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manuscript and arabic. written by a slave. >> watch american artifacts today at 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> house foreign affairs committee ranking member michael about the north korea nuclear talks, iran's nuclear threats and china. the heritage foundation hosts this hour-long event. >> either congressman mccall has taller -- that is ok. we are going to get started and we will pick up the conversation when congressman mccaul gets here. i will introduce him now when
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you consider so when he gets here we can get started. i love congressman mccaul. is currently the ranking member on the house foreign affairs committee. before that, we work with congressman mccaul for many years when he was the chairman of the homeland security committee. think he is a great public servant. before that, he was deputy attorney general. he was a graduate from harvard university. he served as a federal prosecutor. he really has dedicated his life to public service.
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he is a creative, innovative are so manythere issues going on of the world -- there were so many issues to cover the universe. to have them here to have a discussion will be great. i promise you i will keep the discussion short and try to get as much time with you guys asking questions. have your questions ready. we met this to be an open format to understand what his priorities are and how he is thinking about it. nable.s jv ve he is back from a trip to romania. he is a retired f-16 pilot. he is one of our key defense analysts. what is great about getting our defense guys into some foreign policy stuff is day bring with
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them some strong military knowledge and they bring that into this world of foreign with thed particularly transatlantic committee and some of the issues, i thought it would be great for us to pick his brain while we are waiting for him. one of the questions i would ask it is a mccaul, and perfect question for j.v. as a has wri-16 pilot, he tten a fascinating paper where he interviewed 30 pilots. he is probably spoken to more f-35 pilots in the air force and is a former pilot himself has a better understanding of the aircraft the most anyone alive. one of the key foreign policy issues is we have two countries, one is a former ally, india, and turkey, both of which in the
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case of turkey bought the s-400. india has been in talks to buy the s-400. u.s.ssue it raises for the , particularly in the case of turkey, because turkey is a partner in the f-35 and owns some f-35s. for as a real problem country like turkey to be having an f-35 and an s-400? let's start there. is that a real foreign policy crisis between the u.s. and turkey? question andgreat thank you for inviting me and putting up with me for a couple minutes. i will try to keep my answers short so when the congressman comes and we can go arrange that. it is a significant issue pairing the s-400 with f-35. you are not all in deftly
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involved with this like i am, but we do some things that are simplistic with airplanes. we will stick them up on literal sticks that have the ability to rotate and will put them half mile away from a radar and inundated with radar beams of every variety and we call that characterizing the platform. what that allows us to do is find out where the vulnerabilities are for the f-35. how far away you can see it. lies that vulnerability with each of the individual radar systems. turks the f-35 with the s-400 system would allow either turkey or they're good friends, russia, to characterize the f-35 and nullify the advantage we have with this very expensive and capable platform. we have a 10 or 15 year competitive advantage over every
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system in the world with the stealth fighter, we don't want to give that up. >> what about the argument that this is not a problem. we will fly the f over there? fly theperfect world -- f-35 over there? >> turkey, why don't you allow us to have one of those s-400 systems and we will keep that over here and we will ever pairing up with one of our threats and tested against our system. that is the same lack of trust you have to have with a partner and competitor nation and that is what keeps us all safe. noare you saying there is technical fix for putting the s-400 and f-35 together and giving someone access to both of them? >> in the world of scruples, you think contractors have the least amount of scruples. if you are selling a product,
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you would sell it to everyone he possibly could. while talking to senior officials and lockheed martin.
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different direction with selling the pump from, we do not sell them the proper. >> when the congressman gets here i'm going to sandbag him and ask him how will solve it politically in the role of congress, and with like you, and i will ask you to do the diplomacy but having said all the things you said, this is it necessarily the showdown this is one point in time there are number things that they could do to modify, and make this decision with nato allies and out of the program. is that fair? >> that is fair. they have made every verbal
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statement the said will going to accept it. if the play that we continue delivering turkey 815 to turkey space. willie can go into the pilots and help us on the process. once it is resolved assuming turkey goes on the path of not bind us for hundred you can move aircraft . . . >> and we are talking about
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the recent experiences that touch on the same areas and one more question but those folks really understand what's the difference like perspective from turkey you're the kind of capabilities with the s 400 and was the real trade-off with the f 35 and to detect and sort and pass information in a large spectrum of other tactical and strategic assets that are out there it is a system of communicators and facilitator
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along with extraordinary capabilities in combat the s 400 is a defensive system that is networked into all the others that are out there as turkey or india would give up meeting russia would know every movement taking place it is a trade off. unless they are just trying to get a better deal. >> if the us and turkey put the whole thing on pause to say the future of airspace control and defense security
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in the region and then move on from there with those options in a way of the securities to stand out. >> that's the perfect line i don't just say that because you're my boss but my bosses boss but a way to broker that and there are no timelines with the s 400 but if they accept it will be hard to recover. >> it is a question to this particular issue. >> just repeat the question.
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>> and to argue essentially but an interesting question but essentially move away from conventional warfare spec so the question is with some
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future defense recommendations with that conventional platforms with hyper warfare and with other capabilities so maybe the question is what is that makes them what the united states does not want to trade off quick. >> i love the question sean basically has prepare for a big bore or the wars we have been fighting for a while. but those were so far off f 35 they were not even worth addressing. with those heavy r&d days.
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the truth is i wish there was somebody running alongside to make lockheed martin compete that by itself it has driven down the cost because of the pilots it is the most dominant fighter ever coming across the pilot and with that f 15 pilot whenever we go back to the previous platform. always picking the f 35 over that platform. so do we need to prepare and engage for that low-level threat or the next level of war quirks in that global competitor.
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it is easy. we can flex into that low intensity things for a while and not hurt the united states strategically doing it over the last 15 or 20 years we have done that very well to take away that maligned thought process we have done that well in spite of 20 years ago to be prepared for a major conflict but we'd no longer have that capable of dealing with a competitor and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff but right now to take every combat unit moving them into a region let go find
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another kuwait in 1991. then now those assets are 20 years older but nothing to dilute that aging process of the aircraft. and then to get the scenarios but if you have that low intensity conflict and then to engage and win and maybe you cannot recover from. >> and with that entire industrial base. >> [applause]
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>> you were great. >> and one of the things that you talked about and that expert at heritage so the situation coming before your committee in one case a strategic partner but in the other case those i had not taken position one - - possession that this is just
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incompatible that they will not be both controlled by an ally in the same theater. so i would be interested in your take and also the role that you think congress plays. >> that distinction that nato was formed initially so meeting with the foreign minister of turkey, we made the point you are a nato ally with russian s for hundreds. by the way that violates the russian sanctions and then to put together a resolution to condemn our allies from
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purchasing the s 400 from the russians violating those sanctions and then to put pressure to back off that there's a patriot missile. and then to go down that path. >> thank you for being here. i want to be as open as possible. but really give you a chance to lay out your agenda for the
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committee. so please feel free to ignore my questions and get them on the table but one is an issue that has been very close to you that the us bilateral relationship. and i know that this is something personally. >> one of the first bills i introduced with leaders of foreign affairs of those israeli systems package the anti- aside sanctions and the
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senate a very short order we thought the same would have been marked up in short order. and unfortunately that did not happen. and then to get 218 signatures so that's where it stands. 's real lives in a rough neighborhood. and from the technology they are gray ally in the region
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and then had to assist but we have 40 past a legislative base and then to do that. and then to count states rights. >> and with those top issues. and what was the thing that took up was border security and then that taxon with legal immigration.
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and then your reaction and then yesterday met with jared kushner with the leader mccarthy and any time you tackle this with battle scars chairman goodlatte and i had a bill. and it failed by 20 votes. there are things that are not done right. they could've been done better.
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and we have the opportunity. >> so the bill it is outlining now with that perspective to take my border security where it's not a random lottery but skill -based. and then in that positive direction in those engineers and scientists. and then to stay here.
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in that smart border. the president backed off this 30-foot concrete wall with the fencing and technology. and we are getting there and in that climate to be very difficult spin and coming back in 2020. but that isn't the american people. so to take what you did and add stuff to it. and there is a constituency there.
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>> and to your point maybe messaging document. >> on the lightning round let's move on. >> i hope we don't have a war. however and the president made the right move to pull out of the jcpoa. the sanctions are having an impact. they are getting desperate now they are asking the europeans by the deal or we will start building the nuclear facility in 60 days. and there is a credible threat against their military and
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iraq. the head of the force met with the shia militia and hezbollah. and put those ships into the persian gulf so i think we can hit their nuclear facilities without putting troops on the ground. i would not recommend occupation. >> like you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. i don't think it's in their best interest. if you have 100,000 tons of
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diplomacy. >> so venezuela where are we aware we going quirks. >> 50000 people crossed into columbia every day. it is unsustainable the biggest humanitarian crisis in the western hemisphere all caused by one man. with those downfalls of socialism.
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look at the destruction one of those nations in the western hemisphere. right now guaido is the legitimate president. and that coup that would take place head of the supreme court and intelligence. and getting ready to fly to havana and then to stay in venezuela. the only intervention the 20000 security officials in venezuela popping up those that have military access the
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likes we have not seen since the cuban missile crisis. there is a lot at stake. if the people prevail cuba nicaragua bolivia the rest of latin america is going in the right direction. >> and the whole debate and what we should do about the chinese investment infrastructure. >> to be heavily engaged to deal with this issue. and with that that domination
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by economic power. it is deceptive but people are waking up to the fact latin america to africa they are there. and then they come in to build ports but it is a death trap in the end up taking over these facilities like sri lanka. they own both ends of the panama canal. rebuilt that now the chinese own it. that is incredible to me. the incoming president decided that's not good now they are all over africa.
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how do we persuade these countries to reject the chinese cracks it is long-term pain. but we also have to compete. and then champion through diplomacy act advocating for american interest the technology piece and quantum computing and five g. and with that global math that is 50 percent of the world right now is moving in with five g. once that is put in, they control it. they control the data and everything.
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for verizon and other companies we cannot just say they are evil and they steal intellectual property but the fact is we have to compete with them to win. but the united states is prepared to make. so we have hit on china and latin america there are other things on the agenda. >> when i was chairman of homeland with the caliphate
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and iraq and syria. and that you were a real at 95 percent working with the fbi intelligence community with those that you know about. with the caliphate this not to say it's not still there. that lindsey graham and i introduced the act with usaid to stabilize the region and of that definitive diplomacy side
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so the dod is interested. and that is the right approach. >> but you seek war with iran but is that a change in with those remarks of iran without sending those ground troops can you elaborate cracks. >> to put maximum pressure on the iranian people that
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80 percent of the iranian people do not agree with ayatollah and the theocracy that is oppressing them we want to give them every ability but then not to sit back but if iran starts to build that nuclear facility we will respond to that. and then not allow iran to become a nuclear power. and then to have that crippling effect on their economy the jcpoa is crippling them what we are doing right now is out of desperation for them. those are positive signs of
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the right direction. and then to kill the journalist. and then with bin laden and china is more in pakistan. and in the congress.
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>> and to help us get the one. about one month after we killed bin laden there was a feeling of embarrassment and anger in pakistan at that time. to say your cia never said you were in my country may be so but the isi new. that is like the west point academy i think they harbored him. they were complicit with the extremist and then the tricky part this is like i was
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thinking about that whole reference. but my first year of west point that's not a bad analogy. >> as somebody is remodeling their house with south asia giving those terrorist attacks that recent declaration by isys and the increase of islamic terrorist activities in india is at the next front of the global war will lead you to support those to
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confront on the front lines cracks. >> with the collapse of the caliphate as i said they cannot conduct external operations from the space they cannot govern. >> and then in asia as you point out and in particular the south and if we don't start dealing with that now with those internal operations
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we can do a lot of good things right now to stabilize these countries with india it is nothing new to them and in the philippines there is al qaeda and indonesia as well. i always said it won't go away in her lifetime the radical islamist behavior. but i will tell you i feel safer when the caliphate has been destroyed. >> but you make that distinction and places where they could put down that infrastructure that sustained campaign of operations is that fair quick. >> yes and the power vacuum with 911 with iraq and syria
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any time they can put down that space and control it that's with a conduct external operations. with those laptop bombs. and then proven not to be very effective. >> the south korean government provide over $8 billion and then with that industrial complex and with that
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provocation to change that position but then that short missile. so how do you see that reaction to allow that between the united states and north korea quick. >> that's a good question. i am all for humanitarian aid but the south korean president the right way to perceive that. and then we have to engage on them. because the stakes are just too high.
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and then with that nuclear warhead. is this something with the denuclearization or incrementally. but that is not realistic. to take the incremental approach to negotiate piece by piece. and with the incremental approach in that space saving measure it's never easy to negotiate with if we promised
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an economic brighter future but the biggest thing they have is the nuclear small club. it didn't work with pakistan and with iran we are failing on that one too. >> on a quick three-part question with the western balkans and ukraine. and then the comedian
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entertainers and a politician now. [laughter] >> but we're looking at him closely. and to have no russian influence. what happened with crimea and what happened in ukraine was devastating with the cyberattacks. it is like a playing ground for the russians. to see how effective they are. with that russia hit the bank
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that they had an account at the bank to destroy 20 years of data and shut down the los angeles port. the magnitude of summer operations. and then with the old soviet empire. with gorbachev and yeltsin are contributors to the country but to build this bridge to block off that ukrainian pour into the black sea. and then the ports into the mediterranean. and that is serious
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complicating for an challenge policy of a lifetime. but to support the legislation to arm with lethal weapons. >> and then also with the committee on national legislation we really appreciate your leadership on the fragility act to have a great step to strength to prevent conflict so what other steps can the administration take quick. >> thank you. one campaign is very supportive of this initiative.
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this will pass. i was just over in africa the largest populating continent in the world and there are droughts in central africa to exacerbate the problem we really need to address this right now because time and time again from the state department you are spot on and then a good job often simply the piece we haven't done very well is the prevention piece
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that is the global fragility act and what it was designed to do. >> thank you for coming but regarding north korea once again with the previous questions where they stand on missile defense and to be very concerned that think we need to arm japan and the childhood cancer caucus where 80 percent
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of children with cancer survive but in africa 80 percent diaper. 90 percent mortality rate. there are clinics all over africa texas children's has a global health initiative between cancer medication to africa and i'm working with a committee and bristol-myers squibb and a whole host of st. jude's stakeholders to weigh out that predicated of pep far to bring out the medicines to save the african children they just don't have access. >> if there is a question on
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the far left i would be happy to take that. >> and then a surprise that waikiki beach with the southern part of the nation then to come up with the riots on equatorial sees. with a centrifugal force have you thought of addressing this issue in congress cracks been to the academy of sciences. and those which is below sea level and those other ideas.
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and this miami beach which is a huge city in our nation so far only 20 days per year when the moon lines up with the sun to create a higher tide so the sea level is rising. >> so this agreement had a lot of flaws we had to comply with the chinese there are building a coal plant every week in the omissions is a serious problem but a nasa scientist was in my office to say not a policymaker to show what would
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happen in the next 20 or 40 years. it is persuasive and there is a tendency and how to deal with this in a sensible way. and with great tech companies working in technology innovations to lower carbon emissions from the atmosphere. and the arctic circle the chinese look at how they can do shipping in the arctic.
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and some of that is man-made. so in terms of reducing emissions why can't we have nuclear power cracks and with our nuclear program and it isn't democrat or republican thing i know the dems are in favor and republicans are neanderthals but. [laughter] but this is the last question. >>.
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>> so you mentioned the chinese death trap strategy in latin america the multilateral agreements to take over the port in israel. and so how do you reconcile cybersecurity as well as the project of the west bank. especially the chinese have a greater interest does that mean there is a greater interest in philanthropic efforts. >> i asked those questions and
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assured me they don't own it but the problem is when they build it they take it over. do not allow five g. and to have the academia and silicon valley in the military and on the technology. and to come up with the package with content computing and cybersecurity.
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and with 50 percent of five g that means able dominate and control 50 percent of the data that comes out. this has to be a public-private partnership. we have to invest at the federal level. people are just now waking up to the china threat. and then they realize what is happening and that's a call for action and one of the interesting things of the trilateral. and nobody understands the chinese pressure better than the indians.
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and then waking up to those issues that you talk about. and what those committee is working on. and to know what is on your plate before you go. >> and with that foreign policy and now the communist threat is real and that independence from the china you have foreign-policy rights. and that's were talking about
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in africa. diplomats when they fail is when we go to war. i am the churchill guy with this visionary and against communism. those are axioms that i live by in my political career and at the end of the day, i saw a theme where the allies no longer trusted us. and they no longer feared us. they will not all like you you went to work with them but
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that we are teaching our doctrine we don't have the iran deal. the israelis felt very slighted. and china russia and maduro and that extends a strong foreign-policy to keep the world at peace i have gone from terrorism and it is very interesting. >> we wish you luck thank you
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to the congressman. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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