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would also be naive to not realize that they could be trying to overrule the will of the voters of florida. tonight, i'm asking the florida department of law enforcement to investigate this immediately and i'm considering every single legal option available. group of liberal activists or lawyers from washington, d.c., will be allowed to steal this election from the voters of this great state. i am proud to be the next senator from the great state of florida and look forward to going up there and making washington work for all americans. thank you. as your primary source for campaign 2018, we brought you candidate debates in the most competitive races. only on c-span hear it over 160 races from across the country. the voters have now decided on a new congress with more leaders. watch the process unfold on c-span.
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>> we are back joined by david hawkings contributor of cq roll call, senior editor and francine kiefer, correspondent with christian science monitor. let me begin with you, the significant of the democrats taking back control of the house? francine kiefer: it's hugely significant, a check on the trump administration, that is probably most important aspect of dems taking over the house. they will, i'm sure, use their investigative powers. that is probably going to begin starting with yesterday's news development of the resignation or forced resignation of attorney general jeff sessions and use for messages for 2020. they'll have to show they need to govern and they will try some bipartisan efforts with the president and republicans and whether that will work, i have no idea. host: david hawkings, lessons learned from previous year? david hawkings: sometimes they are productive, genuinely true
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after the first divided congress -- well, divided congress, divided government can sometimes produce things. sometimes divided congresses can produce things if there is political will, where both sides, republicans and democrats, conclude that voters want some sort of governance to run on the next time. i don't think that is what we're going to have in the next two years on all, but a handful of issues. there are a few things president talked about most of them yesterday, talked about reduction in prescription drugs, talk about the president's infrastructure package, trillion dollars in public works spending, which sounds like a democratic thing, the republicans also agree that if there can be some public-private partnership, the country needs newer roads and bridges, there is talk about regulating social media, a little bit of that, middle class tax cut, a few things both sides could want to do, but there, of course, is audiences probably watching,
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lots of impediments already. host: they will be led in the house by nancy pelosi. francine kiefer, does she become the next speaker of the house in january? francine kiefer: it is highly likely she will be the next speaker. there is a group of democrats that said never pelosi and who campaigned on not supporting her, but who is the other possibility? there is no other possibility. no one has raised their hand so far. as she says, she's got the chops, she's got the experience. she's supported so many of these incoming members of congress and they owe her because she's helped them and just delivered the house to them. so she's been speaker already, she already knows how to negotiate with president trump, i can't really imagine that she's not going to be the next speaker. host: let's listen to what she had to say when asked why she should be speaker at yesterday news conference.
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representative pelosi: i heard the president say i deserve to be the speaker. i don't think anybody deserves anything. it is not about what you have done, it is about what you can do. what you have done in the past speak to credentials, it is about what you can do, i think i am the best person to go forward to unify, to negotiate and i'm a good negotiator, as anyone can see in terms of how we have won every negotiation so far. the only one we didn't win, it wasn't negotiation, was the g.o.p. tax scam, dark of knight and speed of light, i said earlier. i think my case is about being the best person for how we go forward and i will not answer any more questions on that subject. we saw something this morning that challenges the conscious of our country, saw something this morning that shows
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differentiation and respect for diversity of our country. we have to try to bridge that gap, to bring people together and that, i think, i can do a good job at that. i will not spend, i'd rather answer questions about policy and the rest. the record will speak for itself. host: david hawkings, i'm not going to answer any more questions on that. david hawkings: that is interesting, that was before he put out the statement, she wrote a letter to her colleagues that went out saying she was running. what i think, here is how i would handicap this, one thing mrs. pelosi says, when asked about her background, she's famously the daughter of a former mayor of baltimore, the sister of former mayor of baltimore, what did she learn about politics? i learned how to count. i firmly believe that she has counted, she knows every new member of the democratic caucus and where they stand on her well enough to declare candidacy, she
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thought she would have trouble winning another term as speaker, she wouldn't be running. i think her announcing she will run, means she is confident she will win. famously two years ago, predicted with precision how many members of her own caucus would vote against her. she said two-thirds of the caucus vote, that is precisely what she got. host: francine kiefer, could could a challenge, and from whom? francine kiefer: there, several that could run, no one has announced yet. the question is, will any of them step up, even right now, with as david was saying, she seems to be very confident about locking it down. so the last time she was challenged, it came from representative tim ryan, from ohio. however, he has very specifically said he's not planning on challenging her right now. so okay, that doesn't make it
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sound very exciting for the next person. host: why not from a younger democrat, people like linda santos, who said we need change of leadership. david hawkings: difficult to mount that challenge after a victory in which she is undeniably can take credit. she raised, she is -- a fundraiser, raised millions for the party, even raised money for the candidates who said they didn't think she was the best choice to be the next speaker. that didn't seem to bother her. i think was been from bardi, the famous green bay packers coach reset just win baby. that seems to be nancy pelosi's motto, i will win now and figure this out later. it is also the case, being elected speaker in january, as
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john boehner showed us, doesn't mean she will be speaker for the full two years. there is an enormous amount of pent-up ambition among the younger generation of would-be house leaders and their ambitions are not -- they can be checked only for so long. she has been at this for a long time, leader of the house democrats for 15 years, longer than all but one other person, famous sam rayburn, leader of the house caucus for a little bit longer. at some point, she'll have to get off this treadmill. francine kiefer: she recognizes that. she has recognized that and said she would be a bridge speaker or transitional speaker, how long that will last is not clear, whether the full two years until 2020 or whether it will be less
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than that. it is kind of hard for me to imagine that she would step back in the middle of an election year. so i would think she would go up to 2020, to the next election, i don't know. host: interesting to see what the viewers have to say. i want to invite them into the conversation. voters were asked, who at the polling stations on tuesday, their opinion of nancy pelosi, according to exit polls. 31% said they had a favorable view of her and of those 89% were democrats, 10% republican. 56% of those asked said they had unfavorable view and 75% of those were republicans. 24% were democrats. what does that say to you? guest: that is before they won. i wonder if you ask those people now what they would say.
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it says to me the republican efforts to demonize nancy pelosi -- there are countless ads of faces morphing into nancy pelosi -- they were worried that could drive them down. it clearly didn't work, it worked in a few districts. there were districts where republicans won. it also says there is an anti-incumbent, anti-washington sentiment. nancy pelosi has been at this for a political eternity. host: memphis, tennessee, a democrat. caller: good morning. i love nancy pelosi. the republicans try to demonize her. she is the best person for the job. have a nice day.
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caller: hello. how are you doing? host: good morning. caller: morning. i think she is the best person for the job. her resume, nobody can compete with her resume. the only thing it is, she is used to doing this. this is what she does. if you bring an inexperienced person in, they will run all over them. host: ok. let me ask the two of you this. what is the job going to entail over the next two years? the push and pull she will feel from outside groups, tom stier, for example, behind the impeach trump movement, and inside the congress. guest: you just mentioned
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outside groups. the greatest pressure will come on the impeachment question. she has been trying to push back on that. emblazoned in her memory is the impeachment effort against bill clinton and how it backfired on the republicans. she does not want to be in that same position. you have these hot to trot democrats who want that and they will be putting the screws on her about that. the other problem is negotiating with donald trump. he is so variable, says one thing one minute, the next thing the next. she and chuck schumer feel like they went in last year and tried to negotiate on dreamers. lo and behold, they did not have a deal on dreamers. that will be a tricky aspect of her child, negotiating with the
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white house. guest: there is another constituency. 38 people thinking of running for the democratic nomination. or being talked about. >> in 2020. guest: just around the corner. started yesterday, officially. that is an enormous list. she becomes the nominal leader of the democratic party in the united states. she is now second in line after the vice president to the presidency. she is the leader of the democratic party. she will have to keep those people in line. she is good at keeping people seemingly unified. many of the people who won our suburban centrists who won in previously trump-friendly neighborhoods.
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they will not want to make this the impeachment congress, but there are urban, liberals, who want to make it the impeachment congress. my guess is she will want to go slow and do lots of investigations, and she will want to wait until robert mueller is free and clear to deliver a clear roadmap for her as to what she should do on the i-word question. host: president trump tweeted this. if the democrats think they will waste taxpayer money investigating us, we will likewise be forced to consider investigating them for all the leaks of information and much else. >> i was actually confused about investigating democrats of the senate level. it seemed to be more that he would try and go through his own and put them on
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them. at the executive level investigation, i am not sure how the senate would investigate house democrats. host: on the house side, this is the wall street journal this morning. maxine waters takes over the finance committee. jerry nadler for judiciary. elijah cummings on the oversight and government reform committee. john yarmuth for the budget committee. guest: it is an interesting list. they know what they are doing. they are all veterans. the democrats, unlike the republicans who don't rely on seniority, we know who these people will be because the democrats have a reference for seniority. some of those people, jerry nadler comes to mind, the judiciary committee would tackle
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the impeachment issue, if it comes to that. he will have pressure back home. just the way of the republican chairman had pressure on their right flank. jerry nadler represents a liberal part of new york city. if he does not draw blood from donald trump in some way, there will be liberals wanting to take him on in a primary in two years. mr. neil was challenged on his left. he survived a primary challenge easily. he is the one who would be the likeliest to move first to get the president's tax returns. he has unilateral power to issue a subpoena. one thing the republicans did is change the house rules to give these chairman essentially unilateral power to issue subpoenas. they don't have to go through the formality of a committee vote. there are provisions that could allow a vote to make those tax
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returns public. host: going back to nancy pelosi's leadership, yesterday -- on election day, we had a caller saying he voted. he is an independent. he voted straight democrat because he wants the democrats to hold the president accountable, but does not want them to go too far. guest: that will be a tricky balancing act. some of this will be more under the radar. you will hear headlines about how democrats send letters to the administration, the way they already have on the jeff sessions situation. you will hear headlines about them asking to preserve all documents. that is the first step of an investigation, but that can bump along low profile for a while, then gets more high profile when you get hearings. if you don't get cooperation
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from the administration, then you go into subpoena mode. it depends on what level democrats keep this at, enough to show they are doing something, but as you were saying, david, it is a tricky balancing act. guest: the democratic talking point, i think i have heard of three or four times in the last day, his we can hold these oversight hearings. it is not just about the president and his behavior. there are other aspects of the government that the oversight muscle of the congress, which is at the core of the legislative branches powers, to legislate and oversee the administration of the laws, they let that atrophy the last two years. there is plenty of things not to do with the president and russia and tax returns, there are other aspects that merit oversight. the democrats need to show they can do that and try and engage the president and senate republicans in serious policy
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negotiations. host: let's go to jason in california, republican. jason, good morning to you in gilroy, california. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. your question or comment. caller: so, i am proud to be an american. host: all right. isaac in baltimore, independent. caller: good morning. how are you? i do have a comment and a question. my comment is i do believe is she is a great speaker. we would not have the up portable -- the affordable care act was not for her. i am very proud of her. unfortunately we have a different administration in office which requires a new type of leadership on the democratic side to stand up to the trump administration.
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we have to find some way to get back to civility, normality, and just truth among simple things. yesterday, the press secretary lied to the american public. she posted a doctored video accusing a cnn reporter of laying hands on a press representative. anybody who saw that, saw that didn't happen. we need a leader in the house that can save these are the facts. this is the truth. we are going to stand for the vice the country was built on and we will not let you manipulate us. guest: the caller is from baltimore? one of the people being talked about in this next generation of leaders is not a younger person, but could be a bridge to a new generation of leaders, elijah cummings.
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he is going to be the new chairman of the house government oversight committee. he is a forceful voice, a serious guy, an african-american member, which is important because the congressional black caucus has been quite forceful in saying there needs to be an african-american lawmaker in the top echelons of the democratic leadership. right now, the number three leader for the house democrats, jim clyburn of south carolina, is the highest-ranking african-american. they want somebody who is number one or two. host: this is the headline in the washington post. here is the quote. elijah cummings will become trump's worst nightmare and i hate it when i hear that. it is not about elijah cummings, it is about elijah cummings simply trying to do his job. guest: that's what mr. cummings himself says.
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fair enough. as i say, i want to make this point, this kind of routine oversight, the congress is supposed to look at how programs are being administered. is the money being spent wisely? fraud, and abuse? are administration officials facing ethical lapses? is our travel budget too much? these questions need to be facing ethical lapses? posed of any administration and really, the republicans, it is the first twon years of the trump administration did almost none of that. host: we have not talked about the republican leadership. they also will be a force that nancy pelosi has to reckon with as well. leader, who isy in the contest for that slot? guest: that is a competition
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between two people who are well known in the conference. you have kevin mccarthy, who was the majority leader and now he wants to become the minority leader. then you have competing with him, jim jordan from ohio, who is far on the right, was one of the founders of the house freedom caucus which was a successor to the tea party, and has been a burr in the saddle of republicans basically since he got there. i would put my money on kevin mccarthy. he is very much plugged in as a people person, with the republican conference. he is the kind of guy that does bike riding with fellow members in his congress -- conference. he is a slap on the back kind of guy. he engineered the rise of
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conservative publicans with paul ryan and the group called young guns 10 years ago. he is very close with the president and calls him practically daily. jim jordan has his following among conservatives and he is also really popular with the president. they too have a very close relationship, but because of this schism within the republican party and the intransigence the house freedom caucus has shown that there will not be enough support for jim jordan. guest: the freedom caucus' ability to influence things in the minority as far reduced been in the majority. when they were a segment of 10% to 15% of the majority and could say, we will not go along with that, they could deny the majority the votes they need. now the republicans are in the minority. , we is their power to say
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will not work with the democrats? it is hard for me to see what their force is going forward. it is also, without getting too the way you get elected speaker is fundamentally different the way you -- than the way you get elected minority leader. to have the entire majority of the house of representatives voting for you so that means you have to get on most every vote. mccarthy was having a hard time putting that together because of the freedom caucus. to get elected as minority leader, you need a majority of your own caucus voting for you and i think kevin mccarthy has that locked up. guest: the balance of power, there are some house races that of not been called. some others have it up to 200. and that would leave a dozen
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races to be called. let's say you split those and 228-205, there have been more narrowly controlled minorities. the republicans in the early 2000's were even below that. that is what, about 52%? this is not an overwhelmingly democratic house by any means, but because of the way the house works, different from the senate , that 200 eighteenths vote is vote iserent -- 218th the difference. you get two thirds of the committee budgets. it is a magical moment when you seats.0 18 seats -- 218 host: is there the equivalent of the freedom caucus on the democrat side? guest: i am not quite sure what kind of power they will have or
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how divisive that will be. so much was made of this schism within the democratic party before the election. we had the self-proclaimed democratic socialists rise up out of new york and knock off one of the house leaders in her primary. we have the bernie wing and the hillary clinton wing. look who got elected in the cycle. it was more pragmatic democrats. the actual numbers of those on the far left is pretty small. you have pragmatists like abigail sandberg are who knocked off dave brat, one of the house freedom caucus members. that was a steep climb. she has said, i am willing to work with republicans, i am willing to work across the aisle.
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you have a lot of them that got elected. i am not quite sure that this schism will be as much of a problem. i think the bigger problem will be coming from outside activist groups. guest: i agree. host: david in beachwood, ohio, democrat. caller: i have a question about remembering john boehner and how he handled the herding of cats in the house. see particularly one or the other of their perspective speakers, either minority or adept moreader, as so than john boehner, given all the pragmatism ramp it -- rampant in the new congress? guest: i would say if you were trying to assess mrs. pelosi, her ability to hold her caucus together has been in the past pretty impressive.
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and theyears ago now obama administration was new and the democratic majority was stronger and more ideologically diverse than it is now, now the two wings are there really liberal progressives and the centerleft mainstreamers. 10 years ago there was a third wing, the so-called blue dogs, some of whom were more fiscally conservative than liberal republicans. mrs. pelosi did a pretty amazing job holding those folks together. she had an inordinate us near your memory -- enormous near to create a carbon tax. she is a good unifier. it is also the case that the democratic caucus does not have in the sense of the freedom caucus, people willing to throw
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a wrench into the whole thing and say heck, no, we will not help you. while such a thing emerge now? i tend to doubt it. host: joan in rockford, illinois , republican. caller: congratulations to democrats in high positions. it shows hard work. is, istion -- my comment would like to see what cummings does when all these papers come out from the fbi, come to the light of day, and how he deals with that dossier that was investigated all the way back to the kremlin. fair to theto be american people about that collusion as he was about the trump collusion.
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that is going to be interesting to see. thank you. host: david hawkings, any thoughts? guest: it will be interesting to see whether the dossier ever gets delivered to congress. i tend to think that is not the kind of thing back to the point i tried to make a minute ago, one thing democrats will try to do is first of all, they will not want to step on what robert mueller is doing. there is a potential for friction if congress starts its own parallel investigation. what has happened in the last 24 hours with the departure of attorneys -- attorney general jeff sessions, if that creates a constitutional crisis which the mueller investigation has bottled up, the house democrats would probably launch their own investigation. so long as the mueller investigation goes along, i think the democrats will focus
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investments,gs -- spending at the trump hotels by foreign governments, which may run afoul of the constitution, the business dealings of jared kushner and a ivanka trump, betsy devos and steve mnuchin and ryan zinke he, and questions about their ethics. other things that are not necessarily going to the dossier. guest: just really quickly, basically said, the democrats are going to choose to investigate different things than the republicans would choose to investigate. republicans would want to grab onto that dossier issue agape it all. -- issue like a pitbull. they simply will not investigate the same kinds of things that republicans were investigating. host: catherine in ohio, democrat. caller: good morning. i would tell you that this election, i voted a straight
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democrat ticket. i was once a republican but republicans left constitutional , and high moral standing, so i could no longer vote for them. they left me, i did not leave them. now i hope that the congress, that they stand strong and they , but they do it within constitutional law, rule of law, and high moral standard. we do not have that today because the republicans in the house and senate decided that they would go along with trump and his tactics, whatever they were. jump came out and said he grabbed women by the body parts, and not one republican outside of john kasich, the great governor of the great state of ohio, not one republican stood up for his wife, his mother, his daughter, his granddaughter, his
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--u -- aunt,t s his constituent, not one. they have left all of those behind for what i call a reprobate. book ofecond bus -- timothy, they said he is a reprobate. they left all of that for that man. i can understand leaving it for a good man, but they have left it for a terrible man. host: was that the moment that you say the republican party left you? when was it when they left you? caller: he said volcker things about women and they said nothing -- vulgar things about women and they said nothing. he said terrible things about black people and they said nothing. he said terrible things about women that are brown and they said nothing.
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when they put children in prison -- and i'm a sunday school teacher, in exodus, if you committed a crime of kidnapping they were supposed to paleo. l you. people who stand on christian standards go along with this man and have given him a mulligan. there was no such thing and the bible is a mulligan. host: david hawkings? guest: you are articulating frustrated -- has that republican -- frustrated republicans think. be watching for with the new republican leadership is how loyal they remain to president trump. some people have called what you described a faustian bargain. they were willing to forgive the president's personal limitations and rhetoric, or willing to be
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silent so long as the president would help them put more conservatives on the supreme court and on the lower courts and cut taxes and try to repeal obamacare. now the agenda will be different cannot workblicans together with the president to get the conservative agenda done. their willingness to be silent on his behavior, will it remain? guest: you know what i think will be interesting to watch? what will happen when mitt romney gets to the senate. he has been quite a staunch critic of the president in the past. is he going to be the new jeff flake, the conscience of the senate on the republican side, calling out the president? that will be an interesting thing to watch. host: jeff flake is hoping he is, or others. big question is whether we
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believe in anything that is in any way coherent against the current cult of the president's personality. there is only one real way forward. it has to start with republicans believing in something greater than president trump again. now is a good time to start. guest: that is jeff flake, who we talked about, the 2020 campaign for president on the democratic side. there will be 37 democrats running. there may well yet be a challenge to the president's renomination. thecaller mentioned governor of the great state of ohio, john kasich might be interested in doing that. i think there will be a more vocal, more volume underneath the ranks of the republicans who say it cannot be the trump party and has to be back to the republican party. said: the president
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yesterday that some of those house republicans lost their races because they did not embrace him. guest: that was a remarkable moment in american political history. i do not think a republican president -- a president of either party has publicly danced on the graves of defeated members of his own party in congress. it was something and showed you the president's tactic. giving either with me, me, i think he called it the embrace, or i will make your life miserable. host: william is in gainesville, texas, republican. caller: hello and good morning. host: good morning. caller: it is great to be alive. i am kind of happy with the election somewhat, because to me it means the government will stay out of the regular people's lives. i don't need the government to take care of me. i haven't ever taking care of
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me. they don't do nothing for me. do you want me to keep going? i have a whole list year. talk aboutants to trump but they do not look back at bill clinton and his tactics in the oval office. women, too. just like they want to gripe and complain about trump. that woman who talks about the bible, she is good. i am a sunday school teacher myself. i have been teaching my class, a bunch of youth that love me to ,eath and i love them as well that is where it comes from, from the heart. all these democrats want to do is say, tax the people, tax the people. what do people work for? they work to make money. that is the whole key. so many people are brainwashed. just like trump said, i do not
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watch cnn. host: he is happy because he does not think anything will happen in washington. will there be gridlock? guest: that is a pretty good guess. there are a few areas where they could cooperate. one is lowering the price of health care. probably william would think that might be a good idea. another might be infrastructure projects. the big problem there is finding the money to pay for infrastructure when we have trillion dollar deficits. i am not very hopeful about that one. and then i don't see much cooperation on any other areas. he talked about taxes. the president did mention this 10% middle-class tax cut. maybe they could come together on something like that, but there is no plan at all coming out of the white house. it is not like someone has been writing up legislation.
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i think william is on the ball that not much will come out of this congress. guest: when the president made his argument that it was a great victory for him tuesday night, he talked about how he was pretty happy to have the opportunity to work with the democrats. i think we should remember that the president -- how do we know him before his presidency? the art of the deal, a transactional business guy. -- hisis investigation feeling of, do not investigate me. he wants to get some things done. i am betting that something we have not even thought of will get done. host: let's listen to mitch mcconnell yesterday, his news conference laying out priorities for the divided congress. [video clip] >> we have to finish this session and we have to finish the foreign bill, finish funding the government.
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the one issue that leader pelosi and i discussed this morning where there could be a possible bipartisan agreement would be on infrastructure, but there will be other things. i am not putting you all down, but when we do things together it almost never makes news. even in this current situation where we have republican control of all three branches, i have a long list of things we did on a bipartisan basis from water infrastructure to best appropriations process in 20 years. infrastructure, fda authorization, on and on, there are plenty of things we work together on. i have to tell constituents who think we all hate each other that the senate is a pretty even though we, have obviously big differences of the things like taxes and judges.
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there were plenty of other things we did together and there's no reason that would stop now that the house becomes democratic. >> other than infrastructure, what did issues are there? >> we will see. that will all be discussed. host: francine kiefer. guest: the leader is right that what they do work on and passed together does not get much attention. i would say that is even more true in the past two years because the daily sunol me of tweets -- daily tsunami of tweets and headlines that consume everything as the water bill was getting to the senate, it is just not going to rise to the surface is often. when something like kavanaugh is happening. getting to the agenda that mitch budget -- mitch mcconnell talked about, he said his top priority was going to be confirming more
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judicial appointments. that is going to be his top priority and he does not need democrats to do that, and he will power through. that will be his top priority. jean int's go to spartanburg, south carolina, independent. caller: good morning. i voted for john kasich in the primary. i don't know what happened to that guy. that lady from ohio, she hit almost every box except the one that the democrats in washington had a huge walk away thing in washington. maybe she did not know about that. i kind of agree with this m.i.t. thingo put the obamacare across the goal line, because he said the only reason it was passed was because the american people were so uninformed they would just do it. i think what gives a new handle,
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ohey need to change the e t an i. host: nancy pelosi yesterday because won the house from the beginning we focused on health care. guest: the political landscape has totally switched. in 2010, republicans, the tea party came in on the anti-obamacare message. 2018, democrats came in on, they are going to take your health care away. we have save obamacare and stop them from taking that, and we have to improve. we have to lower the price of health care and prescription drugs. it is a completely different landscape because people have had insurance in the meantime. they have had troubles with it. a lot of people are unhappy with it. i know people personally, some
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who have done very well and others who have found the premiums way too expensive. it obviously needs fixing, and mcconnell said it needs fixing but if it is done it will be on a bipartisan basis. host: minority leader schumer and pelosi said yesterday said if republicans are with us on rejecting pre-existing conditions, they have to drop his lawsuit. they cannot say one thing and continue with the lawsuit. guest: that is probably a fair demand. one of the plaintiffs in the , theit is a senator elect attorney general of missouri. another plaintiff in the lawsuit was a nominee for the senate who lost, patrick morrissey. is ank this lawsuit predicate to any serious negotiations on fixing obamacare , this lawsuit will have to be meant to go away.
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host: sarah in texas, republican. caller: i have three things i would like to say. first of all, i think the democrats want to be in control. every time you see them on television, they want to say things about trump. president trump has done a lot of things for our country. he is an a politician, american person who feels for the people of america. we have done well these last two years. no matter what he does, i have never heard the news say anything good about what he does. so to me, yesterday when he said reporter, you know, he took control. it is time the president of the united states stood up and said, i am president, i am for america , and i do not have to put up with this. enough is enough.
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host: a, you know, he took control. manual in rockville -- emmanuel in rockville, maryland, independent. caller: the gentleman that said he was a schoolteacher in the last words that came out of his mouth were "i hate," i would hate for him to be my sunday school teacher. the problem is we do not have any unity in america now. 12 people dead in california, which is a shame. 12 people got killed a week or so ago in a synagogue. if we do not unify and bring love back to our country, we are heading for a civil war sure enough. leaders in congress on both sides of the aisle, the people out here do not have their representation for real. they are so concerned and consumed about destroying each other until they forget about the people out here in america. i really devastated to even listen sometimes to the news and
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to hear all the different things that these politicians are saying. we have to pay attention to what is going on in our world. we have such a divisive situation right now and i pray for our country. the: is this congress, 115th, different from previous congresses when it comes to the rhetoric? guest: it is more polarized. it is. i have been covering congress for a while, and there is a steady progression where things are getting more polarized and more angry and less patients -- patience. relatively recently, there was an ideological blend of republicans that were more liberal and conservative democrats, and there was an ideological common ground that does not exist anymore. people are hardened at the right or the left and do not spend much time together. it will be interesting to see if the democrats change this, but
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under republican scheduling in the senate, members would fly in on tuesday and out on thursday and cram their week in and spend all their extra time fundraising and not being with one another. members do not know one another. it is much easier to demonize the other side when you have no personal interaction with anybody on the other side. guest: it was interesting to have those colors back to back because in a way they had the back-- callers back to because in a way they had the same argument. the republican caller felt like she was not being heard by the democrats. great concern about the divide in america. it strikes me there is an opportunity, or could be an opportunity in 2020 four a healer type of candidate. that can gete like
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through the primary season to the more general message is a big question. you hear this complaint from both sides. host: fredericksburg, virginia, andrew, republican. caller: actually, i am an independent. i just want to make two quick comments. when it came to a lot of what the senate does together, a lot of that not coming forth into the media, you are saying the reason that happens is because of tweets and all the drama, that sort of thing. i would say that is more a result of the media itself being sensationalist. they want clicks and likes. they choose what they want to report on and they choose not to report on what the senate does together. they make the deliberate choice to choose to report the fact that trump misspelled "agreed."
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i forgot what my other comment was. guest: i think that is an absolutely fair point. media outletst are for-profit businesses. yes, we do want traffic to our websites and yes, we do want advertisers who will pay. toa result, we tend gravitate to the most sensational things. that is a fair point. it is also the case that the president wants attention. bill orwhen the water something else that congress is doing is the best thing they have got going, the president is pretty adept at saying or doing something to seize that attention. he understands how we work and we are trying to understand how he works. guest: i would say not all hope is lost as we have specialty publications like rollcall and other mainstream media. i would like to put in a plug
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for my own news organization, the christian science monitor. we are truly looking for what is working. a lot of the stories i concentrate on is where is the bike partisan action -- bipartisan action happening? it is not completely lost, your publication and mine. we try and wrist -- resist that trend. host: len in washington, a democrat. caller: this is len. the one thing i have to say is -- ifhis election elections keep going like they are, we are going to end up with a revolution. i did not get a vote for congress. i voted my district and they were both democrat. that is not right. i vote democrat and i do vote republican. i have been a democrat, but i like trump.
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i wanted to vote for a republican in the house because i like his ideas and i wanted to help him out. but i did not have a choice. we do not get a choice, plus we have illegal voting because the way the voting is in the state they get aon, when drivers license and do stuff like that, they cannot ask if they are illegal or legal. so if you are signed up, they send you a ballot and you can vote. that is getting to be all the states now. california and oregon are like that. all you guys ever talk about is the east coast. pretty rare you ever talk about washington or oregon. he talk about california quite a bit. this is getting bad because california, oregon, and washington all have this set up. it is not right where illegals
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are voting here. guest: the point that the caller made earlier on about not having a kd that would be hard if you are a republican, because you are a disappearing minority in california. like: len would probably living better in maine, where at least one congressional race has not been called. it is not because it is that close. it is because maine has this thing called ranked choice voting so it is difficult to tabulate when the voters can list their first, second, and third choices.
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a radical idea in the world of democracy. we will see how it works. host: sarah in winter, connecticut, independent. caller: good morning. i want to call in a talk about the shift from independent to democrat because my son and myself felt that is what we needed to do to support the nation right now, and that is the only way we can make a difference, and we stayed with an independent, that would -- the vote. i wanted to mention my senate is 21 years of age, and millennial and voted for the first time ever. 2016, but wen cannot rest on our laurels. we have to get the power back in government and stand for the
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values that are nation was built on. timeth voted for the first in the midterm elections. in connecticut, it is heavily democratic. we wanted to share that with you that the millennials are coming , andd, and understanding maybe we can build a base with grassroots efforts and take the power back. among the 113 million people who voted in the midterm elections. guest: unbelievable. i know the last midterm was the lowest midterm since world war ii. this one set a record for a midterm turnout. it says we are more
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cynically-engaged, more polarized, i am not sure. of the her son had one closest governor's elections. no votes were wasted in that election. the turnout numbers are fascinating. guest: compared the 2016 in the presidential election where more voters do not tend to vote in the midterms. it reached practically presidential levels. i was fascinated, she said she was an independent. that is the fastest-growing party in the united states. our independents, that really speaks to people being frustrated and giving up on the two-party season -- two-party system, not liking the way they have behaved.
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others are upset with the democrats so the independents are the fastest-growing group in the united states. host: especially among young people, too. young people are not just traditionally going to the democratic party. guest: they do not find the two-party system all that welcoming to them. in part because many millennials have grown up and are new to this and have not had time to be polarized the way the rest of us have. both of my young adult sons who voted in connecticut this week, they are going out of their way to figure out some and both are fine with both parties, so they view themselves as independents. host: this is "the new york times," 36.1 million people watched the tuesday evening coverage of the midterm elections. nbc, 5.7 million viewers, and cnn viewers finish with 5.1 million.
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have of the audience that watched coverage of the 2016 presidential election, around 71 million people tuned in on election night in 2016. kathy in delaware, a republican. caller: good morning. i am pleased that donald trump cnn and theok on other reporter yesterday. i thought it was really rude of them to disrespect him. in saudi arabia, for behavior like that, you can be kidnapped and dismembered. it is unacceptable for them to disrespect the president of the united states. i am not the least bit worried about donald trump. we have the electoral college and there is not a thing the democrats can do about that. host: all right, kathy.
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pat in new york, a democrat. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: yes, i think we need new faces in the house because nancy pelosi is going to be so preoccupied with trying to impeach trump and the russian investigation, and our representatives need to get to work at administering the government. i think the legislative branch is going to bow down because of her preoccupation in impeaching trump and the russian investigation, and she is going to use all of the democrats and republican she can to get them on that agenda. you have to remember, trump's constituents are radical people. look like, you know, the democrats of the bad
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guys here, and they're coming down on trump, that is pretty dangerous. we need our representatives to get to work, and work together, and if they have to work with trump on infrastructure or whatever it is, they need to get to work and lose their personal agendas of just ousting trump. host: final call and your final thoughts? guest: i think there is a welter of juncker people you will hear about -- there is a welter of younger peaceful you will hear about -- there is a welter of younger people you will hear about soon. some of them would be with you saying they should stay there a clear of the impeachment -- should stay very clear of the impeachment agenda. some will say, let's have at it.
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host: francine kiefer. guest: interestingly enough, nancy pelosi seemed concerned yesterday when she said we have an oversight lull that we have to address, and where there is common ground, we will look for it, and where we cannot find it, we will stand our ground. gum and her way to chew walk at the same time, as david said at the top of the show, and to show they can govern and execute oversight. that is what her stated goal is and we will see what she will do. kiefer, thank you very much. and david hawkings, the >> c-span cease washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up friday morning,
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american university's david barker and the brookings institution's molly reynolds discuss how president trump might work with a divided congress:and the history of presidents working with the politically divided congress. be sure to watch c-span's washington journal. live at 7:00 eastern, friday orning, join the discussion. >> tomorrow, white house trade advisor peter navarro talks about economic policy and national security under the trump administration. live from the center for strategic and international studies. at 11:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. and later in the day veterans affairs secretary robert wilke speaks at the national press club about priorities for the v.a. in the year ahead. also live on c-span. starting at 1:00 p.m. eastern. >> i thought about the forgotten presidents before i began the book and occurred to me there might be something all
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these presidents had in common. that -- not that they were forgotten but perhaps significant in some way. >> this week on q&a university of north carolina constitutional law professor michael gerhart talks about two of his books, the forgotten presidents and impeachment. >> i think that bill kline fon -- clinton did a lot to merit his own impeachment. i think that he knew members of congress were looking for him to make mistakes. and then quhe made those mistakes, and then later testified under oath and in a way that was false, and for which he was later held in contempt by a judge for perjury, bill clinton made his impeachment almost inevitable. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a. >> more now on the results from the 2018 midterm recollections. -- elections. and what t


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