tv INSA Intelligence Conference Principal Deputy DNI CSPAN September 9, 2017 9:09pm-9:57pm EDT
just come in and be prepared to do really cool work. david ignatius:, with that invitation, we bring the panel to one and. this is a rare opportunity to have such high-level talent running such an important agent -- such important agencies. please join me in thanking them for being with us. [applause] announcer: tt same national security summit also included gordon who served as deputy director of national intelligence. she outlined top parties for the intelligence community. >> thank you, jill. were listening to the introduction, we agreed that we saved the best for last. formally, represented one of the great agencies. >> yes,. >> indd.
it is great to see you again and congratulations on your new position. >> thank you. >> it has been a little more than aonth? >> it has. confirmed on the fourth of august. >> yes, a little more than a month, but you have been in the intelligence community for a few more years than a month? >> so, let as jump right into this. how would you characterize the state of t community? what is working well, and what do we need to improve on? gordon: before i answer, let me offer the apologies for the director, he really wanted to be here, unfortunately, maybe as sign of the times in terms of how the administration views intelligence, he had a meeting that he had to go to. the principals meeting was set today, but i wanted to be here, which is why it was set today.
i have about 30 years of free slick tradraft, so -- [laughter] gordon: here is what i would tell you about the community. i am old and i have seen a lot. we have never been better. the capabilities that we bring stunning as any of that i have seen and i have seen a lot. the level of iegration is that we have seen around the community is the best i have cyber scene. -- the best that i have ever seen. exciting things is the inclusion of the fbi and the growth that they have made ourn intelligence partner
adversaries have figured out that coming to the united states makes it challenging and this partnership has allowed us to do great things. we are awfully good that we are not good enough. intelligence is the business of advantage, that is fundamentally what we do. for all of the work that we are doing, boy, it is tough to stay ahead. i think what ware doing well, is each organization is advancing its capabilities in a very tough environment. i think about the challenges -- inhe nsa faces in a operating in a digital environment that is increasingly transparent. the adversaries who might see you and people who have learned from what we do, to be able to understand that. i think about the cia, operating in a world where you must be who you are, because of what has happened in terms of what they
know. and theabout the nga challenges of harnessing commercial revolution that has the potential to provide answers that you can only imagine in the past, and yet you still have to figure out how to do it. i can go on and on. i think that one of the challenges is the continued growth and each of our disciplines that make up the whole. we are not fast enough. we are not. the overhead that we impose on ourselves is great. matters,d where speed not casualness, but effective speed. when we have business processes that do not keep up, barriers to effective sharing, we put ourselves in a disadvantage,n a world where information and speed and analysis is at the
premium. had ang those lines, we panel earlier this morning, about acquisition reform. we actually just heard the directors of the agencies talk a little bit about that. fact, m kevininers was a part of the panel and he coined -- i believe kevin coined this cost realism technically credible, as opposed to say, lpta. what can be done from the dni's perspective in terms of streamlining the acquisition procs? dep. direcotr gordon: three think, what are we trying to accomplish? i know that we like to be on the machinations that we have but there are mechanisms that we can articulate clearly.
one of the things the dni can do is be clear about where we must go in order to achieve the future. the second thing is an environment where new capabilities can be added more quickly. the imperatives of having a place where we can insert capabilities quickly, securely, and bring into submission is something that the dni can do. again, it is about proving the foundation for collective efforts which i think we can do. and the third inning, is to really work on the issue of risk -- the third thing is to really work on the issue of risk. it feels like we acquire things ashough they will last forever, so we better make sure we have it right. in my estimation, we have to be right enough. quickly,e moving so that if software and hardware solutions change in six months
to a year, it takes a few years to get something together,e simply have to be more thoughtful about the risks that we are introducing. this is something that the dni can do to help level-set what we are willing to accept, the processes that we, by and large, set the standards for. ok, three very specific things. >> you will not talk about i-si ht, fair -- >> we can. >> you talked about something that is the focus of your predecessors, is that still part of the dni, your vision, continng integration -- >> we should all go our way alone -- [laughter] dep. direcotr gordon: do not tweet that!
lighten up! it was a joke! we can be this way! let us talk about -- the dni has but difficulte -- to achieve responsibility. we have to make sure that the best of the intelligence community is brought to bear at not onent of decision, voice, one perspective, but the best that we each have to offer, that is that fundamentals of integration. we do it for a purpose, it is measurable. that is the role that the dni has specifically. the second responsibility is to make sure we create an environment where each of our crafts can expand as they need to, in other words, clear the way. in view of the policies and processes that govern what do, to make sure that we establish a new way to work. so i see no
diminution of integration. stillhink that where we grow, as we are viewing integration sometimes as additive, taking all of our capabilities, earning them all together to create a some of what we have and i think the next step is to learn to create together, do sething new that each one would not do alone. i still think that there is growth and how we think about integration. that is our imperative from the dni. just surveyed the community, one of the questions is what the dni does well and what it doesn't. to wheree got as close we are going to get on a mandate , to exert leadership in the notion of bringing things together for a new purpose. so we will push on a that 30 hard -- we will push on the that, pretty hard. that is great, getting feedback. >> you just touched on this, i
had a couple of people ask, if you could talk about -- i think there is an internal odni efficiencies review, and "the future of the community" review. could you talk about those? i think iftr gordon: we all went into our separate rooms and talked about it, we would all come to the same conclusion, that the fundamental premise we have always had of -- as is my paraphrase -- knowing the truth, seeing beyond the horizon and allowing policymakers to act before event dictat is pretty constant. i think onof the interesting things is we have changed -- we have moved from a world of data scarcity to data abandons. -- data abandons. data abundance. we have so much information tha
we need to make sense of it. going forward, how do you take advantage of the data now available and do something special with it, something a lile more sooner to be known. as looking at what the community can do to work on the advantages it has always had. to enablely exist that, so you havto have that vision to be able to say, wh is the dni going t do? effectivenessni study, i will say effectiveness over efficiency, we have gotten into trouble trying to say that we can do things cheaper. one of the ways we're looking at ourselves is looking at one of the functions we can perform. not the offices we currently have, but the functions we must perform. if you look at my earlier statement, i would say that there are probably for big functions, some of which we do well and some of which we are not doing so well.
ether it is in artificial intelligence or in liber, we have -- or in ciber, capacity and capabilities. it is not a role that we have usually played but you can see that there is some benefit and i will choose what we are all doing in terms of making use of the data that exists, whether it auto augmentation, all of us in the intelligence community, are all spending money. are we getting there one of the functions is to help the leadership to make sure that when we do it, we we are going in a direction of outcome. the second thing is adding context. that is what we do with our national intelligence managers and the job of integration is to context, taking what is out therend producing. negatively, ig,
would say positively -- reduce friction. we cld accelerate the community, if you would like to be positive about it, but we have to get rid of the overhead. i am so worried about what we impose an ourselves. >> we need to go with the who are sitting here before you. dep. direcotr gordon: that is a function that we have, whether it is new business processes or the number of things that we do, the way that we task, all of those things are crushing us in terms of delivering the capabilities. the other thing is we need to build some new urges, to partners outsi of the intelligence community. whether that is -- build some new bridges. whether that is in t private sector, other nongovernmental as addions, even the dod, we can do more. we would use that to really align what we do, align our resources and able constantly change, as the community
changes. we ought to measure our accomplishment, provided the room for the agencies to be really successful. >> and it gives you a priority? dep. direcotr gordon: it does. >> let us follow on that, the building of more capacity and capability. this audience, you said building bridges, you have industry, academia here, other government institutions awell as dod. you know, let us characterize, how are they doing in supporting you? how are you doing in partnering with them? you tore can and ought be doing? dep. direcotr gordon: a lot of questions. i will choose two areas that i think are really important to
answer your question. aiill take a da piece on and automation and augmentation. the u.s.ok at how much government is spending on that, we spend a fair amount. it is nothing compared to what is being spent on the private sector on the exact same thing. how are we going to use the money that we have taken influence the ney that is being spent. we note two things, one, if we let the private sector go in that area, they will advance at they will not necessarily advance on their own in ways that solve our problems. our problems a that we are simply going to be unable to make use of all of these -- all of the information that exists and can help us provide more advantage, if we continue to do so manually. there, of the money is
we have some money and we have to leverage it because we have needs that may or may not he met -- may or may not be met. on the government side, i think we are too disparate in our approaches, whether it is where we spend the money or how many times we talk to the same partneabout the same thi, not ever having that turned into a purposeful conversation. i think that dod and the nic need to have more conversations about this, we are part of the sa continuum and they are just as interested in cloud and all of these technologies. i think we may have to come up with some sort of interlock er, whether we use se of the mechanisms of the past such as tel, some way to be able to have conversations which
we may or not may not be able to because of privacy issues. --cyber isother one another one. do we need to get our act together on this issue? show of hands? the interesting thing is that this issue is nongovernmental. it is private sector. what we have is the ability to know things somewhat in advance of attacks, but we cannot see them in the same way. in aill we work together trusted way to be able to share what we both know, in order to better protect each other? it is a different kind of partnership, that we need, but it does require each side trust andway to
respect -- trust each other a bit to come to a joint solution and respect the value oposition of both sides. those are the two things i think we have to do. i think that one of the things we neeto do, i know you did not ask for it -- i put this on the dni, i think we need to engage in conversation with the american people. this whole security and privacy as too often set up as a oppositional thing -- >> either or? >> yes, i say to people that are on the same side. people on government were to uphold the constitution of the united states which is pricated on the notion of individual rights and privacy. this is one where we will have to reframe our conversation because if we spoke about what we do, whether it is pfizer at
702, which i know that you talked about earlier, to this kind of partnership, i think that there is much more common ground than we presume. --fisaher it is five the there is much more common ground than we presume. >> is it a priority for the dni? >> between now and the end of the year, i do not think there is another party other than to get it continued. it is simply a capability that we know that has great effect. we are confident that we have the guidelines, procedures in thee in order to protect rights and privileges of the american populace. we have to do this. we have to do it. i think we have to describe it, not only in the ways that we effect it, the way that we
govern it, but also talk more candidly about what it is and what it is not. ofhink, in the aftermath snowden, people think this is groups of thehuge american population at risk of being sucked up into a great abyss where people can go off but it is not the case at all. as the preous panel said, it is a very simple program. it allows you to track and non-us persons who are credibly believed to be outside the united states for the purpose of foreign it isn't a large number of targets. what i would say, if you're not talking to one of the people, you are not in existence. in this world. we need to talk more openly as if the american people knew,
they would support it as strongly as we did because of the benefits it provides. >> admiral rodgers has been trying to tell that story. you adding your voice to that conversation i think is good to be heard from two members of congress this morning who felt it should be reauthorized. of 535.nly two out >> b it's also important we be able to talk about it. that's why this forum is so imrtant. we learned our lesson when we did not have a voice. we have to have a voice and tell our story. >> we apprecia you being here. we have questions from the audience. i will integrate them in with questions i have artie staed with. here is one on site -- i have already started with. here is one on cyber. what role should they play on cyber since it blurs the line
between offense and defense and military action. should the intelligence community be conducting offensive cyber reactns. ? >> that such a great question. the intelligence committee is disproportionately in the business of collecting foreign intelligence. in this world,ost of the information exists in the gital domain and you have to be able to get it in it doe' -- get it. it doesn't translate into places where you need to go to get it. the purpose is to do the historic purpose of the intelligence committee, you know a little bit more and go where the data resides. authories, those are pretty clearly delineated by law.
it is blurred because the domain is blurry. it intersects it other. but the authorities to conduct certain actions are given to , authorities. those are pretty clear and we kn how to navigate those. ose who think it is of the rate domain, but at governs the activities are pretty clear d distinct. >> in just about every panel i today,t in yesterday and the issue of security clearance reform has come up. >> what? >> i'm sure youre not surprised i have uttered those words. there have been suggestion a lot of complaining. the dni is a security executive
agency. what everyone out there wants to know, inquiring minds, what e you doing to fixhis and how long is it going to take? >> ok. [laughter] >> she said i could ask her anhing. >> i did. abouteally fun to talk the national security threats we face and the capabilities we have in order to do that. i don't think there is more important for us to address that i will call secrecy and security. we need a trusted and reliable workforce. but the workforce is one that is, one, will not be static. not people like me in the community for 37 years. we want them to be able to move in and out.
i want to attract the best talent. i don't want to lose them in the 15 months it takes them to get through. to be able to cap the expertise and the private sector to fill the gaps in our knowledge or the time cap between when i can hire staff and now when the system is not designed to support that kind of mobility with the security that we want and the protections we needo have. will not succeed if we don't take this on. i can think of no higher priority. what makes me concerned is, how many times have we tried this? how many times have we looked at this? we will lead the effort to address this, both in terms of the vetting process and the other side, which is just security in general.
i can apply at that to the information systems. systems arecurities not designed to allow us to quickly understand the risks of putting new capabilities in. i cannot tell you how long it will take. i know the energy around it at the moment and i do believe -- i think this is an exciting time -- for us because -- and it youav gatntest inhedmistratn,he giation,n ugeinon tht. alstonisngif we squander this me everyone is aligned to say we must do something because each one of us is protectin how we have done things more than what then youe able to do,
will have a deputy pretty quickly. moreh i could promise you and a time frame and specifics are not exactly how we do it. this is a partnership we have to affect and it is a subject of my next con about how we move in. this is one of lacing our shoes tighter and taking we can put more people in. we have to reimagine how to get this done. >> therere folks in this room who have ideas, technologies, and are willing to help here. and thea plug for insa work we have done with our security clearance. >> looking at the faces in the room. >> there are concrete recommendations out there. you have good pilots underway also. >> you talk information system
and the whole continuous monitoring peace and of course continus evaluation. let us know when we can lp. >> i will. the one thing we have to do as a community is this whole notion of a risk. zero loss is the way i grew up. right? for all the good reasons we know and all the things we want to protect. the reality is, zero loss is not something we are achieving today and is probably not the right thing. if you look at some of the things implemented in the security wor that you do not have zero loss, i think there will be ways forward. >> it is all about risk. there is a question here on leaks. leaks, theen will be more leaks. >> yes. >> it is a question of risk.
>> it is. disclosure of classified information is always bad. i will also say that some of the burden is on us because we have classification systems that are hard to understand when you classify the informationso wearhard to know always your line is. no leaking, it's bad. it gives us a disadvantage. no deciding what is real secrets and what is not. withild our capability things that look and oculus deliver great capability -- and inocuous tond deliver great capabilities. >>ere is a question from the
audience. the intelligence minu he is focused on terrorism and the worst in iraq and afghanistan for 15 years now, more now. icy sacrifice the ability to target? closed system. half supply resources tthese pressing challenges. hard to argue with the chois we made about counterterrorism following 9/11 and what that meant about very different targets, very different set of capabiliti you had to have, and a lot of energy to prosecute at the speed it was evolving. i think that is probably true. if you look at it that w, you could say it had a cost against
the resources we had. , i was at one of the great offices at the cia, 749 did the former soviet union and one person did ina and the rest of the world. [laughter] as the wall came down and proliferation became important, which it those capilities and applied them somewhere else or it did we have -- somewhere else. do we have this capabilities now? to recover world threat that are than we ever did -- betterhan we ever did? yes. mightgic is something managers should be focusing on. how do we make sure we are prepared for t future so when it com, we are waiting? [laughter]
>> ware out of questions. >> oh, we are not t of questions. [laughter] no, but we got the five minute warning. >> i will answer everything in a tweet from now on. >> i will say in kind of a -- ip, -- pardon me haven't given you a ance to really taka step back. what are the priorities of the office? have you and the dni had a , what are the top things you are working on where you focus? how is it going? >> one of the things that is really fun about having a dni comes from the policy committee is the fact that i will be able to have intelligence that makes
the difference. i will cose the best priorities, some gethosen for enduring.e are we mtioned at 702, we have to drive that across the finish line. rth korea is on a path that seems inexorable with capability that is advancing every day with demonstrations that prove that their aspirations are not uptight dream -- a tight dream -- a pe dream. what is the u.s. and the rest of the world's response going to be? what are we going to have to make as a nation? that's not justgainst north korea, but building a coalition because the pressure is widespread. priority is we
look at not only its influence in the region bause of the conflicts in that area, but also st continually looking to make sure it puts us in a good place. counterspace. an area of tremendous capability and dependence for us. -- how we make sure we are in a position to face these threats but also in a growing industry that is the great strength of this nation. counterterrorism is a different thing. than it was post-9/11. different than even fighting the war in syria against isis. it's like a half filled water balloon, when you squeeze one and, it comes out another and bute big-name targets
massive capabilities to in fact -- inflect terror. i will say not national security partners, whether the private sector for cyber, or intelligence that supports local law enforcement. the last one is, this notion of foreign influence in geopolitics in general. how do we undersnd what that is because it affects everything from the order of the world, but also our ability to understand what we are seeing in a world where things do not seem to be what they are. >> other than that. there are a ton more questions here, sue, and one is on the homeland front and working with state, local, tribal, why ist still so hard. how are we about integrating and working with international partners.
today onpanel earlier counterterrorism. nick rasmussen and representatives of the u.k., canada. what is your assessment on how we are doing on the international front? and on the homeland front? homeland is interesting. benefitse potential that intelligence has to address some of those issues and we are useing ways to be able to the organizations that have the responsibility for interaction to give them better intelligence and a form they can use to share that is a little clunky still. there are places where you see it going well, like nga. whats interesting though, even on the homeland, some of the capabilities that we grew in the
intelligence community that makes us needing to partner with them now are capabilities increasingly available in the open. there is a temp oral affect of how much the intelligence committee has tuesday president -- has to stay present. i am excited on the international partner front. i think we are better than we have been in a long time, ofluding the integration their officers with our officers in more places. on lots of different levels. the next place we have to go is to share information more , and thatigitally will require us to advance on the security front area -- front. these rules we have are not silly. we have to find a way to affect
them in a digital environment so we can get it shared with the partners in order to get the information they have and we need to develop systems where the information can go right too each other's processes make sure it's done in a way to trust the information you have. i can put a lot of information into the system, but our lifeblood has been trusted information and how we affect that. front, i think easy a lot of movement on that. >> we got the one minute warning three minutes ago. sue, thank you very much. we appreciate your time and what you are doing. [applause] and i think i can speak on behalf of everyone here. we are certainly glad you have
taken on this next challenge and you are our priipal deputy direct of national intelligence. thank you. [applause] i would just like to say a few words before everyone makes for the door very quickly. that's a big thanks, thanks to our insa staff and all of the volunteers. a lot of work goes into making these events successful. jacoby, bob to jake shea, the partnership between nsea.and thank you to our sponsors and exhibitors. everyone,hing is to the audience.
i gave y a challenge at the beginning whei opened the summit yesterday for audience participation. we have far more questions, not only here in this session but in all of the sessions that we ever could have gotten to. the act of participation, my challenge work. i will give you a challenge as you walk out the door. you will all get any mail with a survey. please take the two minutes to answer the survey by you giving us feedbk, it will make next year's summit better. be safe going home. sue, again, thank you so much. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> president tmp has been receiving updates at camp david. this afternoon, he shared a video on twitter with his meeting that also included a message to residents in the path of the storm. thank you very:
much for being here. it's a great group of people. incredible job. we appreciate it. we will hopefully be something fantastic for the people of our country. wonderful, with the opening prayer with our vice president, we must pray for the families affected eye hurricane harvey. looks likerma, which a really bad one. we are prepared as you can be. that i canay. grieves for those who lost their lives. those who lost their lives are running from hurricane irma. efforts in texas and louisiana,
approved emergency declarations in georgia, south carolina, puerto rico, and the u.s. virgin islands, which was really hit badly. i looked at the damage this morning. it is a storm of enormous disruptive power and i asked everyone in the storm path to heed all instructions, get out of its way and government offials, i know you are working so hard. i appreciate your bravery. property ireplaceable, but lies are not, and safety has to come first. the in ministration is monitoring the situation round-the-clock and we are in constant medication with all the governors, with state and local officials. we are doing everything possible to help save lives and support those in nee. we have never seen anything like
this. today, we will rebuild and will quickly. >> is that was happening, florida residents were bracing for the approaching storm. we heard about preparations while speaking to congress. we have on the line representative francis rooney which includes fort myers and cape coral, in urban's path -- irma's path. >> thank you for having me on. --heller preparations going? how are preparations going? >> about as well as one can expect. the government has been -- the governor has been in constant medication with people. -- constantod medication with residents.
we have tried to do our part in making sure on our website, people know who to call with different kinds of problems and what resources are available to them and how fema can be engaged to clean up as the storm receipts. recedes. change things on the coast? >> it geometrically heightens the problem, the devotees -- the devastation we are going to see. a are going to see devastating amount of flooding west of i-40 one and some of 1 and some of it east of i-
41. >> when you return to washington, what do you and your colleagues want to do? givens a long-term issue the number of hurricanes we have seen. what would you like congress to do? >> i think fema will blow through that $7.8 billion pretty quick on harvey and irma and the $50 billion split between the small business administrator and and fema will also be used quickly. it's going to take more money. who is going to pay for it? i don't know. but we are pushing for fema to step up. like they stepped up for sandy and katrina and now harvey. >> you are the owner of the manhattan construction company, which built things such as the bowling center. what do you see looking -- building center. >> what do you see moving
forward? >> there will be rebuilding for sure, but the first is the cleanup. the most important things are lies and personal possessions. in that order. we have been working to secure people's properties and making sure our employees are taking them with their houses and cars and evacuation plans, then working into our sub contractor supplier and partners to make sure they are taking care of. , ase hope that you be safe well as your constituents. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. have a great day. >> c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by americans cable production companies and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider.
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