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a number of students one honorable mentions and $250 for them. included topics such as national debt, and global warming. thank you to all the students who took part in our 2017 student camp documentary competition. to watch the videos go to to chooseing students any provision of the u.s. constitution and create a video about why it is important. washington journal continues. now, aoe thomas joins us host and programming prechter for charlottesville radio. to discuss how his city became
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ground zero for this past weekend's violence. with so much focus on what the president did and didn't say and that statement yesterday, we want to get your thoughts on that debate over the president's words. tost: the first thing i want point out is that i think the president was correct in saying all violence in any shape or form, any of this mob rule mentality has to be called out for what it is and has to be stopped in its tracks. if it doesn't we will get further down the rabbit hole. the fact that he didn't pick out one specific group -- supposing blackt picked out the lives matter groups that were protesting on the other side, equally violent, i was therefore four hours getting pepper spray by both groups. there was plenty of violence to go around. host: given the background over the battle of the monuments, how did this happen in charlottesville?
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becausehe battle began it was an issue brought up after ,he shooting in south carolina the church there, after that one of our city counselor says, wouldn't it be nice if we could get rid of all these confederate symbols. the shooter had confederate flags and posted pictures on facebook. at thate a villain point, a flash point, but it goes back to shortly after occupy wall street where we had an encampment at that same park for almost two weeks during occupy wall street. the first calls for removing the statue came shortly after that. host: how divisive has this been for the city of charlottesville? how have they handled it? guest: i couldn't hear you. host: how has the city handled this issue? guest: i don't know if it has been divisive for the city but
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more for people who are looking to use this as a means to an end. we have seen an awful lot of folks trying to gain public policy or position off of this issue. they are using it for their own ends. the average citizen, 86% of the city had no problem with leaving robert e lee's statue where it is. when you pull them, they say there are bigger issues in the city of charlottesville. host: is there a history of white supremacists targeting charlottesville? guest: not at all. we have a human rights commission in construction for several years and they just within the last months made a report -- the same city counselors you have seen on the news -- they have seen no cases in the last 16 months of human rights violations in the city of charlottesville. this is not a charlottesville issue.
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this is a lot of people using charlottesville and some of it internally, some of our local politicians have gained a national standing for it but it is a lot a platform building. host: we're talking with joe charlottesville, having this conversation for the next 25 minutes or so. if you want to join in for the -- --sation, a special line for charlottesville residents in 8003.egment, 202748 joe thomas, take us through your day. what did you see on saturday? guest: violence. anger. brought up by people who were there. the people who wound up so angry , what puzzled me was once you separated them from the mob
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mentality that calmed down. as long as they were in groupthink, they were in this hypersensitive state of i am in a mob and i have to go along with the mob. when you separated them, i have personal experience with a young man from black lives matter who nearly came to blows with me because with all irony, he call the call -- he saw the color of my skin and thought i must be a racist. host: what is the unity coalition? guest: a group started by several of us in charlottesville under the guidance of a former democratic party chair, former democratic party for congress and myself and many community leaders including one of the great community leaders in the most impoverished parts of charlottesville, mary cary, we have met a couple of times to try to bring back the idea of talking to one another. the only way in my view, that
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cracy, is to mobo talk to each other one at a time. if i can insert something, you had a caller on before who was talking about poverty. he was right on the money. this is not about black and white as much as it is greed. you have four white kids being told their situation -- and poor black kids being told their situation because this group did them dirty. that is where this issue has come from. that has what -- has given the kindling. in fort calhoun, nebraska, line for republicans. larry, are you with us? night, youticed last have your kids come home from college. they tell you what they learned from college. big it,acist, of
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homophobe, fascist -- then he watches the evening news and they call them a homophobe or racist and then he wants to watch a tonight show. these guys are preaching about how he is a racist and a bi got and a homophobe. difference between what happened in a movie theater and what the media is doing on the news every day? --'t this an flaming hate inflaming hate? sohink the media is disgusting right now. it should hang its head in shame . of trying to bear false witness. making our president look like a racist. i would like to know your opinion? caller: i cannot disagree with the fact --
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are running around with their own ends and there is plenty of that in the media. we arefor fact that about attention to us. if we can get you to stay tuned to the next commercial break we will do it. it is easy. that is where it begins. we are wired with weaknesses in one of them is law. -- is sloth. what is feeding all this, larry, get a groupier to of people to support us if we divide them. it is much harder to find commonality amongst one another one at a time. the media is definitely crying fire in a crowded movie theater. issue, even ifh you can do that you have to bear the responsibility for that. that is what i inc. is not happening. -- what i think is not happening. publishrules that might
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towe seem to not apply those places like facebook and twitter and places where you can publish things. no one is held accountable. if you publish a book or a blog or a pamphlet on harper ross imprint -- i'm not sure if they foundimprint, then it is that you are lying, that publisher is also liable. host: so with media coverage for charlottesville? fair, i won't say it was there was an awful lot of coverage of the unite the right of thend not as much other groups, black lives matter groups that were all equally as violent. i want to make something clear. we are seeing groups that in one
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case are nationalist socialist and also globalist socialist. --se are not white w right wing groups. mobile, alabama, line for democrats. caller: what happened in virginia was an act of terrorism in my opinion done by a terrorist. groups like neo-nazis and the kkk have committed and done domestic terrorism. in america you have to have a brown face or not be a christian to be labeled a terrorist. it is confusing. guest: what you're getting at, what happens when you start to try to put the toothpaste back in the tube. what government has tried to do since the 1960's and it depends
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on whether you go back to some of lyndon johnson's tapes about modification of the black communities. in general, the poor community was the idea that they somehow could fix something that went wrong in the past with something that is going to happen in the future. this route you have established precedent that government is going to pick or choose a class. -- the the case in texas university of texas was found violating the civil rights of students because they were picking certain students based on the color of their skin. once you remove black, white, latino, or asian in the conversation, you just say -- do you support the idea of someone being able to pick and choose who gets something based solely on the color of their skin or predominantly on the color of their skin -- you have opened up a pandora's box that our constitution was never designed to deal with. host: jack, independent line.
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caller: thank you for taking my call. the first issue is, let's not forget real quick, this was a horrible thing that happened. my prayers are with those families and officers and the woman that died. but, let's look at berkeley. let's look at all these -- the black lives, pigs in a blanket, issuesook at all these under obama where they created all this fire and all this killed, a lots, of this controversy is created then you draw on this white supremacy thing. sooner or later this boiling over, let's not forget the first thing why, this president got elected. when you look at that map, it is read all over the middle of america. there are a lot of people that
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are white, black, brown, and that is part of red america. saying we are sick and tired of all these issues. these protest -- berkeley, chicago, new york -- all these working for are their livelihood to put food on the table. the media has taken this so far out of control like the one gentleman said. they put this into a blame issue. an absolute blame. the travesty of five different networks every day -- russia, russia, trump did this, everything wrong, wrong, wrong. if they do not cool their jets in this thing, this white supremacy and charlottesville, i am sorry to say, this may just be the beginning and i hope my words are wrong. lips to god'sur years. i hope you are wrong.
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once you have started to segregate you have now created segregation again. we are seeing the same sort of animus and the same fear that i will not be able to get by or feed my family if i do not protest or march or gather together. still some vestiges of the tear gas i got hit with on saturday, pardon me. barack obama had a very poignant tweet after this where he quoted nelson mandela about hate. but when you take actions away from the words. words are easily said. actions are what is different. what we have seen as we have gone further and further down the rabbit hole is the actions do not match the words. what you want to see his jobs, the ability to feed your family. that is why president trump carried michigan, pennsylvania, and there are people who make a reasonable case that some of this is being driven by the
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people who lost those states who did not expect to lose those states because, gosh, these are our people. they were guaranteed votes and didn't get them. i think that is a bigger issue right now. why are we dividing the country along these racial lines? is it just for political gain? i was struck and i wrote a column on my facebook page about this -- this almost seems like if we could go back to 18th century france and the beginnings of the french revolution. i started a column by saying that thomas jefferson was wrong on the french revolution because what was happening -- you had , ate that wanted to be king king that was not governed by the rule a lot like magna carta in england and you had a blood sport for 25 years that left you with a military strongman named napoleon whose jobs program was to take militants and put them in the army and take a hike to
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moscow. we do not want to go there but i am afraid that that is historically what happens to these free societies when they collapse. host: thomas jefferson was wrong, a dangerous thing to say and charlottesville. bringing the focus back, the short-term and long-term impacts in the city, what will they be in your city? councile have a city election coming up in november along with the entirety of the virginia general assembly is up for election and there is a lot of the campaigning that has gone on that has been, so and do so is a republican so therefore they are trump. people,ave common sense one for city council, who i hope separate themselves. it is the only way we will do this. i am a conservative talk radio host and i did a live broadcast from the housing project and i am the one doing this because that is where the people need the help. that is whether the people are not being listened to, jobs leave, they don't come back, the
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poor community is ostensibly hoping they can find a better job orconvenient store maybe old navy is hiring or walmart pays better. we lost manufacturing sides of our economy, we lost bigger weather is there is a civil war monument in charlottesville. the city counselors, we don't elect these offices individually like that city in michigan, we do a large election , which i believe the city in michigan was found to be in violation of the voting rights act. i would like to see that investigated. our vice mayor ran on a campaign of helping the poor. you have seen on a lot of the tv shows. his votes have increased business taxes on an average of 65%. we have cases where they have gone up 400%.
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that is also on rental properties. driving up rents of the pores. he then voted to raise the fertility -- facility fees. it is one thing to say the words but the actions don't match. we are creating greater schisms. host: special line for charlottesville residents. joe thomas is our guest in charlottesville with w chv radio. teresa is in tennessee, line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning. the guy before me stole my thunder about the difference between black lives matter. we have been putting up with black lives matter for years when the democrats and obama create him. -- create them. how did the democrats -- they are supporting this to get votes. how did they think they will win
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elections on this platform of hate and violence? black lives matter is what helped trump get elected. that is why white people came out -- we are being discriminated against, being punched and called racists. how is this platform going to work for the democrats? that is all behind it. did you see while you are there, intothey were being herded black lives matter and the cops stood down? guest: in charlottesville? no one was hurt but there were crowd control barricades put up -- there is still an investigation into whether orders were given to the police, there were many instances where many fights broke out.
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it wasn't until tear gas came out of the park where the statue is that they called off the unite the right rally. then they were pushed together. -- we weredemocratic standing together at the top and he said, why are they pushing the two groups together? it seemed from reporting on the scene that there was an attitude of let's force everyone into the same space and see what happens. i doubt if that was the goal. about the political strategy of doing this. trump did a lot better in the black community than mitt romney did or other people did. that is part of why he carried michigan and pennsylvania and ohio. he went to black churches. he sat down with black leaders. i asked the question of a caller earlier on the radio, how can you say that donald trump is a white supremacist? millions ofed at
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people over 30 or 40 years prior to running for president and in a year and a half no one could be found that would stand up and say, he treated me badly because of race. for five any business months could run into something like that -- i don't buy the idea that the president is a white supremacist. , when david duke said, i support the president. i like donald trump. everyone said denounce him. at some point or another, we can all run around and denounce everybody. i did announce what david duke stands for -- anyone who does not believe that men are created equal. was i said thomas jefferson wrong i meant that time on the french revolution. when jefferson sat down in charlottesville and thought about this and went to philadelphia and wrote that we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, i said this to british radio the other day, if you do not believe that you are not an american conservative.
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that is where david duke and all these folks who say white supremacy and white european privilege or status and all that nonsense has to go, we were the first place to throw that off. host: you talk about the focus on the president's words. we started the conversation with that. david duke said a report from nbc, we are going to fulfill the promises of donald trump. that is what we believe in. that is why we voted for donald trump. he said he would take our country back. in to if someone calls washington journal right now or calls our radio and they are white supremacists, does that make me a white supremacists? or someone who listens to this program a white supremacist? or someone was a bumper sticker, also has a black lives matter bumper sticker, does that mean i am a black lives matter supporter? ass guilt by association --
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a sociologist i find it offensive. fyingre stigma someone for something without you getting to know them. host: a couple of minutes left ear. charles is in fort collins, colorado. line for independents. caller: i would have to disagree with joe on a few points here. out and said came to me, charles perry, i am behind him 100% and i am doing this because of whatever, i would be heck no, are you crazy enough? the first thing to come out of my not. it would not take me two days to come up with some political thing. that is speaking from the heart. i find that completely not calling a strike.
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-- aee with joe on points lot of this is tribalism. it is people coming out -- and you can't talk to them. system you are created a of us against them which benefits the rich and wall street and these kind of people. we are bickering over a bunch of stuff like this. they're stealing everything. guest: i agree with you. to my point, if david duke came up to you and said, i like what you stand for and i want to do when donaldu, -- trump was hit with a statement about david duke, he doesn't know what david duke said. it's not like he has a hotline to him. would, he would say i had to get a handle on this. it is interesting how we can
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allow a seasoned politician who is probably better at the dance to dodge that kind of guilt association, saying i do not know about that and will have to get back to you about it. i appreciate your point. if someone says to you, someone says he likes you and you don't have evidence of that, you will want to gather that info. host: danny from silver spring, maryland. republican line. caller: i want to talk about the taking down of the monuments. you know who else likes to take down statues and stuff? isis. they love to destroy statues. and erase the past. down the statues opens up a wound in the south. it is like the second humiliation of the south. when theyhumiliated lost of the war and now they are getting humiliated again. lincoln wanted to unify the south and heal them.
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taking down the statues doesn't heal anybody. he is absolutely right. it lincoln said, these are american veterans. this is an american war veterans memorial and there is a virginia law that says you cannot take it down. there is a group called the monument fund, look them up on facebook, that successfully got a court order that says it is not coming down. the fear is about what happened in north carolina. taking them down. they are not going anywhere otherwise. host: joe thomas is a radio host, if you want to check them out online, guest: thank you for including us on c-span. host: up next we talk with stat help news reporter, erin m ershon. after president trump declared the opioid crisis a national
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