two callers now. about what the democratic party has to address? is oneif there overwhelming message from the 2016 election is voters wanted change and did not feel democrats were offering change. they want to see some thing new from democrats. when you ask people right now which party is most likely to change washington, they actually still save republicans. flip same,s not democrats will be in trouble or people are still very frustrated with this town. having that agenda and offering
some reforms about our electoral system is a way to start capturing being the party of change and the party of bringing new things to washington. line,republican shreveport, louisiana, lisa. caller: hi, pedro. please let me talk to this lady. the problem i have with the democrats and republicans is spying,the nsa wikileaks, debbie washington schulz, loretta lynch -- we do not trust our government anymore. we do not trust you. you are a hack, a loser. goodbye. there is aink similar feeling for multiple people, just that they do not trust people and washington. they want to see changes to both the system and to the people here to make sure that it is being responsive to their needs.
i think that goes across the political spectrum, left to right. host: as part of the package of the survey, you highlight some of these legislators that exist within these various groups. to start with the thriving group, you highlight two, a republican from new jersey, erik paulsen, republican from minnesota. individualthose legislators? what does it say about the communities? guest: it was to show that you have to have a diversity of different kinds of people in any these places.n erik paulsen is not the same kind of representative as mark meadows from north carolina. they have different folks they are appealing to, and that is why they are winning in their districts. they are finding a different way to represent the people and their districts. that is what democrats would need to do to take back the majority. with amoderated a panel ,epresentative from washington
a representative from missouri, and senator manchin, and they are pretty center of the road. they talked about needing to be a different kind of democrat, needing to show that they were listening to people who did not agree with them, that they would engage with people and understand with their concerns work and not just dismiss them, and that they were not focused on trying to turn out the base. host: is our in areas that do pretty well economically, educationally, everything like that. then there are these left behind areas that you spoke about. what is special about the people in those areas? guest: i think democrats at have figured out how to win in left behind areas, they have figured out how to address the economic concerns of the people and their districts, and they are laser focused on that, not distracted by other issues of the day or by trying to turn out the base with
specific super left policies. just saying, what does my community need? where do we find jobs? how do we make their economic lives better? people have responded to that. host: on the line for democrats who voted for donald trump, this is john from houston, texas. caller: big bernie sanders supported. elizabeth warren would have been the better woman candidate. probably would have been my choice if he had been a candidate. trump because they figured he would do what is happening, blowing up the republican party. republicans who would really have a backbone to stand up to what is going on in washington right now. guest: this caller and other seven dictated that most of the country is really not looking
for the extremes on ideology, that they are looking for somebody to kind of breakthrough this partisanship and polarization. that is indicative across the board. moderates are the biggest group in the electorate. groupls are the smallest and the electric and have been since we started doing tracking polls. and conservatives are kind of in the middle. doesates have already always been the plurality. moderates and conservatives are even democrats do not have the majority of liberals within their coalition. a lot of need to win those folks in the center to win the majority. it republicans have a slightly bigger base, so they start with 70% of their voters are conservative, and they need to -- a fee more moderates. few more moderates. host: a writer for national
review said this about political moderates and progressives, -- the clintons have been steadily driven out of the party and favor of the hillary clinton's, and the motto of the leaders of the democratic party today is that nothing goes untouched. in themany moderates party shows they have not been drummed out. i think there are folks that say what needs to happen is a swing to the left, and they want to appear a five the party and do it the tea party did back in 2010 -- want to do a fight the party and do what the tea party did back in 2010. it has not worked it and the democratic party, and i think that is a good thing. there have been several attempts to primary more moderate members, and and has never been successful in recent memory.
it means we have a slightly different dynamic on the left than we do on the right. lanaeour guest is erickson hatalsky of third way, vice president for social policy and politics. this is chris on our independent line. hi. agree: yes, i actually need to guest that you be like a centerleft party. when you go to far to the left or to far to the right, extremes infiltrate the party. the caller from vegas talked about the democratic party, and that tells you something, it is called the democratic party. you see all these conspiracy theories and you get online and see things about people doing back room deals and smoking cigars and picking candidates. it is the voters who choose the candidates.
who choose thes candidates. there are too many conspiracy theories, and i think we need to the left within the democratic party but not extreme to the left. host: when you say move to extremes, what do you mean by that? conspiracies, like i am constantly going to social media and i see things about pizza-gate. what is the other one? host: you mean specifics from the last campaign? caller: yes, like pizza-gate. forgot the other one when hillary clinton was sick and they talked about she had parkinson's. that comes from the far left. host: thanks. guest: i think the need to appeal to voters in the middle is evident this year. we have two big gubernatorial
races in 2017. looking at the exit polls from the last few gubernatorial races, moderates have been the biggest group. 44% of the vote in virginia. 49% of the vote in new jersey. so there is a really for those candidates to win moderates. if they do not win moderates, they will not able to get those government races no matter how many people are energized. host: it is a dead heat in the governor's race in virginia. guest: that is right, so moderates will very much be the king maker there. host: when democratic party's talk, they line themselves with social issues like reproductive rights be at do you do with it? guest: we did research with voters in battleground states, and what they said about social issues is that they were mostly fine with where the democratic party was. these were kind of swing voters. but they said i need you to focus on my daily concerns.
that, yes, they were very supportive, in particular, of things like marriage for gay couples. they had moved a lot on some of those issues. that they did not see it as a number one concern. so they felt like it was being used to appeal to certain groups within the electorate and overly focused on when they were saying , what is going on with my jobs, and what is happening with my paycheck and being able to support my family? they want to see a focus on their priorities in a way they did not feel like happened in the last campaign. host: democratic line, jacksonville, florida. hi. hello? jacksonville, florida? let's go to gregory in silver spring, maryland, democrat's line. caller: good morning, ms. hatalsky. by the way, this is just for c-span, i love the program. but you guys should have the name of the host or moderator up and available at all times for
us to see just so we can remember. i think the last caller referred to you as edward. host: it is ok. direct your thoughts and questions to the guest. caller: ms. hatalsky, ok, i feel personally that most damage currently being done, and i really appreciate your feedback about this, is the gerrymandered district as far as congress goes , and that is locking up the system. guest: yeah, that is a great point that people are focused on. there are new organizations, including attorney general eric holder and president obama hold, that are focused on redistricting. gerrymandering is a problem. but what people do not realize is it is not the entire problem. one reason is that democrats and more liberal voters started to live in similar places.
they have concentrated themselves in terms of where they live. so if most of them are tightly in the in cities, it is hard to draw districts where they are going to be representative. republican voters have spread themselves out more evenly across the country, so they are kind of and efficiently distributed. there are some states were redistricting is a major issue, democrats could pick up somewhere between eight and 15 seats in the house if it were evenly distributed. if we have democrats needing to pick up 24 seats in the house, so even if we could wave a magic wand and fix the problem, there would still need to be persuasion to win in some of those districts. i think the polarization has even been statewide, so if the senate polarization does not have anything to do with gerrymandering, that is folks running statewide that have not had any districting at all. so i think there are deeper
problems we have to deal with, but gerrymandering is a problem and definitely one of the things on that menu. host: a democrat from east berlin, pennsylvania, judy. i wanted to add another voice for democrats who the they were cheated by way the democratic national committee handled bernie sanders. his message was across the board. what he was doing was economic, issues minimum wage -- economic issues, minimum wage, job availability, health care, single-payer. far lefte calling this liberal progressive thinking, but it is not. it is basically that people want to be up to live comfortably and there is no mechanism for it now. as far as gerrymandering, it is a problem that needs to be dealt with. citizens united needs to be overturned. having corporations being able to throw in as much money as they want with no accountability
is skewing our elections. makes careink it this idea that our political system is not really working is across the board in the electorate. it is the number one driver of the anger we see, i think. a business ornger even a concentration of wealth this town.r at it is a political populism, not an economic populism, that we see. it is true of liberals and moderates. host: looking at nancy pelosi, who spoke yesterday on one of the news shows. she said on sunday that it was an important for democrats to win the midterm elections in 2018 -- it was unimportant. important is is that we have a lively debate on a better deal. what do you think about that message? guest: i think folks always want
to make sure they are not setting the bar too high for themselves. lot to pick up in a midterm year when democrats do not have their voters turn out as much. they have done worse every single midterm and the past few years and do better in the presidential. folks do not want to set themselves up for winning back the house as the only metric of success in 2018. but i think it is illustrative when you look across at all the different places we need to win. talking folks have been about the 2016 election and russian hacking and other things, but if you look at the last 10 years, democrats have averaged up and down the ballot, and that is not limited to donald trump. they started losing in 2010, and it has been going lower and lower since then. they have lost 1000 state legislative seats over that time. they have lost about 25% of their house members, about 20% of their senate members, about
45% of the governor's. this is clearly a deeper problem of the party needing to figure out how it resonates with the voters and not just one particular election, and it will not be fixed by one election either. host: what about leadership in the democratic party -- is there a change needed? do we need that to bring about new results and elections? guest: if you look back to 2006, which is the last time we had a in the housewin and took back the chamber, nancy pelosi was leading a then and was working with rahm emanuel to make sure there were candidates in these districts that represented the districts, not necessarily her district. my hometown congressman collin peterson is not a nancy pelosi liberal, but he is part of her caucus, and she continues to be very supportive of that. i think she has shown in the past to the rest of the
leadership that they want to see a diverse caucus and know they need to work on winning folks in the middle and in this thriving suburban areas and in the left behind areas and in the kind of growing diverse areas. i think they will continue to show that. host: independent line. from michigan, diane, you're next. caller: thanks for taking my call. i have a comment to make about voting. it only happens every four years, this particular scenario, and that is the superdelegates for the democratic party. that is what they always lose. hillary lost in 2008 and lost again this past time for many reasons but not just because of trump. and democrats not wanting to vote, i did not follow the scenario, but in colorado i hear d the heather primary, and
suddenly -- had their primary, and suddenly democrats just voted themselves. i do not know the particulars. but what do you have to say about the superdelegates? i believe they should not -- guest: yes, we wrote a big piece lester saying we should end caucuses and look at these primary systems -- we wrote a big piece last year. and a lot of places where bernie won, there were a couple hundred people deciding the outcome in that state versus the primary states where tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands , of people voted, and hillary clinton was running those places. so there is a real kind of mismatch when you have a couple hundred party activists making a decision versus the voters. that is another place where we need to say reform. 2018,looking forward to where do you get the sense that
ideas as far as winning back the house will be happening? where do you look to? guest: you have to look at a couple different though whether districts. you can look to some of those districts and orange county, the thriving suburban areas, look to a couple of places in the to see how people are doing in the left behind areas. if those incumbent democrats can continue to win in those left behind areas and we can pick up some of the suburban areas, there is a good chance of them having a good night. host: thirdway.org. lanae erickson hatalsky is there social policy and politics vice president. coming up next, we are going to talk about the political hurdles that republicans face as they work on tax reform, especially with what happened with health care. we will get perspective from the former ways and means committee chair l archer, republican of
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