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joining us is the director of the democracy project. remind folks with the bipartisan policy center is and what it does in the space of voting systems. it's a think tank to incorporate the views of both parties. commission back where president obama pointed his lawyer and mitt romney's lawyer to try to reach some consensus as to what we do to fix our election system which will improve the way we run the machinery of elections. host: what has been approved since the initial recommendations came out? guest: we need to work on our
voter registration system. the ability to register online, allowing states to share data so they can registrationoter lists and the president was concerns about the lines at polling places and we are focusing on the voter experience. third, technology which is a tricky issue in that it is helping the voting process but any of the voting systems that were put in after the florida election are now aging and could use some updating. that one of the things came up in this last election we had was security. that came up in the last election we had was security. did we tackle that unwanted we learn particularly when it comes to voting machines and voting technology? guest: people talk about the way our elections are under attack but that could be a lot of things. opinions on social media, that is a difficult set of issues.
there are two sets of issues. could someone actually go into machines that cast ballots and change results? we saw a little more activity on this front. for you to go change your address or voting status. i would say there is work to be done and some news has overstated what happened in the last election. there were no votes changed. while not perfectly secure and we can work on them, there is no evidence any vote was ever changed in a -- in the election .n america there has been overstating of the issue. the homeland security department states probed 21 in some way. most of what it means is, like there was looking at whether one could get through the firewall of various protections, but only a couple of cases where someone got in
and saw some voter restriction --a cared we note not of any there are things to be done to fix them but some of the rhetoric and reporting has overstated what actually happened. election votes were not changed. host: voting election systems and topics -- will be our topic. if you have questions -- host: when it comes to states, looking at machines and registration systems, how are they updating that as we head to this election and future ones? not that long that we have had a technological solution. back with the florida election,
only seven states had a statewide computerized database. there are many states that now allow an individual to register , that is all progress but there are security issues. open up the process to people changing things, it actor to-- another come do things. on the whole, there are a lot of protections built into the system. register to vote, you are not changing the database directly. you're putting your name in there and there are a lot of checking and protections for the voter. a postcard if they move, and if you have a problem with the bowling print -- polling place, you can cast the initial ballot per a lot of human precautions are taken. some could use updating. there is growing cooperation between the federal government,
especially dhs, and local officials. that was a tricky and bumpy road and it is something good for us going forward. host: the topic is updating the machines and the processes they are going through. there will soon be changes in the way we cast our ballots. why the end of next year, every county in the state would have voting machines, and several vendors gathered in harrisburg -- possible options. >> you can go back and forth. >> we are seeing what is out
there and trying to make up our mind and we will go from there. >> let's go from the paper ballot. is this a move in a lot of states are making? >> there have been two types of systems. one looks like an atm machine where you touch the screen. the other is a piece of paper. sometimes the atm machine has a backup piece of paper. moving to some sort -- some form of paper voting. i think generally the market is such that any that buys new systems will move in that direction. i would not save at every state vulnerable, but that is the general trend and having a backup system, preferably paper but perhaps an electronic backup, is important for the voter to know that the way they cast the valid is the way this will be counted. how prepared are the states in the financial aspect and do they get help from the federal government to do that? guest: more can be done on this.
we had a big infusion of federal money and that was going time in our history where the federal government provided the money buy new was used to voting machines. those systems are aging. of securityestions but also general unit -- usability. some of those are at the end of their lifetime. we see it will not solve the problem in full and may use more for other purposes. they will need more money for state purposes as well p or do it is a challenge for the next five years for many states to update those machines for the next round of technology. talking to ustier about voter systems. our first call is from diane, pennsylvania, democrats line. go ahead. caller: how are you today?
about voting systems. statingtleman is nothing has been proved that anything has been tampered with but there has not been a full investigation which i have been told over and over again and see on tv that there is no full investigation. there cannot be any proof without a full investigation. guest: the caller asks a good question for we have a big decentralized voting system in america. it is the case that each jurisdiction is doing, and has many procedures in place to look at votes and after the fact. our commission recommended a series of audits that should be done. risk audit which
looks at whether the votes are cast as we expected them to. there are broader audit procedures for states to look into. there is a lot of checking on this and a lot of places on the way that the voter and voting officials look at the results and have a good sense of security. there is more we can do, and there is not one national audit. it is one function but there is a lot being done and goodwill will and good work being done at the local level. host: waldorf, maryland, independent line. first, a statement. people have been calling up with the first question about a democracy and a republic. can you imagine what it would be like if every morning, we had to get up and create a true democracy and had to vote on a computer every morning on the
questions before us asked the american people -- host: address your comets are questions to the guest here. caller: a democracy and a republic in its sure sense because at the end of the day, don't our representatives represent what we believe and vote for us in a real democratic fashion? thebody go ahead and define difference between a republic and -- host: we will leave it there. mason in ohio, democrats line, go ahead. caller: why haven't we had all the states simply go sample their votes comparing paper reported tootes verify there was no interference with the reported votes from the various precincts? reported to
broadly speaking, the election machines were voting on are not connected in a way that allows a mass hack. host: this is carl, in maryland, and independent line. to echo theuld like response from linda from florida. she is right, a number two pencil, a paper ballot and you can optical scanner if you like but those need to be checked randomly by the people volunteering at the polling places. there is no need for electronics.
any electronic and be hacked into and is no such thing as an air gap anymore. flaws with a paper system? guest: i think the difficulty in counting is very complicated. the time it would take to do would be very long. typically, a state that has a paper-based system is they have a scanner count the ballot but those ballots are there for a recount or some sort of canvassing of the polling place that they could be looked at. if we were worried at about a particular race, they could be in the background to do that hand count. down to the small as numbers, hand counts of issues as well. having postelection audits are the types of dallas that are cast. like everyone complains every election about waiting in line to vote. obama made aent
point about this in 2012. he appointed the commission. it's not an issue for most people. most people don't wait in line but the minority that do, some wait a long time in line. what we are trying to do with our report is get election officials to measure how long are your lines in every hour at every polling place. if you can measure it, you need to fix that problem. sometimes it's a resource problem. sometimes it's something unexpected like the power goes out or 200 people show up at the beginning of the day so we need to know more. we've got 88 counties and will probably get up to a couple of hundred to measure closely in getting serious about thinking about allocating resources and how voters can improve their experience at the pole. i would point to virginia and michigan. across counties from all the country but virginia and michigan had significant participation.
level,local and state they have taken it seriously and want to collect the data and look at it and look at the problems and how to we address them. host: let's hear from falls church, virginia, independent line. caller: i want to talk about exit polling. to c-spanening yesterday and there was a lawyer on their talking about how the independent media outlets have gone to a consortium to do their exit polling. in 2016 come in the election, when they got the results, it was a gut punch. the exit polling numbers from went to and colorado all-male in voting system in 2016. it was literally impossible for them to get exit polling results for colorado.
they went back and looked at it and said all of the exit polling numbers were malarkey. happen? that who is set up the consortium and who was auditing these exit polling people to be validating false numbers in the first place? host: the broad topic of exit polling. guest: there are problems with the polling industry. the caller points to one big trend in america. we do more voting before election day than we used to, about 40% of people either by mail or in person before election day. the exit polls try to account for that and ask people and know that some percentage of people do that. it's not a perfect science. it's one thing they are trying to way to make things more accurate. storythere was a recent out of california looking at polling places with five california counties with mega voting sensors -- centers.
what about this new way to give people a place to vote? guest: it i think it's a very good idea. there are a number of people that have exterminated early voting but especially with early voting across a county so that you might be able to vote near your home or near your office or on your route. i think the challenge there is it adds a certain level of complexity and it means you have to have a live connection to your voter registration database and make sure no one is going to one: and another. people that's consistent with modern life that we are not always voting near our house them we might want to vote somewhere in our daily pattern. host: los angeles, independent line. caller: good morning. i know there is a lot of pushback on technology. technology is inevitable
and it makes our lives better. maybe that's debatable. it would be interesting to see technology implemented with voter registration like a decentralized system. it would be distributed instead of one source of verification. you could have hundreds of sources of verifications. then you would see a lot less audits cramming up the institutions. interesting to do something like that, thank you. guest: i am not enough of an expert to tell you the in's and out's of the technology but i talked to people who use it or know about it. perhaps is too slow or too complex and is not needed. the other thing to note is what kind of verification are we talking about? the one thing about voting the makes it difficult to check on
is we want to make sure everyone casts the vote the way are they're supposed to. we cannot say let's go see your ballot. nobody else will know voted that way except for you and answer difficulty in verifying voting. several people wrote on the electoral college. in the national voting election, make that case for and against. guest: i wrote a book and i said it's hard to imagine you could have 1% of the population go one way and the electoral college go the other way but we happen -- but we had that happen the last election. it's a worrying sign that we might have a widening gap between those two and that might put a strain on it. on the positive side, we may not realize it that we vote by state on everything. we don't have representatives that represent across states. now, unless we are
contemplating in a norm is change in the way we won elections, a system like the electoral college were you vote in your state and whether you win the state or not is a key is something that's been consistent with our system. changing that would mean changing more than you think. host: our guest is the director at thedemocracy project bipartisan policy center. you can read more about that. let's go to tom in texas, republican line. caller: good morning, my comment is that the first time i came across a voting fraud issue was in 1984 in silicon valley. a number of the republican february -- federated overheard a member of the democrat central committee say they could pull a switch on any democrat in any election. that prompted an investigative effort on behalf of the
republican to find out exactly what the relationship was to voting and technology in the process of investigating, they were required to accept what you called blackbox reasoning. that is to say they could not verify what was going on within the machine. they had to except the manufacturer's word for it. this carries on throughout every argument you have about technology even up to today. we have to rely on blackbox reviewing and i don't think that is acceptable. i think we should go back to jimmy carter and the way he handled things in the third world which was paper-based. host: thank you. guest: we talked about paper before. i think it is the way our system , 70% of our systems have a paper component. theink you would agree that
voter has the opportunity to verify the ballot themselves and not just you hope the machine recorded as you see, you actually see the ballot and you know what you wrote on it. that is something that gives voters some comfort. there are some worries of the voters don't look at those ballots as carefully as they might since they are for his by a machine and they throw them into the scanner and you're not careful. >> thank you very much, thank you. today, i am honored to host president buhari of nigeria at the white house right here in the beautiful rose garden. , i want touhari thank you very much for traveling to washington for these import d