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at theay morning, a look effort to stop lone wolf attacks . presidential efforts to limit government. and, as we prepare to celebrate thanksgiving, we will discuss the issue of childhood hunger. watch c-span's washington journal, live at 7:00 eastern on wednesday morning. join the discussion. c-span, joe biden and john kasich discuss bipartisanship. no content speaks at an event commemorating the 20th anniversary of his presidential election victory. at naftaok negotiations and a report on toy safety. >> former vice president joe
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biden sat down with john kasich to talk about bipartisanship and government. it was hosted by the biden center and the university of community andr of communication. this runs an hour and a half vice president biden: thank you. john, welcome to my campus. john, because of the faculty here, they have been kind enough to give me a platform to work with the center for political communication and be part of series, the national
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agenda series. we are working, the bidens, because the board have been generous in along me to bring some major, serious stuff people from washington who work with me and who know you and you know them and to work together to purece some genuinely objectives. one is to reduce serious academic material that sheds light on the issues of the day. bring to the campus -- expose them to some of the best minds and leaders in the country in all fields, but mainly in this field -- this case, politics. dr. hoffman, thank you for letting us join your operation and thank you for being willing to moderate. and nancy, who i've known since she was a child -- she reminded
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me she started interviewing me when my daughter was four years old. she said she was peeking out from behind the desk at the time. nancy has done a great job here. i just wanted you to know, you know, it is not that hard for john and i to get along. we never had trouble. we come from the same background. we have slightly different perspectives on the role of government, the john's father mailman.kman -- a john came from a working-class neighborhood, like i did in scranton. we grew up with people and believing in people who were ordinary people like us. are parents told -- our parents told us there wasn't a damn thing we could do -- couldn't
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do. we both believe strongly in the capacity of the american people. joan and i have worked together on issues together on the same side and we have occasionally disagreed. dwill turn it over to you octor. mattershe things that is that personal relationships matter. you hear me talk about that. getting to know someone. getting to know what they think. getting to know their background. getting to know their family. getting to know how they act in what they care about really cares about, even when you fundamentally disagree. and we don't fundamentally do.gree, but even when you because this system is built in a way where you have to be able to reach compromise. you have to be able to get to go
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to make this place work. i want to tell you, john, when i asked who they wanted, who they wanted me to reach out to, it you. it's not like it was a big contest or a lot of people there going to bring to campus. the first person they wanted was you. thanks again for being here. doc, it is all yours. nancy: thank you so much. is -- reallyre serves an important purpose, which is to celebrate civil dialogue. discord,we see greater more racism, violence than we have seen in many years. this program serves as a great resource and providing discussions on how do we get across these divides and how do we communicate more effectively.
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lower then here is to seat and provide good models for communication. i will skip my introductory remarks. today, we are featuring to leading voices in bridging partisan divides. recent studies show that the republicans and democrats, since they have been measuring this, have never been further away from each other in their ideological approach than in 2017. it is time to talk partisan divides. come aftersich leaving congress in 2000, running for president, he worked as managing director at lehman brothers. he was previously a commentator on fox news and a fellow at his alma mater. as a productive and myself, we reserve the right to say the ohio university.
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so let's give a round of applause to governor kasich. [applause] know dollar zone vice president joe biden was one of the first young people elected to the united states senate. he served delaware for 36 years. please join me in welcoming joe baca to campus. [applause] [laughter] lindsay: can i interrupt? [laughter] here we go. there is what i want you to address. you have both written recently -- about the state of our nation's soul and the need for a shared moral compass. our country has been at these crossroads before.
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what does that soul or shared moral compass look like in 2017? how do we get there? since the vice president has homeschooling methods from i will toss this to you first. vice pres. biden: this will sound strange, but leadership matters. when you signed charlottesville, seeing these people coming out from under rocks, out of fields, carrying torches and nazi flags, the same rhetoric that occurred in kristallnacht in germany in the 1930's, to see this again was beyond comprehension. the failure for america's voice, the president of the united states, to condemn it and not talk about it in relative terms, embolden's people to think that they can do this kind of thing. you see it in every walk of life. you see it in every circumstance
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where bad things happen. that's number one. number two, it does not represent the america. it is not america's soul. we know that is not america. the 300 million americans who take overwhelming objection from both political parties to what they saw their. one of the things -- saw there. one of the things we have to remember is that this israel crisis in america and the world. a change is taking place economically. we are in the midst of a digital revolution. ordinary people see their future theeing in horizon -- horizon, in the rearview mirror. they wonder what jobs they will have. john and i were talking at lunch. the highest rate of suicide, the highest rate of divorce, the highest-rated opiate abuse, the only country where life expectancy is diminishing, where
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the white male is between 30 and 40 years old. demagogues do two things. juan, they appeal to fears and they appeal to a fear in order to get the grand azimuth of aggrandizement of power. last night, i have the great privilege in philadelphia to award a great friend, john mccain. have holleredd i at each other and gone at each other. is one of thee things we talked about is you all have to know the constitution better. , you know, wemean say we hold these truths are self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed by our creator.
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we set up a political system that guaranteed you can assert that and guarantee it. it's called the madisonian notion of counter majoritarian instincts built into our constitution. that are certain things our constitution does not pertain. we are not a democracy. we are a republican. there are certain things that are so consequential the basic human rights that it doesn't matter that is 99% of people want to get to -- want to do away with it. it's built into the constitution. the reason why we have been the light for the world not just because what we said, but we build the institutions that guarantee it? the guarantees in the constitution are ones that people are walking away from now. what you see now are these demagogues talking about how it's just about whatever the majority thinks.
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they are riling up people, finding the other. every time there's a problem, why doesn't a guy in coal country have a job in ohio? well, an immigrant. what does an immigrant have to do with coal country in southeastern ohio? it has nothing to do with it. why don't people have jobs in delaware? your catering to blacks. you are giving special preference. and it goes on and on. pick.eed a target to we need to start to reinvigorate and remind people what is the unique element of this country. we are uniquely of product of institutions. you cannot define an america based on ethnicity, race, religion, culture, background. that i can in saying hear to the notion that there are certain inalienable rights that cannot be overruled by anyone -- the government, the
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majority -- it cannot be there. what have you seen? the result is surely in my view. you have seen a direct attack for your half on the legitimate courts from some quarters in our government now. the second then you have seen as a direct attack on the free press. what are the two things that protect -- to protect and prevent the abuse of power? the course and the press. so you guys have to get engaged -- the courts and the press. so you guys have to get engaged. we build institutional structures to guarantee that all men and women are treated equally. it's the structures. lindsay: thank you. gov. kasich: i never thought i would see the advantages of getting older. don't get me wrong.
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last night, after dinner, one of my daughters and i and my wife, we were listening to linkin park, so don't think i'm an old fogey. [laughter] i'm changing as i'm aging. joe, i think part of it is, as a governor, i see people that hurt. i see people that need help. i see the whole john's issue. there is certain of a way to weight thatn you -- falls of you when you have that level of responsibility. joe talks about the constitution. it's really important. but i think there are two things that we are somehow forgetting. greatare two commandments.
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i know enough society today, the moment i mention the word god, we'll have thought levels about oh, my goodness, what is he going to do now? i don't care who you are sleeping with. it means nothing to me. that is not what god is all about. god is about love, connectedness , togetherness, forgiveness, grace, patience. two great commanders and we have -- look, if your humanist, i'm cool with that. you don't have to believe what i believe. the first amendment is to love god. that is about humility. i know i don't have as much of it as i need, but what is humility? well, i need to listen to somebody. great theologians say i'm not as worthy as you are. i sure -- i fall short of you. it's really important. the second one and that we have increasingly been forgetting is
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love your neighbor as you want your neighbor to love you. when i think about the gnashing of teeth, the elements of hatred, viciousness, of division, what happened to that commandment? have we forgotten it? have we written it off? i think that, if you love your neighbor as you want your neighbor to love you, and deep -- and if you practice humility, you have an obligation to live your life differently. it is popular today to talk about the failure of government. anything likeeen we see in washington, the dysfunction and the willingness to just care about my own election. maybe that's another higher moral purpose. because we are all heading out of this world at some point. in my goal is to have at least 80% of what they say about me be true when i'm dead.
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we see the failures in government, the inability to put the good of our society above the good of my reelection. easy for me to say. i think joe and i practice that are longtime. theow when you push president to some difficult positions, it wasn't easy. i think we both did pretty good on that. but then we look at the rest of our culture. i look at equifax. i look at wells fargo. by the way, they are not doing state business in my state. i've banned them. [applause] i look at these companies and i say is it about profit without value? because some of the great theologians have said free enterprise was not -- not underlain by a set of values is bankrupt. one of the great catholic theologians said that. i happen to agree with that.
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hollywood, not saying another word, ok? foley from the standpoint of, if you think that's the only place where these things exist, what are people thinking? if we look at sports where they will now appeal ezekiel elliott. they wanted to play football on sunday. are you kidding me? the guy should play? we look at the matters of faith. evangelicalsese deciding the politics should be interspersed with religion. there's no place, unless you are talking morality, like martin luther king did. ourwhen i look across culture, i begin to wonder -- have we lost -- have we all lost our way? i was out in utah at a town
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hall. there was a young woman standing behind me. as said no it has ever been made like you before. no one will ever be made like you again. do you understand the purpose you have? and she began to cry. my wife said you probably scared her, john. [laughter] i don't mean this just politically. you all matter very much. country doesour not rest in presidents, governors, senators. the power of our country rests in you and us as people, and how we behave in class, how we behave out of class, how the business executives behave, how the theologians behave, how the sports figures behave -- was there anything more uplifting than to see jt water raise all of those that's all that money for the flood victims in houston? we look at houston and florida puerto rico and say there are heroes emerging.
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we don't have to be saints, but we need better heroes every day to somebody else. us.he power is in so don't be yelling and screaming or blaming them. you're doing the same thing. the patient. embrace people. tell them you care about them. give them a hug. you will feel 10 times better. that is the strength of our country. it's you. joe is right about that. it's you. not somebody else. lindsay: thank you. [applause] let's stick with the governor for a moment and travel back in time to 2016 and the campaign for president. gov. kasich: do we really have to? [laughter] come on. that's not fair. [laughter] lindsay: only one question. gov. kasich: that's fine. lindsay: since i studied the intersection between technology
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and politics, there's a facebook or a twitter or a new medium -- i was fascinated by the presidential debates in the primary. emoji ascould click on to what you are feeling. people were angry. and they got more angry as the debate went on. i think these debates are historically one of the best models for civil dialogue. gov. kasich: which debates were you watching? [laughter] i wish i had been invited to those. let me tell you something about the debates. first of all, the debates were the craziest thing you said, figure out what you can say to get on the morning news. i'm going to rebut the iran deal. a 90 659 people out of the country. i am going to kick 15 million people out of the country. that is what got the press.
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do you think anybody was for you? way.dn't work that the debates didn't work because it was all about what's the biggest thing you can do. yet wasn't about a discussion like we are going to have here today. you know why? because most people would watch. you might get 7 million are 8 million. but you got 25 million. and when it comes to the networks, money matters. somebody made a billion matters -- a billion dollars doing all the stuff. and now they are going crazy because of the result. [laughter] thing.the first the second thing i want to tell you is this is really interesting. no good deed goes unpunished. so i didn't go to the convention in ohio. people are still furious with me about it. . donald trumpse of are people in my party still angry at me about it. i just got together with john hickenlooper to put together a bipartisan proposal on health care. you know what everybody says?
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something in it for him. -- wet think that the day have become so cynical that comment joe and i are sitting on this stage and we get along, somebody figures out there some ulterior motive behind it all. do you know that people actually do nice things and good things because it's the right thing to do? and it's so hard for people to understand it. [applause] [laughter] lindsay: thank you so much. i'm wondering if either of you play the "what would i do" game if you are president in this period right now today. [laughter] let me go backn: for a second. [laughter] and i will answer that question directly. john and i have a bad habit of answering the questions we are asked. sometimes it gets us in trouble.
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the press there's some response ability, you guys, school of medications. i don't think you are teaching -- school of communications. i don't think you are teaching the right things over time. i'm not being facetious. think about it now. if in fact there was an actual debate that didn't include donald trump groping a woman's crotch -- i'm not a facetious -- look, there was a steady done -- a study done. of all the words spoken in the debates and the campaign, only 4% was covered that involve issues. you hear me now? 4%. 4%. the press is going through an overwhelming -- really the brightest people i have known in my career i count among the
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press people. academically, intellectually. gov. kasich: yup. vice pres. biden: if a newspaper is going to survive, they don't know how they are going to do it. it has changed incredibly. very little editorial filter about anything that goes out. thirdly, you find, if in fact you are going to respond to something that is substantively important, but you can elevate it by taking an extreme position, you know it will be carried the next day on the news. and that's why-- we are going to get to it somewhere along the line. that's why the new technology is both incredibly liberating and also dangerous. because there is no editorial filter on anything at all out there now.
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so with regard to the question of whether or not do i sit and do i think to myself what i would do, one of the great advantages -- and there is no power in the vice presidency. it is all reflective. students have heard me say before. as benjamin franklin said, we should refer to the vice president as his superfluous excellency. [laughter] there is no power. you break entire come, unless you have a relationship with the president that israel, and i was act -- that is real, and i was lucky to have that. i got to be the last guy in the room in every major decision. he made that commitment to me and he kept it. because i could make my case as to what i felt we should do. you're able to judge whether or not the judge it -- the advice you gave and the position you took, whether it turned out to be correct or not correct.
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so you have a sense, a scorecard. he knows the things he did that succeeded and the things that didn't succeed. he didn't have to guess about it. he has done it. found, of the things i it doesn't mean the recommendation you had that was different wouldn't work. it increases your confidence in your judgment for guys like john and i have been around for a long time. what i was able to do for eight years is not second guess, but absolutely be directly clear to the president when i thought he was right, when i thought he was wrong, what i thought he should do. the fact that i am no longer vice president doesn't mean that i no longer have those thoughts. i do. i'm not trying to be funny. the point is that there has been a tradition and it has been sorely tested by this president,
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a tradition that the outgoing president and vice president give a grace period to an administration to get their feet on the ground. one of the things that i use as an excuse -- i look on it in reverse now -- is that they didn't expect to win. they weren't prepared at all to govern. they didn't even have what every major campaign has. they didn't have a committee working on exactly what they do in transition. there was no transition group. so i said, let's give them a chance to put people in place and see what they do. is what has really happened that we have a president who does not understand governance. for policies for a minute. he doesn't -- forget his policies for a minute. he does not understand how government functions. one person talked about how the
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reason we have certain basic political norms is they are the things which are the ballast which keeps differing opinions and conflicts floating so that we can do with them. and he came along and said he is going to break down all the norms. it's like breaking down the norms on a campus, where you walk by and 70 says hello to you and you don't say hello. well, guess what. you break down the norm, it becomes not a friendly place to work off of what john was talking about. there are certain basic norms, and he doesn't understand the. other ones he understands, he tries to break down. penchant for this self aggrandizement and this penchant for tweeting, this penchant to focus so specifically and internally on what he does or doesn't do, even
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if he was right about everything, is sending a message to all of you and sending a message to your younger siblings that it is totally inappropriate -- siblings. that is just totally inappropriate. timelked about it last when we were playing golf. you guys won. [laughter] nature of the discourse when the gingrich revolution started to occur. on the floor of the united states senate, a senator would refer to the sitting president as bubba. forget democrat/republican. when someone would yell at the state of the union "liar," these are basic norms. there's a reason why we have certain basic social norms. they are the arbiter of how we work together.
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the thing that i find the most debilitating about what is going on now is the destruction of these norms and it is generating chaos. it is generating chaos internally. i don't want to see the chief of staff quit. i don't want to see the secretary of defense and the secretary of state quit. in our people that are administration who are still there, they call and say please stay. some competence and normalcy. but it's not even about the issues. it's about the norms. i will conclude by saying you -- you don't say to a foreign later, even some -- a foreign leader, even someone as difficult and dangerous as the president of north korea -- you don't refer to him as a little guy.
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i was recently with a head of state. john, i have had 14 heads of state contact me who want to get me to explain what is going on. i am not being facetious. i'm deadly earnest. i'm very careful. i'm not in power. i never speak ill of an un-american -- an american president abroad. in europe, i went to speak at a conference. he wanted to see me. i thought it was a courtesy call. i thought it would last 10 minutes. it lasted two and a half hours. at one point, this prime minister said -- and did you see what he did? sidere sitting on the same of a conference table as close as you and i are. he stood up and he said he took the president of montenegro and pushed him aside and stuck his chest out and his chin. all i could think of was of duce -- was el duce.
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that's not a joke. that is what people are thinking. violating the norms of personal conduct generates mooring zaidi and fear -- more anxiety and fear than any policy prescription that this president has enunciated. sending his secretary of state to talk with north korea, saying errand. a fool's it is bizarre. it is bizarre conduct. let me ask you professors out there, if i said to you two months after this election, are you fundamentally worried in a in a in may -- fundamental way things getting out of control? my guess is 90% of you would have said, no, this is a bad
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period. but let me ask you today. i did a major speech. award fromurzynski the council of international studies in washington. pubahpolitical policy was there. there is a jet -- i ask you today if there is a genuine concern about nuclear war? been 1%ry, it would've and it would only be if isis. hold of a nuclear weapon or an accident occurred -- if isis got a hold of a nuclear weapon or an accident occurred. the worldwhat hold order and our system. that is what is being attacked now. that is what is most dangerous.
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lindsay: can it be reversed? can we get back on track and what are some suggestions for doing that? gov. kasich: first of all, let me say a couple of things. what is pretty amazing is that, when you look at polls, the country is divided about the president. not 50/50, but there is still strong support for the president in some quarters. yesterdayan article that flight in arizona may be in trouble because he has criticized the president. he has become about baseball is. about basease -- politics. . the minute that the republican proposal went down on the health care issue, democrats went out the window. oft we are seeing, in light trump getting elected -- i wrote
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a book about it. lindsay: it's not in the lobby, by the way. you've seen me on television talk about temperament and i have tried to stick to these issues, on which i have profound differences in many cases with the administration. but what was really behind it in many respects was that people felt -- you said earlier, joe -- they felt that the current political system doesn't work for them. they are unemployed. they have nowhere to go. they thought, you know what, all these politicians, forget it and i'm going to try something different. i'm going to try something new. that is part of the reason we have this result. degree, the politics today is a manifestation of the politics of growing for a long time. i remember the bork hearings.
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i remember the committee, how ruckus they were. we went through an impeachment and then through the republican revolution and we saw a judge etihhyht -- judge m dge me wright be totally driven out. you are right about the guy that yelled that the president, "you live." lie."xt day, -- "you letterout a fundraising the next day to make money on it. if you don't stand behind obamacare, bernie and the boys will come and get you. and if you are republican and you try to cross the base of the republican party, the coming get you in the primary.
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the whole system is polarizing and we have a manifestation. we are more divided. how do you fit it? of the budget committee, one of the most partisan committees. republicans would say let's come in for a couple of hours and then we will shut them down. wait a minute here. you can't do that. are you kidding? i want to know what amendments we are going to exist. it doesn't exist anymore the congress. notice telling anybody what the behavior are to be. the grown-ups somehow disappeared. when that happens, there are no rules. there are a fundamental rules that have been violated, they cannot be violated, and that's about to respect and humility and all these other things. when i look at the political
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system, do i think it can be fixed? absolutely. what would i do if i were president? governor. i have a big job. growth,bout economic and we are growing, up 479,000 jobs since i came in. we were down 350,000. in "theread the article new york times." we have people working in these jobs where they work for uber one minute and then amazon. they have no job. they are contract employees. what is their identity? what we have is an inability for people to feel their purpose. so in my state, more jobs. but that's not enough. because if people at the bottom don't feel the opportunity and they don't deal the wind of change blowing there would positively, it won't work. so we created the first income
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tax credit in ohio's history. we do set asides for minorities. i've expanded medicaid so the mentally ill, the drug addicted, and the chronically ill can get help. [applause] look,l, along with joe -- i saw joe in columbus. he said, would you go to delaware? i will go anywhere you wanted to go. you know why? people go crazy when they see this at home. there's not a lot of a difference between these two human beings who grew up in blue-collar families. difference ina this issue on that issue, but you know what the bottom line is? we want to look at a problem and say what is the most practical way to fix it? my idea is government as a last resort, not a first result. joe says government to be more involved. so what? is that enough to cause us to have a war? because most of the wars going
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on today are not caused by philosophy. they are caused by politics. they are not about philosophy. they are about the politics of how i can get ahead. in the same is true for everybody in this room. and inherit the earth and lose your soul. that's what we have to be careful about. gov. kasich: cannot add something -- vice pres. biden: can i add something? gov. kasich: sure, why not. we need to add two more hours to this thing. [laughter] [applause] vice pres. biden: the point john is making -- when i said in these very seeds, from then to when i graduated from law school, the mantra was drop out, disengage. we were more divided than then we are on substance.
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the vietnam war was ripping us apart. family and friends who didn't talk to one another on this campus. we were ribbing each other apart -- ripping each other apart. was promoting women's issues, i had to begin a. it's not a joke -- i had to be gay. it's not a joke. biden and others are just going after corporate america. the civil rights cases were still not settled by any stretch of the imagination. but when i walked across that stage at your qs university the day the -- at syracuse university the day the only political hero i had, robert kennedy, was shot, i was determined i could change things. today, what you face is a totally different problem. it's not the substance. on every major issue, from gay
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marriage soon for structure to immigration, a majority of the american people agree. from 53% to 68%, there is not one major issue out there, substantive issue, that the public disagrees on. i like my generation when there was no agreement. but the political system is broken. the political system is broken. john,- i got there before but not a lot before. when i got there, there were 10 segregationists in my party come party, incus -- in my the caucus, from mississippi, from arkansas, storm thurmond, etc. -- strom thurmond, etc. we argued like hell, but we resolved it. today, the political system is broken. john and i talked about this at
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lunch. we would have stayed there another two hours probably. the work he is doing on gerrymandering in his state and the money and politics. what is happening today is -- [applause] john speak to the gerrymandering. look, here you go. what has happened now? nobody worries about getting defeated by the other guy. there's only 44 of the 435 districts in the house, only 45 are actually toss up based on registration. so what are you worried about? in the democratic side, you worry about coming at you out the left and losing the primary. and you worry about on the republican side coming at you at the right. so both political parties are moving more to the extremes. the center is shrinking. that isn't to say that the center per say is good. but how can you run this country
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without consensus? it's not possible. it's not possible for this country to function unless you reach a consensus. gov. kasich: it's the middle out. here's the problem. we've got extremes. you sell problems from the middle out. when people have a competitive rate, they have to listen to both sides. if you are in a safe district and you are a democrat, they are going to come get you if you try to work with those evil republicans. and if you are a republican and you try to say something about barack obama that might be positive, forget it. oh, my goodness. but it's both. how does it get fixed? that's what we are trying to do in ohio. i get criticized from republicans in ohio. does it bother me? not in the least. i'm trying to create a model
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that everyone ought to have a chance to rise. and you don't do it on partisanship or how you get money. everyone gets a chance to live there during. and if i can do that and joe can do that -- to live their dream. and if i can do that and joe can do that, stop the attacks -- maybe we will make gains. nothing has been torn down overnight and nothing will be rebuilt overnight. it will have to be rebuilt one block at a time. you are talking about the debate over the war. there is something worth debating. civil rights, that is something worth debating. but i don't know what the debate is about this health care law. it's all political. thee get away from political wars, we can deal with the issues, then we have something to fight about. vice pres. biden: our poor moderators going nuts. one more thing. lindsay: i'm enjoying this. vice pres. biden: last night, i
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introduced john mccain, who has been my friend for 44 years. alpresented him with the med of the people will have one bend tot metal, six have gone on win the nobel prize. the firstnded that time john and i realize how things were beginning to change, john, was in 1997. john mann. easter -- there was a big debate going on, we would sit next reach other on the floor. i would disagree, but i would sit next to him or he would sit next to me. what youtally, we have call party caucuses, we had lunch and you discuss policy. that i got this, he got it in the republican caucus. the leadership of my caucus actually asked me -- and i was so senior that no one could screw around with me.
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not a joke. to be very bright about it. unt they -- be very brn about it. and they said why are you sitting next to mccain during the debate? that looks bad for us. and mccain was told to stop sitting next to buy the debate. gov. kasich: when i go home, they will ask me why am i sitting next to you. [laughter] vice pres. biden: i sat in the white house, those two chairs fireplace, the in theding republicans -- i'm notes today saying the president was always right, but the president was asking if they could work on such and such a thing. and they looked at him and said
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do you realize how difficult it is for me to even sit here with you. swear to god, my word as a biden. responses i am taking a real political risk even being here with you. door,are walking out the i am always the last guy out the door. i start out the door first after this one particular congressman. i get this graph, he pulls me back. , theys where are you going president says. i have to go talk to that guy. [laughter] he says, don't, joe. i'm not going to let anybody talk to the president of the united states in front of me -- like that in front of me. that's just bad. that is not good manners. but it started.
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as you said, john, it goes back. these things are not intermittently built. character is in things you do, no thing. so is the political system. you take out these things that are the basic normal procedures. you weaken the whole foundation. lindsay: what advice can you offer young people in my classroom who were woken up in a lot of ways by the politics of the past year and a half, two years? what can you offer them to encourage them to help rebuild what you are describing? gov. kasich: i think you ought to go get an education. figure out what you want to do with your life. is probablyughters inclined to politics. she wouldn't admit it. i say to her, would you want to run for office? she said, not until i made my money, daddy. joe and i were lucky. i was elected to the legislature when i was 26.
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no relatives in ohio, no support, just a couple of buddies. at 29. i went to congress at the age of 30. joe was there a long time and becomes the vice president. we made the nba. you ask all these kids what you want to be and they say i want to be in the nba or a soccer player. but most don't. make it. the most important thing -- but most of make it. but the most important thing for you people to do is to make your career and be about the things you believe in the things we have talked about here already. if you want to did into politics and be involved in a movement, that's good. but as a young person, i wouldn't make it the center of my life. i would get on with my career and make something. you can dip in file you are making your career. there's nothing more important
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for women to do now than to stand together. it goes without saying a second wife. race,are movements around movements around the environment, fine. by get yourself established. get yourself something where you are strong yourself and then dipi in. whenever i hear a young person is going to washington, this is really not politic, i say, ok, when you go, when are you leaving? i'll tell you why. do you knowffers devoted a lifetime and a career to a politician and the politician walked out the door the staffer was left with not much? that.be seduced by but make a difference. i guess i'm being contradictory in a way. but i want you to get your degrees. i want you to become something. i want you to stand on your own
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two legs. i don't want you to have to depend on somebody else. and involve yourself, but don't disrupt that specific mission you feel you were created to perform. lindsay: mr. vice president? vice pres. biden: i don't disagree in any fundamental way. it starts with the same premise. my dad used to have an expression. he said it's a lucky person who gets up in the morning, puts both feet on the floor, knows what they are about to do and thinks it still matters. think of your parents' generation, how many people they know are very successful, and, at age 50-55, no longer thinks what that does really matters. it's a hard thing. it doesn't come from us people they are in high school are in college. it comes after exposure to other opportunities. is, i think you
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can serve the country without being involved in public life, without being engaged in the public process. i did the commencement at yale. i was making the case that, you there is a professor i had here who had a gigantic impact on me. he was in the poetical science department, one of the brightest. he talked political philosophy. he was one of the guys who had more impact on me and my career. i remember what he would say. he would quote plato. plato said the penalty that good people pay for not being involved in politics is being governed by people worse than themselves. that is deadly earnest and true. think about this.
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if you go out and you do very well -- and i hope you do, financially or professionally -- one of the things that is happening today is that a lot of ,he elite college graduates democrat and republican, coming from middle-class backgrounds as well as wealthy backgrounds, our self isolating. the people mirror who have the same taste and education you have. thatend to be with people are people that share the same values and care about the same kind of entertainment, art, recreation, etc. for example, there was a steady diet -- study. all the people who graduated harvard, they lived in 42 zip codes. i can tell you promised every senior staff person lives in washington.
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they live in their own gated communities, figuratively speaking. there was a test done by a book that was recently rewritten. crazy.e my two sons i had to take the test. they are grown men when bell was bo waslive -- when still alive. have you ever been on a factory floor? do you have whole milk in your refrigerator? not a joke. think about it. if you have a chance to buy starbucks or a dunkin' donuts coffee, would you go? who are your friends -- where do you go? who are your friends? the middle class is becoming increasingly isolated. people coming from the middle class or self isolated. there is a new elite in america and the new elite is not based on your pedigree or where you are born. it is based on cognitive
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capability. but there's not much engagement anymore. there's not much engagement. guy whople, i have a was with me here at the university of delaware. was president of the janitors union in rhode island. he comes from a modest background like i did. he and his brother are great successes. his brother was a national security adviser. his brothers one of the leading in terms of public policy. he's here now. but i asked the president, what do you want? i want you to let me set up a middle-class task force. so i called 19 cabinet meetings. he gave me authority to do it. the first cabinet meeting, i said i want each of you members of the avnet, within the next month, hire someone who answers
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directly to you and has no other obligation other than what they can do administratively to ease the burden on the middle class. one cabinet member said i don't think that's a good idea. i said and do exactly what the hell i tell you go talk to the president. i wanted to make sure he understood. the first guy that came to me was geithner. smite your -- smart guy, decent guy. i said i have this great idea. he brought into senior people in the treasury department. we know how to apply set 528's, those programs your parents have to save for college that is tax-free. i had a guy named jerry bernstein, a labor economist. all people of modest means.
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that's a great idea. i said i don't know who has a 528. let all of you have 528's. from ande where i come me, when i was making $42,000 a year and had a kid at yell, a twoat penn, and a kid a lane, i didn't make enough money to save for a 528. what percentage of people qualify have a 528? it arranged for a percent to 40%. it was right up -- it ranged from 20% to 40%. thand i bet you know more
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10% have them because they don't have any money to save. i said, if i'm wrong, i will take each of you to lunch at every restaurant you pick once a month, all of you together. give somebody people have them. 7%. the point is we are not much in the neighborhoods. we are not engaged. yes what? you cannot hide from the ozone layer of being eliminated. no place to hide. you cannot hide from the drinking water being polluted. you cannot hide from your brother being profile because he is black and struck to the street. stopped in the street.
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you cannot deny your sister who is being denied to marry her feet -- female partner. you cannot hide. no place to hide. investment are an banker, professor, teacher, salesperson, or involved in public policy, you have an obligation to be involved in public policy. you have no place to hide. no matter how much money you make. no matter what happens. discouraging from making money. i raced a couple republican kids. all my kids did the wrong thing. one kid goes to war and a and then becomes attorney general lund gives up $800,000 in income. the other leaves m nba and goes to the treasury department and then ends up heading up the world food program usa in my
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daughter goes to tulane and graduates from penn with honors and runs the largest nonprofit in the state. making money at least so when they put me in a home at least i have a room with a view, you know? folks, i have said enough but you've got to get involved. don't tell me there is no opportunity. it is wide open. it is wide open. you can drive a mack truck through the opportunities. i'm serious. sure instinct school. horenstein school put on his study. how much of the graduating class at any interest being involved with the public life. it started at 40%, now it is down to 14 percent. gooday: i think that is a
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transition to our class, which is here. gov. kasich: one thing, i went to talk to about politics and education. you all know we are entering the the fastest-changing economy in the history of the world. the number one occupation in .merica is driving one some driving vehicles, autonomous vehicles,, approximately 10-11 years down the road, you tell me what is going to happen to people who occupations. k-12 education in many cases is not repairing and people for college. when you graduate from college, you are not prepared for work. anyone who from here graduates for amazon or google, you know
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it the first thing that will do is? they will train you. we have to realize experience gives the power which gives the income which gives the help. we need a complete reengineering of our k-12 system that is not based on 100 years ago or longer. where people are in touch with the real business world. where the skills they need will be imparted based on the things they want to do and where the jobs are. the same is true for higher education. the two-year community colleges have done a great job at being able to respond. so much.ar schools not i do not know about delaware but i would say by enlarge we're not preparing people for the jobs of the future. don't we change it -- change it? it is too hard. i've a principle or superintendent you don't my goal is tomorrow? i want to be a superintendent. i'm the president the university. you know what i want to be
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tomorrow? the present of a university. do you think politics is the only place where people do not have courage? it is not true. what i am suggesting to you is this issue of workforce training and connecting people with the skills that are part of the future to meet, there are a lot of important issues. it is a long list. when people get left behind and they are in young stop-ohio and they don't have the skill her job, -- and they are in youngstown: ohio, what do you think happens to them? online education put up by businesses, there is a multitude of things that can be done and it needs to be done. i think google has just -- i know the goal has just offered $1 million to train people in i.t. but this workforce issue is something that can take somebody who has nothing and give them
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the power and the opportunity to become powerful in the road right and do much good in the world. i needed to say that. you.ay: thank [applause] start a i would like to new agenda where the speakers get to meet with the students and ask questions. i thought i would ask if students could stay up -- stand up and say hello and thank you for what you are doing. applause] lindsay: what i would like to do now is start the day with these national agenda students. giving get an inside peek at what our speakers go through. you can kind of see what we do in the classroom except now we are in a room with like 650
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people. so no pressure. let's start with a question from sarah. beingnk you both for here. so, this is a question for both of you. i was in a congress simulation class. party, district. at first we wanted everything to be bipartisan. we are to work on passing as much as possible. slowly that competitive nature within us all came out and suddenly nothing got done, we cannot agree on anything. it was frustrating and disappointing. my question for you, how can my generation keep the mindset of getting along and do you think sometimes when he comes in the form of letting things go that you wanted and finding something in between. v.p. biden: one of the things that my staff used to always get was likeut me doing
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when i went out there and i said, why don't you introduce. i wrote the thing. why don't you introduce this, do this, do that. my staff said, you are never going to get any credit for that so you should not do that. your idea. say it is guess what? the best way to become well-known and well-respected is to yield to other people and give them the opportunity to present the ideas. it is called human nature. human nature. and there is so much self-serving today and across the board including in the new generation. your generation. the mostyou represent open, tolerant, and giving generation in american history. but it is about being able to decide what is better for the the best forat is me. it is interesting. it is, again, think about it.
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figure out who the one among you is who is really the most generous and brightest and does the most. it is not because they tell you. you figure it out. you do not have to wonder. it is the same when sports teams, he and everything we do. it is human nature. the point.john made there has been a dumbing down of the culture. that it is about me. i want to be the star. the best way to become a star is to make other people the star. you notice making a football analogy in the season. you notice the halfbacks and running backs and quarterbacks are the most revered. they walk back and have the lineman. not a joke. guess what? the lineman but -- busts their passes the next time -- the linemen busts their asses the
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next time. gov. kasich: did you do better at the end? reince we started to get along -- >> we started to get along at the end. gov. kasich: one thing i will thingou it is -- the one -- they walked out -- here's the one thing i will tell you -- we all absorb that which we agree with. what we need to do is stop just observing that which we are grew at the end of sort something we do not grant because we might find out that some of what is being said would be deeply appreciated. i will tell you a funny thing that happened a couple days ago. i was talking to this lady, she is a preacher. an fact, i had my daughter's principal with me because i thought it would get points with them. we were laughing this morning because we found out -- this is
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colinning thing -- kaepernick is a devoted and serious christian. nobody knew that. isn't that interesting? people will hear that and be like, that can't be true. what i'm saying is, absorb something you cannot agree with. it is hard to do. but i think it is worth doing. lindsay: thank you. let's get a question from jordan. we are in the middle of free speech week. gov. kasich: free speech on a campus. yes! lindsay: president biden -- vice president biden, we have seen recently protests of conservative speakers. shut protests sometimes down the speakers altogether and sometimes there is violence. is, how would you
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encourage people to be more accepting of opposing viewpoints. i did it is interesting. when i was coming up through college and graduate school, free speech was the big issue. but it was the opposite. it was liberals who were shouted down when they spoke. and, liberals have very short memories. demonstration of what has been lost here. the first amendment means what it says. you're not allowed to stand up thisell "fire" in auditorium. it you are allowed to stand up and say "biden i think you are an absolute jerk and by the way, i think we should do away with or i believe that races a problem in america -- race is a problem in america." look, what we do as we heard
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ourselves badly when we do not allow the speech to take place. speech can move to the point of incitement, and citing riots. what the truth of the matter is, the incitement that occurs before the person even speaks, let's called on those who are engaged in that violence. not on the speaker. so i got in trouble, as gov because the when that first up in a berkeley i said i think they're absolutely wrong to deny the ability of the various people to go out and speak. i mean, look, if your idea is big enough it should be able to compete. you should be able to listen to another point of view as there aren't as it might be and rejected. -- as. virulent as it might
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be. don't let the trumps of the world be able to compare you to not seize, races because you are nazis-- compare you to war racists. you are doing the same thing. i taught law school for 22 years. the first amendment as one of the defining features of who we are in the bill of rights. in to shut it down in the name of what is appropriate is simply wrong. it is wrong. lindsay: thank you. i think we time for one more student question. gov. kasich: this is an area where i would disagree with joe. if there was some hate speech person coming, i would not let them come. i would just not let them come.
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here's what i mean by that, hate speech. those quote hate speech speakers. the college president called me is that we're not going to let him come. i said, good with me. i think there is a common sense element. we're not talking now about people with very diverse ideas. we're not talking about that. whether it is left wing, right wing, we're not talking about that. we're talking months of it for the explicit purpose of trying to upset. that is not the issue. we should not have it. that is kind of how i feel about it. if people like it, great. if they don't, don't make me president of the united states. they did not choose the first one, either. lindsay: thank you. we do have time for one more question from one of the students in the class. brando, would you like to ask your question. this is for both. >> i want to thank both of you
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for being here today and my question is for governor kasich. often uses fake news when a new story does not go along with his narrative. do you believe that calling the news fake is harmful to the country as a whole because most of us outsider like people who are living in washington dc, that is where we get our news from. or do you think the media does not cover politics fairly and accurately? gov. kasich: i think if you are all about the eyeballs and money you're not doing your job. there are ethics required of journalists, too. i do not think i have ever used the word of the term "fake news" about journalists. i have great respect and admiration for them. but how do i deal with this?
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i read all kinds of stuff, stuff i grew up from the stuff i do not agree with, just try to figure out what the truth is because you know what i have figured out a my life? there's three sides to every one story. your story, everyone else's story, and what the truth is. i do not want to disparage them but i do tell you they have to carry responsibility. when the election is over i call an executive -- called an executive and said, you made a billion dollars they're going to tell you to make another billion, my question is, if you make the other billion are you going to be able to look yourself in the mirror? my view is that we respect them. joe and i work with them. we've been slammed by them, praised by them. it is part of what it is in the life and politics. narrowcast.u, don't then you reinforce your opinions and that is not healthy because the growing experiences to open your mind for things you never thought you would ask areas. guess what?
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it andit and you grow you are more satisfied in life. so, i would use -- not use that term. mr. biden: you have any comments on fake news? the first tacked that occurs, freedom of expression. , the limitation on the ability to use power is to attack the press. as a legitimate -- as illegitimate. if that thinks through enough, then what happens is you can do a lot of things if you are in power that allow you to accumulate power interviews the power.
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the power.e i think there has been a concert at effort on the part of breitbart and others to try to so discredit the press that then when you do things that are the flat abuse of power, they are characterized as not you doing anything but as fake news. i really did not do that. think of the things, the bold-faced lies that have been eighted just in the last months. i am not holding any water in my hand. my says i'm holding water in hand? it is fake news. that are blatant. that is what i just did. as blatant as what i just did. press,u delegitimize the agree that they are not believable at all, then, you
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know, katie bar the door. it is all about abusing power. accumulating in and using it for your own purposes. way though, would of the things you're going to have to figure out, your generation, every generation has had to deal with it in some form. you know, radio changed the way politics works. television changed the way politics worked. and, the social media is changing the way policies work. tool.a great liberating but how do you, it is a rhetorical question, how do you determine what you get on the ,ocial media that you in fact what do you determine, how do you determine whether or not what you see on the internet is accurate or not?
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how do you make that judgment? it is awful hard. recently you have seen the ability on the internet and social media to actually superimpose my voice on another image andsee the looking like joe biden is saying, i love those nazis. not a joke. it is happening. now that capacity exists. you were going to have to figure out, your generation, what is the filter you use to determine whether or not -- not a like or dislike that you get -- but what on read on and what you see social media and the internet to determine whether or not it is true. how do you do it? it is hard. is goingese i predict to happen. there will have to be some roles of the road and i have been
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wide-open and not restrained on the internet my whole career. but think of what just happened on facebook will stop think of just-- think of what it does happen on facebook, think of what has happened on google. you have a foreign power paying hundreds of thousands of not millions of dollars to run unidentified ads going after a candidate to try to change the outcome of an american election. facebook oversimplified it, saying until recently -- that is not our responsibility. what would you do if the local newspaper allowed ads to be put in the paper without any identification of who took out the ad? rapist. is a he has been convicted of rape.
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you just don't know it. with nobody's name on it. you would think it is outrageous, right? what in the hell is going on? you and, by the way, there is only one thing i do know a whole lot about it and john served on the committee for 10 years. lot about our foreign-policy and national security system. i'm telling you, there is a assaultwn unadulterated on the openness of our electoral system that is in fact frightening. it is not just happening here. france, germany, moldova, it is happening all over. what is it designed to do? breakdown, fundamentally breakdown those elements in our
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governments that prevent the accumulation and abuse of power. that is what it is about. and, by the way, i promise you, i promise you you are going to soon see how extensive it has been. heading upbody facebook to say "i've no responsibility," input out ads so sophisticated where they are making hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars, with no identification. russian out it is government-sponsored ads to try to affect the outcome of an election. it may be the democrats today. republicans tomorrow that are targeted. doesn't matter. so, it is one of the things i predict you are going to do negotiate. what are the legitimate, if there are any legitimate constraints as it relates to the dissemination of information and
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those entities that are within the united states jurisdiction. it is really, i think, you guys are going to spend more time in the next 10 years on that then giving someelse reasonable prospect that at isst, at least you know who paying to have the message put .ut lindsay: thank you so much. i think we could continue this conversation -- gov. kasich: this is important because i tell you why. joe is hitting on an issue and if you put 10 people in a room they may come out it different ways. there is a problem. youhen the question is, can get people of good will not representing their party club but can you get people of goodwill to sit down and figure
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this out. information inside of an iphone unlocked. throw people who love the country and put country first can sit down and worked their way through so many vexing issues. maybe cannot solve everything but to work their way through vexing issues if they are of goodwill and work together. i believe most of these things can be fixed. thank you for allowing me to be her. you have a beautiful campus. i had a chance to walk into the middle of your campus. i mean, it is fantastic. you should be really, really proud of it. i do not think you could've done any better than to have joseph biden associated with the university of delaware blue hands. god bless you. ok? -- with the university of delaware blue hens. ok? god bless you.
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