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for campaign 2018. us now is tim story. e served as the director of state service many we're talking bout redistricting as we head to the mid-terms. thank you for being here. >> thank you. why redistricting comes into play. >> it starts with the cent yus. we are -- census. because the constitution all the districts have to have roughly the same have of people so we equal representation of congress city councils. a constitutional requirement. it is to make sure that is equally voice represented. > once the states have that census information, how do they these lines > when the framers of the
constitution established our frame of government, they wanted distribution it was a -- constitution of the states. time, place, the and manner clause of the onstitution so that legislatures, states control the manner of how elections are run. this is part of that. data in year e ending in one. hey get the data by april of 2021, and then usually it goes legislature, and we'll talk about congressional or u.s. house redistricting. are those who do it outside the legislative body, california, the biggest state in the country, as montana, some and of the smaller states. usually they'll have hearings, public input, draw draft maps, send it to the chamber and
to the governor. goes through the traditional process in the states. legislatures in states how many are held in republican hands? state e are 31 legislatures where the house and senate are controlled by republicans. this is the most republican legislatures in the history of the united states. have riding ns high. they control state governments and policy. the democrats have 12 or 13 states where they control both the house and the senate, and a handful of states where one party controls the house and one party controls the senate. heading back to this election, so t why this election is important, this is a little kahuna. 20 is the business kahuna, but there's a lot of reaction in his one because over 800 state legislators who will be involved will be in two weeks, so less
weeks.o there are 36 governors, 34 will restricting.n this is a big redistricting. 2010, it was the first for barak obama. it was devastating for them. yeah, the 2010 election, they had the strong redistricting he process of 2010. the democrats don't want to be flat-footed. they have been focused on this. democratic s a election, then in future redrawings it could play out for far as the power they get? >> yes. redistricting is a political process. it also -- i always like to remind people that you have to number of other laws, one person, one vote, the so it is not act, ust like they can gerrymander
into oblivion one party. party andry political if one party controls it, they the law he best within to advantage their party. >> if you want to ask questions bout the process of redistricting and how this election might play into that, live are two lines, if you in the eastern and central time zones. you live in the mountain time 202-748-8001. you can tweet us thoughts or questions. when it comes to the current of legislatures, tell us -- two stand out because they cases, whiches whiches, and the other one escapes me. north carolina, virginia. tij yus ting is a le process -- is a legal process.
sometimes it is republicans and sometimes it is democrats. there are a number of ways to challenge plans. supreme a huge u.s. whiches ision out whiches -- whiches con -- the say constitution does not anywhere you cannot draw maps for political purposes. tradition that goes back to the first maps of the united states. in fact, there's a great story of virginia where patrick henry was no fan of james to gerrymandered him out of his u.s. house seat. was the father of the constitution and he was almost district in the very first election in congress. here is a big destroyings out of the -- big decision. essentially the court said when the benchnnedy was on and he was the swing vote, that find the u.s.
onstitution limits gerrymandering. >> when it comes to parties, are both sides involved equally in of drawing lines to benefit their party most? innocent.r party is you are either going to comply with the law or think very hard bout the political ramifications of how the map might work. tremendous amount of data to support that motive. at all kinds of partisan data along with the population data and the plays into data that it. neither party is innocent. >> back to the supreme court, often do they decide to insert themselves in these fights? speak. often so to because, you know, as an issue area that the supreme court heard dozensy have of redistricting cases, starting 1960's. the 1963, many 1962, states did not redraw their
district maps. 2-00,000 people, and some had 50,000 people. the supreme court steps into the -- into this, be ever since numerous have heard cases, usually around voting rights issues, that's where most of the litigation has taken place. the supreme court has very more than other issues you might think of, they re directly involved with the redistricting process. >> we have lines for you. georgia.rom this is scott. my call.you for taking hello. ahead.'re on, go caller: i used to be a republican -- for 30 years i was republican. this race we're having going on been listeningve to what trump has been saying, okay to lie?t these guys are so good amount it
now, it is crazy. i'm not voting republican anymore. caller, our guest specializes in redistricting. do you have a question about that? republicans are gerrymandering. i don't know how they are doing it. they don't win, i know -- if you're a democrat now, they are redistrict the areas where it is going to be hope icans and -- i just democrats win. >> okay, caller, thanks. governor race is vital to redistricting. georgia the maps will be vetoed and signed by the governor. is republican, the legislature is republican. democratic governor can win the race, it is a close one. one where the democrats, she has a four-year term.
he'll be sitting in the governor's chair in 2021 when the plans are drawn. decide.have to it won't be just one party controlling it in georgia. he republicans have a large majority in the georgia house and senate. it is unlikely that the back the can win majority. they can gain seats, but they a major impact. >> this is from pennsylvania. talk about pennsylvania's experience. >> pennsylvania has been in partial r gerrymandering. courts addressed this -- redistricting case. kennedy was interesting. it teed up this case. the republicans said, you know, had had control of that map. drawn up a map that complied law.the but, you know, it was an
dvantage to the -- to the republicans. so justice kennedy is the swing 5-4 decision, and says gerrymandering might be is nstitutional, but this not the case. ten years later they bring in wisconsin case, but he's no longer on the court. from breeze wood, pennsylvania. john, hello. caller: hi. the important part that this gentleman's story is failing to fact that in e pennsylvania unconstitutionally newly elected justices in our supreme court situation. they overthrew unconstitutionally. it gets to the state supreme out ande power to throw draw their own map.
not only the court, they took the executive and the legitimative power -- power and authority and they had their own happen to from the districts eastern end of the state. this is terrible and it should crisis that tional a court can impose this as an executive and legislative. you.aller, thank >> the caller brings up another or from this angle a year two ago where it was a pennsylvania state case, not a federal case. did overturn court the congressional plan and ordered -- and actually drew a and actually required the legislature to turn over its data and the into a battle with their own state court over ho has access to the data used for redistricting. so the question of whether or ot that was constitutional or not, the cower ruled on -- the
court ruled on it. can appeal a state ruling to the u.s. supreme court. i don't know if that was the it was not taken up by the u.s. supreme court but it overturned. >> james in silver spring, maryland. caller: good morning. the f my questions is that whole reason we have electoral trying is that we are to balance the weight among the states. redistricting? why not everyone who votes and whoever wins the state wins the state. >> that is a good question. college -- r cal lectoral college is for the u.s. the redistricting applies house, not the senate. there are 435 house members. oftentimes people talk about
reaportionment and redistricting. apportionment is done after the how s and that determines many seats does each state get in the u.s. house? after that, you have to make sure they have the same number people. the reason you redraw the lines is because the constitution it.uires they want everybody's vote to have roughly the same amount of house is n the u.s. voting on the federal budget or efense spending or money for health care or, you know, affordable care act. o the reason we do the redistricting is to make sure it is one person, one vote. apportionment is another matter. seats each state get. a number of states in the south west will gain states and other states will lose seats in house.s. >> 31 state legislatures across the united states are controlled by
republican hands. you take a look at the elections coming up in november, and senate, house 42 in the house only and four elections.h no 2018 in arizona, steve, hello. go ahead. c-span.go morning, i want to give praises to the show c-span. have been watching for years. it gives americans the pportunity to go right inside our law-making process although we're not able to vote. redistricting has a lot to do with money. who they find are more valuable cater to, and they are breaking up districts. democrats, i'm not sure, we know that the democrats to -- they got their hands in a lot of shady hings these days, you know, going back to the bret kavanaugh hearings and all of that other stuff. on the street every day.
i'm talking to people, voters, right to ey took my vote away. so i'm out there pounding the of ment getting the pulse america, and i've discovered here in arizona, among people my between 40 to 60, that a lot of these voters are disgusted the entire democratic party, even their democratic and they want to know like right now they are talking msnbc about what's causing the divided america. so divided? that's the way they want america. off of the mind more important issues, and so why eal reason i believe the democrats lost the election you remember when hillary called the united states of people deplorables? when that came out of her mouth, lot of people. >> got you, caller.
>> arizona is one of seven the congressional redistricting is not done in the legislature in the political done by a commission. they call it the arizona independent commission for redistricting. california is one of those states, idaho. michigan two states, and colorado that will have on he ballot in this election, measures to take away redistricting from the legislature and do it in a thing.ion kind of the biggest -- this will be my redistricting, so a long time, and you know you've been , involved in this a long time. the biggest trend is there is gerrymanderingon on partisanship in redistricting have ost 30 years that i been involved in this issue. hat's leading to some of the changes on the ballot in colorado.and they are using criteria, you
or t draw a map that favors disfavors one party or the other. you have to draw maps that are competitive. arizona they have a commission, but a notch of states are going in that direction. >> are there outside influence ins redistricting? > usually the state party is involved as well as the d.n.c. parties.the national the money that's involved, particularly on the democratic side in this cycle, because they sort of get wiped out in 2010, obama's first mid-term, he loses over 700 seats in they are es, so redistricting that. so the money is on the campaign side. a very crats have organized project to elect to elections.ate the republicans do too. but eric holder and barack obama are leading the charge for the democrats and they elevated the state ional of the elections largely because of this.
the money is on the campaign side. story, national conference on state legislatures, a little bit about the organization. founded in 1974. our mission is to help egislatures to do their jobs well, strengthen the institution. hen lawmakers are dealing with ealth care, transportation, immigration, environmental issues, criminal justice, that they have good information and share ideas. we are strengthening legislatures and help them share ideas. if you have a great idea in rhode island, the people in ifas can learn from you, and ou have a great idea in texas, people in north carolina can hear from you. we have a washington office that the states ocate to and to the administration and to congress to make sure the are being terests looked after in washington. projection shington s more for -- is for more
gridlock. the states are taking the lead on a lot of issues that not much up the street here behind your shoulder, and so -- ncsl is trying to do what is good for their people and their states. next in west virginia. caller: am i on? >> yes, sir. caller: i have two questions. virginia over the have lost ars, we population, and from what the census is aid, the what you go by to get representation in washington. that's my first question. my second question is about maine. maine revised their ballots, i'm not sure about this, something like one to two, whatever they to have some sort of say of what happens in their state. will take your answer off the air. god bless you. have a good idea.
the usualtence was in -- sensies was -- census was in original constitution for reaportionment and redistricting. we reaportioned it in the 1930's. if some states are growing other states, they will get seats in the u.s. house, if other states are not fast, and almost all states are growing in are just , some growing slower than other states, and west virginia is one of those states. the other is instant run-off voting in maine. the only state that has it statewide for some of the of the offices. you would essentially choose the rank order of your candidates. if you preferred candidate did after the first count, your second candidate it.d make it is an experiment. the states are the laboratories
of democracy. trying a lot of different things to serve the people of their states. tried to really experiment how they do the election process. mentioned is iowa and how they do it? how do they do it? >> iowa has a unique process. hey have for congressional redistricting, they have their maps and n staff draw they are prohibited from using political al data or addresses. they draw them blind to the based on the ome population an geography of the state. hey submit it to the legislature which can vote it up or down, but they can't change it. states are other starting to mirror. their process, while it used to where they are ot using political data, it is not as unique. a lot of states are using that
redistricting. >> jim is in fairfield, connecticut. caller: when a minority party i ns control, and i think heard this, that the democrats ecure more votes in a state overall, redistricting efforts where a minority party wins but they they lost theen total vote similar to the electoral college in many regards. thank you. >> yes. realizing that each state has a certain number of members, 30 districts, each state house might have 90 or 100 districts. let's say states like colorado have congressional districts. each election is a different election.
in all of the districts, 50.1% andget republicans get 49.1%. was so one district heavy for republicans, they might have more total votes statewide, but you will have six demo -- democrats and one republican in this unlikely scenario. a statewide election but a district by district election. you might have more votes in one district, both parties, a long time, they've been there. but they have to dish get more votes and hopefully they get their votes. it is really a district by district election. host: rosedale, maryland. that is where jesse is. caller: good morning. this gerrymandering thing about voting, they can select who to vote at any time.
can they do the same thing about taxes? if people don't get their chance to vote, do they have to still pay taxes? those people that never got a chance to vote? that is a little bit cruel. guest: understand what you are saying. the requirement that americans pay a federal income tax, sales tax in their state is not related to voting. it is sort of a message that if you care about taxes, how your money is spent, how your legislative body, whether state or congress in washington, if you care about how they spend your money, implement tax
systems, you have to vote. that is another reason to draw you to be involved, register to vote, make sure you are ready to go on election day, fill out your absentee ballot, vote early, if that is an option. taxes and spending are certainly within the domain -- the supreme court has ruled on that. it is incumbent on every one of us to not only cast our vote but encourage everyone to vote. host: in pennsylvania, erie. jim, hello. caller: i wanted to ask your guest a couple questions. i'm a lifelong democrat, i did not vote for trump, of course, but the last two years have been really good for erie, pennsylvania economically. i am a machinist. i had my first call back to work about six months ago.
here he, pennsylvania in the last two years has gained over 10,000 manufacturing jobs. i don't know if you have ever been to erie, pennsylvania but we had all kinds of manufacturing here in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's. what concerns me is what i hear on television. i heard, the last two days, they are using this word nationalist. i look that up in a dictionary, and basically, nationalist is somebody who loves their country. i watched the people on cnn, msnbc, nbc, and because the president -- again, i did not vote for this guy, but this is what is happening. they are always talking about divided americans. as soon as this president uses the word nationalist -- i looked it up, love of country, basically -- they immediately say that he said a white nationalist.
he did not say white nationalist, he said nationalist. i just made a trip from erie, pennsylvania to state college last week to visit my son. all along the way i am seeing wagner signs in trump lawns. back in 2016, i would only see trump along the way. my wife said to me at the time, any chance that idiot could be president? guest: i have not been to erie, i have been to pennsylvania a number of times. you talk about the growth in jobs. 10 years is a long time taking one senses and another census. the population shifts quite a bit in the u.s. that is why the census is taken every 10 years. thomas jefferson was head of the census when he was in washington
over 200 years ago. it is a long-standing tradition that is vital to the u.s. that we take a good senses. not only would i encourage people to vote but it is less than two years before you will hear about filling out your census forms. it is not too early to think about thinking about -- giving your information to the census bureau so we can make good public policy decisions. host: when it comes to the mechanics of redrawn lines, how is that typically done, how heartily processes that? guest: there are a number of components on the technology side. 30 years ago, it was those wax paper with colored pencils, drawing a plan. now it is highly technology driven. special mapping software that is readily available. there are some terrific products that anyone can draw up and drop political maps on the internet. you can google redistricting map tools and probably find a few on the web that are free. there is mapping software.
then you have the data side of it. census data, election data, other elements. highly technical. now there are great printers, display maps online. it is much faster than used to be, you can analyze plans, all sorts of indices to measure whether a plan is compact, another requirement that states have to pay attention to, if the district are relatively compact. host: how transparent of a process is it?
guest: generally quite transparent. most states have established parliamentary rules about when you're holding hearings in committee you have to make sure they are publicized ahead of time, you have to make people to have input. surprisingly, the myth of the back room operation is not quite as evident as it had been maybe 30 years ago. most states go through the process in a fairly open way. they also invite the public, constituents to submit plans. you can do that in a number of states. host: michael is in texas. go ahead. caller: how are you all doing? can you hear me? i have a comment. down here in texas, our top cop, attorney general was charged and convicted. he is still on the ballot. they are going around here gerrymandering, taking people off the rolls, they put people on probation so they cannot vote. if you can walk around free, you
can vote. you are computing to the tax base, whatever. they must go in a room and say, what can we do to suppress the vote? that is sad. i was looking at afghanistan. if 2% of their people vote. over here we get barely 40%. -- over 50% of their people vote. guest: the fact that the caller brings up gerrymandering, the american public is more consciously aware of this process that i've seen in 30 years. there is a lot of pressure to review the process of redistricting. that is why it's on the ballot in number of states. california change their process, ohio already changed before the cycle. you are seeing a lot of change being pushed from regular voters, regular citizens who are
concerned that it has gone too far. host: jan is next from oregon. caller: thank you for taking my call. i had a question for your guest regarding whether the national conference of state legislatures ever gets into the question of voter suppression as it relates to ethics. you keep talking about everybody should exercise their right to vote. however, for example, that gentleman that you had on earlier, jesse, what he was asking was if your vote has been suppressed by some magic wand -- for example, in georgia, the secretary of state in charge of voting is also running for
governor. they have reported 53,000 potential voters who have not matched up on their computer system. when those people's votes are suppressed, how does that ethically fit with exercising your right to vote? guest: i'm glad you brought this up. the national conference of state legislatures, we are nonpartisan. we provide a lot of information about how states run their elections.
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