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in kuwait and iraq. she represents my state. we represent more than 100 countries aids us in inognizing the challenges operating in an editable world. we are pleased to have senator perspectives her of the world. thank you for taking the time to be here today. we are looking for two but this session. >> i want to introduce our who isr, nina easton, --o chair of most insulation
influential women. thank you for moderating. senator, thank you are being here. i have watched you from afar it is a treat to be here. thesentinues to exercise are women, mark power in your family. >> my daughter is at rep. torres: school at the united states military academy. her.very proud of she is strong willed young woman and believes in our country just as mom and daddy do. she does leave she can make a difference and i am glad for that. oak in iowa,om red
so was -- south west island, you -- you grewa farm up on a farm. what kind of a culture clash is that? i said with nina back home everybody knows me as joni. that's where i served as the county auditor and when i went to these date sent her -- the , all of these people i have known for my entire life. you?say what do we call
i said you call me joni. everybody. if i have the day off, no makeup, through my running shorts on and shop for groceries. everybody wants to catch, if not mrs. rarely about big world issues. >> we know from your campaign commercials that you grew up on if and you know how to castrate halls --hogs. anybody from iowa here? what else did you learn on the farm? >> hard work and determination. -- work ethic was an
ordinance and i don't mind getting my hands dirty. whether it was hoping my dance in the -- helping my dad worked in the field, you didn't grumble about it and it wasn't a big deal. familywork together as a growing up that way brought an interesting to when i see other i did a lot more than that. there has in a culture change but i think those values will carry on with me with my family. isworking with the family not exact week what you do these days on capital hill. we were talking about the connection between women
senators. talk about that. >> i do work a lot with other women senators and i found that sometimes working with other women we are in green in a position that we are not flex will. -- flexible. some men will dig in so deep but then they are rated to move away from that position. womenlding bond with senators, 21 of this now, we have that flip's ability to get things -- flexibility to get things done and the need to move forward. i ae can work together solution, we are moving in the right direction. was at an event with death
fisher --deb fisher. she is our neighbor from the rest cap grew up the same way i did. across the aisle, one of the relationship that i cherish the most is senator kristen gillibrand new york. while, youlks are are night and day different. we do have different policies ideas. it you had with women, can't find that five or send of the policies and issues you work on together, then we work on those issues. side we don'tt talk politics, we talk about our families and i value that.
>> you have an army background and use her been iraq, driving supply, or is. convoys. of the was the beginning war, the early part of iraqi freedom. when we got into the country and we were stationed in kuwait. we picked up supplies from the .arehouse and the ports we would take up the supplies and delivered them forward for our warriors front. there were issues that we had a long the way. we had not been in the country very long when we got our first mission into iraq. we did not have maps.
our battalion could not supply us with maps. they only had one map which they used in their operations so they couldn't give it to us. , we had a tennessee national guard unit at a nearby camp that had already made a trip into iraq, they did not have maps either so the commander came over sent down with me and my first surgeon and and hand drewers, a map from the hand drawn map that he had as well and that is how we navigated going into iraq. there was a lot of movement at that time a lot of convoys going perhaps we did
take a wrong turn at some point you can hunker down, safety eventually wee, knew that there would be other convoys making that route as well. the iraqis at that point were hostile in some situations to those of is bringing supplies north. man wouldre a young swarm are -- our convoys. they would try to stop the convoys, they would lay down in --path. you just keep rolling forward, you don't stop because it puts
everybody in jeopardy. iraqi men were not --te ready to meet our law allah. those were very intense moments because you don't want to make a mistake that would inflame the situation but you knew if you were threatened, you would have to take action. going in.and it home.ght all my soldiers . how many were in your company? >> 150. and we came home. experiencethe ground
set you well in the senate where you are on the emerging threat subcommittee. we have limited time we will dive into hotspots around the world. cards on your chairs, feel free to write out your just one note, if i can't read it i can't ask it. weill collect the cards and do want to include the audience in the questions. north korea. you have been getting briefings, you are at a briefing yesterday and you know a lot of stuff you can't talk about.
let me ask you broadly, do you think that there is -- we have been hearing rhetoric on both sides as you know. itthere a point at which hurts our cause in trying to contain that threat? there is rhetoric on both sides. don't think it is the determining factor at all. is determined to obtain nuclear capabilities for a long time. i don't think the president spur that action, that has been an ongoing process long time before we had an administration change. the president is talking about north korea and the leader in north korea, i think that he
is speaking truth to the situation. if north korea comes at us we will go back. go back full force, there is no messing around with north korea when they have nuclear capability. i can't speak for the president, but i do not see his words has worsened at all. if they keep moving ahead with their intentions of putting a ,uclear warhead on to an icbm that if they should use that technology, then we are going to go after them. >> is there anything short of an actual missile launch with a
nuclear device, or missile launch designed to infect the session? -- inflict destruction? that would be up to our military leaders and to provide that guidance for the president. but there are a lot of things short of nuclear. if they attack any of our allies or anybody in that region, there will be a response. should they not attack? i do not see military interventions short of any attack, nuclear or otherwise. out there, exists and we will continue to control. we saw some of our bombers with fighter escorts that moved a little bit to the east of north
korea. that has not been done in a long time. international area. so we are in our rights to fly those areas. northhink as long as korea continues on its path. see us continue to build our desire to protect our allies and our homeland. we will do everything we can short of war to deter this regime. a. easton: we were having conversation about the effectiveness and limitations of sanctions. having arnst: we were great discussion about the sanctions, and we know there are you an sanctions out there. there are other sanctions that have been put in place by congress. other countries are engaged in sanctions. they have to be enforced in are the -- in order to work, and there is a large black market
between china and korea. we need to make sure that that is cut off. otherwise, you will not see the impact that you what to see. i was having a discussion with the south korea trade minister and he said, senator, the weight americans view north korea is not necessarily accurate. we think of north korea in the 1990's state where north koreans were maybe starving and had a poor ag economy, and they have a very robust ag economy, where they are least able to feed their people. maybe not american diet, but they can feed their people. thosen we applied sanctions, we need to understand they can self-sustain for a wild. monthsay be a number of before we start to see the
impact of those sanctions on north korea. ms. easton: and you're making the point that having gotten that i level where they can eat, that when you start taking that way, you might see population level. senator ernst: yes, and that is when you might see a popular revolt. the standard of living is higher than in the past, and those who have experienced those decades of want and need, now that those wants and needs have been met and fulfilled, they don't want to go back to that standard of living. so if we start to see that they're not able to sustain their own population internally, the living standards start to drop, you may see that popular revolt, but then what happens when the people rise up against such a brutal regime? those are questions that are unanswered out there. ms. easton: and how have you viewed china's behavior in the last six months? has it evolved?
senator ernst: it has evolved and they have, in my estimation, when it comes to north korea, they have been very good partners. in what way? senator ernst: working on the sanctions. one thing that, of course, we needed to do was to get the buy-in from china on sanctions and china actually did move ahead with some of their own thoughts on how they could curtail goods going into north korea. so they actually started moving even before maybe the u.n. gave instruction on sanctions. we have the greatest ambassador ever in china right now. he's former iowa governor terry branstad. yeah. so governor branstead has had a very, very long relationship with president xi. they met in the 1980's in iowa and have maintained that
relationship ever since then. so they do have a good understanding of each other. president xi is well versed on the united states, and the governor, ambassador branstad with china. and having that relationship has been very helpful with what we see in north korea right now. i feel that china has been stepping up to the plate. there will come a time when china will not be able to do any that and what do we do at point? meantime, i think china has done quite well. ms. easton: and how close are you in touch with the ambassador? senator ernst: not at much the last several months. he's been very, very engaged in these actiontivities. we know through the state department they continue to work those channels. china has greater channels and greater accessibility to north korea than folks in the united
states does. they have been very, very engaged. ms. easton: and there have been reports that north korea is actually trying second track of finding republicans who can explain what the trump administration is all about. what do you make of that? senator ernst: that was a great question, a question posed by one of my colleagues on the left as well. there are two thoughts, really. you try and encourage that and start developing a relationship so you can exploit those relationships, or you just simply cut them off. what value would we get? we have to go through the pros and cons of either just, you know, ignore it or encourage it and use it to our advantage. ms. easton: right. senator ernst: and that's up for other departments to determine. ms. easton: beyond military action there's been talk of potential other ways to get -- to tamp down the north korean
threat, and one is a cyber attack from the united states. you're not very hopeful about that. can you describe why? senator ernst: no, because north korea doesn't have connectivity like many of our other developed countries has. and i was explaining to nina earlier that she probably has more connectivity at her house than the entire country of north korea. we simply can't do a cyber attack because there is no cyber there. there is very little of that in north korea. korea is one of the most difficult countries to get human intelligence from because it is hardened against every other country. when i visited the south korea-north korea border, the demilitarized zone just a little over a year ago, they explained to us that they have jammers all around the border of the country
so you can't get cell phone signals in, they can't get them out. it is a very, very difficult country to infiltrate. ms. easton: even for china? senator ernst: even for china unless you're on the black market. ms. easton: out of all of this bad news, you say there's good news in that you have great faith in the team that's breaching you. can you describe that? senator ernst: we've seen so many interaction between this congress, whether it's afghanistan, and north korea. the administration is very, very engaged with us in that they are at capitol hill every several weeks or we've even done a briefing at the white house as well. so we stay engaged, and what encourages me when i'm sitting in the all-senators briefings at the capitol, during those classified briefings, sitting up in front of us is chairman of
the joint chiefs of staffs, general dunford, secretary mattis, secretary tillerson, and our director of national intelligence. so we have four of the most powerful gentlemen that are working on these issues, and they're not just briefing us in a silo in each of their areas. they have worked together and collaborated between the agencies. if the left hand is doing one thing, the right hand knows what that left hand is going to do and can respond. so they are collaborating -- i know i've only been there six years, i've seen more interaction than i've seen in the previous two years that i've been in the senate. so they stay engaged with us. they answer our questions directly. when we -- and it's republicans and democrats in these briefings
and it's really interesting, when they're answering those questions, when they were laying out the strategy for afghanistan, when they're briefing us on north korea, it's interesting to see all the heads. it doesn't matter party. we're talking about national security. all the heads in the room just nodding in agreement. but through this collaboration we have been able to engage many other countries in this situation, and that's so important to remember that we are not in this situation alone. it's not just the united states against north korea. we have many, many partners that are very, very supportive. none of them want to see north korea as a nuclear power. ms. easton: right. so you want to talk about afghanistan. what are the greatest challenges facing the new policy in afghanistan? senator ernst: well, i think, one, to start, you have to have people that have faith in it.
and believe in it, and we saw that expressed from the president gony a few days ago after he met with the president at united nations. ms. easton: we had his wife on stage the other day. senator ernst: wonderful. ms. easton: she was fantastic. senator ernst: lovely. when they are meeting and when the president is reassuring the afghan people that we will support you, we will combat terrorism in your country, president trump ghani is coming back and saying, you know, the difference in the administration is night and day. so, one, we have to show them that we are willing to combat terrorism. we're taking the gloves off and terrorists, look out. we are working with the rules of engagement with our forces on the ground in afghanistan where maybe they felt they had their hands tied a little bit previously.
now our commanders on the ground can make the determinations necessary to go after those terrorists. they don't have to wait for a call from the white house to say it's ok to take down the cell. so we can see further progress. i can envision that moving forward, now that we have a comprehensive strategy. the president has made it very clear that we're not in this for nation building. we're in this to combat terrorists, and i think that's what our focus needs to be. so we will do that. there are many other countries that are engaged in nation building and would like to be a part of that. our main focus should be get rid of terrorists. -- terrorism. that protects our self-interest. ms. easton: you've had -- speaking of terrorism, interesting views on isis. you have a concern that the threat has moved.
to latin america and asia. senator ernst: latin america and southeast asia. we see isis spreading and i was infuriated when several years back, president obama described isis as a j.v. team. ms. easton: we remember that senator ernst: yes, knowing that it really, through the use of social media and other ways of communicating, they could rapidly develop and recruit. and they have done that. and because we didn't put them down in the very beginning, we didn't combat terrorism outright in the very beginning, we now have a well-developed organization which is not just in the middle east, but spreading into latin america, it's spread into southeast asia, in the philippines, and a lot of the planning on the september 11 attacks occurred from the philippines. so we have to find a way to wrap our arms around this and not just contain. i hated the phrase, when they
use the word contain isis. ms. easton: right. senator ernst: we don't want to contain isis. let's make no bones about it, bee want to destroy isis. -- we want to destroy isis. ms. easton: what evidence are you seeing in latin america? can you describe that more? that's didn't get a lot of attention. senator ernst: south com. the commanders at south-com have been concerned about this for a -- that was a concern of his, that they are using these channels to infiltrate those countries, raising money for drug trafficking, other types of bad activities, and because it is not much talked about, they are able to do it. so what we have to do is make sure that when our commanders are reporting that activities
that we take them seriously. we do not want isis to gain foothold in any additional countries. they have been able to establish some means of movement in latin america and again, going back to southeast asia, they continue to develop there. and we continue to combat that though. that's important is to understand that where they have established a foodhold, we're going after them. not just to contain them, but to destroy them. ms. easton: so another threat in the world, russia. russia's military drills have ukraine on the edge and other neighbors on the edge. how concerned are you about that? senator ernst: i am concerned about that. the exercises that we saw recently had 60,000 to 70,000 troops engaingeing between there and belarus. and we need to be concerned about this.
putin anynot trust further than we can throw them. they're not our friends. we should be concerned about that because our friends and allies in eastern europe are terrified of what could happen. alwaysends in ukraine remain concerned about what putin will do next. will it go beyond crimea, spread through the rest of their country? whether it is overt activities like their military exercises, or whether it is through cyber attacks, whether it's through assassinations that have been traced back to russia. there's a lot going on there and it hasn't been in the spotlight because of afghanistan and north korea. ms. easton: are they doing senator ernst: i wish would would do more. ms. easton: such as? senator ernst: we need to
provide them with a. ukraine, i have put forth for lethal help to ukraine. we can send radar and uniforms to our friends in ukraine, but they need the lethal aid. i think that is very important. it is wonderful we can send radar detectors and uniforms to our friends in ukraine, but they need that lethal aid. russia will not get the message unless the ukrainians are sending those russian troops home. ms. easton: do you have white house support on that? senator ernst: the white house has not been forthcoming on whether they do or do not support lethal aid to ukraine, and that's why we continue to push. we continue to push. i believe it's important. i've expressed that to the national security advisor as well. so we will continue to push that message and i hope we're responsive. ms. easton: do you think that all of the issues around the mueller investigation, does that
muddy the waters in terms of where we -- the united states should be seen in its relationship with putin? senator ernst: i think it muddies the water, but i would just say though with the special counsel, that follow -- if there is a trail, follow the trail. we need to know the truth as americans. i think that's really important to have a transparent government . ms. easton: right. senator ernst: so, do, but if you don't have a trail and you're not finding anything, then at some point, you need to hang it up so we can focus on priorities of our government and priorities in congress. ms. easton: but, i guess, i was thinking about in other terms when there's investigations about -- that may show some, clearly russia was meddling in our election, as the intelligence community has concluded. so let's take it back to that and the potential of campaign officials that might have had some link to that. does that muddy the waters? senator ernst: it muddies the
water as far as elections go, and again, they need to follow whatever trails exist out there, but moving forward, president trump is the president and the president is expected to do what is right for our nation. and so i would encourage the president to continue to push back against putin. so whatever existed prior and i don't know what existed, again, we need to figure that out, but moving forward, from day one, our interests come first as the united states of america. making sure that we're protecting our interests, our national security and security of our allies. that's number one. if putin is doing something or wishes us ill-will we should be pushing back against that and the president should do that. and that's why i think he should provide lethal aid to our ukrainian friends. ms. easton: excellent. question cards, are they being -- no, no, you have to write them down. questions --
write them down. and people are collecting them. i keep using up all of our audience's time which isn't -- do you believe that it is possible for the u.s. and russia to work together to balance against chinese interests in central asia? senator ernst: again, when it comes to russia, i think i stated i don't trust putin. ms. easton: a few times. senator ernst: any further than i can throw him. but there are ways, when sometimes adversaries become interesting allies on a very limited scope. ms. easton: right. senator ernst: and right now, we have certain interests with russia, we have certain interests with china. we have to balance that, but i would be very cautious in working with russia. ms. easton: quick answer to this, what is the continuing resolution between for defense
spending in fy 2018? are you concerned where things are going? senator ernst: bottom line, we should not be doing continuing resolution. we at congress need to do exactly what we're entrusted to do and that is to set the budget and pass the appropriations bill. we have to get back to regular order. secretary mattis has stated this time and again, general dunford has stated this. you talk to any of our service branch chiefs. they've state it had as well. with continuing resolutions we can't do our job as a military. you can't plan long-term. we can't sustain maintenancement -- maintenance. we can't engage in the types of activities that we need to engage in when we're operating on a three-month continuing resolution or a six-month continuing resolution. that doesn't work. i challenge business partners out in private industry, ask them if they operate on a three-month budget or a six-month budget, and they have no idea beyond that? we have got to get back to regular order. we've got to take it seriously if for no other reason than to
make sure our nation stays strong. ms. easton: let me ask you as we're waiting for the questions, another domestic issue. news came out this week at air force academy where there were racial slurs directed at one of the soldiers there, one airman there, i should say. and the commander came down incredibly eloquently and hard on the perpetrators and anybody who engages in that kind of behavior. talk about the military as being where america really is today in terms of race. senator ernst: it is, and, one, that should never ever be tolerated, and so we're glad that the command has responded to that. i'm appalled that the airman or the cadet didn't understand what they were doing or if they did, they were really wrong. i mean, that should never be tolerated, but our nation's military today is truly a great
representation of all ethnicities, all religions, all backgrounds. even in the iowa national guard i've served with so many people from so many different backgrounds. you see it all in the military and sometimes it is mostly the good, mostly the good, and every once in a while you will have those bad actors that need to be dealt with. but i'm always encouraged when i see our young people that are deciding, you know, this is a career that i want to engage in. i want to do something for my country, and you know, we've had a rough time in the senate lately. some -- it's hard to get some work done. ms. easton: really? hadn't noticed. senator ernst: had some blows lately, but i did have a service academy night back in iowa back a while back, and the young men and women that came out to find out about the different service academies and ask questions about it, after visiting with
all of those brilliant young men and women, and why they wanted to serve their country, you know what? it puts it into perspective, you know? i might have bad days, but here are young men and women willing to step up and serve their country and make it a better place and i felt so good after that and it puts it into perspective. ms. easton: since you have a catch a plane we'll go through these as quickly as possible. we have a lot of them. --you think -- should go south korea go nuclear, and japan go nuclear? senator ernst: oh, my goodness. do i think that? i would defer to my friends in south korea and japan. and i would not want to see that. i certainly would hope that they would be able to provide the protections necessary for japan and south korea. but there have been talk about that, and, of course, we want them to do whatis right for them, but we should be the ones protecting that region. we made that commitment, and it's important that we stand by that commitment.
ms. easton: what will congress do if the president doesn't recertify the iranian nuclear deal? senator ernst: that's a good question. ms. easton: another good question. senator ernst: we only have a couple of months to make a decision if he should not reengage, but the iranians have also said, well, they'll just trash the package if he doesn't sign off on it. so congress -- we didn't like the iranian nuclear deal in the first place, at least the majority of folks in the senate. so our response to that just trying to look at the makeup we have now in the senate, i think we would let it go. i think we would let the iranian nuclear agreement go, but then understanding that we need to know whether the repercussions, and how do we deal with iran should it begin to develop nuclear capabilities. ms. easton: that creates a whole other issue. yeah, that's another conversation. a troubling one. history has shown that nation building in in some form is a
key to counterinsurgency. you were critical of nation building in afghanistan. the administration has stated we're not conducting nation building. how do we reconcile the military reality of conducting insurgency counterterrorism without nation building? where do we draw the line in supporting the afghan government ? senator ernst: we shouldn't be engaged in nation building, but the people in that region or country that may have an interest in afghan for the long run, the people in their back yard, maybe providing those types of supports within afghanistan. i know that's been part of the state department conversation with other leaders in that region. so we can send our military and we can go after the terrorists , but in collaboration we need to work with other countries that are willing to support those efforts. it is all part of the package. unfortunately, the united states has put a lot of money into afghanistan trying to do nation
building with very little to show from it. there's a lot of corruption that still exists in afghanistan. a lot of dollars have disappeared. and we have to be responsible as well for our taxpayers, but we can encourage other types of nation building activities through other means in other countries. ms. easton: pakistan, another good question. at general dunford's reconfirmation hearing, he agreed that success in afghanistan can only occur if the full weight of government can placed on pakistan and -- -- on pakistan to change their behavior actually in support of actually in support of insurgent , groups. where does the u.s. government start and what leverage do you have to convince pakistan? senator ernst: well, we do have leverage with india as well, using india to leverage pakistan. pakistan has provided an open border for terrorists and we have to stop that. the united states has provided different types of military supports for pakistan in the past, different types of equipment.
we don't offer that anymore. they need to understand that you need to be good partners with us in combatting terrorism or we will not be good partners to you in enhancing your military structure. ms. easton: we've danced around that for years, so what are the prospects that that will actually change? senator ernst: i think it's actually coming to a head and it needs to change and again, those are the discussions that we have have as we work on a comprehensive strategy for afghanistan, and part of that was using other countries in the region as leverage against pakistan so that they do start adhering to what we need them to adhere to, closing off the closing off the borders, stopping the support for the terrorist organization. it has to happen. tough love. ms. easton: another good topic that we didn't have a chance to talk about earlier was syria. how should the u.s. be involved in the peace process in reconstruction in syria?
i would add to that, you know, not -- a few years back, we were saying assad was going to be out in a few months, constantly. it's clearly, i assume you don't see that happening. ms. easton: -- senator ernst: i don't see that ms. easton: and so where from here and what should the u.s. involvement be? senator ernst: well, u.s. involvement. we are involved in syria. we do have special operators that continue to maneuver and support forces in syria. a regime change is not necessarily what we want to see right now, necessarily. of course i would love to see assad gone, but the reality is, he is there and we don't have a government to go in or a replacement for assad. so understanding what does that political future look like for the country of syria is an undetermined. but we do know assad. so we will continue to provide those special operators in that marines that provide
for artillery support. we continue with those operations. stabilizing that government and protecting the people that exist within that country, that will be a difficult task. -- country you served in talk about the instability there. the country you served in. sen. easton: i stood by delaying the vote. i really appreciate the kurdish people. i appreciate the president. supportedstration has
the warriors over the past several decades. they are important to us. we need to focus on terrorism. region is not stable right now because of terrorism. if we can focused on that fight against isis, and then move forward in another direction, those are talks we can have. we want to be working with the greater part of iraq as best as we can. if we have further division right now, it could be detrimental to our site. our closing question. emergingu discuss threats to middle america. how would you communicate the importance of issues that feel miles away?
what about foreign aid? how do you talk about foreign aid and diplomacy? ms. easton: i think -- sen. ernst: i think iowans understand this. approximately 270 thousand veterans. a huge concentration of veterans. stone in ahrow a neighborhood without hitting veterans. we do have a global perspective. we are engaged with the sons and daughters in the fight around the world. we are a global stage. jobs in iowa is tied it to trade or experts. s. trade or export
this corn i am growing will go somewhere else in the world. " i get a lot of understanding nods with folks, who understand with north korea being so thatrous, they understand they may have to stand up and mobilize and descendent soldiers into the korean peninsula if something happens. they get that, because it is their neighbor. they guess that's. i appreciate that. iowans also understand that foreign aid is important. i know it is important. if we can stabilize the region and use that as leverage, those countries we are supporting and we are generous to, whether it is through medical supplies or
foodstuffs, they appreciate that assistance. they are more likely to be allies than enemies. whether it ise, military or a foreign -- or foreign aid. owans -- iowans get it. i am proud of the service they have dedicated to the nation. they show it in so many different ways. in my hometown, they have homecoming. i will be sitting in the bleachers later this evening. they get it. ms. easton: you are incredibly passionate. and not just use of force. we appreciate that. thank you so much for being here. have a safe trip home. sen. ernst: god bless. [applause]
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funding needs to be sufficient to provide services to people. it has to be quality care. most of it is not. anyone wouldl as know. you did discussions over the decades and various panels. on how we can have meaningful, quality outcomes. and offer new methods. but they are not being of limited and there is no culture of enforcement. i have argued what we are facing in this country is what amounts to an epidemic of behavioral health now practiced, even if it isn't acknowledged as such within the legal system. malpractice attorneys don't take a case unless someone has died. sunday night, at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span two's book tv.
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