tv Trump Presidential Campaign Pollster at University of Chicago CSPAN December 16, 2017 8:00pm-9:10pm EST
thank you. thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] c-span, where history unfolds daily. and is brought to you today are your cable or satellite provider. trumpt, a member of the presidential campaign talks about their polling methods in 2016. then, the national menorah lighting ceremony on the white house grounds. after that, a panel of federal judges hear arguments based on shakespeare's 12th night. >> now, donald trump campaign pollster michael baselice talks about holding in the 2016 residential election. he is joined by jethro who was senator ted cruz's campaign manager.
this is about an hour and 10 minutes. [applause] thank you so much for coming. ceo of is president and baselice and associates. he has extensive experience in political campaigns and projects in the u.s. and abroad. his firm has carried out thousands of survey projects. donald trump's presidential campaign. he was a research analyst for the national republican congressional committee during the 1988 campaign cycle and conducted opposition research and targeting projects for key congressional campaigns. in 1987, he produced the s. today, he will
talk to us about the art of analyzing public opinion. jethrords -- afterwards, will sit down with him to continue the conversation. mr. roe is a nationally built the -- he has largest republican consulting firm in the nation. please join me in welcoming michael baselice to the stage. [applause] thank you very much. it is a pleasure to be here today. withnk i have been tasked sharing some information about pulling. one of the things we want to look at is what happened in 2016. so, that is where we are going to start. one of the things i want to share with you right away is the headline that took me about 20 years to get. i wanted to get quoted on this. i was asked why a reporter on
the eve of the presidential primary in 2008. they asked me about hillary clinton and barack obama which i was not tracking. what i thought was going to happen in the upcoming race between obama and clinton. and i said -- you know, i think this race is going to hinge on who turns out. really? so he typed that out but he was on a deadline. i think the race is going to hinge on not only who turns out, but how many of them there are. and that -- and he said that was great. i put that headline out jokingly but it really does come back when we talk about polling in that the race does hinge on who turns out and which polls had a better handle on that and which did not have a handle on the electorate. my beginning with the trump campaign goes back to june,
2016. you see the name here -- kellyanne conway. everyone knows her. i love the line at the bottom of that paragraph where she was supposed up a senior strategic role in the campaign. she did help donald trump when he was considering running in 2012. she was not available until june. i was called by someone about a week before this came out. mike, this is like childbirth. they just brought me to another reason i would like you to be with me on this one. and that is when i joined him. kellyanne conway -- everyone knows her story. when paul manafort left the campaign, she was elevated to campaign manager. that was a good day for as. in the two months i was there, going all the way from the end of june until the end of august,
we were able to manage a loss of six electoral votes going from 162 154. -- 160 to 154. the race was pretty tight most of the way. mid-september, just a few points differential. if you fast forwarded eight weeks from this point, you find that the race ends with the popular vote at about the same place. a two-point lead for clinton. if you work in third-party candidates, which is often done in polling, having a head-to-head between the republican and the democrat and then throwing in third-party candidates, you get a different rate. what i like is what happens and how close the race becomes and what it looks like depending on how you set up the scale. look at the top one. the scale up. -- 50% and then down
to 38%. the one at the bottom goes from zero up to 50. don't think for a second that polling and data cannot be presented in different ways to give you a certain look. certainly, the trump campaign liked the bottom one because it was tighter. at the same time as the national polls that were out through the cycle, there were different statewide polls. one of the things we had to recognize with those is that there were not as many of them as it were national polls. one of the knocks on what happened in the electorate -- and the election was how many polls were there? clintonat mid-october, and mccain were just a few points away from securing the points that they needed. now, i had been with the campaign for several months. to get 10 electoral votes. we were on our way. minnesota. i am highlighting minnesota for
a reason. minnesota was in the tossup category coming even in the middle of october. real clear politics will put something in the tossup category if they do not have three recent data points. the only public poll in 2012 in texas was a poll by the associates. maybe the third data point to move texas from tossup to likely republican. that -- without that public poll, there was no reason for anyone to go poll texas. no one really was looking at minnesota. back to the national look up to the eu for of the election. here is a poll by abc news and the washington post that has clinton with a four-point lead. we can look at horserace numbers all day long and they are interesting to look at. there are other numbers and other questions worth looking at. which candidate is considered to
be the most honest. in this series of questions through the eve of the election, donald trump was considered more trustworthy than hillary clinton. the enthusiasm was in favor of donald trump but then hillary clinton caught up at the end. now, when we look at methodology, and this is really something we don't talk a lot about because it is so interesting and sexy to talk about the horserace numbers. what is a valid? who is winning? is that all we need to know? we need to know more about these polls. oftentimes, you can look at the methodology. here is the methodology for the abc news poll and it is dated july 2015. the same methodology they have been using. they use the same sheet over and over again. digging deeper, they are from media, pennsylvania. producing the poll.
tells bottom of this, it us something that is important. it tells us that 65% of the interviews were conducted by cell phone and 30 pipe -- and 35% by land line. does that sound right? is that balanced? a lot of the polls that we were doing during the 20 were 50-50. one thing for sure is there is no excuse for not finding younger people because cell phones are how you find younger people. for those of you -- for everyone in the room -- who here has a landline? .ne guy we are not going to find any of you students. they talk about waiting and they talk about how they wait on the data. this makes a big difference. we have to know what that is.
they will tell you exactly what they waited too. this is an article. an embargo on data. talking about how close the races. going further down into the data, you see some things -- the 45 -- 47% for clinton. you can see that trump is winning the independents. there were several polls that show this late in the campaign. independentser, started breaking for trump. here is something else and probably more important than what i was saying. look at the demographics. has 38% democrat, 31% republican. below that, when you take leaders into consideration, it tightens up to a four-point different to. which comes pretty close to what i believe it should be in this
country. i believe the country is about a three point democratic advantage over republicans. how do we get there? if we have time, i will show you what the national map looks like on a regional basis. how do i get three points? what was the spread in the actual outcome between trumping clinton? two points. what was the spread between obama and romney in 2012? four points. average the do together, the most recent national data shows the country to be about a three-point democratic advantage. if i see a poll that has 10-12 points for democrats over republicans, what will we do about that? my name is michael baselice, not michael baselice the polling police. i can do anything about that. i also don't think there should be a poll that has more republicans than democrats in it nationwide because that is not the way the nation is.
this is a look at the early votes by state that our party registration. florida traditionally is a point and a half to two points more democratic than republican in its turnout. when we look at our polls in florida, we had a 1.5 democratic advantage as well. that is important to know. in colorado, that was one of the states i was charged with. we got all the way within two points -- three points but no better. if you look at colorado -- they had about 35% of those that voted that were democrats. only about half the state cap party registration. a partyes not have registration. we have to look at other measures. now, we go to the eve of the election. if you are me and you wake up at 3:00 in the morning, eastern even earlier here for you and you see clinton has a 90% chance of winning, what are you to believe question mark
are we looking at this public polling data and are we observing it? reuters has a story. ity talk a little bit about and they are almost giving themselves some cya. -- michigan ohio and ohio were too close to call. it could be enough to tilt ohio and michigan to trump and put pennsylvania in play. by this time, ohio is looking like a trump state. but here, it is looking more like a tossup. michigan and pennsylvania were looking closer. it also shows that clinton enjoys a one-point lead in florida. most of the polls in florida were close. the public polling was pretty good there. yes, because, it does matter who turns out. now, this is a look at the map as it finally ended up.
with 232 electoral votes for clinton. some don't like the look of that map. let us make it a cartogram and make -- and allow the states to keep the color they are but base it on the size of the state. that looks more balanced. if you don't like that, you can go to different shades of red and blue. not everything is really read or really blue. there are purple counties through that county. if you apply that to the cartogram, that is your nation. how trump won. quickly, to talk about this, a lot of things were said after the election. a fundamental rewriting of the map. the myths went far and wide. mike murray said i believe in data for 30 years and politics. please keep believing in data. tonight, data died. it did not die.
we are still around. you still use pollsters, don't you jeff? -- sobriety about what happened tonight is essential. -- polls could not keep up with changing demographics. i might take this quote to task. the polls have demographics in them. pollsy is -- were the part of the demographics? looking at another poll -- this one came pretty close. how they did the pool. some of us in the polling field have a problem with doing a survey of adults and then look
at the likely voters below that. now, you have to wonder if we are getting the right number of interviews in each state. at least they tell you what they did. there are 940 likely voters in the margin of error was 3.2%. get into you, when you the extra tab, that 36% of the respondents were democrats. democrat by my standards for a nationwide poll but that is what they had. and a point spread. but a one-point race. the democrats, nine out of 10 were voting for hillary clinton. and i netted 10 republicans were voting for trump. another poll showed him winning the independents at the end. the national polls don't mean anything even though they can the closest. you need to look at the states. arizona was pretty close. colorado.
resources required us to go elsewhere. colorado, 2.9% was the real clear politics average. in best poll that i showed the final days was a three-point deficit. i was one of those that recommended that we go elsewhere. if you think that we had this great science and formula behind the decisions to move out of colorado and go to michigan and pennsylvania, let me put in my two cents -- it is kind of a necessity. if you are going to lose nevada, virginia, and colorado, the map requires that we go somewhere else. out of necessity, we were looking at wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania. florida showed us to be pretty close to even. point 2%,ome, one advantage trump. -- aia ended up being number of the states were pretty good. iowa was a little off the mark.
public polling said it would be tighter. in the end, trump defeated clinton by nearly 10 points. the state of maine was in the right direction. michigan, most people thought michigan was going to lean in favor of clinton and there was a slight differential in favor of trial. nobody was close. new hampshire. margin of error. new mexico. we took a look at but we could not see it getting better than this. north carolina was closed. it turned out that it was going to go for trump and set off a wave of things on the east coast that were not good for the clinton campaign. ohio missed the mark. why? same thing about any of these polls. i complain about some of these polls being too democratic nationwide. some of the polls in ohio had too many democrats. democrats, too many you get an infield -- an inflated view for hillary clinton. pennsylvania was pretty close.
virginia was pretty close. most of the states were pretty good. some of them were off the mark. the knock is, because of the predictive models out there, that the polling was off. here is something we have to look at. look at what i circled. johnson in the public polling is getting 4.8% in the four-way valid test. 2.3%stein is polling at and gets 1.1. you're looking at about 2.4% of the vote that did not go for these third-party candidates. where do they go? to trump. and clinton falls to point short of the public polling numbers. there were some votes that we can talk about later called the hidden trump vote and how we uncovered that. here, you see polls done in the final days in michigan. doneone poll, the last one on the sixth of 1200 voters had
trump with a two-point lead. wisconsin is interesting. clinton has a 6.5 point lead. if you look at the data, there is nothing inside the second of november or the third, fourth, fifth, six, or seventh. it is somewhat dated. it goes back to the 26 of october. my complaint about wisconsin is that there were not enough public polls in the state. data wasthe necessarily wrong. we have to keep in mind that polls are the balance sheets of politics. anyone in here in business question mark taking business classes question mark if you have accounting, they teach you the balance sheets are assets against liabilities. at a given time. that is what a poll is. a poll october 26 is different than one on november 6. the income statement that measures netting income or net
loss in business are the election returns. election returns tells us performance over time. we see that every two years. a quick look at pennsylvania. lostry clinton pennsylvania. here is what is interesting. and what we did not see until about 2-3 weeks to go in other states like this, particularly florida. the margin of victory in the similar to pretty and obama had done in 2008 2012. you average out obama's margin of victory in the suburban philadelphia counties, you get about 179,000 votes for hillary clinton. in philadelphia county, the same as philadelphia city, it is going democrat all the way back 455,000and she gets margin votes there. not quite what obama had done in his races prior, but add that to
the margin of victory that she enjoyed, she was basically where obama was. what we saw in pennsylvania -- was a 2012 turnout. we saw things in philadelphia looking like we expected them to look in terms of turnout. -- if youf the state are familiar with pennsylvania it is a rectangle. the rest of the state looked different. bush beat the caucus there in 1988. clinton won his two races there. and then the other 62 counties. you can see that bush beat kerry there by 250,000. in 2012, romney diffie did -- .omney defeated clinton trump wins by 700,000. more than covering the vote differential that he was down in
the southeast part of the state. these bring up some points. seeing were not used to and pollsters don't like to admit. but we had to. we saw miami look like 2012. typical presidential turnout that we have seen. but then, there were places in the panhandle, jacksonville, 2014 andt looked like it would be good for republicans. pollsters like one turnout model for the whole state. i have done high turnout models with higher-than-expected voters andrican latinos. for the first time, we had turnout models in one part of the state that maybe needed to be applied and a different one in another part of the state. about theset different programs, upshot, and 538 making these predictions and different paths to victory for
one side or the other. to victory more pats based on the public polling and historical data. when you look at the map on the 21st of october, it was 262 votes for clinton and she is getting close. ohio was still pretty tight i the public polls. for trump.d it and sub really taking off her trump in the final weeks. i am showing this because we have to look at what happened, the data within the poll, and what is in the poll. real quick about the exit poll. it only took place in certain states. only 15% were senior citizens. a good fourth of the vote or more is going to be senior citizens in any presidential election. polls data and the being waited anyway to reflect the ballot but they did not reflect
the ages. i think they had the right african-american percentages in the latino percentages. datalmost have to wait the to make it look like what happened in those particular states. i will conclude with these comments. and then we will go on with some questioning from jeff. the trump targets were identified as voters who wanted to change the country but were not yet supporting him. that is something we uncovered with our polls. peeling off third-party votes. looking at people that were voting for stein or johnson. maplso had to expand the and get beyond the states we were going to lose and look at other states. capitalized on some enthusiasm for trump and deliver on life improving messages. regardless of what you may think about the two candidates, one of the things we noticed in our
data was that hillary clinton was not associating anything different. trump was going to build a wall. reduce immigration. turn back trade deals. bring jobs back to america. cut taxes. bring higher credit for working moms for child care. a lot of things he was talking about were issues we felt were resonating. and there was a hidden trump vote and i can talk about that. why don't i stop here, jeff, and talks more about what happened and what is going on with polling. you should clap for that. that was good. [applause] mr. roe: i rode out some questions. i try to anticipate what some folks might want. we have seen some important rates in african-american
and white working-class rates. how did pollsters -- how do you make the decision when you construct your sample to take account for that? mr. baselice: first thing we have to do is get an understanding of what should the turnout be based on recent elections. we start there. i knows, for example, that there is going to be about 12%-13% african american turnout. latino,nd 20% should be hispanic. some people might say -- wow. texas is on was 40% hispanic. if you look at the adult population it is maybe 38%. then you look at registered voters with a hispanic surname and it is about 25% of the turnout is about 21%. so you have to understand the electorate and then look at other factors. enthusiasm.
and screener questions to get people in the survey in the last days of the campaign. have you voted early or not? if you pick a candidate, are you definitely voting for that candidate? when you see if it is african-americans or anglos are different age groups are partisan groups, that can affect your model a little bit and it can make you want to weight data differently. i had this happen in 2002 in texas. there was an african-american candidate running for senate. for sanchez was running governor against rick perry. at the top of the ticket, there was an african-american on the democrat side and a hispanic. about, at thatng
time, a 25% turnout of latinos and 15% of african-american but there was no historical data to back that up. just because there were two candidates on the list that were black and brown. could i argue that these candidates were anglo that more anglos would vote? no. and so, you have to look at other questions and see how they are answering them to see if the interest is there and wait the data accordingly. out talking started tonight about cell phones and landmines and the percentages of each. i think we had three hands go up. i have a landline. how do you account for that? how do you account for people that do not take the entire maybe walkefuse --
the crowd through how you actually get people on the phone. mr. baselice: when i started in had 166ness in 1989, we phones down in houston, texas. they were eventually bought out by gallup. phyllis was the head of the phone bank. she was one of the original phone people. thatas concerned that at time, spring, 1989, that we were refusals forwo every completed interview. how would we ever get a valid sample? now, it is 15. we get 15 refusals. refusals are standard -- soft refusals which is thank
you. and then there are hard refusals and a hangup. they add up to about 15. mr. roe: does that include no answers? mr. baselice: no, we will talk and one will do the survey and 15 will refuse. other people screen out which is another calculation. half of the calls we make go to voicemail. it takes a lot more dials. it used to take about 15 or 16 to get a completed interview. about 28 or 29 years ago. and now, it can take 100. 110, depending on where we are calling. for polling, and you just saw in the national election that the national polls were pretty good. polling, by for
telephone, we are seeing people that are old and young, different income levels, black, white, brown. rural. suburban. answering surveys at near equal rates. we are getting representative samples. the first thing we do when we go to polling is get a male-female quota in each part of this day. after that, we look at ages. partisanship. and race ethnicity. when i started in the business, you could do 1000 surveys in a state and let it roll. find youngharder to people. and there isndline a 4% chance you will get a senior citizen. 18-24-year-olda -- we even ask for the person. and then we go on to someone
else in the household. so we needed the cell phones. if you have a cell phone and you -- 42, there is a lot more that goes into it now. we check our demographics as we go through the polling. we may go to the last hour of the last night and say -- stop calling republicans in this region of this state. we need democrats and independents. mr. roe: do you find the people as a person that is utilized your services -- don't feel the length of the survey has been reduced. we are doing more cell phone interviewing.
some of our national polls, we sorry, one0% -- i'm third cell phone, one third landline, one third internet. if we could just get someone to answer the call and go through the first couple of questions, we have them. people don't get through six minutes and then say -- something is burning on the stove and i have to go. if we can get them started, they will continue. if they get through the demographic questions at the end, we can't use that survey. throw it away. we can try calling them back if we lose the connection and finish it but we don't want to wait. we want to continue while the thoughts are present in their mind. we don't want to start over it the next day. they may have a new opinion of the candidate. is that called the incident rate? mr. baselice: incidence is the
percentage of people that qualify for the survey that you end up talking to. the easy one is -- are you registered to vote? you would think the incidents from a voter list would be high. but the phone number may be used by someone else. it now belongs to someone else in that county. so the first one is -- are you registered to vote in this county? from there, we calculate the percentage of people we have on the phone and starting to talk to against those that qualify. we are looking for incidences of over 40%. below 30, itl becomes expensive. if you are looking at a likely voter survey, and you start throwing out people because they aren't interested, you can get the survey completed, but it will take more time on the phone. mr. roe: you talked about internet polling.
for me, this is one of the for cycles that we have used that in a meaningful way and trusted it. i think we have tried it over the years. do you see the same participation rate question mark -- do you see the same participation rate questio? we thought we were commercials tov republican primary voters and we had 80,000. we invited everyone of them and 32 people did the survey. a random invite on the internet does not work. you have to have panelists. you have to have people that agree to doing the survey. we have been effective with that lately in our national surveys. when we do 1200 interviews nationwide, we will do 400 by landmine, 400 by cell phone, and 400 by internet. one of the knox that you have to
be aware of with internet surveys exclusively is a can be to anglo, educated and young. you have to be mindful of your demographics. i did a google survey to see the demographics in texas last summer and that is what happened. you can pay two dollars an interview and get more senior citizens or minorities to participate. that is through email. mr. baselice: that is the google survey. when we do the other panel surveys likely due at the national level on issues like tax or form, we have panelists signed up around the country. mr. roe: and they will take them in the required time links. mr. baselice: you can take a havey faster then when you someone asking you questions. mr. roe: kellyanne conway.
bettersident would do ,ith cell phone -- i'm sorry with internet interviews then he would landline or live interviews. and she said it was the shy trump voter. did you buy that? mr. baselice: we started looking at that. in some places, we saw that and in others we did not. we started looking at the psychology of -- when you are in front of your camera, it is like being in the ballot box. there are polling places now that have a screen that you look at and you're just punching numbers. it is more a kin to what you do and it is private. it is more like you are voting. werewe started to look at questions to uncover the hidden trump vote. we asked questions along the lines of -- you know someone that supports donald trump for
president but won't say so publicly? interesting. and when it first came out in our daily call, i suggested that it didn't mean anything unless we ask the same thing about hillary clinton. what will we do with this number when we get it if we don't know what the hidden clinton vote is question i can remember florida with about a week or 10 days to go that there was about a 12 point differential with more people saying they were going to vote for trump than clinton. what do you do with that 12 points? that was something new to us. it told us that there were more people out there for trump and would admit. -- then would it bet. mr. roe: there is a theory about theing and herding and herding of pollsters. people start to see -- this is from public surveys -- people
start to see what other pollsters are using for demographics and so they use the same demographics so they are not accused of trying to manipulate the data. mr. baselice: that is a problem. if you look at states like ohio, and you don't have enough republicans, and everyone is following the same path, all of the surveys are under representing the republican candidate. the worst thing that can happen is what do you do if you are the clinton campaign or the trump campaign and you follow that path? we did not. we had such ways we were looking at from the moment i joined the campaign. we look at our states. colorado was going to be balanced. a few pulls with 35 or 36 and we were still down three points. move along. and so, we had our demographics
known. the key was not to be swayed by the public polls. you can look at the public polls if you are a campaign but you cannot rely on them. mr. roe: do you think there is a philosophy that whoever people think will win is more important than who they vote for? is there any psychological motivation behind media or liberal groups that poll to just make this a feature complete -- to make this a fait accompli? the other position would be everyone is voting for her so i don't need to vote. it can work both ways. was ingest mistake i saw 2006 when called the rhône --
won.ron in mexico head in the am a polls, -- i am ahead in the polls, vote for me. that is not a reason to go vote for someone. or go vote for me, i am behind in the polls and i needed next her bump. we have not seen enough data to come to any conclusive result or conclusion as to what is the psychology behind numbers being thrown out to the public and these polls and what do they mean. you can look at this last election and there were a lot of indicators from the public polls that showed advantage clinton. when it did not turn out that way, everyone started to question the numbers.
the national polls were closer. some states were off. but a number of them that had current data were pretty close. theroe: if you take some of symposium's after the election to talk about what happened and the democrats seem to be relying being second comey letter -- or what impact did you see from the comey letter? mr. baselice: inconclusive. morei wish we had now was polling that went to the end and asked that question about that in a number of different ways. to learn its impact. my mentor at the tarrance group wrote a book. and he said that it takes a lot
-- it is still inconclusive. we just don't have enough data one way or the other. mr. roe: when you talk about weighting. there was more information that trump inings going for the last two weeks of october. with that trajectory have continued? let us talk about the weighting of a survey. is there a standard measurement of how far you will wait? making overpeople
$100,000 and you know in that district it is highland park and 5%. how far will you allow that to wait? have 5% ofe: if we ,he district in highland park and that is supposed to be the number of interviews we are seeking. a 500 sample survey and we need 25. what makes a difference is the content of those 25 people. 12should be probably about mail and 13 female. when i do a statewide in texas, i have 16 sample regions. i have two in dallas. two in fort worth and two in houston. the preponderance for pollsters when they call a county is they find more anglos than minorities. i was finding too many anglos in
these urban centers. i broke out the more minority portion in these areas. and i have a quota for each. top but i be over the figure if i'm going to do this, i have to report data that is representative of the electorate. it may cost more to have more quotas set up. and now i know how many hispanics and african-americans come from these regions. i will still get the proper number of interviews but now, my content -- as a matter of fact, if i could, let us take a look at this. i have it down here further. we have to talk about this also. i know you will want to talk about that ted cruz thing. nationwide, i was telling everyone earlier about how 47% of the country is democratic and 44% republican because of the averages of the last two presidential. gallup had several hundred thousand interviews in certain
and 2016 that mirrors the same thing. in the northeast, it should be about 24 points. if i see a national poll and it is the other way around, i'm going to question that poll immediately. when did the northeast start voting like that? michigan, pennsylvania, maryland, delaware, ohio, and indiana. that is a microcosm right there partisanship wise. the southeast counties combined -- states, are more republican. five points more democrat then the central. south central. i am from texas. oklahoma, louisiana, mississippi, very republican.
if i see a poll that has more republicans -- democrats in that region, how did that happen? the pacific states. if i see a survey that has as many republicans as democrats on the west coast, i question that. we know that data. when i look at a national poll, i question it. there was a poll that just came out from fox news. you will love the headline. this is amazing. it just came out this morning. i saw it getting on the plane. the headline here is -- fox news poll -- storm the roads -- storm erodes trump's ratings. look at the numbers on from and his job approval, 38%. first-time fox news has had trump at below 40. and it is the storms.
that is the headline. what should we look at? not only who is in there but how many of them. if we look at the demographics, this poll this time is 47% democrat, 35% republican. the one in august was three points more democrat. it went from three points more democrat over republican as a nation. maybe the demographics had something to do with the erosion of the job approval. if you read the article, they talk about it. the white house received mixed reviews of for its response to recent disasters. you have a separate question that gives him mixed reviews on the hurricanes and yet the headline is that.
away fromthat we take this tonight is kick the tires, look at the methodology and see how many republicans and democrats are in the polls. mr. roe: let us start with some questions. yes. you for the talk. i have two questions. if that is ok. my first question is -- how do the questions you ask leading to the election impact the questions you will have in the next election? trumplked about the shy supporters. how will those impact your next questions? and to what extent do you think pollsters will start using artificial intelligence like data mining systems that you see -- that you can see hidden patterns? i will start with the first one.
we are asking questions now about donald trump's job approval and we are seeing 41 or 42. we are also asking other questions, almost like we did in the campaign. someone that has approved of the job trump is doing but won't say so publicly question mark and how about this -- even if you disapprove of the job he is doing, are there some things he is doing that you do like? you take those questions together and you have two thirds of the country that like something he is doing or like him overall. that is of much bigger number. it allows those that have issues to then target another group of that now like something he is doing. put out the same
kinds of questions the next time around. usedhas some analytics he when he was helping ted cruz get as far as they did. good race, jeff. we looked at acxiom data. info group. you may be a wine enthusiast of a two. we don't even know what a two means. when we see that combination, and it is showing up again and again with other voters, and you -- but you areok a conservative? to look ate patterns large numbers of voters. i understand they were doing some data mining and still looking at the ballot test and
the name ids but not digging into why you are voting for hillary clinton or why are you voting for donald trump. they did not know the why. we do get large numbers of interviews completed and you combine it with the other data, algorithms can be traded to look for other things that voters have in common. and yet campaigns are using it. democrats were using this before the republicans. we finally caught up in this last election. if you are a cat lover and a cat lover and old like wine, you are probably not conservative. >> my question is, i have always found it pretty fascinating to look at the hidden trump supporters. i am going to vote for.
are you comfortable talking about the things you can use in the future for those guys of people that would vote for him but would not admit it, maybe even to themselves. there may be and question along those lines that i can put out there -- where do you find these votes question voteshere are x number of we are finding for him. wen, it was a matter of -- need some more people to win florida or more in pennsylvania or michigan. and we had combinations of questions. and you start building the area an easy one would be -- a gender question and an age question. put them together. now, you have males, under age 55, two variables that come
together to make a complex code. then we start taking other questions. would you prefer someone that wants to take the country in the same direction as obama or do you think the country should be led by someone that can take the country in a different direction? early on in the campaign, that was good for trial. it was 60-30 for trial. was -- keepday, it it as it is going. you may have someone that is undecided on the ballot that wants to go in a new direction. people thated at were probably leaning for hillary clinton. we just put aside those that were definitely voting for hillary clinton. we started looking at other combinations of things to come
up with a where to go to get a few more votes. we knew it was going to be close. we are ready had a few questions we were developing to expose the hidden trump vote. but what do you do with 36% of the people that say i'm going to vote for trump that won't say so publicly and 24% saying the same thing about clinton. we are still looking at that data. maybe we have to come back in four more years to say if we had expanded on that. you had talked about that after the election people said the data was lying. looking at 2018, how are people going to trust data even though the methodology does not lie and does tell a complete story -- how will you get politicians to hire you or get citizens to trust you to help with that going forward? what is the potential for the
data interest-rate risk -- data industryrate -- data writ large? mr. baselice: we look at demographics closely and we are mindful of them whereas the media -- that is not their first interest. their first interest is getting a story out there and sharing the job approval ratings. the short answer is that there is nowhere else for candidates to go but to the industry that has pollsters existing. there are new tools out there. we are looking at internet polling more. quick surveys on the internet. mining data. voters scoring. voters scoring does not answer the why's. it just shares with you some issues that are important.
it is a combination of tools being used. within the industry, to be trusted, we all have to fall flat on our face on both the democrat and our side. and we are still here. and so, until they can figure out how to replace us, jeff, don't replace us yet, give me a full -- a few more cycles. keep us around. i am playing around with the notion of going back to door to door. not everyone had a landline phone but there were enough people of different demographic background set had phones that you could get a good sample. so they said they would give up going door to door. mexico, i do both door-to-door and telephone surveys. and you may have
had someone come to your door with an ipad who asked you questions right away. it is just like doing it over the phone. we could do these kinds of surveys over the weekends. in election years when the sun is still up, you can do that. halloween, you would have to do a lot of saturday and sunday polling. we have to think of some other things that will help us collect data and give everyone a chance to be interviewed enough to get a representative sample. another way to answer that is that we will be around in our industry as long as we are useful. if we can't hit the mark, time and time again, candidates will look for something else. briefly -- add on analytics can tell you for
cruise found the data scoring and people were mad about fireworks being banned. you were able to connect with people. red light cameras. des moines, iowa area. those. hated issue peoplend an agree with specifically, it is a special moment in politics. we were going to talk about niche issues that were important .ust to one voter
>> time for two more questions. pollingpolling -- did and a real effect on corker flake's decisions. i have been around people who work in the senate and it is a hard road. i do not know if the polling was part of their calculus in their decision not to run. but it is a hard life. you have a little bit of a life in congress depending on if you are chairman of the committee but i don't know how much polling played into their decision. yes, sir?
map see you have the divided into 7 different sections. it is interesting to look at the numbers. have there been studies that take a deeper dive into each of whye areas and explain they are the way they are in terms of cultural affiliation. economic? mr. roe: one comes to mind immediately. three different news outlets for the same story. hispanic voters in california versus hispanic voters in texas. you look at thousands of
interviews i have selectedm -- about 30%and in texas of the hispanic community votes republican. there is a 13 point differential from california. hispanic voters in california are more liberal by about 15 points. the lifestyle, the news you get, the taxes are different, and there is no income tax in texas. there is one in california. there are all kinds of variables to be looked at. what kind of news are you getting? there are many factors. what we don't often do after an election is look back and say
what percentage of this outcome was because of the demographic makeup of these people. their spiritual beliefs, economic position and education. we do not do enough to look at all these variables. we are so happy by the victory and so set by the loss that we piddle around with it but do not do in-depth studies. independentile, an party will pay and the other folks will have the same on the other side of the island dig into attitudes. -- isle and dig into attitudes. yound a lot of questions are asked is binary. how much of it is ordinal scales. job approval ratings, when do
they switch to approve or not approve? there areth: questions where we can go beyond that -- mr. roe: tell me why you think republican health care is a good idea. those are open ended questions. we can do you play questions. questions.nt some will say that it is good because x,y,z. and others will say it is a good b,c. because of a, it still gives a choice. most of the questions are designed that way. there are also questions being done on scales. the scale of 1 to 10. where republicans
are more interested than democrats. it helped of them in the midterm elections. one thing that helps the current republican governor, you look at the 2014 election results and that is a big deal. i did six surveys of u.s. senate races for a business group and i said democrats are going to win all 6 seats. they said, are you crazy? people do not like obama from 2010. republicans got control of the house. i said 2012 is different. that is a good obama year. republicans are not going to win any of the seats. we had to look at the scale
questions. most of the questions are designed to be approved and disapproved. they are easy to ask, answer and analyze. >> i want to thank everyone for coming. i would like to thank you for having two right-wing knuckle draggers on the stage. thank you for coming, mike. very insightful. thank you all for being here. well done. ♪ [applause] ♪ [indistinct conversation] announcer: majority leader kevin mccarthy has announced the house will vote on the senate conference committee version of the bill on tuesday.
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