tv Washington Journal Dan Boylan Discusses Russia Investigations CSPAN September 15, 2017 8:04am-8:41am EDT
we are driving towards this technology, or that call the third wave of jobs in our state and it is part of growing our economy and our governor has a tremendous background in information technology, so it is a perfect date and we are trying to put that third leg on the stool with type, entrepreneurship, along with ag and energy, which makes are state stronger. >> how often do you interact with the governor? >> he is a good friend, a good friend before he was governor, and we thrive on creating that good business climate. >> thank you. "washington journal" continues. boylan, a welcome dan reporter for washington times.
, who has a number , who ares on his team experts in money laundering, so wet does this tell you? guest: this tells you the special counsel robert mueller is pushing forward seems like they are starting to find things that could lead to criminal charges in the future. there's that piece of the investigation. flynn's son has been dragged into this. he helped out during the trump transition after the election. i think he helped with scheduling and he was in meetings. he also got involved in salacious pieces with a retweet of the infamous pizza gate story, which is a pizza parlor where apparently he did not want to go into at some point because there were all things occurring.
that was a sex scandal, a low-grade sex scandal i think people were trying to push for the election. host: we also solve the story about facebook ads that popped up with ties either to the russian government, what is that about? guest: that is senator mark warner, the lead democrat on the senate intelligence committee. he has been digging at facebook. the big picture there is that the television, political advertising space has been heavily regulated since advertising began, so television was regulated in terms of what could be the content of the ads that needed to be done if i'd buy the candidates. we know this in washington dc and -- in washington, d.c., and the internet media had nothing like that, so it is a disastrous sea of information, so senators
like richard were, he is the chair of the senate committee, and they have all been starting to look at slick, saying this is unregulated and it proved to be something where we have a lot of questions about who is trying to influence or sway the 2016 elections. host: we learned yesterday trump advisor friend agreed to testify behind closed doors. what questions do you think they want answered from him? >> he is a fascinating character. i think there are a lot of questions they will ask him. name thatolved or his surfaced around the d&c hack, i believe roger -- how do you describe it, he is a very fascinaing,
character -- fascinating character, and they will probably be a lot of angst that investigators do not want to ask. host: you have the house and byate inquiry, led in part senator warner of virginia, and then you have robert mueller and his investigation. is there overlap? are they working together to get the answers, or is there redundancy and some back riding on this? guest: i think there is some redundancy. when investigations initially took off, there was an idea of jurisdiction and where they would be turf battles. the house has been seen as a much more raucous panel, the representative nunez from california got this a narrative going that other officials potentially looked at. and to use that somehow to look at trump people. the senate intelligence
committee has been more sober. they were the ones that fired the dig director in early -- the fbi director in early june. they were hammering at what did russia actually potentially do? they say mark warner is trying to look at regulations in silicon valley, facebook, and there is the judiciary committee led by charles grassley, and he is hammering the trump dossier, written by former mi six operative christopher steel. the robert miller piece is separate to that end it has been, how shall we say it? -- it is a special counsel they have impugned a secret grand jury, so it is shrouded in secrecy. when you get out, there are leaks and speculation. one thing that our viewers and listeners across the country should remember about the russia story is that because it is an
investigation, criminal investigators do not like to repeal what trails they are running down, with dark paths they race to rent nights, so speculation spills over in terms of what they might be looking at. people do not like to go on records. you had this story that tends to be unsourced speculation, which makes my job trying to cover it all, somebody thinks you should cover one eye and wonder around in the dark because it gets wild to cover. host: we are talking to dan boylan, his work available online and you can send us a at c-spanwj. i want to get to this meeting called jeffnt trump sessions an idiot, said it was the worst decision he made to make and the attorney general he sent a letter of
resignation to the president. mr. sessions with later tell associates that the demeaning way the president addressed and was the most humiliating experience in his life. president trump ultimately rejected mr. session's letter projection because the city could not do that. guess it gets to the heart of this russian investigation story. there are opposition stories and people are left scratching heads saying, where did this come from customer i wonder attorney general sessions brought this up. i like the word ashen there. trump and sessions could be back at the white house now because he is good at manipulating
headlines and locking. does he have something down the road where it looks like maybe he could have a kumbaya moment to attempt six months from now? the president seems to have a trend of being an erratic sort of unorthodox character. this type of story seems to fit with his character i think. host: let's go to ginny in north carolina, republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. my question to you is i keep ,earing about flame, -- flynn this russian thing that nobody has information on. when am i going to hear more about hillary? i am still waiting for comey. he did like to congress, so that is against the law. what are they trying to sweep? you have susan rice, samantha powers, i went to hear more about the i.t. guys and investigations on schulz.
i do not understand why we are hearing about russia and flynn, and get more and the other story. it. just tired of everything is trump, trump, trump. can i say one thing i did not get a chance to talk about? trump needs that revolving door. he needs to fix the law and order. he also said, let's have a revolving door and let's get them to apply, and the good ones can come in, and it they all went to go and the parents want to go with them, they are illegal and they all need to go. host: thank you. we will get a response. guest: ginny, good question. i have done significant reports originalc hack, the hack, a story from the democratic side of this controversy. what people need to remember about this story is a lot of
these make the scandals that rock washington every generation , most of them in the past, watergate was a republican party thing. iran contra affair was a republican thing, whitewater clinton was a democratic party thing. if you look at benghazi, it was more of a clinton family think almost. this controversy brings in both parties because there is so much speculation about was there any russia? from was the kremlin involved in influencing this election so donald trump could become the next president of the country? or were there things that were occurring and disintegration within the democratic party that they tried to cover up? was there in-fighting between bernie sanders and hillary clinton that was so intense that they try to make it look like the russians had gotten in?
this controversy has both pieces of that at play here. the russians definitely push their propaganda in the way people have not seen since the cold war maybe. at the same time, there was a republican and democratic piece of this thing that we are trying to investigate. we have been reporting on the dnc hack, which is a complicated story. i appreciate sometimes the noise across the country sounds like it is an attack on trump, but if you dig deeper into headlines, people are trying to run down the other side of the story. host: we are talking to dan boylan of "the washington securityn the national beat and your bio includes a poet, a filmmaker and reducing short comedies. explain. guest: steve, what is the old joke about i do not like clinical jokes? i have seen too many of them get elected? host: [laughter] i have not heard that before.
guest: i have been some poetry. there is a line that says when you are a poet when you are 20, it is because you are 20, and when you are a poet at 40, it is because you are a poet create this is -- poet. is as muchitics, it art as it is science and beauty, the greatest trauma going, so sometimes returned to burst. i did a lot of counterterrorism work after 9/11, which puts perspective because you spend time out of washington and you come back to it and you think, what we have in the united states is precious and people need to pay attention to it to make it work. ah from the bronx in new york. good morning. caller: good morning. i appreciate this balanced approach you are using a cousin my view, the cold collusion issue with the russians was
forced i the intelligence agency before the election. after the election, all of a sudden, russia influenced our elections. in reality, comey and all of the obama people, and obama with hillary clinton, that is with the collusion was, from not calling the hillary clinton investigation and investigation, to making up his mind before he made up his mind, let's say, to excuse the legalities she committed -- the a league rally's she committed -- the illegalities she committed. it is a joke. from thelove a call bronx. you are right, there are thoughts out there that the bitterness the democrats felt in their stunning defeat led them to potentially fan the flames of this idea the russians somehow influenced the 2016 election. you cannot deny that.
i think at the same time i would you know, itx that is up to the president to learn how to manage his scandal and manage something difficult. his strategy to fight back has been the use of tweets, and he is battling with tweets while most of the battle against him is leaks. you know, it leads to an interesting place where you have to figure out what your strategy is to combat this story going on and spilling over and consuming his presidency. swing theure out to tide back and say, let's look at hillary more? he tries to do that, but it raises so many questions about what occurred during the selection that people are trying to get to the bottom of it. host: peter hart from hart research put together a focus group, supporters of donald trump. one issue came up with robert
mueller and one sentiment was he needs to hurry up and get it done. what do you think is timeline is and if there are any charges being brought forth to anyone connected with the trump campaign, and you think we could see them potentially? guest: these congressional inquiries say they want to be done by the end of the year, said they are putting their foot on the gas, particularly the senate intelligence committee and the chairman has said we want to get this done by the end of the year. in a sense, they are listening to the white house and i think they realize damaging, damming difficult scandals that people want to move beyond it. with robert mueller, naturally, supporters of the president say to wrap it up. and you have a body on the operating table and it is open and people are potentially could die, you want to finish the operation past. fast. are a -- operation if you are a trunk supporter,
this doesn't make you look good, so let's finish it up. i think people need to appreciate the past and where did whitewater begin? it began with the real estate deal in arkansas and ended up with salacious activity in the white house with monica lewinsky, and i think it was barney frank from massachusetts that said, did this have anything to do with whitewater and the charges? i think they said, the final charges did not, so mueller could go on until -- steve, how long will you be with the show? years? i do not know, it could be a long time with robert mueller. as an investigator, someone leading charges, he keeps everybody in total suspense i not allowing them to know the timeline. politicians like to feel in charge. host: let's go to bloomington, indiana. thank you for waiting period caller: thank you -- thank you for waiting.
caller: thank you. your guest mentioned the times as an opposition newspaper. i wanted to ask what is the problem with that? you just referenced hillary, which she lost, and that is ancient history, but that seems to be the opposition, that is the function of a newspaper, to oppose the main question, and people decide. through -- sift through fax and get a good idea of what the actual truth is, so the opposition matters because you cannot allow someone to say things without opposing or questioning them. just wondering your opinion on that. host: thank you. guest: great question. when i say it is in opposition newspaper, in the sense we should feel pride we have them in the united states.
i think the media landscape has changed so much in this country with so many new voices across the internet that this concept of what used to be objective journalism, outside of c-span and a few other venues, you do not have much "objective" opinions -- information. you have opinions. the russian investigation is so full of opinion. i think the new york times is trying to hold the president accountable. i think it is a good institution. i think the vast majority of news organizations that tried to collect facts, that is what they are trying to do. host: let's go to texas, republican line with dan boylan of "the washington times." caller: how are you this morning and thank you per c-span. i have a unique perspective, not just myself, but others, i spent time in italy, south america,
china, and you look around the world and see all kinds of international players that are bringing their own ideology to the u.s. the russians are very good at this, and we are too, by the way. it is very transparent when you look at the inner workings of state's and others. one of the things that has come to the forefront of this is there is such a vindictiveness that has come out because hillary did not get elected, and i am not trying to be partisan. i am being honest. tore was almost $1 billion get her elected and it did not happen. those folks that put that money out, such as international companies, people are really aggravated.
their economic methods were not able to be pushed or that mechanism. the state department has historically selected winners and users around the world and supported foreign projects. unless you had the blessing of the state department, they select to they want to give money to. host: we will get a response. thank you. guest: i think you're right, this is a vindictive time we are in an american politics. i was speaking with someone last week who is one of the folks the class casee, against the president. there are three right now against the president. in the a clause constitution that says a president cannot accept money potentialgn powers, influence there, and old clause in the constitution. he was saying the amount of dark money in the 2016 election was
unprecedented. that theree argument is simply too much money in american politics right now and it makes folks in the capital, folks in the white house more focused on their reelection then rebuilding bridges, airports, and education of children across the country. people were angry they did not -- she did not win. in a deeper sense, there was this idea somewhere in the american bone of democracy that other than barack obama, two families had run the country, the clintons and the bushes, and that was somehow disturbing to people that they got this families could anoint themselves and that battle cannot in the democratic party that whatever happened during the hack last year that led to clinton emails spilling out, there was vicious
fighting within the party. they're angry, they spent a lot of money, and if you spend a lot of money and don't end up with the product, you are angry in the and and that is what i think we get. host: headlines from usa today, saying that donald trump jr. will testify publicly before the judiciary -- the senate committee. guest: i hear it is supposed to be a transcript of the investigation. i would be surprised if they let him do it publicly. jared kushner submitted testimony, he has submitted testimony for listeners out about 3500ink it was words, and it reads like a crack in the beginning of a good campaign. if you have been in the campaign, things get wild and christian are basically says i was in that i
have hurricane. i think donald trump jr. will probably do it behind closed doors. host: the second question is impossible to answer but they still what you are hearing in capitol hill, is there something in the president's tax returns? yeah, i think there is something in the president's tax returns and that is why he has not given them out. it is hard to say what it is. speculation is that he simply is not as rich as he might've claimed and that there is this grand boast that would be exposed. host: in chicago, democrat line, good morning. ander: good morning, c-span good morning to your guest. thent to ask, do you think -- r investigation m
mueller investigation is being hampered by the trump administration and is there evidence of a crime? situation, these people have been here so long that they are american and should be american citizens, and we should look to away to fix our immigration. host: thank you. we will get a response. guest: i think that what trump,d here with donald the country elected a non-politician to run the most political city in the country and it took him a while to figure out the rules and he broke some roles initially and he did not understand the power players that were here. i believe it is in the 102-year history of the federal bureau of investigation and only one other fbi director had ever been fired and donald trump fired, which is something he has been dealing
with ever since. was there obstruction of justice right there? i think -- i was talking to my wife last night and we were joking, coming into c-span and talk big picture about donald trump, when he was first elected, there was a line talking about checkout, who says a crowd is merely a half that lets the reign in. trump kind of came in, that he would be anointed, i do not think he thought it would easy but he did not understand the chess pieces on the table. explain this story. the chessill keep analogy because i think susan rice is not a pawn, she is a knigh or something higher -- knight or something higher.
she is a big piece of work people so angry that hillary lost, did they feel so much animosity toward donald trump, they used some access to try and sway some of the stories against donald trump? miss rice -- or it was reported yesterday that ms. rice in december was suspicious of a , white between kushner house strategist steve bannon and michael flynn, and the crown prince of dubai was coming into washington, d.c., and there was chatter we picked up that they were trying to set up a back channel between the white house and russians and when the crown prince came in to new york trump, meet with
national security adviser mispriced was suspicious of the deal and she apparently looked into that intelligence and found that trump people were talking about that. host: this other headline, general flynn failed to disclose the trip during his security more involvedin, in terms of his connections. explain this story. guest: oh, my gosh. michael flynn is sorted this hatchet face leaning general who did a lot of time in the post-9/11 wars, and i think you will talk to people in the military intelligence committee and say he got ahead of himself when he retired. a lot of these generals in a sense serve all this time, put their lives on the line, and they are around all these sleazy, kind of dirty money in washington, d.c., of people making millions of daughter -- millions of dollars. i think michael flynn. i should
put my nose into the trough and get juice and he did not do it well. as a result, he broke all kinds -- rules, can't maybe big ones, and one that came out was this nuclear deal he tried to promote and he did not abide by the rules about how to promote something like that. host: let's go to our last caller from oklahoma. good morning. you mentioned the clause and the bush and clinton family. what is different about trump is he hired his family in the white house. this whole thing has upset me because we have lowered the bar. the host read an article about our president of the united states calling her attorney general immediate. -- our attorney general an
idiot. i hope the next president we elect has some integrity. thank you. host: your response. guest: we are certainly in an era of spicy language and part of it i think is the media we use that allows people to potentially do things before they think too far about ramifications. know, donald trump was not a professional politician. he got his way in the world by and television, and the way politicians reacted that is maybe they will figure out some way to make him stop using language people find offensive. host: dan boylan of "the washington times," and how can people follow you on social media? ylan_insider on twitter, and i am running myself ragged trying to get scoops on the story and the difficulty of undercover -- of uncovering the
russian investigation. host: we appreciate your insights and appearances. thank you. guest: thanks a much. host: coming up, we will look at the numbers. a new sentence number on income and poverty in the u.s. and are friday roundtable with olivia golden and robert rector. c-span is launching a 50 state tour. this morning, look at that brand-new c-span bus. if you are in dover, delaware, stop by and say hello. we will show our brand-new hd studio in about one hour without first governor as we traveled 14 months over 50 states, including alaska and hawaii. we caught up with senators who are former governors. senator jim risch is the former governor of idaho. here's that conversation. [video clip] >> senator, is it easier being a senator or governor? >> they are very different jobs.
people ask me to compare them. one is an executive job, one in legislative. there are 11 of us out of the senators that a former governors talke get together and from time to time. the ones who served before they became governor are a lot more tolerant of the legislative process. for those who never served in a legislative body before it became governor, they are frustrated because when you are a governor, you always win. whatever the problem, you analyze it, you make the decision, and you told the staff to make it happen. here we talk and talk and give and take, and you never wind up with a full look. host: was it frustrating learning the ropes? >> not really because i spent almost 30 years in our state senate and that it from long time. -- and let it a long time -- lead id it a long time.
>> as far as your abilities and skills as a governor, what was important as it carried over to it your job as a senator? some of the skills do overlap >> . -- >> some of the skills to overlap. you cannot to either job without a great staff. being able to construct and manage the staff and have a clear job description for people on the staff, their abilities, those are important, and they are important in the legislative process. formerworked with the group of governors in the senate, did you get good advice? >> we all have advice for each other and it is give and take there. we all have similar experiences as governor and similar experiences here. >> when it comes to constituents, do they respond to differently?
>> not really. in both instances, you have different kinds of interactions with constituents. some not them praise, so much. asked wherem have they understand the reason you do this is because you want to make life better for people in america, and the only way can do that is to get input and make decisions based on that. they want to help you get to the point they want to get to, so some of them are angry, some are affectional and understand they have to work with government. every situation is different. it is. >> how to keep issues of the residence of your state first and foremost when you go about the legislative process? i think it is easier than it used to be.
they became more national senators then they did home state senators. most of us commute. at home inot of time idaho, whether in the grocery store, church, with friends, where i get input from what idaho wins were thinking. were thinking.s that keeps you grounded. you have to dance with who brought you to the dance and that is always the people who like you. >> did social media help you? >> of course. social media today, that is so important. i am the 11th person to hold this seat. i have read this much as i can about the other people who held it, and it is interesting, ego back 50 years, and they do not go back to idaho for a lot of reasons.
just did that, they not have the same amount of communications required. i got a letter from one who occupied the seat a few weeks back and wrote home. it was a short letter written to the telephone company asking them for a copy of the telephone directory from boise idaho, which is not what it is today. >> tell me the most important things facing your state now. is the sameacing us as what is facing everyone. services,d in public people are most concerned about jobs in the economy. other issues come and go, but jobs in the economy are always over-the-top. they're looking for financial security for themselves, or families. they want to be convinced they have the opportunities to have a good job, so that is what is on idahoans' minds.
we have fire southwest, that is on our minds. north korea is a huge issue for america. those issues come and go but those economic issues are always there. >> we thank you for talking with us. >> i enjoyed it. >> thank you. "washington journal" continues. host: new census numbers on poverty and income. we will get the calls and comments in a moments. we want to welcome olivia golden, the executive director for law and social policy and robert rector, a senior research fellow focusing on domestic policy. let me go through highlights. first, property is lowered them before the 2008 recession. the rate is 12.7%, down from 13.5% a couple of years ago. 2.5 million people no longer in poverty from last year