tv Texas Tribune Festival - Trump Mexico CSPAN October 12, 2017 1:32am-2:36am EDT
>> thanks everyone. announcer: texas and mexican officials discuss u.s. mexico relations under the trump administration as part of this years texas tribune festival held in austin. the panel includes congressmen henry cuellar and antonio garza. this is one hour. >> hello everybody. welcome to this panel. everybody. let me introduce the panel. wasressmen henry cuellar elected in 2005 to represent
district 28 here and he serves on the house appropriations committee and on the committees of homeland security. as housey, he served trained in the house of representatives. -- then we have the -- then, thisonal congressmen served in the texas house. i want to put you to together. he is an eighth generation farmer and rancher who served on agriculture policy board and energy council.
previously she served as county commissioner for precinct to and a member of numerous boards in el paso. has focused on border policy, education, and youth leadership. she works for the 16th congressional district. the -- fromerved as 2002 two 2009. he served as the texas secretary of state and is chairman of the texas railroad commission. of a management consulting firm managing cross-border business development. he is not housebroken.
[laughter] he has served as the mexican state from web county to brownsville since 2016. he previously served as mayor in a border city and as a federal senator. as the governor has advocated for greater cooperation between texas and mexico. he was born in texas, with a his go there, and is the only dual national governor in mexico. the fiveour of panelists were born along the border. the title of the panel is trump and mexico, but it might as well be called trump versus mexico. the line of out racists, drug traffickers, and a few good people.
tenselationship remains whether it is over nafta or daca , you name it. who on this panel supports something, anything, that trump is doing when it comes to his rhetoric directed to mexico? let's start with tony. >> it is not so much that i support the positions he has taken, ira sport -- i support the positions he has taken. had pretty much taken for granted that we would have an open trading relationship with mexico. until the president started to really challenge the assumptions, we were not very good about defending the importance of of the relationship. we were not good about stepping
up and saying, this relationship means hundreds of thousands of jobs to texas, it means opportunity and prosperity in mexico, it means the opportunity to have a cooperative relationship with the single most important partner we have in terms of security, immigration, all the issues that impact the border. thissense, there was threat to this relationship that we had gotten so comfortable with, we were not willing to step up each day and defend it. defend inot that i any way the position the president has taken in respect to trade, daca, immigration reform. it is that i think it was beingant for us to start far more vocal about how important it was to the quality
of our lives each day, and the nature of the security relationship and the importance of the security we have with our sister states. iamb assuming that is not exactly what you had in mind, mr. miller. >> i would say that with a caveat. i have a dimmer approach than our president. i think people think our president, in his current position, he is a deal maker and businessman. he wants to make america great. part of making a deal is positioning yourself, let's take nafta. it is an old document, 20 years old. , perology has changed capita consumption has changed,
kind like a house you built 20 years ago. it is time for a new coat of paint. we need to modernize. when i served as an advisor to -- he will throw out a lot .f bombastic statements >> do you have a problem with bombastic statements? reporter told me i was trump before trump was trop. i know the man and know his background. that is part of positioning yourself and bargaining. if you threaten to scrap the
whole deal, all of a sudden they come scrambling in. they say, what was it you wanted? let's work this out. my thought as an advisor is nafta is the ground floor. we start their and make it and canada.exico we do not do any harm. if we cannot make it better, we stay with status quo. we do not tear it down. that's why the agricultural is advisingmittee him to go forward. there are things we need to tweak. >> what i am hearing in both of these answers is that donald trump has presented an opportunity, whether you like what he says or not, we are
talking about nafta now, now people want to talk about nafta. do you agree that there is an opportunity here? >> we actually had that conversation beforehand. in june of 2016 or whenever he started his campaign saying the mexicans were rapists, murderers, etc. called then approach transpacific partnership. didr the partnership, we say nasa 2.0. everything we were talking about except the fury and fire was done. on the third day of the presidency, the president got out of the partnership. trade is very important.
i represent all the way down to san antonia valley. trade is very important. there is over $1 million a minute. rapiststalks about the and murderers, look at what the mexicans have cents. 20t year they sent almost million mexican visitors that year. one out of four people coming to be united states are mexican. that means mexico since more than the u.k., japan, brazil, china, germany, france, everybody put together. billions of dollars are spent. put -- theyow, they come in and spend money in our hotels, restaurants. if someone is such a good businessman, imaginative to business people got together and started,before we get
your family, you have rapists and murderers. can we start on negotiations? you don't do that. if you see canada as a friend and mexico as an enemy, our world will turn upside down. [applause] i want to get everybody on this question. this is the whole not. governor, can you say anything nice about trump and mexico? is and that hazardous to your political health? to be strong in maintaining the position the federal government has. regarding nafta, sometimes i wonder if we forget that this , canada isagreement involved as well. we need to hear what they have to say.
wonder thing i sometimes we need to look across the border instead of looking across the ocean. if we continue with each other, are we really competing with other countries? if we are talking about lowering the trade deficit, what we need to do is work together and make sure we maintain the competitiveness between our countries. the idea of nafta is to lower the cost of products. many changes are made in nafta. if we start putting taxes on products, who is going to pay for those? the consumers are the ones who
will pay for the increase of products. >> getting to the question of trump, whether you like him or hate him, he has sparked a conversation about nafta that needs to be had? i agree we need to modernize the nafta. mexico has become a really good ally and friend. those things we need to take in .ccount as well
>> do you think trump has provided an opportunity to talk about some of these issues? >> i do. thank you for hosting us. i am so glad you are interested in this conversation. i talked with several people yesterday. it should've a moderator for this topic, we probably need a psychotherapist or social worker to help us talk through some of these issues. interestingly enough, when trump first talked about blowing up much, our community is like laredo. a quarter of our jobs are dependent on trade. a real fear in el paso about how this would impact our local economy. and what it would mean to our jobs. rated our unemployment skyrocket when manufacturing moved south of the border.
we had to reinvent ourselves and our economy. we would have to do it again if nafta blew up. it is a hard thing for a community to take over and over. there is an opportunity. it is up to all of us to ensure that we maximize this opportunity through conversations and advocate see and congressional votes and a push through the government to make nafta better. we also have to look at the other side of the border. i will give you an example. women whoa group of were advocating for a salary increase. they were fired. outside theout manufacturing plant in the dead driveter to protest and attention to the fact that they have very few labor rights. we should never benefit from the misery of others. there is an opportunity to
create better working conditions for labor on both sides, but especially in places like mexico. i think additionally, if we look at the other issue that trop has brought to the forefront, which is immigration, immigration and trade go hand-in-hand. when you have a rapidly industrialized area, human rights and workers rights not to make up with it, and people are struggling, they are going to want to leave their homeland to find something better. so it increases immigration. to leave going to want their neighborhood, family, language, country, to go someplace they are not wanted, and less they feel desperate. is an opportunity to create better conditions for people who want work and who want a better
life and want to stay in their country. two issuesump solves that he claims the american public wanted to dissolve. but in a positive of way. do i think that will happen? it will be up to us. [applause] >> we talked about this on the phone before you came on the panel. fencing righting now in long stretches of el paso county. do they work? wrong is there anything with adding more visible -- adding some more physical barriers? >> it is offensive and absurd and it is intended to be. [applause] .e already have a wall
i do believe there are probably areas where you need some kind of fencing. in el paso isve absurd. it is disgusting, it is rusting, it is intended to send a negative message to our neighbors. with all due respect to the commissioner, when you have a good neighbor, and say what you want about mexico relationship, there is blame on both sides of the issues we are grappling together. drugs, the supply that is coming, there has to be a discussion. but you do not treat your importantnd most strategic ally in such a disrespectful way. >> governor, let me ask you this. we have a huge section of the border down there in cameron is a lot of there
existing physical structures. do you take offense at the physical structures and a fence at adding to them? believe we need to build bridges, not walls. this is not going to be the first or last time to say this. the people in mexico city and washington need to understand what is going on in the border. we are neighbors, friends, allies. in many cases, we are family. we depend on each other and need to work on that. panel tog to use this people to comese to the border so they can see for themselves what goes on every day. we depend on each other and work
together. together helps us benefit the quality of life. you made the same invitation with the mailers. i think you guys have an unlikely friendship. what is up with your bromance? [laughter] >> if you look at the time where threatens, at couple of months ago before the first round of negotiations, someone marched into the oval office and said, time out. slow down. before we get ahead of ourselves in terms of condemning and lightning, let's look at the impact on the midwest and texas in terms of imports to mexico. once we started looking at nafta
more clearly in the context of what it meant to the united states, there is a tendency when we talk about immigration and think it is a zero-sum sum game or only benefiting mexico. this is about the benefits to the united states. if you look at it through that it throughou look at and america first prism, it is still in the best interest of the united states to have a constructive and good trading relationship with mexico. immigrationlook at and put your blinders on, immigrants have always been good for the united states. and say,ou look at it as the united states, what is in the best interest of our country? you would say trade and immigration reform. talk about this wall?
60's, i remember physical obstacles. it was the most efficient way to tab security along the border. this is the 1960 -- this is not the 1960's anymore. you are talking about security and looking at the transnational threats to the united states, terrorism, cartels am a criminal organizations, almost by definition when you say transnational it means transnational cooperation. the only way you are going to andront these menaces effectively is through cooperation with mexico. it is a bout -- it is about technology. many -- maybe some physical -- would would be were be appropriate responses in the 1960's or 1970's. there were parts where it still made sense.
but any wall that needs to be are readyprobably been built. in this day and age, if you are still looking at physical obstacles as opposed to technology and cooperation, you are looking backwards, not forwards. [applause] explain the relationship you have with the governor and what it might say, even in this heated era with trump tweeting obscenity is and whatever it is , give me some specifics. >> and the governor came up, actually before he ever took office, we set down and discussed things and said how can we help them and how can we
help you as farmers and ranchers help you as farmers and ranchers and we just hit it off. we practiced the good neighbor policy. we want to keep those dialogues (at that time, there was a lot of vitriol and rhetoric about shutting down and having a wall being driven between our mexican counterparts in the united states. we saw through that, we work through that, and what you mentioned, the program, the bow wheel program we have eradication program, we manage that here in texas going all the way from alabama to california, it cannot out a cotton crop. we've basically eradicated that from all this in the united states, but we start a hotspot down on the border. i was explaining out a cotton crop. we've this to the future governor at this time and he hadn't sworn in
that we needed their cooperation that we needed their cooperation because it keeps reinfected. i showed him pictures of cotton plants that word 25-foot tall that people use shade tree in their yard and i don't think he was aware of that. what he was sworn in through consulting with -- once he was sworn in through consulting with our people and their people and the cotton plants, and put in new guidelines and spray. we have our first growing season since then. i'm proud to report that the hotspot in laredo probably diminished about 90%. that's how the good neighbor policy works back and forth. i appreciate that. now, you need something for me, i'm johnny on the spot. whatever i can do to help my neighbor to the south i will. diminished about 90%. that's how that's is working together and building good relationships. >> let's turn to another issue that's always a major sticking point and that is corruption.
eleven former governors of mexico, including two of your predecessors are being investigated or have been indicted on serious corruption issues. do americans have the right to be skeptical about partnering and i want to get into our own corruption. do they not have the right about what happened when partnering with mexican law-enforcement and political leaders? that's the first question. secondly, would you be in favor of extraditing your two predecessors to the unuite -- united states? >> the problem with corruption, the criminals go back and forth. i was trying to believe that medication and working together with the institutions on both sides would be the only way to
stop criminals going back and forth. regarding the x governors and some other states, they're just applying the law. they commit a crime and they're going to go to jail. regarding the 2x governors, one of them will depend and they decide to leave in mexico or in the united states. according to the security and the police officers, i set it back then and i said again, i was president of the army committee when i was a senator , and i worked with the united states because what is good for somebody is good for texas. but what is bad over there, we call them criminals and drugs and weapons going back and forth, that's also bad for
the united states so right now, i'm on the record. the governor talked didn't talk about corruption on the side of the border. we looked into this and we found so many instances. we just, shouldn't this be more about the conversation and texas and bring in more lie detectors or whatever it is, have a more robust discussion, but it doesn't seem to be part of the discussion. we do work on those -- >> we do work on those issues. there are those investigations that are ongoing right now.
anytime there's money flown in from the bad guys, they will try to influence people. sometimes they go back as weapons as were talking about and that's another issue that goes in. that's an issue, and that's why were trying to hire the border patrol, if you remember some years ago we have the largest number of portage patrol. corruption is an issue that addresses, should be addressed. drug money destroys our systems and our democracies and our local government. in terms of the focus on those prosecutions.
>> donald trump is not only stirred up americans about mexico, but he stirred up mexicans about the united states and about him, and were not the only one who have a populist politician like donald trump. their candidate has shot to the top of the polls because of some of the stuff that's going on between the united states and mexico. is that what you want in mexico? a leftist populace? i guess the answer to that would be no. i think that type of people is what appealed to donald trump. >> but has it
occurred to you at all the all of this rhetoric could be provoking a reaction that could come back to bite us in the you know what. >> with the right people could but i think we have a good man and all trumpet i think he truly loves this country. i think he means it when he says he wants to make this country great
again. you might not believe in the pathway, but you would be hard-pressed to argue that point. i think he is genuinely in this for the country and not himself and he is not a politician. he's a businessman. he's a new yorker. is a little rough around the edges and again. you might not believe in plainspoken but that's his internal situation in mexico internal situation in mexico which is said to be leaning toward a guy like chavez? he is a leftist populace. what would
there are people every day asking themselves how is the quality of my local, state and federal government impacting the security in my life. how do i feel about public corruption? that is an important point to make. beenecond point and it has subtles a little more but because of this need, if you will, to be strongly subtle in aecause of this negotiating position, i think mexico has become more confident of their position as it relates to the united states and canada
because they had to carve out a negotiating position. secondly, i think they have recognized that there in a negotiating position, i think are other trading partners in the world that they had to start developing more robust relationships along with the pacific and latin america in places like chile and columbia just columbia -- columbia. he saw the president in china and i recognize that is never going to replace the united states because it is not company three. -- not complementary. ultimately will muddle through this and there will be a trade agreement, we will have a much
more, this is the last challenge this has been a very difficult time, we have drawn down. whether it's academic exchanges or other exchanges that can replenish that goodwill account, -- these sorts of exchanges, cultural, will help out. we will help out. we'll get a better trade agreement, they have a way of defending themselves. the big thing
-- >> let me ask you very briefly, do you fear, do you think a leftist populace in mexico would be bad for the united states or do you think it would just be no big deal. >> honestly, all sort of fallback, it's not for me to say. if you asked me specifically, do i think it will endanger trade? no, i think if we get to the other side of us and we have a trade agreement we will be fine. will endanger energy reform? i would tell you that was done constitutionally and at the state level and i think it has enough momentum and becomes part of the new nafta. if you asked me, will it prevent some challenges, probably, the some challenges, probably, the same challenges trump presents to mexico may present the united states, i think we will manage this. spoken like a diplomat. >> spo>
choose the right person. he will run for president but just remember we don't know yet who will be the candidates for the other particle parties and right liberal. you think this would be liberal. you think this would be bad for mexico? >> no, i believe mexicans are wise enough to choose the right person. he will run for president but just remember we don't know yet who will be the candidates for the other particle parties and right now there's a moment going on in mexico where they are getting together was citizens movement that will maybe be a surprise. the exit polls that you're talking about, they proved this >> i want to ask you about daca, the program that shielded people from deportation who were brought here as children and the polls show most americans want to keep daca or some version of it and mexican leaders have been very critical of the decision to wipe out daca, although now he wants congress to do it. as someone who lives in mexico and is a mexican politician, why is mexico not doing more to ensure a rich country. coming back to daca saying let me choose something, i know a little bit about people, young people who
will be real upset for all these persons. maybe in the future they will become a new silicon valley. if that happens. >> i want to ask a couple lightning -- >> i'm doing my job. know somek to daca, i people are going to be really upset. also, this parish -- there are great chances of opportunities. i went to school here in the united states. you never know. maybe in the future, the president will be someone from silicon valley. you never know. >> we are going to start wrapping up here. i want to ask a couple lightning round questions here. i think they will be putting out
microphones were people can line up. in terms of the question process process, please don't come up just to make a statement. we want to get as many questions as we can so please ask a question. i've got a quick lightning round. i want a yes or no, and then a brief explanation. would you be in favor of legalizing marijuana in both mexico, the united states and canada, recognizing that there are a lot of u.s. states that already have recreational marijuana. you can go to colorado and spark up all you want and then you get arrested, why are we spending money on
this? >> no. >> why not. ? >> just one of those old traditional, i think drugs are yes, and i love that you used spark up in your question. [laughter] >> ok. even without demand, there are weak institutions that need addressing. of securitymatter issue, it's a health issue. now.are not prepared right >> one more lightning round. gohink we are about ready to
for questions. a congressman -- what's the one thing that you think most needs to be fixed under nafta? if you wave a wand and fix it. >> we need to make sure we talk about how we move goods. go for questions. . >> on the side of>> on the sidee are suffering in the years. we lost all of our tomato, other production. interests overng each growing season.
that's one of the things we need to work out. neither side is winning. we to fix that so american, mexican from us can make a profit, and we can all live in harmony. >> some issues i spoke earlier about. >> living wage. >> yes. were we strengthen thewere we se class on our side and created a strong middle class on the mexican side, you end up adjusting a whole host of other issues, including drug use, corruption, undocumented immigration. it's real opportunity. double space anything 25 -- that whole space, when you think 25 years ago, but its intellectual property, movement commerce, people in that
space, it's different. >> we will work with all the changes. forill have cuts -- customers, for our consumers. we need to make sure that we benefit the quality of life, people live in this free country. >> were going to move to questions. go ahead, sir. >> mike. there you go. >> hello. locally for an
ngo and what we do is we solidarity movements with people on this side of the border here in texas and people border in mexico who work in sweat shops. who y question for anyone wants to answer is, if nafta is replaced, what role can human rights play in that and if we a going to go for it with we -trade agreement how do create a fair trade agreement. >> you want to take that? >> can you repeat it? -- human hue than rights be incorporated in the nafta agreement. you take that congressman? >> i will talk about labor environmental rights. to the ll go back trans-pacific partnership.
a lot from nafta some years ago, very different time. digital trade. we didn't have all this. even on the labor standards and if environmental standards, you look under the obama dministration, we actually worked out pretty good environmental and labor and if we would have had tpp that would have applied it, i'm hoping we can add the labor and environmental standards to nafta because we have moved totally in the last years from the original nafta. >> the only thing i would add to yes as to thetely movement, transporting of people. that is just unconscienceable in that -- unconscionable. putting a bright light on the of humans whether it is exploitation or children. let's take a question over here. >> first of all, thank you for
great conversation. voluntaryyou made the move from the u.s. to mexico. aspect of immigration that is rarely if ever talked about in the media. inspired you to make that decision to build your political opposed to xico as the u.s.? >> thank you. all my family are from mexico. happened to be born -- my mexicans.ad are but that's not the only case. my case. and nows of usands bi-national.re and what happened to me, i had the chance to go to school here. had a soccer scholarship at houston baptist national university.
maybe that helped me know many on in my country that i didn't like. decided to get into politics, to make a change. god i have been doing it because i have been senator and governor. that's the whole idea, to change things for the better of the people. >> thank you. ma'am. >> hi. i'm with the lbj school. my question for the panel with the conflict around the boarders borders, specifically talks bout the wall, talking about the environmental side, there's continued bi-national work done is happening what with the rio grande, water sources that both countries trans boundary issues i guess environmental border?ability along the i gues
>> the walter question and water question and the >> there is an agency that is by national. there was an agreement in 1944. he gives water to california and part of mexico and we give lunch texas. i believe it's a good deal. we're going to be having her with water. it's a worldwide problem. i believe that we need to work more than that.
there is water that is going to brought to us. there are some projects that are believe wele that i can work between these two countries. water for theough nation ration. i'm getting the hook overhears a were going to have to stop here. we can't take any more questions. please give a round of applause to his great panel. [applause] >> thank you so much. >> thank you. ♪ "washington journal," live every day with
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