tv Politico Women Rule Summit Panel on Activism CSPAN December 27, 2018 3:19am-3:54am EST
passionate about. find a candidate you believe in and get involved. just do it. i know all of you are republicans. so come and call me. i'm just kidding. [laughter] ronna: it is my crowd. carrie: i could stay and talk with you for a long time. so much to go over. thank you for a great conversation. there is a lot to chew over here. ask for the money, go for the -- ronna: you don't get what you don't ask for. carrie: go for the goals. keep working at it. thank you. ronna: thank you. [applause] announcer: more from the women's leadership summit with actress piper perabo. she shares how she became an activist by protesting the brett kavanaugh supreme court confirmation. this is half an hour. [applause]
>> please welcome house of the women podcast, anna palmer, and host of the podcast with friends like these, annamarie coxe. >> hello. i'm anna palmer. for those of you who are joining us and were not here early in the morning, excited to have so many people here. i am here with annamarie coxe was host of with friends like these. we are holding a joint life podcast with actress and activist piper perabo. thank you. [applause] anna: throughout the day, we have heard from women taking action on the campaign trail. teaching narratives in business. i wanted to talk to paper. we were chatting on the phone last week about your transformation from actress to what you know consider activist and how it was a series of aha moments i got you there. talk us through that transformation. piper: when i was not doing anything, i was in that space
where i was looking for, how can i help? what can i do? my cousin doesn't refugee resettlement for the international rescue committee. he was like, you can help here. with solomon -- with someone who said, come help. i worked with them and opened my eyes to the larger crisis going on. then, the big moment for me was, trump's access hollywood tape. i felt like i must be so naïve, a must be eight living in a country i do not understand. i felt alone and confused. when he won, i was so upset and bewildered at after crying for three days, i started calling everyone i knew and said, who is doing something? who is trying to do something? how can i help, what can i do? i started there. dream hampton, an activist, i heard her speaking to john
legend on a podcast. she had said that legend was interested in getting involved in the incarceration reform ovement. and what should he do? she told him he should listen for a year before he says anything and so i thought, you show up all the time. every time you are asked to show up, you show up and listen. once i called everyone to say what is going on, how can i help? i started showing up in listening. anna: were you traveling? what did that look like? showing up, this is happening across the country. piper: i started traveling. there was the march from charlottesville to d.c. after charlottesville happened. i heard about this march where people were marching against white supremacy. i flew into the march. started marching. i learned protest songs and i met all of these people from other parts of the country. then the doug jones special election happened. he seemed like a good candidate.
i knew people with money, so i thought, let me see if i can connect to them to alabama and offer my assistance for fundraising. we got so connecting -- connected that i flew down to alabama and was driving people to the polls on election day. i kept looking for places where i could be of service to people and causes i believed in. and trying to get there. anna: that is so interesting because there is something of an unfortunate tradition in american activism where once an event or issue becomes the center of attention, a lot of the white ladies zoom in to take over. and there is not a lot of attention paid to, i will listen. i will let the people who have been marginalized be the ones to lead me. piper: before i went to alabama, i got involved in supporting jones. and a really smart woman who teaches at the new school says, i might go to alabama and drive people to the polls. she said, you better learn more about alabama before you go down there.
i was like, ok. she was like him i would start with these grassroot organizations who have been working for decades for women of color. you need to learn all about them. find out what they are doing can you need to find out how you can support them. annamarie: especially the celebrity, the impulse -- i imagine, one reason travels that journey is you like to be the center of attention. or at least it is ok with you and are attracted to being in the center of things to what does it feel like making a conscious decision to step back? piper: it feels better. i am not that comfortable being the center of attention. when i recognize is that my platform is my privilege. his thing, a press line that i was uncomfortable with, when they say, what are you wearing or who are you wearing? i don't have to answer that question. i can use my press line to talk about something else. annamarie: yeah.
i like it. piper: you don't have to say anything about it. 'm wearing my own dress. annamarie: they do not answer your questions anyway. piper: they are really like politicians that way. anna: i want to remind the audience that if you have a question for piper, tweaked at us with #rulewithas. i want to talk a little bit bout that. i want -- annamarie brought up an important point which is you did not feel like you knew enough. that can be paralyzing. you felt you had to research five different things. how did you feel like you were educated enough? now i can jump in and i'm here. piper: i will never be educated enough. it is part of my nature. i am curious. i do not want to show up like some dummy on the ground. how about, what is going on, whether the universities and organizations within the
university's? who is already doing the work and start listening to them. that is how you will understand what is going on. no one wants you to come down and invent something new. annamarie: how do you learn? what other surprises you have had along the way? or things he did not realize? like a depth of understanding you thought you understood something but really did not understand? piper: i think privilege is something i am still trying to understand. i was invited to speak at a thing in new york. i was invited to speak about -- speak at an event that was talking about women who are incarcerated. i was saying this to a friend of mine who is an environmental policy adviser and a woman of color. she said, why did they ask you o speak?
i said, i don't know. she said, is that a real issue of yours? i said, no. i don't really know much about it. i will have to learn a lot. she said, that is your privilege. you need to tell them that if you are going to come and speak, you will only come if you bring someone who is at the front of that fight and who does know what they are talking about. you need to make space for them. [applause] >> i think that is one of the hardest things people of her village understand. sometimes it means stepping back. but you will get your chances. like your chance will come. piper: right in the beginning -- near the end of the big first movement of occupy when there were these protests going on where there is a law in new york that you need a permit to have amplified sound, so if you will do a protest, you can only speak as loud as zero and voice will carry. they do this in called human
microphone, where the person speaking has to speak in short sentences and that it is repeated backwards across the crowd. one thing it does is makes the person who is speaking stay on point. not go on and on about this one time. but also it makes everyone in the crowd repeat the sentences of the speaker so if you even go to the protest, by saying those phrases, you start to understand things in a different way. i thought -- that was surprising for me. anna: talk about -- you get educated. trump is the catalyst for you in terms of bringing your activism to a new level. really, things escalated for you around the brett kavanaugh hearings. you can to washington to what was that experience like? piper: when sessions and trump were going to get rid of daca, i was upset about that. i live in new york and there were protests going on in front of trump tower. a woman i know in the immigration movement called me and said, do you want to go get arrested tomorrow? i was like, let me think. let's get a coffee. sure. i said, i don't know.
she said, there is going to be a training on how to get arrested tonight. do you want to go to that? i said, yeah. i went to meet people. i want to know you guys. i decided i did not want to get arrested the next day been in the next day i held a safe space for people who were getting arrested so the press can see what is going on. but then i knew how to get arrested. when kavanaugh came up, it was before dr. blasey ford came forward. i'm sure we have different opinions in this room, but the president is an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony investigation and i don't think he can appoint supreme court justices until that has been settled. i was like, i do not want this guy who will take away roe v. wade.
i thought, this is when i use the arresting. i knew a bunch of women were going to stand up and disrupt and say why they disagreed. i thought, i going to do that. i did not know what was going to happen. but i decided, you get to a point where you are like, not today. that was my day. anna: i have never been arrested. what was that like? for the audience, raise your hand. piper: what were you arrested for? ana marie: i would rather not talk about it. piper: it was an interesting story. >> what does it mean, how did it go down? piper: the laws are different, when you are in a federal building or in a public building, or on public property,
the laws change. if you get arrested, you should go to a training or ask someone who has been arrested so you know what will happen. so, in the senate hearings for the supreme court justice, 23 citizens are allowed -- americans are allowed to watch. you have to get online. we got online in the dawn light. they were going to lead us in 23 at a time. i knew i could get arrested. i had a money and cash and my drivers license. i was a girl scout. in one pocket. then bail money for someone else in case someone else needed money. then like cell phone battery and my cell phone. that -- and i knew why i was opposed to kavanaugh. when i got my chance to stand up nd say, i knew i would never
et -- i got out two sentences. that is all i knew going in. i am going to stand up. and start talking. it was really scary. for a lot of us, the kavanaugh hearings and the desire to pose them was -- oppose them was personal to was it personal for you? piper: it was personal to me because my bodily autonomy is personal to me. i believe that women and men have fought for this since before i was born. and that was a lot of work. and i am not going to just sit there silently while someone takes it away. i believe silence is consent. [applause] ana marie: there is a part of activism that is yelling and chaining her body and marching. there is another part which is more difficult which is what happens in our personal lives. how do your -- your values show p?
piper: it is challenging. i'm sure for all of us going home for thanksgiving, with extended family, you're like, uhh. i am not a fan of thanksgiving right now. but one of the things that was interesting is i was concerned about how it would affect my work relationships. that i was getting so active and loud everybody's business is different. some businesses it is a big deal, some it is not. in my business, i have seen men get a dui and get a giant franchise moving right away. i thought, well i will get active. i am not going to worry about that. found that by getting active, so many more people in my industry were reaching out.
it strengthened by business relationships because people know where i stand. and i am serious about it. piper: does that mean hollywood is not as liberal as we think it s? piper: i think being -- saying you are a liberal and getting arrested for what you believe are just believe in are two different things. some people are happy to write a check but they are alike, the show is going to open. don't say anything about that. i think that is where business are similar. if you are our -- if you are at some march, your boss is a no, no problem. once it starts to get to present, that is when i get nervous. anna: you were concerned about the business side of things. then there is fans, celebrities using their platform and are criticized for it. on twitter and all sorts of things. did you get a lot of criticism? piper: i got some criticism, not as much as i thought.
the cool thing about social media, mute, mute, mute. i should not say this because people will be like -- i do not even block you because then you know i read you. i just mute user that you are screaming into a void. and then you are using that energy and not using it again someone else. [laughter] piper: i really recommend the mute button. it has been useful for me. it is how i am learning about other women, other causes, other groups where there -- where they are fighting. it is incredible. i will not give up on it. ana marie: i talked to marginalize groups and twitter. my view is they will complain about harassment. a lot of times it is, no, this is how i found other people. piper: -- i did not know these things existed until i stumbled t to them.
piper: a trans1 and said to me, she said, you need to look at the people you follow on twitter and if they look like you, that is fact up. you need to make sure you follow people that are not like you. so you can read all of the thoughts. all the things that upset us. i am like, right. i started putting these new people in my feed. it really expands your understanding. na marie: i have a friend, a twitter, he does not retweeted men. one time, i said, i described it as, my friend, he only retweets women. he's like, nope. i got schooled on that. it is not men. i retweet anyone who is not a self identified man. piper: interesting. ana marie: fluid gender, whatever. that is an interesting way to frame that privilege. i tried it and it is hard. it is. piper: can you heart them? ana marie: i will ask neil. i tried it for a day.
it brings to mind to see who you follow. see who you retweet and see what they look like. anna: i want to ask about the theoretical. you said to me in our conversation, holding our beliefs personal. a lot of this conference and the summit is about accountability. it is about taking action. actionable takeaways for the people here to leave today. and next week. or throughout the next year. they can do stuff to what is your take away? how can they get active? piper: i am so excited you ask this question. i have three answers to one, if you are that person who's has come i do not know what to be active about. there are two things happening that i think should have bipartisan support. the violence against women act
is about to expire. which would mean defunding t. that is a thing that supports women who have been through domestic violence, sexual violence, rape crisis centers, i think we agree that we should make sure those people are ok. defunding it, especially in this moment, does not make any sense. i feel like that is something we can fight for. also, the art -- of the e.r.a. is one stayed away from being ratified. some people are like, i thought we passed the e.r.a.? equal rights amendment. it gives everyone equal protection under the law regardless of gender. ana marie: i think some people think of that happening in the 1970's. piper: it didn't we were one stayed away. the states we are thinking could be the final 38 states we need our arizona, north carolina, and virginia.
virginia israel i am sure there are people here from virginia. that is a fight we need you in. it would be so exciting to do this amendment. and it is almost done. there are some things he will have to work out of activism that will be such work, such a drag, this one, we get one more state and there will be giant parties. get invited to the party and do the final thing for the e.r.a.. then if you do not want to work on those two, speaking to so many women at this conference, there are so many smart people here. i read this statistic. i will probably get the number wrong. 82% of all beds are written by straight -- of op-ed's are written by straight, white men. there will be state legislators elected this year. in this nonelection year, one way we can harness and continue the energy we build in the midterms and make sure conversations continue in our communities is that smart women start writing op-ed's in their local paper.
[applause] piper: you are also smart. you have so much expertise. you definitely have opinions. that is all you need. if you do a march through your town or protest in front of your assemblyman office, only so many people see that. and op-ed brings up a conversation in your community that smart people who of different backgrounds, who all read the newspaper, are talking about. they will come find you. i really think op-ed's is a place where all of the smart women can bring so many ideas and bring them into the communities now. ana marie: and being smart and having expertise is optional for a lot of op-ed writers. [laughter] ana marie: please women can bring all of that to the table. piper: you will get it published ight away. ana marie: i want to point out, to blow everyone's mind, colorado only just criminalized slavery.
made slavery illegal in their states. there are states still catching up from the civil war that have not passed. piper: it would jump us forward on so many things. our representation is important. ana marie: i shrugged my shoulders, you do not do that. anna: talk about what fuels you to keep going. that is one of the questions that you are very passionate and you have been protesting. there is fatigued. i think there is a real fatigue from the trunk factor. it is hard for people that i talked to about staying on panel. how do you say, i am going to come to the women rule summit, i will march again, keep going? piper: partly, it is who i am as a person. if you are a curious person, it is so fun to go into a room like this all the random women who
are like, you can talk to in the lobby. when you see, i do not even know what that company does, i'm a curious person. going into the spaces, how to get arrested training, that is really interesting to me. i want to look around and meet all the smart people. i think also, there is as podcast -- i don't think it is on anymore, politically reactive. after the election, i remember he was like, this is going to be a lot of work. and you will all get really tired. especially those of you who have not fought before p will feel really tired because you have never fought like this before. but, although there are days hen i feel really disheartened d pissed off, i'm so excited to be living in a time of change. i think that is why it is so uncomfortable. we are in real change down. that is why we are exhausted and uncomfortable.
we are living through an important moment in history. be a part of it. when you are somebody's grandma and they ask you, what was that like, did you march? be able to say, yeah. it's cool. t's important. ana marie: i wonder if there are particular connections or moments you have had that have been especially meaningful for you in this time? piper: you mean, like, in activism? ana marie: yeah. maybe more than that to. piper: there is one activist named audie bargain who is dying f als. the first time i became aware of him, he is the one who confronted jeff flake on the plane about why he was going to get rid of the affordable care act. i thought that was so brave.
that was the first time. i heard him talking, i'm like, what is going on with this guy's voice? they said later that he has als. not only is he a charismatic and smart leader, but he is literally using his dying days to try to improve this country. that is really inspiring. and it really makes you feel like i could probably do more. you know? so, meeting someone like him, was really cold. -- cool. i have marched beside him, i think he is inspiring. anna: we have a few minutes. ana marie: i have a few questions. piper: it is hard to see the clock. ana marie: it is a we will cut this out of the broadcast. you are passionate and you have talked about getting involved. we have to talk about what that has been in in your ndustry. i am wondering about your influence on your
colleagues? you got excited. are you dragging people kicking and screaming, are you recruiting them, or you many fans a list? ana marie: -- piper: i think there is within my industry, people have the ability to pull the spotlight over here or the tension over here. that is a real power that you have. you should use it. i do not even necessarily need to tell them what they have to se it for. but i think it is intimidating. i never door knocked until this midterm election. i was so afraid to door knocked it i thought people would ask me about tax legislation. stuff i do not know much about. i don't want to get in an argument with someone at their house. what if their kids are home? then i learned about doorknocking. it is not that scary. you only door knock for the party of the candidate you are supporting.
they are like, i am voting for her. ok, thank you so much. have a great day. a lot of it with my colleagues, giving them the information to not be afraid, so that they know what it really is. even if you are a movie star, you can phone bank. maybe you can't go door to door. you can't be more famous than her. get to work. ana marie: i was going to say, a stereo typical response might be, are you worried about being recognized? i think some people are worried about not getting ecognized. piper: probably. both happens to me. some people open the door and i like, oh my gosh! both is weird. ana marie: a regular human. piper: that is the same for everybody. it is awkward and you knock on people's doors and you are trying to talk to them. you do your best. sometimes they are nice and
sometimes people slam their door in my face. one lady slammed her door so hard, she slammed it, then opened it up more, so she could slam it harder in my face. ana marie: that person was mismarked. iper: i put, not voting. ana marie: what is the most successful moment you have had? you don't have to name names, but i am curious about your turnover rate here. your completion rate of getting people involved? and how you do it? piper: there is a lot of people i am working on. [laughter] piper: because part of it takes time. and part of it takes proving that i am not here doing it and i have not lost my job. and i can still be on tv shows and movies and you are not so mad that i will never get a job again. i have to do it a lot for them o not be afraid. i have had some successes. [laughter]
ana marie: you did not have to name names, so i guess. piper: look at it -- look around at who is talking. the new people that are talking, i still feel like i am in the new group. i am also supporting people who pulled me into it. ana marie: his twitter part of the baby steps? i know that when i have been retweeted by a famous person, it can blow something up. piper: sometimes there is a journalist or writer -- he retweeted me one time and i was like, oh! he is so smart. wow! then i was like, i'm going to learn more about the constitution. in case i run into him, i have something to say. for me, that was the greatest. na marie: that is a first.
we are almost out of time. on that note, that was the peak of the conversation. you talked about three things coming up. for you, what is next for you, what are you focused on in the next coming weeks, months? piper: what i am really focused on is a couple things. in the immediate future, i am focused on voting and election reform in new york state. there is legislation written, we have a trueblue new york, and it is embarrassing to be a new yorker and no offense to anyone from idaho, but you have better laws than we do. i feel like an idiot. i'm working on that immediately. there are all kinds of state legislation races that will come in 2019. i want to make sure there are
state laws passed, especially in the states where young people registered and got active this year. getting your candidate in is not the win. what you need is the lot to change to feel like your vote, your activism did something. i want those legislative wins for these young people. i want them to stay active into 2020. that is a little ways away so we have to keep the momentum. anna: all right. unfortunately, we are out of time. thank you so much for joining us. for our live podcast, a lot of fun. thank you, piper, for sharing your journey and activism and how to engage in the ground level. thank you so much. [applause] announcer: the 116th congress will have over 100 new members of the house and senate. five represent the state of
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