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them to implement sanctions. president trump is meeting with leaders of japan south korea and china to talk about countering north korea and its nuclear program. on north koreaon relations and north korea's nuclear program, it is just under an hour. >> please join me in welcoming the foreign minister from the republic of korea. [applause]
we are very lucky to have senior vice president for asia and the institute president director here today to opening remarks. i would like to quickly introduce them before they step on stage. dr. greene's senior vice president for asia and chair in modern and contemporary japanese politics and foreign policy. he formally served as senior director for asia and special assistant to the president at the nfc. -- previously he was a senior political scientist at the rand corporation and director of the andan studies institute professor of international relations at the university of southern california.
get -- dr. greene will give remarks first, followed by dr. hahn. >> thank you so much for joining us today, it is an and honor for all of us in the audience. opportunity tohe hear your vision on korea's policy. immediately the north korea and nuclear missile problem. whether it is the korean peninsula or the moxie and development in asia or building rules for trade and invest and, the same principle applies.
when asked if the united states should go to the fence of korea in an attack, the number are higher than they have ever been. in korea are very strong. our alliance is strong and what we need is vision and leadership. i'm going to ask my friend from the institute to say some words. he has been a great partner for csi asked. we do intellectual work together. he is publishing my book and korean. let me invite him up to the stage. >> thanks for the introduction. welcome. it's perfect timing.
i think we are going through one of the most important phases in our nations history. and of course on bilateral relations. i think this kind of forum is exactly what is needed at this particular juncture. i would like to thank you for -- cohosting this occasion. the alliance by lateralization goes, it is much more multidimensional than a lot of you would suspect.
we have the most important policymakers with us. mike actually mentioned it briefly, we ought to have the future of our bilateral relations here. other than organizing events we also send over 20 that she would have an odd number interning at various organizations, ink tanks and ngos here. always incredibly grateful. let me just try to identify you. i would like to take
this opportunity to ink you for welcoming them to washington dc. making it their second home. and the kind of networks and connections they are creating here and the experience they are will -- back with them i would really like to thank you for. this symbolizes the multilayered ways in which we work. i think the future of the alliance is very bright. let's hope we get over this particular juncture in the
industry and we will have a fabulous future for both of our countries. and we can build a much greater future for our region as well. thank you very much. >> thank you both for those welcoming words. welcome to csi asked for a very special event today. that is welcoming back the foreign minister. she was here earlier when he first came to washington. we want to welcome her back. the next time she was going to be in the neighborhood and happened to be at the u.n., we asked her to come down and join , i will probably introduce
her in a second. personally for me a pleasure to have her here with secretary albright. i have known her for 10 years when we met that rainy day when you are erected general at the foreign ministry. to see you here with us today. foreign minister, as you know, as the minister for foreign , previously she served .s senior advisor on policy veteran diplomat in multilateral policy, having served both the korean government's and the united nations. she certain key u.s. posts in 2006 and is the only person to begin in position by three successive secretary-general's.
positions in very the national assembly between 1990 and 2006. she was appointed director general for international organizations in 2005 and served as minister counselor and permanent mission to the u.n. from 2001 through 2005, during which she shared the commission on the status. it is a distinct are to have the foreign minister join us today to give her foreign policy. ministerlcome foreign kang. [applause] >> thank you professor for that warm introduction.
it makes me feel very old in age. hopefully the experience has been worth it. madam secretary, madeleine albright, ambassadors, thank you very much for this warm welcome. pleasure of a coming the president when he came to a dress you in late june, and it is wonderful to be back in your midst. first visit to washington dc as foreign minister. this these event is already the second one just weeks after taking office. and much has happened since then. and i'm grateful for giving me this opportunity to share some thoughts on the importance and strengths of the u.s. alliance.
vis-a-vis the heightened threat of north korea's nuclear missile program. deep appreciation to secretary madeleine albright for being your with us today, you remain an inspiration to all of us. i arrived here yesterday after spending and invents a week in new york. and the rest in bilateral's end group meetings of my counterparts from various corners of the world, including secretary tillerson and the u.s. secretary-general. korean nuclearh issue was the main focus of the high-level discussions in new york last week. many accounts north korea's nuclear program seems to be at a tipping point. the yield of its six nuclear
tests was greater than all of the greater spy tests combined. north korea fired to ballistic missiles over japan to substantiate its threat of enveloping fire around the island of guam. indeed the recent events this has in their capabilities been much faster than anticipated. pyongyang seems to be fast approaching its goal of having of havingpped nuclear tipped icbms capable of targeting the continental united states. in tackling the north korean nuclear issue, the coordination between the republic of korea and the united states cannot be over emphasized. at their second face-to-face meeting in new york last week, our two presidents condemned north korea's provocation in the
strongest terms. had agreed maximum pressure to be placed on north korea in response, and stressed the importance of faithful and in allul implementation previous resolutions. the same strong will was expressed by members of the security council during the open debate on nonproliferation. the results were overwhelming support from my government's approach to the challenge. that is firm and stronger pressure. change courseorea towards a peaceful and diplomatic solution. the call for diplomacy is also the clear wish of the public, both in korea and the united states as recent polls indicate. sanctions and pressure against north korea are a diplomatic tool, they are not meant to collapse or bring down north korea, but to bring it to the negotiating table for serious
denuclearization talks. further more they are necessary, but not enough. they must be accompanied by strong deterrent capabilities. both presidents moon and trump reaffirmed that maintaining overwhelming military superiority over north korea was essential. and committed to strengthening the robust posture. the meeting between the two presidents served to underscore the clear focus of our alliance in achieving the goal of complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of north korea in a peaceful manner, and rallying the support of international community. toward that end, the close coordination between the republic of korea, the united states and japan is essential as is the constant engagement to win the full support of china and russia.
ladies and gentlemen, i'm sure you've already seen the north korean leader's statement threatening and i quote, the strongest counter measures ever, unquote against the united states. this message delivered in his own name for the first time was echoed by the north korean foreign minister in his speech at the u.n. and he ramped up the rhetoric this morning to the press stating and i quote, since the u.s. declared a war on our country, we'll have every right to take counter measures, end quote. indeed it is very likely that north korea will conduct further provocations and under these circumstances it is imperative that we, korea, and the united states together manage the situation with astuteness and steadfastness in order to prevent the further escalation of tension or any kind of accidental military clashes in the region which can quickly spiral out of control.
there cannot be another war in the region. there cannot be another outbreak of war on the korean peninsula. the consequences would be devastating, not just for the korean peninsula, but for northeast asia and indeed the whole international community. and we cannot put at risk the safety and security of our citizens who have worked tirelessly for seven decades to build a model democracy and market economy from the total destruction of war. at this very venue last june, president moon envisioned a very different future for north korea and the korean peninsula. he urged north korea to choose wisely in deciding its destiny rather than blaming others for its deepening isolation and economic hardship. in a speech to the general assembly last week, president
moon once again stressed that the korean government does not seek the collapse of north korea, nor unification by absorb gs or artificial means, rather what we seek is permanent peace on the korean peninsula and denuclearization of the korean peninsula in a peaceful manner and i echo president's message, which fully resonates with secretary tillerson's four nose policy calling for diplomatic solution as the first and foremost preferred approach. north korea must take heed of our messages and change course and the first step would be for the north to stop its provocations. the political and diplomatic effort toward the denuclearization of north korea and improvements in south korean relations can and must be pursued in a mutually reinforcing manner. in this regard, we once again
urge the north to respond to our concrete proposals to revive south/north context beginning with two very small proposals made on july 17th and start laying the building blocks for inter-korean reconciliation and lasting peace on the korean peninsula. as president moon remarked at the united nations, peace is our calling and our historical duty. ladies and gentlemen, the north korean nuclear issue is the most difficult challenge the korea-u.s. alliance is facing and it made the alliance even stronger. in fact, the alliance is as robust as ever and the ties between our two countries have been never so rich and diverse, so wide and so deep. over the years and decades we have seen the alliance evolve into a uniquely vibrant strategic and fulsome partnership of all around mutual benefit and ever expanding
horizon for future growth. allow me to elaborate. first and foremost, the alliance has served as the anchor of peace and security on the korean peninsula and in the asia pacific region. in the process, it has safeguarded the evolution of a vibrant democracy in south korea and it's emer jents as a an economic powerhouse of global stature as well as a reliable military ally of the united states in many corners of the world with increasingly robust capabilities of its own. in the process, korea's contribution to the alliance has continued to grow. korea is now spending 2.4% of our gdp for defense, bearing a significant cost of the stationing of the u.s. forces in korea and providing the lion's share for the relocation of camp humphreys which is the largest overseas u.s. military base. second, the economic pillar of
the alliance, the course fta has enabled the u.s. to secure a strong foot hold in -- the northeast asia market. the chorus america's first fta in the region has provided american companies with greater access to the korean market while inviting korean investments throughout many states in the u.s. the u.s. has the deficit in goods traded but a surplus in services and korean investments in the u.s. have grown many fold during the past five years since the agreement went into effect. overall, the course fta has been a win-win deal and a driving force for greater growth and prosperity in both countries. it is the material key if i may use that term way beyond an economic tool that locks in our peaceful and prosperous future together. third, korea has stood shoulder to shoulder with the united states in tackling global issues.
we are working together to meet new challenges in many front tears and multilateral arenas, most of all the united nations. our collaborations in global health, security, human rights and gender equality, science and technology and space and in fighting the threat of isis, terrorism and violence extremism are only a few of many good examples that i am proud to put forward. and last but not least, korea has become a strong hold of democracy and liberal values of free market economy and trade in a reejen of vital interest to the united states. the alliance will continue to safeguard the future of a peaceful and prosperous korean peninsula and the region and serve as -- serve our shared security and economic interests
not to mention the values that we together stand for. our alliance is now 64 years old or young. it has achieved much but has a great deal more to do. this is an appliance forced -- forged in blood, transformed through decades of painstaking efforts and striving for peace, lasting peace and prosperity on the korean peninsula and beyond. but like all enduring and thriving relationships, the alliance also has issues to work through and problems to solve with care, attention and investments in time and resources. in particular, we must muster the very best of our security and diplomatic endeavors, in leading the global community to face down the north korean nuclear threat and safeguard our
shared security and economic interests. this is also fundamental to preserving not -- nonnuclear proliferation. committed to denuclearization on the korean peninsula, korea is a leading voice in the wmd nonprelive ration regime which is are essential to the global security architecture. however, this is a task not just for our governments, at the core the alliance is grounded upon the shared values of democracy, rule of law and human rights that are the foundations of both of our countries -- and there is nothing as abiding and strong as values that make for abiding and strong relationships. thus, we need the active interest and support of our citizens, especially opinion leaders such as all of you here today and future opinion leaders as the asan fellows who are having a great time here at the csis. ladies and gentlemen, born of the candlelight rallies and the ernst aspirations of the people
for greater transparency and accountability in democracy, my government is committed to taking public diplomacy and outreach both inside and outside the country to a whole new level. and central to that effort, is to assure the continued grounding of our alliance in the hearts and minds of our peoples. and we will take the alliance from good to great together and that calls for the active and thoughtful support of all of you here. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you very much minister kyung. you'll be joined on stage by madam secretary albright and dr. cha.
family wants a modern? -- >> you want some water? >> some parts of chivalary. thank you. >> so just to get us started, the -- this and i will introduce secretary albright in a minute but this all came about because when president moon came here and the foreign minister accompanied him, secretary albright were in the lobby and i think we were waiting for the president to arrive and john hemry said we have the two historic women here, both the first lead diplomats for their countries and we have to have an event with the two of them together and so that's how this all came about and so you can see csis follows through on what we promise that we're going to do.
but in but it's true honor to have the foreign minister and secretary albright here on the stage. we've already introduced the foreign minister but let me introduce someone who needs no introduction really. i will introduce her any way. the honestly madam albright was the first woman to serve as america's top diplomat as the 64th u.s. secretary of state from 1997 to $2001. she serve as the u.s. permanent representative to the united nations from 1993 to 1997. currently dr. albright is chair of the albright stone bridge grum and chair of albright capital management. she is also a professor in the practice of diplomacy at georgetown university in the school of foreign service and is a member of the defense policy
board at the u.s. department of defense. dr. albright received the presidential medal of freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor in 2012. so to begin the discussion, i thought -- i would ask secretary albright a question first and given that as dr. green mentioned, north korea's so much the central issue it was a topic, the lead topic of the foreign ministers conversations in new york last week. i think the foreign ministers remarks on the alliance were very reassuring about the solidarity of the alliance and the face of the challenges that are so obvious today, however, when it comes to north korea, secretary albright, you were the last senior u.s. official to spend time in north korea and more importantly, to have direct contact with the north korean leader and i guess the question is, based on your experience
there which is a unique and historic experience, what can you share from that experience that might help the rest of us in this room think about the problem today? >> it's wonderful to be here with the first and with you my colleague at georgetown so it's very great occasion. thanks for following through on this. delighted. let me say, it's interesting that i was there in 2000 and that is the last -- i was the highest level -- i'm still the highest level sitting official to spend time in pyongyang and what i think is important for us to understand, this is not been an easy relationship all along, and when i was at the united nations, the north koreans were
already threatening to pull out of the mbt. i remember this was just before my birth daily and the north korean perm rep gave this unbelievable speech and i was trying not to take the bait, but i said, basically, i would like to thank the north korean representative for his speech in making me feel 40 years younger with a speech out of the cold war. but we had begun to deal with a variety of issues and what they were doing in terms of their nuclear production and bob galucci is here having negotiated the agreed framework which i think was a very important step forward. now i hold no brief for the north koreans on anything that i'm saying but one of the issues really was, were we delivering,ing were the light water reactors being built, what were the south koreans and the japanese doing and just generally how we arer were we going? the situation deteriorated in a number of different ways and the clinton administration did a review of the whole policy whaen did happen that was very interesting, vice marshal choe came to the united states and we, in fact, signed a no hostile
intent agreement that i think was a very important part. he had come in order to invite president clinton to go to north korea. president clinton said maybe at some point but i have to send the secretary of state. so i am very glad i went. dennis rodman is all my fault because the only thing we knew about kim jong-un was that he liked basketball and michael jordan so i took over an autographed basketball which in their holy of hol i didn'ts which kim jong-un apparently saw. i do think it was a very important discussion because we missileking about material, missile limits, and really were in the middle of discussions that then the election of 2000 is confusing to many people. the bottom line is the policy we
were in the middle of working on did not get followed. sherman was with me. she was all set to go to the continuation of the talks in kuala lumpur, and all of a sudden that was all called off. as a result of the discussion, there is no new fiscal material added. i think it was an important time. i was having dinner with kim jong-il, and we were talking about many things. kept saying things like, what do you think of the swedish model? i was trying to figure out. then he asked me, how does my interpreter compare with conduct another?h i said you have the best woman interpreter i have ever heard.
[laughter] it helped a lot, believe me. i do think that what is interesting is at that time they were prepared to have missile limits. jong-il said to forces we could keep our in south korea. i am very sorry we cut that off as a result of a change in policy where the bush administration didn't believe in the sunshine policy. there has been a history of this, and i think we need to understand that this is an incredibly complex problem. it has gotten more and more complicated and needs to be dealt with. we don't need to ramp up the rhetoric. we need to really work. it would be great if we had an investor. [laughter]
>> thank you madam secretary. foreign minister kang, do you feel at the situation today is different from the one that secretary albright faced? do you see differences or similarities compared to what the secretary had to deal with given the challenges we have today? >> it is the most repressive and insulated country, but certainly the leadership changed from kim jong-il to kim jong-un on has had some significant
consequences. we are talking about a leader who has not met a single head of state or government, any foreign leader of any significance. therefore it makes it much more actionstable than his seem to indicate. of course, a huge difference now is that the regime by these provocations and going against the clear will of the community now under the most harshest sanctions regime ever. this after the six nuclear explosions. said, are in, as i
response to the provocations, that cannot bes funds going into development of their missiles and nuclear weapons program. the regime needs to get the point that this is absolutely unacceptable, and in making that it is the whole of the international community through that hascurity council the ability and the authority to make decisions that are binding for all members of the international community. the global context surrounding the regime is a very different one than what it was prior to
the sanctions kicking in. >> as you mentioned in your speech, the focus seems to be right now on so-called maximum pressure and sanctions in the nuclear tests.x i guess there are two questions. the first is do you feel like this effort of sanctions is working? do you feel like it is making progress? is even asquestion those sanctions are making progress, and you still feel there is room for diplomacy, and under what conditions do you think there is room for diplomacy? if you look at the evolution of the sanctions, until early
, prior to the latest resolution, sanctions were really targeting just the wmd program. fourth nuclear test and 20 resolution, it is all around pressure to ensure the economic pressures and the funds are dried up. the effect of that kind of has time toanction see effect, but especially with the latest ones that are gets to the -- economic lifeline of the country
, the 30% cut in the oil products overall. by some estimates this will all end up in a 90% drop in the resourcesin, and the that could somehow end up in their missiles in nuclear program. i think there is still room for diplomacy. lines of the statements the north koreans themselves may, they are not quite there yet, but certainly time is running out. , and ie fast approaching think we need to make sure therefore that the sanctions are implemented in a unified,
concerted manner. it is hugely important we have china and russia on board. i think china is on board, and we continue to make sure that they as members of the security and basically was controls over the trade going in and out of the country. engagement with china and russia is a very integral part of this endeavor.
ms. albright: sanctions always take a wild to take effect, and these are complicated. is to cute issue here off money to the north korean regime because they need it in order to get the various components of parts of this organized, and also to get them isolated. i think we need to pursue that in a very big way. i also think this has to be a government thing from both of our countries, and that it isn't just the diplomacy or to. -- iuld need to be very think we need to be very firm and a variety of ways. the chinese are now , but it what to
make it seem as though we are telling what to do. i think it is important that it is the security council resolution. party i think is truly important is to lower the temperature. i am concerned about accidents of some kind that might happen. we need to be very clear about what is going on, and i know nothing beyond what i read in the papers. i certainly hope that there's some secret channel going on because i do think that there needs to be discussions and an understanding, and i am really sorry, frankly. basically it was a no hostile intent, and i think it is very clear that that was something tot had an important role play, but this does have to be global. i do think your statements are right on.
>> i would like to switch topics now. i wanted to talk. those of you are historic figures. you are to women who have led your country's foreign policies. the question is, do you think there are additional burdens or expectations or considerations being the top diplomats for your countries that come with the job in this respect, being these historic diplomats? are there things you feel that some of us in this room don't understand? [laughter]
how you manage those expectations or burdens? ms. albright: it was kind of strange. i am historic because i am so old. [laughter] the bottom line is it seems so unusual. when my name first came up people said a woman couldn't be secretary of state because eric countries would not deal with a woman. the arab ambassadors -- area but countries would not deal with a woman. i ultimately did get to be secretary of state. i had no problem when i went to foreign countries. i came in a very large plane that said the united states of america, and everybody knew if they wanted to have a foreign-policy discussion they had to have it through me.
i had more problems with the men in our own government because they couldn't figure out how i got to be secretary of state when they should be secretary of state. they had also known me so long, they knew me as a carpal mother that's the carpal mother -- see mother. it worked because president clinton wanted me there. that is the part that makes a difference in terms of how the president treats the secretary of state or the foreign minister. when i got to the united nations first in 1993, who was one of the first time they didn't have to cook lunch myself. i asked my assistant to invite the other women permanent representative.
i get to my residence and there are six other women there out of 183 other members at the time. being the american, i created a caucus, and we called ourselves the g7. [laughter] --ll lobby the more of us there are, the better it is. we are able to support each other. i think it is a great job for women and men. by the way, my youngest granddaughter seven years ago said, so what is the big deal about grandma being be secretary of state? he had seen condie and hillary.
i think men are probably encouraged by john kerry and tillerson. [laughter] >> i think it is also a response to the times. i think the appointment was very refreshing. the process through the parliamentary hearing was gruesome, but revealed a lot of existing stereotypes and social expectations about women and women leaders. whenever there was remarks that reflected that old way of thinking, there was even media pushback from women's groups against that.
i had to defend myself in the parliamentary hearing, but there was a lot of social debate going on online of the pros and cons, bad things and good things. it became almost a social phenomenon. society coming to terms with the fact that it is about time we had a woman at this important government position. i don't think the president himself expected that. i think he took me on because of my experience of being in the foreign ministry for many years at a key post and being in the u.n. for 10 years and having observed the countries in that global scheme of things. policy want a foreign outlook that is much broader than the traditional one of very much focused on the neighborhood and dipping into other parts of the region whenever we can.
he really is about diversifying the country's profile in the larger global scheme of things. i think he really thought that i would be able to bring that profile in. -- i can't tell you how famous i am. [laughter] i can't walk the streets because everybody recognizes me. says, manyleine of the men in the country are not ready. two i went to parliament weeks ago, there is a part or all the ministers go and respond to questions from members of parliament. one elderly lawmakers stood up on the podium and started the question by commenting on my hair. that triggered a huge controversy on the floor between women parliamentarians and we didn'tnd therefore
have time for the question and answer. that was a shame. what a waste of valuable time. these things happen. with every incidents like that that was so publicly played out , people learn. at least, he would have learned. i don't think he would never question my hair again in such a public setting. i do feel that the establishment, whether it is the foreign ministry bureaucracy or the government establishment in general, is fully comfortable with gender equality even though we have 60% or 70% coming in at the entry-level. the culture is still not that friendly to women. or two families. women have to work doubly hard
to keep the balance between work and family going. because i haveat managed to have a career with three kids. they are all young adults now. things thatncrete can be done to ensure that the really service is welcoming of these huge numbers of young women who want to become diplomats. we have visits from the korean national academy. the vast majority of these first year foreign service officer candidates are all women. they are much smarter than the men. [laughter]
i wanted to give you a chance to not just talk to me, but talk to each other. this will be the last question. albright,r secretary we are both at georgetown. is there any advice or a cheat sheet you can give to foreign minister kang to help her succeed? ms. albright: ok. [laughter] i think the best advice i can give is first of all, you have to know what you are talking about. i don't even have to tell you this. you have to speak early in the meeting.
you have to interrupt. if the men are talking over you. i really do think the most important part is to understand the breadth of what you are involved in, which is what is so interesting. national security and foreign policy i think is definitely a growth industry in terms of the various subjects out there and in terms of being foreign minister, the things that go beyond just the national security issues in terms of talking about climate and health and having a scientific basis, and if you can't do it yourself, you get people around you that know how to do that. the other part that i would say -- i think i was probably a bureaucratic disaster so i shouldn't tell you this -- i was not real good about going through the chain of command. i wanted to talk to people that were actually doing the work.
the desk officers, people that really understood the details. the other thing i liked was to have people argue in front of me. was, because of my academic side, when i tried to do was what i called no-fault dinners, which meant i would bring outsiders in. it wasn't that they were afraid to say something to me, but that what would get out where the questions i was asking because i didn't want that to indicate some direction i was going in. i do think it is a good idea to bring outsiders in in some way and really get a feeling for what the sense is out in the -- one of the hard parts, and i do teach the practice of diplomacy, is really the academy and the practitioners don't always connect. there's an awful lot of good ideas in the academy or out that need to be brought in. >> i completely take all of
that, and i think i am already implementing some of that. i'm trying to introduce a program of reform to the ministry. the ministry has rightly or wrongly always been criticized as being too insular. recruit.pecial i joined midcareer, and that was a special exception. the ministry was traditionally staffed by people came -- revamping the way we recruit, changing methods that make it less bureaucratic and more streamlined, all kinds of things , these little changes that can be catalytic. is, i wanted to ask you sometimes it feels very lonely.
how do you manage that loneliness? ms. albright: it is lonely. first of all ages important to get the best women you can around you. one of the things i have to tell , i brought wendy sherman and as counselor because we had known each other for a very long time. you get criticized because when you bring in a woman they say she is afraid of strongmen. it is kind of hard to ever get it exactly right. but i do think that what is important is to bring people around you that you'd don't feel lonely. but the decisions are lonely in the end. there's one thing i forgot to advise you on, which is we have in our system the principals committee where you are about things before you take them to the president. i was actually on it when i was an ambassador to the united nations. i felt very strongly about the fact that we needed to do more
things in bosnia. i would argue, and invariably one of the men would say, don't be so emotional. i learned to argue differently. i think that is a very important part. also what i think is very important is never let them see you be angry. but i do think the loneliness is something which is why it is nice to have a family. i have three kids. we kind of reversed roles. one of my daughters was in charge of my account life, and she would call me up and say, mom, do you really need those shoes? [laughter] when i was in bosnia and subjected to stones being thrown at me and cnn said i was stoned in bosnia, my. are called the state department and the operations center, have you heard from our mother?
she said, don't ever do that to us again. you can't make us worry about you. family is what gives you stability. >> i want to thank both of you for taking the time to engage in this discussion. i found it fascinating. ladies and gentlemen, please thank the foreign minister and the secretary. [applause] >> thank you. we will be back here in 15 minutes. please give us a moment while the secretary and minister depart the building. thank you. announcer: tomorrow on
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