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number of years for citicorp and of america and i had worked for transportation companies, so background was in transportati it is nice to return to a field i had worked previously and it is nice to be in a department i'm familiar. >> watch out interview with chao, secretary of transportation in the trump friday, 8 p.m. eastern on c-span and c-span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. focuses on ollins from center eninsu, for strategic and international studies. missile test tic and the u.s. test launched a put the f his own, current tension in the korean perspective, when was the last time tensions were
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this high? >> august 2015 there was a land mine explosion on the demill tarized zone and a lot of talk, rhetoric around that time about the koreas doing something round the dnz, a time of high tension, as well. do missile korea testing over the last year or wo, their testing pattern has expanded exponentially, even this year they have done a total missile tests over a so i think that e've seen them exponentially increase their missile testing, as well. host: you study korean peninsula, lived in seoul, what eeps you up at night, what worries you over there? >> the thing that keeps me up at night is thinking about the
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spiral l for unintended effect in the increase in tension. a example, if there was missile test that happened and hen there was a response from south korea or a surrounding country in the region and there counter-reaction spiral that got out of hand, hat is something that worries me. host: how do we lower the tensions after another test, with a e u.s. responded test of its own, after the u.s. the korean peninsula? what are our options? >> we've seen secretary engaging talk about with diplomacy, an eventual goal we want to get to in order to to to a negotiated deal stop north korea nuclear program here is also deterrents that the u.s. continuously is ramping
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up and that includes sending b-1b bombers and aircraft arriers to the region, helping reassure allies, south korea and japan about readiness to protect countries if the need comes. i think it is important to keep dialogue open between the united states and countries, as g much as possible. host: you mention secretary statements, cent here is what he had to say. >> the options available to us, understand are limited. and particularly, if we think we a short ting under period of time, we felt the ppropriate thing to do first, seek peaceful pressure on the regime in north korea, have them willingness to sit and talk with us and others with understanding condition of those talks is there is no future for orth korea holds nuclear weapons or ability to deliver
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nuclear weapons to anyone in the the n, much less to homeland n. doing so, we sought o partner with china, china accounts for 90% of economic activity with north korea, the clear with us en that we share the same denuclearized korean anyone's, it is not in interest. china has ways they can put and influence the north korean regime because of else lationship no one has. we've been very clear with the chinese, certainly don't blame chinese for the situation in north korea, only north korea is the situation. we believe china has a special and unique relationship because significant economic activity to influence the north no one egime in ways else can. that is why we continue to call that influence with north korea to create the
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conditions, where we can have a dialogue. host: lisa collins on those by rex tillerson, do they represent a shift in the trump administration's approach? i don't believe so, i think ultimately secretary theerson is signalling that u.s. wants to eventually move to ialogue, negotiations, which would help stop north korea nuclear program, i don't think he is saying that the lift up on on will their maximum pressure and engagement policy. he's obviously said here they want to engage china and more pressure on north korea, i think that is part of the overall policy that going forward.g i think that this involves engagement with the countries in region, south korea, chien as ramp-up sanctions they have been talking about this week. they work toward the dialogue and hopefully getting
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lowering the penin sula,e korean region areisfied the adequate to defend against what might happen today or tomorrow? think that what we have now, we're definitely working on in ding the systems we have place. for example, we have a fad system, which has been deployed south korea, part of the system still needs to be put in place.d to be 100% effective and of ourse we have missile systems tested in alaska and i think most recently in hawaii, as well. i do think that testing gives the american public a sense of the systems are effective and in place in case korea decides to shoot a missile at the united states homeland. is more work that will be done in the future in
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terms of missile defense, in working with south korea and japan tochlt join in the conversation with lisa working with the korea chair at center for strategic and international republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. 202-748-8002. evansville, first in indiana, a republican. go ahead. caller: yes, i want to make a comment. seems like north korea is trying their missile capability where they can strike the united states or any other but i think that could e a ploy where they might put it on a submarine and sneak it nder the water, do we have any defenses to track their subs or whatever? defenses, is ave that what you ask, keith? guest: yes, the united states defenses that track north
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submarines and there are submarines around the korean peninsula, in case they decide to sneak a missile on a submarine. is testing north korea is doing with regard it submarine missiles, they don't quite have 100% accuracy with regard to united states does have the technology. host: do you think north korea korean e crisis on the peninsulato end? o they justify the dictatorship? guest: yes, definitely. i think that is part of the with ramping up talk about war, oftentimes that kim jong-un e of and north korean regime more than anything else, they use rationale and excuse for building up their own defenses country and for controlling the people. the north korean people inside country. as you know, north korea is a
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surveillance state, it basically its power and control from surveilling its own people and repressing its own people. i think that in some circumstances, works against us and works for the north korean own e to control their people. host: if north korea gets into the arms race and tries to to everything that happens on the korean penince have resources to do that, it could exhaust the dictatorship? guest: north korea get resources from different sources. we know trade with chien china, 90% of trade is with china. they sell mineral to countrys funding, foreign currency from illegal operations north korea. we've heard many things they have done before, selling drugs, selling counterfeit cigarettes,
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ways they earn currency so they it feeds development of nuclear weapon and laliftic missile program. own people, r sometimes to countries outside of north korea to earn through work, through logging, forestry in russia and channelsces, those are of currents that he feed the we are rean regime trying to crack down on or cut off with some sanctions, the uni-lateral sanctions we are trying to put in place now. about the an talk effectiveness of the sanctions, but in iowa, line for democrats, go ahead. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. maybe she kind of answered my question, it was my nderstanding that russia and china continually trade with orth korea and that's what keeps that regime propped up all the time f. they would stop and what can hem we do? what can we do to make sure they
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stop trading with them? that is what keeps them propped of especially -- well, both them, but russia. host: go ahead. thought you were done. i think that we're trying to engage china and russia on a work in theonts and united nations security council on sanctions to impose on north korea. we also try and engage with the chinese government to talk about of tradeown the amount that they currently engage in with north korea. sanctions, secondary sanctions we've seen most out of the trump administration are an attempt to get the chinese government to pressure on to north korea and secondary sanctions targeting chinese entities within the country, that are china, trading, working with north clandestinely to ship materials that they need
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or nuclear weapons program or missile program into the country and also help them to funnel or also gain foreign currency that goes back into the country. united states e is working on a number of fronts, diplomatically and through economic pressure to get the chinese and russian forceful s to be more and implement more pressure on north korea in a lot of ways.ent host: to give a sense of how is, tive the pressure "u.s.a. today" has story today, regarded as ruthless, not crazy. going up in are pyongyang and luxury goods are stores, the some economy grew 3.9% last year, the largest increase since 1999, according to south korea central bank. guest: i think there are a
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number of ways the north korean currency, and we see that developments inside the country, new construction of the building are a result of north orea being able to earn currency. unfortunately, north korea is very good at adapting and they a lot of different sanctions that we put in place lready over the last several decades. i think what is important about the new round of sanctions, the direction n of, they are much more -- they re stronger and many more entities we are naming whereas in the past, we had been entities to name because of the fear that some of he companies and financial institutions inside china would -- if we sanctioned them, damage the u.s.-china relationship. host: making them harder to to?t guest: north korea will adapt quickly as possible to what -- as much as they can, but i
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think if we ramp up the than in more quickly the past, this will cut down on heir ability to adapt as quickly. host: mississippi, robert, an independent, good morning. right here? host: yes, sir, robert, go ahead. all, i'd ah, first of ike to find out if we have a set system in south korea aimed domicile and 's does he know that? guest: so i don't know the pecifics of that myself, but i do know that the united states is monitoring activities through ways, ty of different hrough satellites, through radars and different things like that. i don't specifically finish we capability aimed at residence. and his
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option is the u.s. using air strike or special decapitate north korea national command authority so in the ground sweep on from south korea to seize pyongyang. military hts on that option? guest: unfortunately, i don't option is military workable in any sense, especially because of the damage it would probably incur on he neighbors, south korea and japan both of north korea retaliation following any type of strike. unfortunately, when people think about options, they don't necessarily think about things, such as about located in. citizens south korea, in seoul and larger cities f. anything were to happen, it would automatically citizens in the
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countrys and south korean citizens. is really not war or action over there in south korea or affecting real americans, i think we have to keep that in mind. bolton ould note john not advocating specific option r that military option saying military planners should be pouring through the operational of potential military strike zone. policy makers often begin options for north korea and beyond since similar issues iran and e regarding other proliferrators. today's "wall street journal" on page.pinion beverly in d.c., line for democrats. go ahead. caller: thank you. you. my suggestion to you, all of you and i must say and we must the genesis of the bible and also in the when the board was abroad and yes -- listen through your phone, why should we be thinking
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bout the bible here as we're having this discussion? obama because in the beginning od made everybody, you, me, everybody, the world, the earth, he made us people. beverly, answer through your phone there. call us back again, we'll continue to have the discussion. jeff in nebraska, line for republicans. jeff, go ahead. really think that it is time, i mean, we've done years and for so many sxha ahead and e go deploy fthey will allow it, japan weapon necessary and okinawa, and maybe thailand, they were accept them. philippines, any allies over them, just ill take go ahead and do it. with.t over and maybe that will change the
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interim, hina and the we ought to start doing trade we in our own, in south america, in central same a, we can get the product from them and help them and to hell with china. jeff, would you worry about all the countries having years to apons in come? caller: absolutely not, why everybody else has them, makes no difference. if we give them certain amount weapons on their continent, that's it. they're there. china, then i'll guarantee ou that will change china and russia's mind when they see the nuclear weapons are being deployed. host: does that worry you, that plan? guest: it does worry me, i do deploying u.s. nuclear weapons are tactical weapons, if you want to say it that way, to
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the region and other countries i don't think that is the solution at this point. it may in a sense get china to attention, but may lead to arms race in the region and i thing the is the last united states wants at this point. georgia, linefrom for democrats, good morning. caller: good morning. comments ue with some of your guest. have't think north koreans belligerent intention with the u.s., i think they learned a what from watching happened to gaddafi and libya. i think they are using nuclear as ram and in particular they look at our aggressive politics, with the war games, are continuously on their border. are nk the north koreans using that as deterrent. of -- that kim looked
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place in libyaen comment when what happened that they learned about giving up their noose and want to keep their tose as deterrent and threat america. host: got it. north korea hink did learn a lesson from libya, nd i think there are two objectives, one is deterrent effect. the other is to push the boundary of what north korea can and i think we have to remember that north totalitarian regime, they are never satisfied with quo, and need a certain enemy to consolidate power inside their country. kim jong-un is doing with his nuclear weapons program and creating an enemy states.the united he's using that to control his
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own people. be deterrent effecti objective to kim jong-un's program. patternee that with the of testing f. it was deterrent, to do dn't have a need continuous missile testing he's been involved in. independent, go ahead. caller: top of the morning to you. solution.adical china is one of the largest korea. with south instead of being adversary, like last 60 een for the years, why don't we start trying winorth korea and basically open the regime up instead of having them as an adversary? his would take one thing away from kim jong-un that you basically just talked about and is we would be friends, he
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would take an enemy away. much.you very guest: so we actually have tried this in the past, tried to trade korea.orth the united states has sanctions n place to prevent trade, but south korea has traded with past.korea in the here was a joint project need north korea and south korean workers. that was point of engagement and trade with north korea. of ave seen those types projects in the past have not been success envelope meeting the objective you just talked to open north korea up. they have actually just gone on further orth korea's military, they use money they sxment thate engage trade in order to build up their program. that is hink necessarily the greatest solution, although in the perspective, we would
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want to see north korea open up we can ormal country trade with, that would be way long-term. your what are best ways in mind to reach the north korean people, go around the regime to message of wanting to open the country up to the people on the ground there. best way of the system get outside information into north korea, a number of radio broadcast. a number of organizations in regular radiogo's broadcast into north korea that reach the north korean people. we know this because of testimony from defectors coming out. at csa, ave a project center for strategic and international studies, where e've been trying to get information from inside the ountry and interview north koreans, partner withing the interesting information about that.
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respondents who answer our get a large d they percent of information from radio broadcasts and other outside information, like south korean movies the u.s. or ugh into north korea. we can that is one way influence the north korea people n the ground, getting outside information in there. the reason it influences them is because that information shows are getting and it is incorrect and wrong. host: can the u.s. government a larger role in doing that or are these outside groups talking about sort of the best way to do that right now? uest: i think the way that the united states government can help is by providing some some of the groups doing that work. rights act, up, again,
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for renewal this year, i think can provide good way for set aside grant money for the organizations doing good work. more calls, gus, line for republicans, go ahead. yes, good morning, thank you for c-span, i really appreciate the show so much. i'm just wondering how this guy power.sibly stay in he sounds like he's a totally nut job, if you will. his people d practically starve to death, hey don't have enough food and i really like the idea of the adio broadcasts, you know, if shine and light to and how miserable their lives the rest of the
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world, i just would hope somehow a way to rise up and dispose of this guy. because he is nothing but evil, understand.can guest: so i think you're right, getting information nto the country and having -- change their own living conditions. lot of lly have seen a developments on this front inside north korea. here are markets that are state-owned h markets and black markets, one potential the most in terms of separating the north people from their regime. space that surround
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can work to -- could give them some power and ability work s in the future to for change in their country and regime.inst the current host: richard in california, a republican, go ahead. morning, john. i go back a long way, long time were doing en we studies on north korea in the s, kim jong-un was in charge. knew back then once -- we were going to have issues with him. i don't understand why we can't ut stronger pressure on china to cut some of their trade with north koreans to help out
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with the situation. just curious what you think about that? guest: so i do think we're trying on many fronts to put china.onal pressure on it is important to realize that our interests, of the united chinese natural interests don't always align perfectly and i think that is that we find in working with china to put on north pressure korea. china's objectives are first, no second, no instability, that doesn't always align with the u.s. priorities, primarily no nuclear weapons and instability. i think oftentimes we have to work closely with china to try align the priorities at the right time and i think what the u.s. government is doing right the n terms of ramping up
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secondary sanctions targeting working with es north korea, i think that is one avenue where we can see hopefully pressure korea.ll work on north host: get in lorenzo, leesville, democrats, ine for go ahead. caller: yes, sir, thanks for my call. i think the u.s. should start evacuating and getting americans and have the south koreans start pulling their out and once you get all koreans icans and south get out, go ahead and send them a nuke. going -- he's going to nuke us. you.k host: strike first approach. again, so unfortunately, striking first
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is the most catastrophic because of the secondary effects and 100% that north korea would respond, whether with another uclear weapon of their own or artillery strikes on seoul or japan, the keos -- s are -- see allcollins at csis.org.k at thanks for your time. host: up next, we end our canram with open phones, we talk about any topics we've discussed today, north korea, tax reform, potential changes to u.s. immigration system or any other public policy issue you want to talk about. phone lines are on the screen. custart call nothing now, we'll be right back.
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