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"the hill." the looming government funding deadline is going to be the focus, the january 19 deadline. republican leaders on the hill huddled with the president at camp david over the weekend. what do we know about what they talked about when it comes to resolving this budget impasse? guest: well, they are talking about with the priorities for 2018 should be. as far as the budget goes, what they are concerned about is what they see as a lack of military spending. they feel the military is overstretched. all four branches. that readiness is that an all-time low. speaker ryan put out a statement last week, if you look at military readiness in the early 1990's compared to now, it is much to grated. i think they want to focus on boosting that defense spending number over whatever increased
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other programs get. there is also talked on the hill about getting an immigration fix is part of the spending bill is probably not going to happen. the immigration negotiations are not as far along as the spending deal is. behind the scenes, democrats and republicans said they were pretty happy with how things went last week. they seem to be moving ahead. host: democrats are willing to punch that immigration discussion a little bit farther down the road and not included in this funding deadline? guest: that is a good question. last week, they were saying that the meeting that they had with mark short and mick mulvaney went pretty well and they are insisting that there be a global -- what they are talking about is a global negotiation. they may be willing to split the issues as long as there is an understanding that something will be done on immigration along with the spending bill, even if it is not in the same
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package. they should be a little bit cautious because the president and the republican leaders promised susan collins health care would be taken care of before the tax bill moves and that did not happen either. i think the democrats should have trepidation as to whether they really want to take republicans at their word that this immigration bill will be dealt with even not as part of the spending package. host: jason dick, i want to bring you in on this. what are you hearing as far as what might come together by january 19? guest: it is sort of oscar and golden globe awards season, so i think a lot of democrats are asking what their motivation is to cooperate? on theuld not get in negotiations of any kind of substantive level with the tax reform debate because the capacity through the procedures that allow the republicans to not consult them. it is different now with the spending bill, with immigration, with any of these health care bills that alex is talking
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about. what do they get out of it? before we left for christmas break, nancy pelosi said there was no way we were going home for the holidays without an immigration deal. they went home for the holidays without an immigration deal. it sounds like their supporters are getting a little antsy on this. keep in mind, this is a crisis that the white house created. they are the ones, the president himself is the one who set this march deadline for taking care of this deferred action on childhood arrivals program. democrats have some leverage and i think there is an internal debate, at least that is what our reporters hear, that is what we here in the capitol about just how hardball they are going to play. at this point, the possibility of a government shutdown by january 19 if a deal does not come together by then, is there talk of another continuing resolution to buy
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more time? guest: even if they do get a deal today, they will not have time to put together a trillion dollar appropriations bill. republican leaders have been very clear, mitch mcconnell has been clear that there is not going to be a shutdown. they guarantee it. they had the experience in 2013. it was very bad for the gop brand. the last thing they want is a government shutdown. two democrats want to precipitate a shutdown and hope republicans will get the blame? traditionally, they have not played that game. they have not been willing to take government operations as a hostage in high-stakes talks and i would be surprised if they did that. host: the week ahead in washington with alex bolton and jason dick. what do you want to talk about? what are the issues you want to hear from these two folks who are very connected on capitol hill? a great time to call in. democrats, (202) 748-8000.
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republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. jason dick, remind us of some of the other deadlines we should be keeping in mind this month, specifically what is happening with the chips program and some of the other ones? guest: so, the children's health insurance program, a bipartisan program passed in 1997 with democrats and republicans alike, it is meant for children who are not poor enough to qualify for medicaid, but who otherwise would not have another option for health care, it expires september 30. several states exhausted their cash reserves in order to keep kids enrolled in it, but then they started sending out that they didces not know where the money was going to come from. they got a little bit of cash infusion with the continuing resolution we are operating on 19.that expires january
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that will not last that much longer into the new year without some sort of -- i always hesitate to use the word permanent -- extension, but a long-term extension, at least a couple years. they have that to deal with. there is also the foreign intelligence surveillance act authority, part of the patriot act. host: the section 702 program. guest: the house is going to consider a long-term extension of that on thursday. they are operating on a short-term extension. as alex mentioned, these health care stabilization measures. susan collins made her support for the tax bill contingent on passage of two market stabilization measures. that is a lot. we are three and a half months into this fiscal year. we are already past the deadline. ,ost: a lot of constituencies
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for each one of those, is there a possibility of some kind of grand deal coming together for all of that or are we more likely to see these things taking place piecemeal one at a time? guest: i think it would be challenging for the most adept president and congress to get all of this wrapped up. we saw barack obama and john boehner failed in their efforts to get a grand deal before john boehner left. this is tough for people who are really good and this congress and this president have shown that they are not -- they will probably not be regarded as the most competent, best at their jobs. i can't help but think it is going to be a series of short-term things. host: alex bolton? guest: i think they can get the section 702 reauthorization, the chips down as part of the spending deal because those are
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relatively routine. i think the health care component is a lot harder than anyone anticipated. they are very quick to make the promise to susan collins they were going to pass this marie-alexander which subsidizes insurance companies to keep rates low and this bill sponsored by susan collins and bill nelson to keep premiums from getting out of control for more expensive people. but that is very controversial in the house. people are facing primaries next year and this could be painted by challengers as an obamacare bailout. i think that part is going to be hard. i think the immigration component is going to be very hard. i think those things, i think immigration is not going to be part of the spending deal. health care, we will see. host: why do people keep underestimating how hard it would be to make changes to the health care system, to the affordable care act? the halls of congress,
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when they look at it as policymakers, i think some of the prescriptions are pretty straightforward. there is bipartisan consensus. patty murray, the democratic ranking member, they say look, this needs to be done. but once you start looking at it through a political lens, then it changes completely. i think that is why they underestimate it. i think the policy solutions seem pretty straightforward on the hill, but politically it goes topsy-turvy because there could be -- because people are worried about tea party challengers and how this gets portrayed in gop primaries later this year. host: plenty of time to talk about campaign 2018 in this hour. the roundtable with alex bolton of "the hill," jason dick of "rollcall." let's get to some of the callers. irv is in bloomington, illinois. independent line.
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caller: yes, a couple quick comments. one is why are we even bothering to try to balance the budget if our politicians are going to give away the cash coming in? it would be like me walking into the office and telling my boss, i don't mean the extra money, i'm going to let you have it back. the second comment is why should i vote for either party if, according to the courts, they are an independent corporation and not beholden to the people? i will listen to your comments off-line. host: that is irv in illinois. thatof the issues politicians are thinking about going into 2018 in terms of getting people to vote for them. guest: it is interesting. the budget is not balanced. the tax reform bill is projected to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit.
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they are talking about an infrastructure plan adding more. if they do and immigration deal, that will cost more money. it is difficult to explain if you made your career saying we have to bring deficits under control. frustrationevel of that if you're expecting that from your member of congress and they keep voting for the deficit. host: do you think that gets in the way of what the president wants, a grand infrastructure investment? guest: some of the stuff we saw from camp david this weekend, the president said he does not know how the public-private infrastructure partnerships would work.
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it.s sort of disparaging i think they would like to get something done. contractor, he likes to build stuff. you can go up there with a shovel and cut a ribbon and say we are opening this bridge, that is a nice ready-made campaign thing. the cost, if they actually get some sort of agreement, they will make that down the line. what is the incentive for democrats to want to join in on on what would politically be seen as another victory for the president before the 2018 election? guest: in the senate, you have 10 democrats running for reelection in states that trump won in 2016. they have incentive to look as
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people who can work with the president to get things done. polls show voters are tired of the partisanship, they want solutions. if you are joe manchin or joe donnelly, if you can vote for an infrastructure package and work with the president and get a photo op, then that is good, that is good for your general election chances. but the problem is is this going to be something they can support. let's go back to tax reform, democrats at a press conference last month where you had almost 20 of them saying we want to work with the president on tax reform, but this is not something we can accept and they have a real problem with the corporate rate going all the way down. if the infrastructure package is not what they kind of envisioned or not the classic infrastructure package that the democrats want, where you have a big contribution from the federal government, if it is mainly reliant on private sector fundraising, if it is going to be building things like toll roads and things like that, i
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think the president is going to have another hard time swallowing it. how do you pay for the infrastructure package? the plan was always to use corporate tax reform, the repatriation of money overseas to pay for that infrastructure. that is what paul ryan and chuck schumer had been circling around the last you years, but that money is out the door now. it is really hard to figure out how this infrastructure package happens with anything significant. host: west chesterfield, new hampshire. ron is a democrat. caller: good morning. good morning, washington journal. awesome guests as usual. i love this show. i think everything comes back to the haves and the have-nots on just about every issue. i would like to move to sexual misconduct and hour laws in this country because everything is geared toward the wealthy.
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you could wipe out decades of misbehavior by just paying money if you are wealthy. and you pay some money could misbehave for a decade, pay some money, you are off and out and running. bill o'reilly, you know. there are so many examples. host: let me bring you to congress. do you think that can happen for politicians in this day and age after the year that we just saw and the #metoo movement and the members of congress that have left in recent months? caller: absolutely, so long as the wealthy have the option to just pay a fine, pay a payment, were accused- if i by eight women over the last 10 , irs of sexual misconduct would be in prison for 10-20 years because i just would not have the money to pay the millions of dollars and pay
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everything off and be done with it and that does not work with just sexual misconduct, it is with all of our laws. host: got your point. jason dick i want you to pick this up. movement that seems to be happening now and your expectations about what it will mean for 2018? guest: it seems like the issue is here to stay. the house is looking at policies and procedures for how people come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct. i think people admitted late last year that the code is archaic, overly complicated. especially when we saw that in contrast to the way that media companies and other businesses and so forth were dealing with the accused.
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they are updating the procedures, but the house and senate move a little differently. i would suggest that they will get their act together too. in terms of a political issue, because it has been fairly widely dispersed among the parties, younger members, older members -- the fact that the president himself has been , itsed of sexual misconduct seems that it would not be a political issue to the detriment or vantage of one party. host: patricia on the line for democrats. caller: good morning. conspiracy means to plot together. collusion means, "a legal agreement, to lie." live tv, mr. trump said,
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"russia, if you are listening, get me those 30,000 emails." that's it. investigation.a what is happening on capitol hill this week and next? bring us to the immediate future here. guest: people are really just waiting on the robert mueller probe. meanwhile, the two investigations that matter the most right now are the senate intelligence committee investigation, pulse of the senate judiciary committee investigation. they are looking at a little bit different things. the judiciary committee is focused on the circumstances of james comey's firing and looking at his role in dealing with the clinton campaign in 2016, as well as the trump campaign. as far as the senate intelligence committee, they are moving ahead with interviews, they expect to have principles come before the committee and answer questions, but i have no timeline on that.
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that is to be figured out. the bottom-line is both of those congressional investigations are moving pretty slowly and i think lawmakers really want to see what robert mueller comes out with before they speak on the subject. he has all the investigative power. they are pretty much waiting to see what he does. host: some news on that front this morning. nbc news reporting that anticipating that special counsel robert mueller will ask to interview president trump. the president's legal team is discussing a range of potential options for that format, including written responses in lieu of a formal sitdown. according to three people familiar with the matter. lawyers have been discussing with the fbi investigators a possible interview by the special counsel with the president as part of the inquiry into the russia collusion of the 2016 election.
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obviously, we don't know when that would happen or what we would find out about it, but your thoughts on if the president were actually to sit down for that interview. guest: i would be surprised if he did because it is a constitutional question and i think if he doesn't want to, he does not have to. it might look bad, but on the other hand, is going to want to put himself in a position to delegitimize this investigation if it comes up with anything negative, so that is a reason for him not to sit down with them. i would be surprised if he did, but it is hard to guess. host: did you want to jump in? guest: i'm having flashbacks to the clinton administration when president clinton was interviewed. it was over the secure line. they sort of answered and asked questions. the crux of some of the obstruction of justice claims against the president. there is huge risk. host: in that format? guest: in that sort of format,
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particularly somebody who can kind of bill off-the-cuff like donald trump. this would not be his first deposition and he has sat for a number of them over the years, but there is a huge risk there, but it also may be kind of enticing to him, particularly if he thinks he wants to clear things up. i just remember like how kind of diminished clinton looked in those sort of crane -- screen captures when you saw him in this weird windowless room on a secure line. obviously telekom was a little different back then, but it was a weird moment for the country. host: coming up on a: 30 on the east coast, a half-hour left with our panel. alex baldwin of "the hill," jason dick from "rollcall." terri is in canton, north carolina. what's on your mind? caller: good morning. good morning. bolton, over your
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right shoulder is a flag. they've got it flying upside down right now. you've set me off. host: we are still here. you are talking about the flags outside union station on capitol hill in washington dc. one flag has been twisted in the wind. it is flying upside down. that is disrespectful. i'm looking forward to the fake news awards. host: who do you expect to get an award? i thinki tell you what c-span should be in the running. let me give you an example. the last day of last year, you run the thing on charlottesville and the president talking about both sides.
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then you went on to show neo-nazis with tiki torches. you show the klansmen. you refused, like every other news organizations, to show antifa destroy public property. you refused to show the communists carrying the red flag with a hammer and sickle. your thing on the introduction, the republican independents. it should read communists. that is the you've got running the democrat party. alex bolton on the fake news awards this week and what you're are hearing from news organizations around town, how much interest they will happen with the president has to say in whatever format this comes out on wednesday. guest: yes, i don't know whether people will see it as a badge of honor or as an embarrassment. i guess it depends the u.s..
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i don't know how you are going to -- he is going to justify these things. "the failingalling new york times" fake news for a while, similar cnn and abc. he has been very critical with the press. it does not seem to have phased "the new york times" or "the washington post" or cnn. there was an interesting interview between cnn -- on cnn between stephen miller and jake tapper that was very contentious. dear getting to the point where the administration and the media elite are talking right past each other. as far as trump and his inner goode goes, they see it as politics to diminish and delegitimize the media. that is part of what this is all about. i don't think that news are goingons in d.c.
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to take those fake media awards that seriously. that is not to say that they shouldn't. president trump does have a lot of supporters out there. i think people should be receptive and at least pay attention to criticism. that does not mean they should stop doing what they are doing. host: jason dick. guest: i have mixed feelings about this because i'm kind of quick to be defensive, knowing how hard that we all work. caller my message to the within our editorial meetings. , it is hard to get everybody on the same page in a small newsroom at rollcall. the idea that there is a sort of the concerted effort among media, whether it is cnn, c-span, "the hill," to delegitimize the president is simply not true. we are all doing the best that we can.
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we are working like incredibly hard. most of us are not in this for the money. it is certainly nice to be paid, but this is something we feel is important, it is an important part of the democratic process, to cover what happens in washington. that being said, having somebody sort ofmp insult us is like sometimes you are blessed with good enemies. "the new york times" has done quite well under president trump. people feel very strongly about subscribing to that and to "the washington post." host: you think the news media has gotten sharper because of the criticism in general? that they will double check and triple check more than they did in the past? in fear of being called out for something like this? guest: i think certainly there is an awareness and every newsroom that you need to make sure that you have got your p's and q's straight.
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we have always taken it seriously, we always take the fast -- fact checking, the seriously. you have broken quite a few good stories yourself, john. how many times have you had to withstand a withering amount of criticism from somebody who's bys has been embarrassed legitimate reporting we are doing? obviously, the stakes are higher when you have the president making these noises, but this is not new to us, being criticized and people saying you're not important or you are making things up. i feel it we are doing the same job that we have been doing all the way along. host: the president announcing on twitter that the fake news awards are happening on january
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17, wednesday, rather than what was expected to be today. washington, douglas, republican. caller: good morning, mr. bolton, mr. dick. two comments and three questions. real quick. i don't think america has any place for neo-nazis. it is an embarrassment to our country. secondly, black or white, republican or democrat, we all should realize we are americans first. , when it comeson to infrastructure and you talk about rebuilding roads and iuff, i thought that was, thought there was a federal gas tax and stuff to fix all of our roads? if they douestion is fix the daca for the 800,000
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people that came over young, they said it would cost $19 billion -- now i could be wrong just process them and also say the wall is about $20 billion -- so don't you think that maybe they could come together -- i mean, they won't, but if they did, trump gets his way, plus they get daca because they are both going to cost about the same? my last question is, what do you think about the alabama election where roy moore was accused by all the women and girls, so it was a big deal, he lost because of that, i believe, and now, you don't hear a word about the accusations and stuff, you don't hear a word after the election is over? it seems the kit was all used because of the election --like it was all used because of the
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election. host: alex bolton, i will let you start on the infrastructure, gas tax issue and the daca fix and the cost of that. needs well, the gas tax to be increased, but there is no political will to do that. people are talking about a mileage tax now. because you have electric cars out there. host: when was the last time it was increased? guest: the 1990's, i think. the early 1990's. it is not indexed for inflation. the money it generates goes down every year. guest: while mileage standards have gone up. mileage standards have gone up and they have not indexed for inflation. guest: there are really only two guys calling for a gas tax in greece, tom carper -- increase, tom carper and bob corker. i don't know why it does not have more traction on the hill, if they tax, it is
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something that can be campaigned on. people are afraid of that. he is talking about some sort of deal where if you have. cut and infrastructure paired -- daca and infrastructure paired, therefore maybe they should be paired together, i don't see that happening at all. for one thing, the infrastructure package is going to take a while to hash out. they don't have any ideas right now. they are two there a veryoversial subjects -- controversial subjects. host: jason dick on the daca fizx. >> and we leave this now. you can find it online. just go to the series tab. select "washington journal" to find this and other


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