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tv   Campaign 2018 New York Governors Debate  CSPAN  October 28, 2018 1:04pm-2:04pm EDT

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, kramer. marcia: the candidates for governor of new york face-off to discuss critical issues facing 20 million people welcome to the one and only debate for the highest office in the empire state. joining me is rachel along with the candidates, governor andrew cuomo and republican marc molinaro. the first question will go to the governor. there was a toss. a quick review of the guidelines. no opening or closing statements but you have one minute to , answer a question and 30 seconds for a rebuttal when warranted. governor cuomo, you won the toss. for many, the cost of living in new york state is just too damn high. why can't you trim the $168 billion budget and give people some tax relief? did businesses often cut budgets by 5% but not her core functions.
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would you commit to doing that and pass the savings on to your taxpayers. thank you for sponsoring this debate. i heard the line before, it is too damn high. i cannot remember where i heard it. you are right. the cost of doing business in the state of new york is just too high and has been for many years. the formula is simple. if you want to lose weight, eat less. that is the formula. it is just hard to do it. it is the discipline to do it. what we have done in the past seven years is we have cut state spending to the lowest increases in modern political history of -- history. our increases are now down to 2%, lower than any governor in modern history. lower than democrats, republicans, george pataki who called himself a conservative, we are down to 2%, it allowed us
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to cut middle-class bank taxes, -- middle-class taxes down to , the lowest level since 1947. corporate taxes since 1968. manufacturing since 1917. but that is only half the story. the real estate tax are the property taxes. it is three times the income tax. we have to get local governments to control property taxes. my opponent of over seven years raised property taxes 58%. that has to stop. i passed a 2% cap on counties, 2% on counties, and it is making a difference. marcia: i have a follow-up question for we get to mr. molinaro. what we're asking you to do is commit to spending less period so the money can go to taxpayers. i have been accused
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as you know in the democratic primary, because you are there and you accused me of being too fiscally moderate because i have the state history, only 2%. think of it. my rate of spending is less than george pataki. reduceways working to costs further and get the taxes down. texas come from the counties. my rate of spending is less than george pataki who called himself a republican conservative. i am always working to reduce costs further, get the taxes down. we have to. but three times the taxes come from the counties. marcia: we will let's molinaro respond.
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mr. molinaro: your budgets have increased spending at an annual rate of 4% each year so despite the fact that you suggest you've been able to hold to 2%, you haven't. what you've talked about in trying to drive down local property taxes is dishonest. this state forces more state spending on to local property taxpayers than any state in the country which means local property taxes are arbitrarily high because you have not been willing to take on the responsibility of driving down those costs. i'm committing today, as we have during the campaign, to reducing property taxes 30% over five years. it's achievable, it's possible. if only albany were to control spending and reduce what it forces on down to property taxpayers. as far as my record, it's nice to talk about what happened 15 years ago but in the last seven years as duchess county executive, we've modernized and streamlined government and cut property taxes each of the last years, and on monday, i released a budget that cuts property taxes for the fifth straight year. gov. cuomo: can i make a comment? you're making up numbers again like you make up facts. there is no 4% increase. it's been 2%, it's been
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documented. you were in the county legislature seven years and voted to increase property taxes 58%. mr. molinaro: i did live with it. gov. cuomo: you were in the county legislature seven years. let me finish. you voted to increase property -- county spending 45%. that's where the taxes come from. mr. molinaro: no, sir. gov. cuomo: we can to did for states. mr. molinaro: it cap going. it kept going. no, sir.naro: gov. cuomo: county government --
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you can make upolinaro: numbers if you wish but i served in the county legislature -- governor, first of all, the years you're referring to, you were not governor. i have been in office since 1995. let me finish my thought, sir. we were able to hold spending in county government but mandated expenditures continued to rise. we also saw economic growth at that time so the average tax bill for county tax bills while i was with the legislature decreased but over the last eight years we've seen total economic stagnancy which means communities aren't getting assessed valuation growth and property taxes aren't going down. i will commit to 30% reduction over five years. marcia: gentlemen, we're going to move on. gov. cuomo: you raised cell phone taxes, raised utility taxes. you call yourself a fiscal conservative. you're a fiscal fraud. i've done more fiscally than republican conservative governors and you know it. mr. molinaro: i'd like to get a question in here edge-wise. the republican president passed a law to affect taxpayers negatively.
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how do you explain that? oppose the capi because it put us in a high tax base at a competitive disadvantage and abandon what has been a commitment since the civil war. the problem in new york is weeks tax too much. city of new york, property taxes continue to make us less competitive. the governor has done nothing to reduce the cost enable us to do -- decreased property taxes and i will. we identify as ways in our freedom plan to provide real relief to taxpayers. this state taxes you incrementally so if you make a dollar more than the tax bracket, the state penalizes you 100% of your income. i say that's inappropriate and by changing that tax law, we'll provide meaningful relief and with all due respect, the governor over the last several years has been threatening republican members of congress throughout the state of new york.
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i want to work with republicans and democrats to get the salt deduction re-established, restored, for real relief. marcia: your rebuttal? gov. cuomo: i've worked with democrats and republicans for seven years and passed seven budgets on time in a row. i have no problem working with democrats and republicans. i do have a problem with what my opponent represents and is happening in washington, these extreme, conservative, divisive people who are anti-woman, anti-lgbtq, anti-new york. it is not true to say i support half of the salt bill but not the increase on the new york taxes. excuse me one second, marcia. this is important. that's how they pay for the tax bill. when you say you supported trump's salt bill. mr. molinaro: i didn't. gov. cuomo: you put your political loyalty. mr. molinaro: i've never said that.
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gov. cuomo: you just said you did. mr. molinaro: i said i opposed the cap on salt deductions. i've said it multiple times. gov. cuomo: you can't support half a bill. you know that. that's how we financed the tax cut for the rich was by taking away our deduction. that's how the bill worked. you're a legislator, you can't say i support half the bill but not the other half. mr. molinaro: i never said it, governor. marcia: we're going to move on to another question for governor cuomo and the ever-popular m.t.a. since the m.t.a. uses four times the number of workers on subway projects than any other city, for efficiency sake, you clearly have to slash labor costs to make scarce dollars go further. how do you do that without angering unions who support you and avoid strike? i want to ask you is it acceptable for unions to have jobs like nippers who watch materials be moved around and hog house tenders who man the break rooms? gov. cuomo: i don't think i've ever met a nipper or a hog -- marcia: but they exist on the m.t.a. projects, under second avenue subway and other projects.
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gov. cuomo: hog what? marcia: hog house tender. do you really need those jobs. gov. cuomo: i thought i knew what i was talking about. obviously, there's going to be waste and abuse in these programs and we can do better. marcia: is it acceptable? gov. cuomo: of course not. you've watched my performance for seven years. marcia: how do you rein in the union? gov. cuomo: i'll tell you. first of all, there have been unions that have been mad at me for seven years. you know it very well. the most powerful unions in the state. marcia: not the transit union. gov. cuomo: the most powerful unions in the state have been. i have no problem angering a union when it comes between doing the right thing by the people and doing right thing by a union. i'm the most aggressive governor when it comes to building in the country. $100 billion, j.f.k. airport, laguardia airport, rochester, syracuse, albany, et cetera. i will take on the m.t.a., i have no problem ducking
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responsibility. it's a question of funding. the mayor doesn't want to pay. the state legislature, my opponent voted against $7 billion in m.t.a. funding. you need the funding. my opponent endorsed my plan but it's about the funding and we need the money. marcia: mr. molinaro, how would you get unions to get in line and cut jobs and waste? mr. molinaro: first of all the , governor's abandoned responsibility for the m.t.a. and we've seen it in the death spiral in the last several years with on-time rates declining, with those living with disabilities not able to access subway platforms. we see the continued delay and it hurts real people, governor. and the political game you play with the city of new york. marcia: but how do you do it? mr. molinaro: the political game played with the city of new york means no one's solving the problem. first take ownership. the state of new york is responsible for the new york city transit system. marcia: we are waiting for a
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solution. mr. molinaro: our plan is to first take leadership responsibility and wipe clean those people who are in leadership today that have entanglements and conflicts of interest and identify the savings that can be had. by achieving those savings, we will share it with the unionized employees and users and invest in the system. we have to make the system function and it isn't. it's the lifeblood of the city. the governor said the problem with the m.t.a., it needs more money. we pay eight separate taxes to the most bloated public authority and the world, and users and writers depend on the system. we need to make it effective. marcia: my colleague has a question for you. gov. cuomo: just to correct the record. facts matter once in a while. what my opponent fails to answer is, you're not going to find this money, marcia, in just cutting the waste. it's $30 billion. marcia: that's a start.
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gov. cuomo: that's what we need. mr. molinaro: what you just acknowledged is that even 1,000 dollars means something. you just said we're not going to find the savings. gov. cuomo: you're not going to find $30 billion to fund the plan. mr. molinaro: your m.t.a. costs five and six times more to lay a mile of track than it does anywhere else in the world which means we're wasting dollars and savings need to go back in the system but what is equally important is that when you declared a state of emergency to solve the problem, it's gotten progressively worse and at the same time -- gov. cuomo: that's not true, once again. mr. molinaro: it is true. and at the same time, we know there were hundreds of employees brought in to work on the m.t.a. and nobody knew what their jobs were. there needs to be accountability. taxpayers and consumers and commuters deserve it. we see the deterioration in the commute -- gov. cuomo: you have never seen a governor take more
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responsibility for the m.t.a. than i have. i know. mr. molinaro: you are obsessed with him. gov. cuomo: i declared the state of emergency. george pataki never went near it. gov. cuomo: he was a republican. i said to new york city, pay half the funding. they refused. i went to the state legislature, got the full plan funded. performance is increasing and when you were in legislature you voted against $7 billion in m.t.a. funding and that is why we are -- mr. molinaro: taxing people more is not the answer until and unless the state takes the responsibility for the waste, abuse and lack of accountability. you rushed the opening of the second avenue subway and they didn't even have fire alarms in the system. my point is it's about establishing outcomes. gov. cuomo: you wouldn't have gotten a building code. mr. molinaro: you didn't. gov. cuomo: you need to fight waste.
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it's not $30 billion. that's all i'm saying. marcia: the next question is for you, governor cuomo. gov. cuomo: i thought he was next. marcia: you erased him. here we go. people sometimes call the states ethics commission, j-joke. it has been said that the current lef ethics lacks the teeth to fight corruption. would you support putting the election commission to the hands of new york's chief law enforcement officer? gov. cuomo: the a.g., which i know because i was the attorney general already has , jurisdiction. j cope is the first time the legislature agreed to an outside body to do any ethics review. marcia: what is it outside when it is all appointed by the legislature? gov. cuomo: i'll get to that. it was always purely internal. the legislature said nobody has a right. j cope was first time you had an outside entity.
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i agree that it was a good first step and i believe in the thin edge of the wedge. i believe we need more independence on j cope. and i believe we need -- marcia: what form does the independence take? gov. cuomo: totally independent marcia appointees. marcia: who appoints them? gov. cuomo: i'd be open to a number of configurations. you right now appoint six? i'd have the attorney general involves -- involved, the chief judge involved inia, pointing the members. change starts with the thin edge of the wedge but now we need more independence. marcia: mr. molinaro, rebuttal? mr. molinaro: you have all these officers going -- officials
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going to jail for corruption. at what point after being in office eight years do you take responsibility or admit you have benefited politically from it or have no clue what's going on in the administration. this is what is stealing from taxpayers. you have allowed individuals in this administration to defraud taxpayers and anywhere else in america no governor could possibly be running for re-election. the point is that, at the end of the day, corruption steals from real people. you raised $101 million over eight years in exchange for $50 billion worth of state expenditures. and mr.time is up molinaro, you get the next question. gov. cuomo: i have to have a rebuttal to what he just said because it was false. marcia: 15 seconds. gov. cuomo: this was ad hominem and it was serious. for you to say in your situation to point fingers, yes, people in my administration made a mistake. they went to jail. your county legislature is calling for an investigation on
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you for kickbacks and perjury, where you gave a contract to a vendor and then a family member got a job and they got another contract. that's your own county legislature asking for a criminal investigation of you. so i wouldn't point fingers. mr. molinaro: i find that entirely ridiculous and by the way, governor. gov. cuomo: is it not factual? what's not factual? mr. molinaro: let me finish my sentence. what you described has been demonstrably proven false, sir, and it is highly, highly hypocritical at best for you. your chief assistant making phone calls from your office. gov. cuomo: it's your family member putting money in your pocket. this is a bribe or kickback you took. are mr. molinaro: it is not. you sir, it is not.
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are it's been demonstrably proven false. i'd like to finish this thought. you are gov. cuomo: did the you money go in your pocket? i have no idea what you're talking about. the employee's salary didn't go you will in your pocket after you'd given them a contract and then a second credit? the governor leveled a charge and has been now speaking almost without -- without pause. in a gov. cuomo: tell me what's false. joe percocoa making 800 phone calls from your very office. gov. cuomo: he shouldn't have. you will and you do what while you were there, sir. on target gov. cuomo: how about the kickbacks? of the kickbacks? this what we do all day? gov. cuomo: this is about you you only and me.
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no one's saying i did anything wrong. they're saying you took a kickback. marcia: will you both change pay to play? what will to play? mr. molinaro: yes. how? mr. molinaro: i come on! the governor established a moreland will governor established a moreland billion dollars commission and it was supposed to root out corruption and when it found it was happening in his own administration, he canned it. i will re-establish a moreland commission and ask people like barrera to serve and use that as a tool to hold back the forces in albany who think it's ok to defraud people but, sir, your administration, eight, nine individuals now found guilty. you can't expect the voters of the state of new york to believe you had no idea. the exchange of state funded taxpayer resources for campaign contributions, crystal run getting $25 million worth of state aid for a project already underway in exchange for campaign contributions.
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it is highly ridiculous to think for a moment that you are going to change that now. gov. cuomo: you know why the people would believe it? because it was a two-year investigation and every u.s. and investigation and every u.s. attorney said i had nothing to do with anything. in do with anything. i did absolutely nothing wrong. and meanwhile, you're the one who's been called on for an investigation for a kickback that went into your pocket where you had a family member employed by a contractor who you gave a contract and then you lied about it on the disclosure form and dog will it on the disclosure form and you cannot deny it and that's a crime, my friend. sir gov. cuomo: and that's you, that's not joe, sally, jilly, it's marc molinaro. mr. molinaro: willmr. molinaro: untrue, sir. i have a question for the governor. governor, we all see the tragedy
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of homeless people living on the streets every day, many suffer from mental illness. yet police are prohibited by state law from removing them you state law from removing them except under the most extreme conditions. would you support changing the state law to allow police to take homeless people off the street against their will to get them help and shelter for their safety and the safety of others? old and gov. cuomo: rich, i've worked with the homeless population, as you know, all my life. it's a very difficult issue. ait's a very difficult issue. and there's two sides to it. it's the legal side of when do you bring a person in against their will. that runs right into a civil liberties and civil rights conversation that is very important to all new yorkers. the law says, when the weather youthe law says, when the weather reaches a point where you could endanger their lives, then you can bring them in. i believe the problem is, they're smart. they don't want to go into the shelters because the shelters are unsafe. if we make shelters safer, with more services, people will come in. they don't want -- i talked to them for 20 years. they don't want to sleep on a park bench in grand central. they really don't. but the shelters are unsafe. and that's where we have to focus. making the shelters safer with
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services so we get people out of situations they don't want to be in. marcia: mr. molinaro? mr. molinaro: i think i get a minute to answer the question. i would hope. what we need -- gov. cuomo: you get a 30-second rebuttal i think is the rule. mr. molinaro: what we need to invest in is mental health services, ensuring those who live on the street have the support of state and local governments and what albany needs to do is coordinate our response which means crisis intervention training, mental health, first aid, making sure those struggling with addiction, mental illness, have the support structure necessary. certainly shelters need to be safe but at the same time the governor has allowed the dismantling of mental health services. people finding their way to the streets when they really need help and what we do in my county and i want us to do statewide is a comprehensive response to strike at the stigma related to mental health and provide long-term support. at the same time, marcia, it means we also have to ensure that we help those living with developmental disabilities, their population has skyrocketed in homeless shelters and we need to support those individuals, as well. gov. cuomo: just one second. this is so hypocritical for you to sit her and -- an acolyte of
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donald trump, mini me of donald trump, who is decimating healthcare in this state, taking healthcare from poor people, cutting medicaid, cutting mental health services, removing health insurance from close to one million new yorkers and say, the answer is more healthcare services. marcia: 15 seconds. mr. molinaro: i'm surprised it took him this long to go there but i have been in leak office for a very long time. i was in office before you and mr. trump. gov. cuomo: yes, you're a lifetime politician. your private law firm represented mr. trump and his real estate interests before state agencies while your father was governor. you accepted $60,000 from donald trump and haven't returned it. you, when trying to make friends with the president when he came to office, told him you wouldn't run against him and you had him at your bachelor party, i didn't. at the end of the day, i have a long record of helping those who are most vulnerable. gov. cuomo: are you saying you don't support donald trump? mr. molinaro: i'm committed to the delivery of mental health. gov. cuomo: do you support donald trump?
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mr. molinaro: i support anyone who will effectively make -- gov. cuomo: do you support donald trump? do you support donald trump? you can't answer it and you have answered it because your ad on tv says, i vote conservative for marc molinaro and stand with donald trump so you may as well have said it here. mr. molinaro: today, under this president, and this federal government, america has the most competitive economy in the world and new york state lags behind. gov. cuomo: just say you support donald trump. tell the truth mr. molinaro:. mr. molinaro: i support every effort to ensure. gov. cuomo: say i support donald trump. mr. molinaro: i support every effort this president. gov. cuomo: you won't say you support the president. amazing.
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marcia: mr. molinaro, you get the next question. should new york state eliminate cash bail for low-risk criminal defendants like california and new jersey already do. the argument is that cash bail discriminates against poor defendants who must remain in jail awaiting trial while the wealthy walk free. opponents say changing law gives the judge too much discretion regarding the defendant's flight risk or danger to the public. mr. molinaro: i think the judiciary has to have a degree of discretion to ensure people who pose a risk don't end up on the streets which is a major concern across the state, one of the reasons that i think law enforcement has a real concern about this governor's parole board and his willingness to pardon the most violent offenders in our society. in fact, when he should have spoken up about an individual who killed a cop, he chose not to. he pardoned that individual. but marcia, in my county, what i believe needs to consider statewide, we have to invest effectively in the appropriate representation, the time of arraignment and throughout the judicial process and make sure individuals tracked in the criminal justice system have a support structure to find their way back to society and not return to jail. we do that in my county. over the course of the last eight years, this governor has forced more burden on to local
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jails across the state of new york forcing them to grow their population. that's not a way to reform the criminal justice system. marcia: governor, you get 30 gov. cuomo: my opponent makes a factual statement it's by mistake. i did disagree with the parole board's release of herman bell and he knows it. mr. molinaro: why did you pardon him? you gave him a conditional pardon. you wouldn't agree to meet with the victims' families. gov. cuomo: it's an independent board which you should know if you read the law. number two, the trump administration's point of view, anti-woman, anti-lgbtq and want to put more people in jail for lower level offense which is is what my opponent supports and that's the opposite direction. i have been closing prisons. we don't need to throw away young lives on low-level drug crimes. alternatives to incarceration, rehabilitation, and stop
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spending $50,000 a year on a will prison cell and get a person into a more productive circumstance. ad marcia thank you very much. rich? >> governor, your mass pardons of ex-cons has generated controversy because it restores their right to vote at the polls. some pardoned are sex offenders whose polling place is a school. this san jose this -- should this program be reexamined and should people convicted of sex offenses be allowed to vote only by absentee ballot? gov. cuomo: these are people who have served their time and have been released. we're trying to reintegrate them into society and we spend a lot of money trying to reintegrate people into society so they don't commit another crime and there's not more recidivism. giving them the right to vote after they have done their time and paid their price to society is a way of reintegrating them. sex offenders can only vote in a
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supervised situation and i would be against allowing a sex offender to go anywhere near a situation where there are children. mr. molinaro: except you allowed exactly that to happen. 24,000 individuals, conditional pardon, many of which were sex offenders, rapists, murderers, you not only allowed them to vote but encouraged and instructed the probation department to register to vote and instruct them if they vote in schools they can vote after 7:00 p.m. gov. cuomo: without children there. mr. molinaro: there are no children in school after-hours? when's the last time you took your kids to school? my kids are in school after hours all the time. but, sir, you allowed that to happen and it shouldn't have happened. when i'm governor of the state of new york, if you kill a cop, you do not return to society. if you are a sex offender, you do not get to -- gov. cuomo: that's not the law. you don't run the parole board.
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it's an independent entity. are you going to interfere with an independent entity? mr. molinaro: current law says if you kill a cop, you do not return to society. there is a slice of individuals that you -- gov. cuomo: going back to the death isn't if you kill them, they won't return to society, you're right. mr. molinaro: you pardoned 24,000 individuals and allowed them the right to vote and it shouldn't have happened. gov. cuomo: after they -- mr. molinaro: they were on parole when you pardoned them. gov. cuomo: after they did their time, trying to reintegrate them. how do you reintegrate somebody if you don't let them growth or do you want the recidivism cycle? mr. molinaro: you allowed 24,000 people a pardon and many were sex offenders. you should have gone to the legislature. is there no law you're not willing to bend or break? gov. cuomo: go to the legislature when? like when you there were and you took $70,000 in expenses, almost double your salary, one of the highest people taking per diems
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go to you and the legislature? , no, thank you. mr. molinaro: you have raised $101 million dollars. marcia: we're going to ring the bell and take a time-out. gov. cuomo: take $70,000 in per diem, mr. fiscal conservative? you say one thing, do another. marcia: mr. molinaro, the cost of healthcare is out of control. would you support a single payer health plan, some call medicare for all, knowing it could double the state budget of $168 billion requiring massive tax hikes. can new york afford this program? mr. molinaro: new york cannot afford this rogue rim, -- this program, not to mention the state of new york has a hard enough time getting the trains to run effectively in the city. to put the governor or state government in charge of healthcare would be frightening. in this case, the governor's already begun to auction off sections of healthcare. in the case of crystal run, a private healthcare provider in the hudson valley, the state of new york, after private meetings with their senior officers,
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dedicated $25 million of taxpayer support in exchange for thousands of dollars of political contributions. we have seen a broken system and i am not willing to allow that to be corrupted and certainly new yorkers cannot afford doubling their personal income tax to support a system that is not sustainable. marcia: you have 30 seconds. gov. cuomo: let me tell you why my opponent wouldn't answer the question. he's with mr. trump. there should only be healthcare for rich people. he voted against the healthcare exchange when he was in new york state legislature which ensures four million new yorkers. donald trump just said he wants to allow the disallowance of pre-existing conditions and end the funding for the affordable care act under obama. they think if you're rich, you should be able to have healthcare. if you're poor, good luck. don't get sick. marcia: your time is up. rich?
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mr. molinaro: i'd like 15 seconds. marcia: you have it. mr. molinaro: i grew up oni would like 15 seconds. i grew up on food stamps, sir. i remember oh exactly what it is like and i've seen your government to de-humanize people waiting for health care all over the state of new york. absolutely committed to not only supporting that population but expanding services and i always have. gov. cuomo: you would expand medicaid? mr. molinaro: i will do more to ensure -- gov. cuomo: you would expand medicaid? i'm going to write that down, that is news. mr. molinaro: i would absolutely do more to ensure that the system would help assist those who struggle and those -- i worked hard to get to this place. heroine is killing people throughout the state, do you support opening safe needle injection sites, where addicts can be approached for help?
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do you have any other bold ideas to address the opioid cricsis? gov. cuomo: yes, we do have new ideas to address the opioid crisis. it is comprehensive. it is part of what mr. molinaro was talking about before. it is a mental health issue as well the substance abuse issue. sometime they are behavioral -- sometimes they are behavioral issues. people are coming into emergency rooms, they are doing the determinations in emergency room's depending on where you go and what referral you get. the safe injection sites are something that i think we should look at. they are very controversial and very complicated. the federal government is decidedly against them and could close them down, but it is something we have the department of health working on in concert with new york city. mr. molinaro: absolutely not. we cannot give up on individual lives. opioids addiction is a public
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health crisis of our lifetime. we are losing so many people. as a state we ought to ensure that we train law enforcement to respond effectively, ensuring that we have mental health services for folks all across the state of new york -- every county needs the ability to provide a mobile intervention team, stable recovery centers of -- centers so that folks have the support they need. but we have to have an open conversation about the struggle that so many addicts have. that means recovery coaches, training and enhancing the tools and resources for families so that they know that we are on their side. we have to break through to address the stigma and provide the health of people are sure going so hard to deserve. marcia: there is another drug question. soon, new york will be surrounded by states that are legalizing recreational marijuana. our state has some of the most restrictive laws on medical marijuana, why isn't new york
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more progressive on the use of medical marijuana? gov. cuomo: medical marijuana, we are now. we are not, for years. mr. molinaro opposed it. many members of the legislature stopped it for many years. that is why we did not do it earlier because my opponent voted against it as well as others. we now have medical marijuana and i believe it has helped many, many people. the next question you are asking is legalizing overall recreational marijuana because it is supposed -- marcia: i wonder why you do not ease up on the medical marijuana issues for the people who need it that can get it, the people who want to have edibles can get it now before you legalize. gov. cuomo: you should ask my
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opponent why he opposed it. it is medical marijuana, it is not to sell on the streets. mr. molinaro: i absolutely support the expansion of medical marijuana so that patients that need access -- gov. cuomo: you did not vote against it? mr. molinaro: i have been in the state legislature for decades. in 2018, i support the extension of access for medical purposes. excuse me, sir. gov. cuomo: did you support medical marijuana when you are in the legislature? mr. molinaro: i absolutely support the expanse of medical marijuana for those who need it. but only five months ago, the governor actually had the same position i do on legalization but in the midst of the democratic primary decided to have the new york's department of health change its position. we don't make this on expedients. marcia: time is up.
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gov. cuomo: it is not visible. mr. molinaro: it is truthful. gov. cuomo: he did not support it. mr. molinaro: i support the expansion of medical marijuana today. but you did it when you're in the legislature which , was my point, but you said no, which is a lie. mr. molinaro: i didn't. gov. cuomo: i did not have the health department change their opinion. mr. molinaro: you did. gov. cuomo: i asked for a study and they came up with a study. mr. molinaro: and they rushed it. gov. cuomo: truth matters. it does. >rich: education is critical toa democratic process and a growing economy. what solutions would you offer to troubled school districts like hempstead, rhode -- long island, where the high school graduation rate is revealed as a dismal 37%? mr. molinaro: education
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statewide is so dictated from albany down, school district's and teachers do not have the latitude to establish outcomes and achieve success. i believe in devolving to that school district, parents, and teachers have the relationships necessary, and then create a curriculum that gets kids inspired to learn, and that includes investing in vocational and technical training. also it means reviewing our , financial structure, so we do not continue to see failing schools not get the resources they need. our education system was once great when there was a symbiotic relationship between family, community, business, and education. we need to ensure educational outcomes are aligned with educational needs and goals. general ed and special ed. the state has perpetuated on learning goals. general ed and special ed. i believe in integrating that,
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because those was that elemental disability -- with developmental disabilities are being left behind. that is a way to reinvigorate and inspire kids to learn. marcia: governor, i expect you have a little bit of rebuttal because you have been taking notes. 30 seconds. gov. cuomo: it is nice to speak in flowery language, but the truth is, the extreme conservative wing that mr. trump and mr. molinaro represents and excludes everyone. they are anti-women and anti-lgbt to. they would put women in shackles. mr. molinaro: untrue, sir. that is untrue. gov. cuomo: can i finish? mr. molinaro: no, you cannot. you have interrupted me every time i've spoken, sir. gov. cuomo: the trump administration has not been providing assistance they need for education. we have a terrible education equity gap.
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we have one level of funding in poorer districts, and that is not what new york is all about. on the question of shackles there was no question of , shackles. there was a bill that you voted for that said female inmates should be shackled to a gurney during childbirth. mr. molinaro: there were significant concerns regarding individual safety. i find it highly, highly hypocritical of you to lecture me about women's issues. with all due respect, when women spoke up in your minister h and -- administration and when they were being harassed a senior staff, what did this administration do? they dismissed one and had halter one assigned to a closet. when it was being crafted for legislation, you about only one female to be a part of the conversation and sat shoulder to shoulder with people like jeff klein and peter lopez. when victims ask for public hearings, you said there was no
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need. albany is a cesspool of bad behavior. when i am governor, there is going to be more than just hearings, we are going to enforce the loss of that men do not prey on women. gov. cuomo: you voted for a bill that shackled a woman to a gurney during childbirth. what kind of person would do that? this extreme conservative divisive cancer that you brought to this state with washington that she put her children engages in washington, and you shackle women to gurneys, we're not going to let that happen. marcia: we're going to move on. gov. cuomo: disrespectful to women, it is disgusting to the values of this country to have a president take babies out of the arms of mothers and put them in cages and shackle women -- where do you think you want to take this country? 1997, anaro: in four-year-old girl and her
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mother were raped in my hometown . that has seared my memory. gov. cuomo: do you want to shackle women? mr. molinaro: i do not. gov. cuomo: why did you vote for the bill? mr. molinaro: i do not, sir. governor patterson address the same to ensure that those women that are violent -- gov. cuomo: that is a lie. mr. molinaro: it is not alive. gov. cuomo: you are one of 20 out of 200. that is what you call extreme, my friend. in your own party. marcia: we are going to move on. the mayor de blasio has been dragging his feet in approving charter schools. do you believe in charter school and how would you get the mayor to increase the charter schools? mr. molinaro: i will sit down and we will have a bottle of wine. marcia: you are going to break bread and have wine. gov. cuomo: we're going to have
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a bottle of wine. you are going to break bread and have wine? gov. cuomo: a plate of pasta, a bottle of wine, we are going to talk about it. marcia: do you believe in charter schools? gov. cuomo: everything is lovey-dovey. i support charter schools and support choice in education. i support public education and public charter schools because we need choice. but primarily, 90% of our -- 98% of our children go to public schools. that is where we need funding -- marcia: do you think there should be more charter schools? mr. molinaro: i support them and i support choice here and i support ensuring our education produces real outcomes. what we have seen in upstate new york and across much of the state is the deterioration of an education system because it was handcuffed by bureaucracy. we have to work together to your freedom and latitude at the local levers so teachers can
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teach and students have opportunities to learn. it means ripping out common core and focusing effectively at setting standards of the local level, tying educational outcomes with economic needs, and ensuring we reinvest in special education. marcia: the next question is from rich. this is for both of you. politics today echo with insults, accusations, and the disrespect. even knowing that going negative is often successful, do you ever feel a needed to elevate the conversation or do nice guys finish last? marcia: mr. molinaro, why don't you go first. mr. molinaro: i was elected first office at 19. i served in a small village in upstate new york where you run without party affiliation and spent every day of my life trying to get people to work together to solve problems. as governor, i want to ensure that we tone down the rhetoric, we stop the escalation of hate and anger, and we do more to bring people together to solve the important problems.
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that means collaborating, it means ending the bullying and threatening and the dismissing of those with whom we might disagree. that is what i think leaders do. as governor, i'm going to lift us up to confront the challenges by toning it down and working across party lines. anybody who has a stake in the game should have an opportunity to set a table. the governor said if you were too far right of center, you have no place in new york. i would say if you are too far left of center, you have every place in new york. we put aside our differences to solve problems we can , overcome any challenges. this is the greatest day in the greatest nation. gov. cuomo: i think those are beautiful, flowery words. i think it is the exact opposite of everything that he represents and trump represents. mr. molinaro: that is untrue. didn't come to my bachelor party, i came to yours.
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gov. cuomo: i do not support them politically, you do. there are no nice words to take care of this. he voted five times against equal pay for a woman. he voted to put a woman in shackles. he voted nine times against members of the lgbtq community. he voted three times against marriage equality. they want to end health care for poor people. mr. molinaro: that is untrue. you are assigning gov. cuomo: let me finish. mr. molinaro: when are you going to stop lying? gov. cuomo: you are not putting children in cages? mr. molinaro: i am not and i never would. gov. cuomo: and trump wouldn't? gov. cuomo: may i finish? you have a program where it will hurt economic viability with this states with salt which is to raise taxes 30%.
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my fiscal conservative friends, raising taxes 30%. rich, i am here to fight for new yorkers. their rights are being abused and this is a divisive cancer that these people have brought. we have to win november 6. it is not just democrats, you will see a lot of moderates come out and say i do not want this hate, anger, division. marcia: governor, we are going to give mr. molinaro 15 seconds. mr. molinaro: you have sought to escalate it. it is so dishonest and excellently shameful. describe no words to how -- gov. cuomo: you supported trump. marcia: we're going to move on. we are moving on.
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gov. cuomo: this was your decision. president trump wants to change the definition of trans-genders to roll back protections. he wants to identify people's sex by the genitalia they are born with. do support that or not? mr. molinaro: i do not support rolling back protections regardless of gender expression. with all due respect to the governor my position on same-sex , marriage was the same as hillary clinton and barack obama's at the time. the day it became law was the day i celebrated it as a civil right. as the governor of the state of new york, i will absolutely protect the rights and freedoms of new yorkers. it is my job and the job of the governor to enforce it. do you support roe versus wade? mr. molinaro: it is settled law. it is settled law
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in the state of new york and i will defend it. but it is entirely hypocritical for the governor to suggest what he is suggesting. i will defend the law. this governor has allowed individuals and his own administration to bend the rules. even the smallest things. he had the department of transportation employees handing out literature at a parade when you want to make sure i love new york signs -- he bent the rules to allow things to happen. marcia: 15 seconds. gov. cuomo: first of all, you are wrong when you say roe v. wade is settled law. kavanaugh said it is not settled law. the supreme court could change it in new york. mr. molinaro: it is settled law in the state. marcia: your 15 seconds are up, governor. we are moving on. gov. cuomo: you did the same thing that trump did when you
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voted against transgender people. that is what trump did. rich: you reportedly would like to say the buffalo bills are the only true new york pro football team, is that accurate? gov. cuomo: never, never never , said that. rich: you said the giants and jets will crucify me. gov. cuomo: i ask people, what is the only your team that plays in new york? buffalo bills. rich: for the past 46 years, the bills of them playing the home games in the same stadium. no question that they will need a new stadium and it will cost over a billion dollars. should new york state pay for the stadium or let the county and the team owner put the bill? gov. cuomo: i am not at the new stadium point yet. gov. cuomo: we worked very hard to keep the bills. we worked very hard to keep them. migration was a very big problem
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and the buffalo was the epicenter of it. we have turned it around. the population in buffalo went up, young people living in buffalo is up, homes are down, unemployment is down. keeping the buffalo bills there is very important, and we work very hard. the owner passed away, it was bought, we invested in the stadium, it is about 1600 jobs to keep the bills. i love the bills, but i am not at a new stadium. marcia: you have 15 seconds. mr. molinaro: i don't want anything to think i don't support the bills. i'm not ready to embrace a new stadium, but your policies have hollowed out upstate new york. every other state in america -- it leads the nation despite only the state of alaska that outpaces us, but there are whole communities being hollowed out because the economic development policies that you have embraced have produced more indictments than real jobs. marcia: we are going to our
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lightning round, running out of time. gov. cuomo: there are more jobs in new york than ever. mr. molinaro: 70% of those jobs -- marcia: do not make me beat you up. [laughter] mr. molinaro: 70% have been down because a decrease in population upstate, we have less people and less unemployment. out.a: time is running we are going to call our lightning round or short answers. gov. cuomo: short answers, we are good at that. marcia: if you won a lottery what would you buy? gov. cuomo: first thing i would buy? a trust fund for my kids. mr. molinaro: toward my children posing education. marcia: upstate or downstate? mr. molinaro: where upstate meet downstate. marcia: how about you gov.?
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if and when you deliver the state of the state message, what would be your ideal room temperature? gov. cuomo: 69 degrees. marcia: how about you? mr. molinaro: 68 degrees, and in the assembly chambers. gov. cuomo: with the legislator. marcia: you say you are a sausage aficionado, what do you like? gov. cuomo: i like your keilbasa, but i do prefer italian sausage and i prefer my grandmother. marcia: you sir? mr. molinaro: sausage question, i was loved my grandmother's italian sausage. marcia: what song personifies you or your campaign and can you sing? gov. cuomo: empire state of mind. i am not singing. marcia: you can do it. gov. cuomo: in the shower. marcia: mr. molinaro? mr. molinaro: don't stop believe
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in'but i am not singing. i do not want to sing. marcia: can't i get you to sing a few bars of empire state of mind? gov. cuomo: campaign killer. marcia: we are done. thank you for a very, very spirited debate. a reminder, election day is november 6. tuesday, for more information go to cbsnewyork.com. thank your joining us for a spirited debate. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> more campaign debates on monday is bernie sanders races his opponent. watch live beginning at noon on c-span. in the house race for kentucky's
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district, the incumbent challenges amy mcgrath here to live from lexington monday. you can watch both debate on our website or use the radio app next week on "washington journal," we are looking at battleground states, the most competitive races of the midterm in minnesota, new york, california, pennsylvania, and florida. join us for a live campaign 2018 call-in during "washington journal" at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. we stay in new york for the next debate between the candidates in the state's 19th congressional district, between incumbent republican john faso and
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democrat antonio delgado. the district is located in the eastern part of new york. campaignies' committees have targeted this race. it is rated tossup by the cook political report. >> winner of a new york state emmy for best political program, this is a new york now special edition. the 19th congressional district debate. ♪ >> welcome to the special edition of new york now. i am matt ryan. tonight's debate is brought to you by wmht-tv and the times union. we want to welcome our viewers in the greater capital region and the hudson valley as well as those of you tuning in on ws -- wskg. thank you for joining us. without further ado, it is time to welcome our candidates.
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it's ok to applaud. this one time. [applause] we have asked audience members to refrain from clapping from now on so we can hear as much as possible. i will be your moderator. i am joined tonight by three of the best journalists in the capital region. starting off, from the times union, political reporter david lombardo. is a familiar face to those new york now viewers, karen dewitt. and finally, my cohost, casey siler, who is also the senior editor for news at the times union. he will be monitoring questions on social media. if you want to have a chance to have an active role in the debate, here is your chance. if you want to ask the candidate's something, you can do so by logging onto our facebook account. just like us and ask away. york19 one #new
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twitter. each candidate will be given one minute for their opening statement. after that, we will begin the formal questioning. each candidate will have 90 seconds to answer while the other can offer up to a 45-second rebuttal. if a panelist believes they need clarification, they can ask a follow-up question and a person will have 30 seconds to clarify. before the debate, we flipped a coin to determine the order for opening and closing statements. up first is mr. john faso.

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