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live from the national air and space museum from washington, d.c. knowan call us and let us your impressions of apollo 11 if you watched the moon landing. .202) 748-8000 for all others (202) 748-8001. panwj yourst @cs thoughts and impressions. you can do the same on facebook.com/cspan. based here from the national air and space museum. a couple of facts about the 50th anniversary of the apollo 11 mission. it was neil armstrong, buzz aldrin, and michael collins the team for that day. the launch took place july 16, 1969. 20,moon landing on july
1969. step by neil armstrong at about 10 4:56 p.m. on july 20. about 10:56 p.m. on july 20. astronauts returning to earth on july 24, 1969. we will talk more about the historical significance and what it means for spaceflight today. o. will hear from you to if you watched the moon landing, (202) 748-8000. (202) 748-8001 for all others this morning. let you know that this program is being done in conjunction with our colleagues at american history tv. c-span3 on the weekends turns into that channel with
historical programming from interviews, and lectures. programming, interviews, and lectures. you can talk about the apollo 11 mission, participate on twitter. there is a poll there. ahtv all weekend long will give you programming specifically related to apollo 11. you can watch that on c-span3. go to our website. if you go to their website page, you can find all the programming they have planned and information for you specifically about apollo 11 as well. some interesting facts when it comes to apollo 11. the astronauts carried science experiments and the like. some of the other things they commemoratingque
the landing. that was on one of the arms on the lunar module. that would stay behind. large americano flags. also the flags of certain nations. as you have seen pictures of people walking on the moon, that came courtesy of a tv camera that went on board the module as well. we will talk about those things during the course of the morning. we want to hear from you during these three hours as we have a new location. we are usually at our "washington journal" set. jack in rhode island starts us off this morning on impressions for those who watched the moon landing. go ahead. thank you. i am showing my age because i did watch it with my father.
he is no longer here. what's not really publicized because it's not politically correct, the key people that got us to the moon were the technological geniuses that were germans. project. lead it the that was also otto rudolph. there were she engineers and scientists from -- he engineers -- key engineers and scientists from operation paperclip that in u.s. government ledt after world war ii. from the time you watched it, what are your impressions of the apollo 11 mission itself? caller: extremely successful, absolutely amazing, and it was
because of those men and also those astronauts were amazing. their bravery was astounding. i am a little proud of myself because my ancestry is german. a couple of them were nazis. maybe they did that to protect themselves. host: let's hear from martha in virginia beach, also watched the men landing. go ahead. caller: i wanted to thank you all for covering this from the beginning. yy husband's cousin james sha was in charge of that unfortunate accident where they burned before they even got out of a lot of pressure was put on them -- out of space. a lot of pressure was put on them.
maybe some corners were cut. i have been fascinated. host: are you talking about the events of apollo 1? caller: yes. there was a gentleman the other day talking about that from the beginning to this point. thank you. have a good day. host: before you go, what is a specific memory you have about the landing itself? caller: my mother and i were fascinated with it. she died in 1976. we watched that thing. we watched it go on. my husband had to go to work the next day. that is how fascinated with it. i worked as a research chemist. i have always been fascinated in signs of any kind. host: that is martha in virginia
beach. (202) 748-8000 if you want to call in and have specific memories of that time. (202) 748-8001. bronx on our line for others. caller: i was in the navy at the time, and we were in vietnam. i was on the uss boston. i was on the signal bridge, where we did flash lights and signal flags. came from the bridge, the call goes out that says stand by your bag, meaning the signal bag. once the message is brought to the leading petty officer, the call is signal in the air. up which point george hung
the flag that said usa man on ted it up to wastehois the yardarm. that was it. that is what we did. reaction fors the those on board? caller: i was on the signal bridge. it was just three of us. i don't know what happened down below. we had 1200 men on the ship. i cannot answer that. host: for those of you who watched the landing here in the u.s. and worldwide, people in other countries reacting to it. and seeo to nasa footage, you will see pictures of people watching all over the
becames this one event the fascination of the whole world. we will go to robert in louisiana. good morning. caller: good morning. i am glad i am watching your program. i was 18 years old. i saw it on tv like most people. it is still impressive today. son, and hengest cannot really appreciate it. what i have in my hand for those who collect coins, the u.s. mint produced a commemorative coin for the 50th anniversary of the landing. neil armstrong was taking the picture of buzz aldrin, and when film came out,e it shows the picture of neil can see the lunar
landing module. the coin is curved just like the facemask. the u.s. mint had these. they are five ounces. they are beautiful. of the korande itself, it shows the first footprint. it is unbelievably beautiful. it right now.t i wish everybody on tv could see this thing. outsidet people i ran to look at the moon. i'm assuming a lot of people did that. it stays with me today. it is one of those moments that grabs you. host: did you watch it with other family and friends? caller: i watched it with my mother. my two brothers were there. we were glued.
for three days when they would come back and forth, and of course walter cronkite was unbelievably great. it still sits with me today. when they landed on him moon, my brothers and i were sitting there holding our breath like everybody else. watching walter cronkite smiled. it was a great event. man, one step for giant leap for mankind. it is impressive. as the years go by, this might go down in history, but it liked to think it will go down in history as something that people will truly be there. luckily we had film of it and everything. kudos to everyone that is part of this thing, especially the technicians and the people who
built it. that is amazing. guest: -- host: ok. i believe that is robert in that version. he talked about walter cronkite. those of you that watched on that they come it was walter cronkite had a model of the lunar module one that was provided to him and used that to demonstrate what was going on with the various parts of the flight. these are historical images you can find online. this is the 50th anniversary of the apollo 11 mission. you can join in the conversation and post on our facebook page. you can post on the american history facebook page as well. c-span3 history tv, turns into american history tv on the weekend. you can see a weekend of programming. other full-length features as well. go to our website for more
information on that. i believe this is mark from the bronx. that one.i have taken let's go to david in chicago. david in chicago watched the moon landing. i didn't watch them landing. i was just a kid out of grade school. i want to talk about the fact that it took about 400,000 americans, practically all of them american-born and educated to put a man on the moon. there were about 150 german refugee scientists, but this was all american-made talent. right now there is a bill going to the senate that would further entrench a lot of foreign workers and their labor force. took to putwhat it a man on the moon and back, and this was all before the hib visa
and labor dumping in our technology sector. when you think about the moon mission, apollo, i want everybody to remind their senators and congressmen that we did this, winning the cold war and sending a man to the moon and back before all of this cheap foreign labor dumping started. host: when it comes to apollo 11 itself, were you one of those when it was announced, were you a supporter of the mission itself? caller: my father worked on the integral technologies as a major defense contractor that provided technologies to send a man to the moon and back and for the multiple nuclear deterrence. it was in my family. my father worked so many hours
overtime during the 1960's. they even paid triple time back then on holidays. if you went in on christmas or thanksgiving to meet a deadline because it was such a rush to meet these deadlines for the end of the decade, they paid triple time. companies don't do that anymore. they don't take care of their people like that. host: ok. that is david in chicago calling to talk about the work aspects of the apollo 11 and the manpower that took place to make it happen. that is one of the writing things you can talk about this morning. when it comes to things that were taken from the moon, you will remember part of the purpose of the moon mission was to take samples from the surface of the moon, and those samples still being analyzed and looked at today. this is from the lunar and planetary institute telling us 22 kilograms of material were
taken from the surface of the moon. that translates to roughly 50 pounds total. that includes lunar soil samples two tubes ofl us material from the moon surface was also taken. that was some of the purpose of the mission and the things taken and brought back to earth from the efforts of apollo 11. this is christie from huntsville. caller: good morning. host: you are on. go ahead. caller: i probably watched it, but i was only 10 years old, so i don't remember. i live in huntsville, where it all began. i used to hear the rocket tests. it was amazing. i still here rocket tests out there on the arsenal.
my good friend, her grandfather was the head of operation paperclip. i just feel proud living in huntsville, alabama, where it all began. is huntsville still a major problem when it comes to space exploration? how much work still goes on to this day? caller: it is not as much space as it is army. it is a redstone arsenal. it is an army base as well. lucky in marshall space flight center in the past, but my dad was with ibm. we got transferred to huntsville in 1965. rocket testing was being done at that point. it was earth shattering to hear those rockets test. it was cool.
as a kid it was very cool. from that is christie huntsville. once president kennedy decided he wanted to send a man to the moon to put efforts across the u.s. to make that happen, alabama being one of those major locations were the work of the apollo mission would take place, and you can still see evidence there at that is in. james and arlington, texas. good morning. caller: good morning. my dad was a senior engineer on the apollo program. he worked for north american aviation out of southern california. he basically worked on almost anything from the launch escape towers down to the first stage. how much did he talk about it? you are on. go ahead. how much did he talk about it at
home? caller: there were certain things he did not talk about, but at the same time when apollo 7, 8, 9, and 10 when they returned to earth, we had a big at the facility, and the astronauts would be flown in for a ceremony, so we would all see in cars,riven by us and then we would be allowed to look at the capsules, which had recovered and been saved, so we ei room, we called the d which had a lot of exhibits in it, and people would get a chance to see that. well into the 1980's in fact. i would see the service module, capsules, eventually the mockup of the shuttles.
there were a number of things that we were aware of. , i waswas 10 years old to the sealdad beach facility. they had a big event for the delivery of the last second stage for the saturn five. they opened up the doors on the assembly building, so i am witnessing this massive second stage being rolled out. it is quite an impression on a 10 euro. host: are you in the science field or anything related because of those influences? sister and i both followed my father into engineering. i worked for 11 years until 2009 in shuttle support and support for the international space
station. initially i was a mcdonnell douglas employee, but we got bought by boeing. a sister worked for rockwell. their assets were bought out by boeing. at thistill working time, although she is about to retire. we did a recent poll from viewers in conjunction with ipsos taking a look on space issues. one of those things that were found at the top of the list people want nasa to pursue, environmental efforts. lower on the list, efforts like going back to the moon, going to mars. what do you think of that, and he still support this idea of manned spaceflight? that color is gone. we will go to cap the ne -- caller is gone.
we will go to kathy. caller: i was four years old. i remember it vividly. everyone was glued to the tv. i was worried in the astronauts down the ladder that he would sink in like in quicksand. my dad explained to me that because the lunar lander did not sink in that the astronaut would be ok. host: that's a vivid memory of yours, what else do you remember? caller: i remember everybody being very excited and thinking this is a great day and that we can do anything. think mannedstill spaceflight should be a priority for the u.s.? caller: yes. host: why so?
caller: i think we should start by increasing the number or size of our orbiting a stations establishing a colony on the moon, and then going to mars. that is christie in missouri. website, thatur poll hasos information about the priorities nasa should pursue. a lot of information available at c-span.org. we are at the national air and space museum in washington, d.c., as we talk about the 50th anniversary of the apollo 11 mission. you can follow along on her facebook feed and twitter feed. you can follow along on american history tv's facebook and
twitter feeds. virginia, personnel, george, you are on. caller: good morning. i remember it very well. i was in norfolk for duty for the weekend. and i was driving back on 95 on the radio. i got tears in my eyes. time,s i was 27 at the 28. it is part of history, and the other thing i remember, when they lost sputnik. that was impressive also. it was a great time to be alive. do you think the historical significance of apollo 11 still resonates to this day? caller: i think very much so. in the d.c. area, we have a lot of government things.
the significance of it is incredible. all the side benefits of all this technology, the cell phones, the gps, i guess medical devices using fancy electronics. project like this accelerates all that. it may have happened, but i don't think it would have happened as quickly without this project. host: we will hear from jim in ohio. hi there. caller: good morning, pedro. thanks for c-span. if that were the only channel on my tv, i would keep it. i was the young man watching this with my future wife and her family in 1969. unless my memory fails me, i think we went outside to try to look up at the moon when that
happened and just sort of imagined we could see something that was going on. it is a thing a young person would do. maybe i drink that. i think we did it. -- i dreamed that. i think we did it. pipefitter,rentice and i went back to college and became a science teacher for 38 years. i don't know if i can draw a straight line from the moon landing to becoming a science teacher, but i can at least draw a crooked line. i still get emotional when i hear the replay of the landing. i guess i was glad to hear the caller from virginia who said he got emotional. maybe that is what drove me into the science classroom. an interesting aside, my
son was born nine months to the day after the moon landing. draw a know if i can straight line on that one either. thank you for giving us a chance to reflect on the hard point of american history. host: thank you for the call. we appreciate it. things left on the moon. a couple of things the astronauts were trying to shed some of the weight from the lunar module before it left the surface of the moon. they have a list of some of those things. it was that section of the eagle as it was known. apparently it was nicknamed during the spaceflight itself. an american flag. you will remember that, iconic american flag placed on the surface of the moon. other mementos honoring the apollo one crew. you heard another caller reference that in which the
three astronauts died. a small goodwill disc. tools, trash, and as they tell us including human waste left on the surface of the moon. you can find out more when you go to the nasa website. more available on c-span3. we will go to bobby in maryland. you are next. caller: good morning. apollo 11.orted the i watched it that morning with my three children. i had no furniture. we had a 12 inch black and white tv. i went on to support the other apollo missions. thousands of contractors were involved. i don't think people realize how many different contractors are involved in these missions. have thousands of us worked.
producedular group documents on the council. we told the astronauts what they were going to do every minute, including the music that would wake them up in the morning. we worked hard, so many hours. we went on to support all the other apollo missions, including all the space shuttle missions. wrote the original launch and landing procedures. i went on to support. i retired in 2011. the last mission i worked on launched in 2012. it was an exciting time we worked on. it has been an exciting space program. it is so exciting. i want us to go back to the moon. i want us to go to mars. i think it is all just wonderful.
i enjoyed every second. host: before you go, a couple of questions. he said he wanted to go back to .he moon, go back to mars should that strictly be a nasa think? a lot of private companies are involved in this process. caller: private companies have always been involved. nasa has been made up 80% of private companies. they put out tons of contracts, and they award tons of contracts to private companies. honeywell is very much involved. lucky is very much involved. there are thousands of small businesses involved across the country could i don't think people realize that, but nasa is made up of tons of private contractors, thousands of them. companies with 40,000 people to companies with six people.
there have always been private companies involved. that is bobby in columbia, maryland. here is marcia. good morning. i am calling on the line for all others because i have a somewhat unusual, completely neutral position on watching the moon landing, and that is entirely circumstantial. that evening, i was 23 years old. i had just been married for two years. had just bought our first house, and moved in less than a month before that. we had furniture store in my parents house. parents'rniture in his house. we were moving back and forth by hand with a little travel trailer.
that was a saturday night. i was a church organist. i did not even consider putting in our 10 inch, black and white tv to try to watch on saturday night because i had to get up early sunday morning. i cannot say i am for or against anything because i never got to watch it. i think the first time i watched it, some reruns probably 10 years afterwards. when we got to the first decade anniversary. of course, we read it in the newspapers. newspapers were everywhere. we probably got somebody else's sunday paper that next morning because having just moved in, we would not have had newspaper delivery to the house, but -- host: any regrets you did not
see it firsthand? no, and i would not have been able to because we would have to stick one of those antennas on the roof. i am 73. i'm sure anybody else in my age bracket will remember those cable tv, very little if any. if you did not get a picture on your rabbit ears, you have to stick one of those things on your roof. host: got you. that is bobby. thanks for the story. we are going to take a cause. you can continue calling. (202) 748-8000 if you watched the moon landing. for all others (202) 748-8001. we will hear from the director of the national air and space museum about her impressions of apollo 11 and how the
smithsonian handles this kind of topic and what they relate to people who visit in d.c.. a program from moonwalk one was produced from nasa. part of that program included an animation that was advanced for the time that showed the various steps of the apollo 11 mission. here it is. [video clip] >> the flight began with a vertical lift through the lower atmosphere and a tilt to the east. at 6000 miles per hour, the empty first stage is discarded to save weight. with the second stage firing, it reaches 15,000 miles per hour when it is jettisoned. stage places apollo in earth orbit. when the spacecraft has been thoroughly checked out by the crew, the third stage fires
again, it's speed caring it free from the grip of earth's gravity. outward, theg command service model separates and docs for access to the lunar module. the empty third stage is left behind. speed throughout 9/10 of his journey until the moon's gravity overcomes the pull of earth, and apollo fires in reverse direction, slowing down enough to be captured in orbit about the moon. armstrong and aldrin enter the lunar module, which separates, leaving collins in the command service module. and breaks to a touchdown on the lunar surface. host: from the smithsonian
national air and space museum, our program is being based today as we talk about the influence of apollo 11. good morning. guest: good morning. i guess from a museum perspective, this is one you have to memorialize. how do you do that? apollowe hold the memorabilia not just for the nation but for the world. more than half of our population was born post-apollo. how do you bring that sense of wonder and excitement and achievement that we do, so you have to go big. host: how do you go about that? guest: it is a combination of history. making sure people understand it was in the context of the cold war, talking about a lot of the origins. what i have been trying to come back to again and again, it took 400,000 americans to make this
happen from seamstresses who made the spacesuits to engineers who designed the rockets to the astronauts who ultimately flew on them. it is that idea of teamwork we have been trying to get across this summer. been doing a lot of events at the museum, a lot of lectures. we have been trying to reach people all around the u.s.. washington, we have been projecting a saturn five rocket onto the national monument -- washington monument, and we have been watching it, not the monument, just the rocket. host: what was the inspiration behind the? guest: two of my very creative staff members said we had to do something on a grand scale. how do you bring that excitement of a launch to this generation?
i think we have succeeded. when they see that giant rocket on the monument, and the monument-ish shaped the bit like a rocket, and then the show we have run last night and tonight that tells the story of apollo and really puts it in the context of kennedy's rice university speech, because that is another big aspect. like whatds to feel is next? things that those was asked of respondents is worst be a priority for nasa. , how does thatt strike you? i actually agree. climate is the most important thing we can be working on
because the threat of climate change is so real and important. nasa plays a critical role in that. nasa plays a critical role in pushing technology forward. i think it is a false choice between looking at nasa's budget and trying to solve all the problems. nasa does need to send humans to the moon. they are going to discover life of all not only on the moon but on mars. i think if we have learned nothing else will apollo, when a society does something really hard and challenging, it brings the world together. it pushes your society forward. it inspires a generation of scientists and engineers. behind you is lunar module two. people will ask you if this was
the real thing that went to the moon. we get that question a lot. it was a test article. is one of them. all kinds of testing was done by nasa on it at the end of the program, we got it here to display. you talk also about the spacesuits. talk about that process. the spacesuits are almost individual spacecraft. for thed to store air astronauts, keep them protected from the lunar environment. they were complex. they were made to protect the astronauts on the moon, but they were not made to last 50 years. the suits are made up of 21 layers. those are starting to degrade. it has been off display for 13 years to keep it out of the
light, and to work on how to stabilize those layers and make repairs to the suit without changing because we don't want to clean the lunar dust that still remains on the suit, claim that off. how do we make it good for generations to come? we have a special manikin inside the suit that helps air circulate so we can maintain temperature and humidity conditions. it is in great shape. visitors can come and see it. will it be the only suit that gets refurbished? we have learned a lot of technics that we will slowly be applying to the other suits in our collection so they last a long time. most of our students are stored in a dark room with very controlled conditions to protect them. host: what are the common
questions that are asked of you or others here about the missions? guest: people want to know the human stories behind it. who were the people that were involved in the missions? the other thing is they really want to touch something, and we don't normally let people touch things, but that is what one of our most popular exhibits is where you can touch him -- touch a moon rock in the is in. host: what were done with the moon rocks? guest: they are available at johnson space center. they are still available for research. the moon is possibly a piece of the that came off very early in
the earth's history. helping us understand the moon helps us understand this planet. moon tells us the what the early history of the earth was like. moved science forward. life, youour previous worked at nasa. what were you involved in? guest: i was involved in looking at all the science projects across nasa and moving them forward and getting humans to mars in 2030. host: what do you think has to be considered if that is the long-term goal? guest: i think we are in great shape to get humans to mars. when president kennedy made the moon, we dido the not even know some of the technologies that needed to be developed. to go to mars, because of our long experience, have answered most of the westerns.
we know what we need to do. it is a question of the national will. host:e do you think the will is there3? do you think the will is there? guest: i do. wonder if we have the national commitment to stick with it. what encourages me is the u.s. would not geo alone this time. we would go with international partners and private companies. int: you are involved renovations at the national air and space museum. what is going on here? building was built 43 years ago. we have to do major repair work on the outside of the building. we have closed half of the museum, and we are renovating that half.
in three and a half years, we will open a new gallery and then begin on the east end. in the end, we will have a completely reimagined museum that will be a true center for inspiration for kids. one of the things i am most concerned about his own to make sure every kid comes in this museum and see stories of people who look like them who have done amazing things in air and space. host: what do you think of the untold stories of the people behind apollo 11? what should people know? know thosele should people look like all of our population. when we think of apollo 11, we mission astronauts and control. let's face it, all those people looked the same. kid, i looked at
that, and i said people who look like me don't do things like this. there were people of color, they wereolor, involved in the entire project, and we need to tell their stories. i know we have talked about it a little bit, but your most distinct impression about apollo 11? the longest lasting impression is when we put our minds to a problem, we can overcome it if we have the national will come if we use teamwork and determination. host: this is the director of the national air and space is in. thank you for housing is today. thank you for your time. guest: thank you. host: we are going back to your calls. you can call us at (202) 748-8000 if you watched the moon
landing. for all others (202) 748-8001. if you are watching this on you can do so and join in the conversation in a variety of ways you can post on american history tv, give your impressions of apollo 11 and what is going on on this 50th anniversary. on their twitter feed, you can take part in a poll as well and give your impressions. all that is available at c-span.org. this is from sarah in lawrenceville, georgia. thank you for waiting. go ahead. what are your impressions of apollo 11? caller: it was an amazing event. i was 18 years old. i had just joined the navy about a week and a half before that, so i was in boot camp in great lakes, illinois.
itwere pretty excited about because we were going to get to watch television. it was sunday night. we piled into a little room. we got to sit down and watch the moon landing. it was pretty exciting. everybody was pretty jazzed about it. bet, a $50 bet that we would not get to the moon. i said i would take that bet. she wrote me how to check because she knew i was going to be going to the navy. back, i found the check in my parents house after boot camp, and she did not sign it. so i never got paid. host: go ahead. go ahead. some interesting things
about apollo 11, 1 of them is the very first silicon computer was on that vehicle. developed bytware m.i.t. that was used to actually do the landing. started the digital revolution which came out of that program. another interesting thing i read about on facebook, a friend of mine came out of the video industry. an engineer said the original data tapes had been lost. that camera they have on the lunar craft, in the images looked pretty bad because they had to take that data and convert the signal. the original data tapes were lost. i seem to recall they found those tapes, and what happened was nasa decided to sell off a
copy of the tapes in 1976 at a surplus sale, and some intern bought those tapes, and they were the original tapes that the guy bought. host: they are being auctioned off today in new york. they are expected to fetch a price of about a million dollars. why were you so convinced the moon would happen? caller: i was an 18-year-old kid. i did not see any reason how we would fail. host: ok. daniel is next in tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning, sir. you are on. go ahead. caller: i worked at cape canaveral during that time. i've been there for 30 years.
i was so proud of it. i have a series of pictures on my wall in my garage. it shows all the steps up to the landing. so proud of it. i watch it all the time and look at it and feel good about it. it was such a great thing for our country, and i was so glad to be part of it. worried thatu things would go wrong during the mission? launch that iry was working, we were always worried about something happening, of course. it, andprayed through it happened well, and everything went well. i'm so proud of our country that they were able to do that. from nancy richmond, virginia, also watched the moon landing. caller: good morning.
i am so delighted to be here this morning. watching --emember 1957, i remember watching sputnik with my dad, and he said one day america would get into space,. in high school, i watched the mercury. and then in college, i watched the program. my first year of teaching, i had the wonderful opportunity thanks to what is now the virginia commonwealth university. they offered to richmond school teachers the opportunity to take a class in aerospace education. first-year year teacher, this was such a wonderful opportunity because the air national guard took us to the kennedy center and gave us a marvelous to our. i actually stood under an apollo rocket as it was being built.
it was the most fascinating thing i think i have ever seen next to michelangelo's great statues. i was thrilled. the following year in charlottesville, my father with me and my mother watched that marvelous moment when neil armstrong took that first step onto the moon. we were in great hope. i think even today, i think of the courage and the trust that our astronauts put into the brilliance of the so many who cooperated and developed the technology that our country continues to be so proud of. the fact that we were a free country going into space and leading that. i am so proud we now have an international space station. i think it is essential. i have continued to follow the program.
i taught for 35 years, mainly at quantico. my students were from all over the world. i did use that class, even though i taught english. there was not a year that went by that my students were not aware that i was a lunatic. continue to follow this program. i have just finished reading one giant leap. failure is not an option. i am wearing an apollo t-shirt all day today where i live from the age of 12 until 73. i remain glued to a program that i think is so essential for our country to accept such wonderful challenges and to cooperate and do something that brings
positive vibrations to people of diversity, people all over the world who can get excited about something that is so grand. host: that is nancy giving us a lot of history and her personal interest in the apollo program. thank you for the call. (202) 748-8000 if you watched the moon landing. (202) 748-8001 for all others. if you want to tell stories like nancy did, feel free to do that. we'll go to carol and south carolina. good morning. i have a slightly different perspective. i did not watch it, but i heard it. i was in the u.s. air force at the time stationed in vietnam, and we could not see the video, but we had live audio. we had to imagine what pictures
were being broadcast to the rest of the world. it was a sense of pride for everybody, although i think this significance of it may have been lost on us at the time. host: what was it like hearing the audio and then when you finally had a chance to see pictures or video of what was going on. caller: we got the video for the film probably the next day. it was standing room only to try to get in to see it, and then we put the audio together with the pictures, and it made it a whole lot more realistic, but we had to imagine when we were hearing the audio what other people were seeing. host: what was the emotion like for you and the others listening? it was mixed because we could not really understand what was going on although we were
hearing it. what we really keyed in on is what mission control was saying back to all current -- buzz aldrin and armstrong. we could understand what their process was and what they were doing at the time. host: carol from south carolina heard the mission before seeing the video and pictures. let's go to marlene in new hampshire. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: good morning. i am watching the show on american history tv, and i am just finding the whole space mission replay is just amazing. i was 20 years old at the time, just given birth to my second child. it was just a totally amazing event for me and my son, who is
now 48 asked to me at one time to please write down all the things i have seen in my lifetime, and this has got to be one of the top things i have ever seen. thank you for letting me share that. before you go, why is it top of the list? caller: we came out of an age where the kids played flash gordon, and all these make-believe space things, and here it is real. it is happening right in front of us. today, kidsurally need to be more and more aware of this. they need to be more involved. we need to get our future scientists -- we need to keep this going. aware of not only our
history but our future. i do.caller:think host: why is that? caller: i don't think they should be abandoned, no. host: i was asking if you think command spaceflight should still be an effort? if they should make the effort? caller: yes, i do. i believe they do. i think it's important not only as a country but as a world. on,ink it should continue yes. host: ok. marlene in dover giving her experiences and remembrances of the apollo 11 mission on the 50th anniversary. we will hear from willie and
stearns, kentucky. caller: thanks. i am fortunate enough to have a book of every front page of the columbus dispatch. it is dated july 21, 1969. writerfriend of mine, a -- the dispatch ironically strong's mother -- neil armstrong's mother said she might sink into the surface of the moon. i thought that was kind of ironic. i did too. it seems like a dream. exploration, ie think it would be like watching the beatles on ed sullivan.
you can only do that once. we did it. we did it. againno reason to do it because we already did it. host: ok. kentuckyillie and giving his impression on apollo 11. our program in conjunction with american history tv based on the national air and space museum. we will continue until 10:00 talking about this 50th anniversary of apollo 11. joining us next is john logsdon, the founder of george washington university's space policy institute and author of "john f. kennedy: the race for the moon." 1962,back to september of it was then when president
kennedy gave his moon speech at rice university in houston, texas. [video] >> why the moon? why choose this is our goal? they may well ask, why climb the highest mountain? ago fly the atlantic? we choose to go to the moon. --choose to go to the moon we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy but because they are hard. because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of becausegies and skills, that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one intent -- we intend to win, and
the others too. if i were to say that we 240,000nd to the moon miles away from the control station in houston a giant tall, more than 300 feet the length of this football field, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented, capable of standing heat and stresses several times more than ever experienced, fitted together with a position better than the finest watch, carrying all the equipment dated propulsion, guidance, control, communication, food and survival, on an untried mission to an unknown celestial body at then return it safely to earth, reentering the atmosphere at speeds of over 25,000 miles per hour, causing heat half that the
temperature of the sun, almost as hot as it is here today, and do all this and do it right and do it first because -- before this decade is out, we must be bold. today.0 years ago we are celebrating the landing of apollo 11 on the moon. the launch a couple of days before that. talking about historical, cultural and scientific significance today. joining us is john logsdon, the founder of the space poly institute at george washington university. author of the book "john f. kennedy in the race to the moon." what was the driver president kennedy? guest: competition. the soviet union defined its space success as an indication of the superiority of the communist way of life. 2019 hard to re-create in
the zero-sum cold war competition of the late 1950's and early 1960's, but it was very real to kennedy. the idea that space was a measure of national vitality and that the u.s. was behind was not acceptable to him. after the launch of your regard gargarin, anduri i'm quoting from a memo, dramatic results in which we could win. the answer came back, let's go to the moon. host: when kennedy the pitch the congress how was it received? guest: the first pitch in may of 1961 before a joint session of congress and he said i believe we should go to the moon before the decade is out, the reaction was very positive. kennedy proposed a very significant budget increase and it was passed with very few
opposing votes in the summer of 1961 and nasa was on its way. host: what was the role of lyndon baines johnson? guest: he was the vice president. had been involved in setting up nasa back in 1958. foras clearly a cheerleader a very ambitious space program. when kennedy decided it was important for national purposes he basically took the issue back from vice president johnson invaded a presidential issue. -- and made it a presidential issue. johnson was involved what kind of on the margins. host: when it comes to public sentiment at the time for kennedy's proposal, how would you gauge that? guest: there was a poll in 1961 before kennedy's speech asking if you're willing to spend x billion dollars to go to the moon and 60% of the public said
no. this was a leadership position. it did not come out of a groundswell of public demand for a major space initiative. host: john logsdon, our guest for this segment. if you want asking questions, you can do so. if you watched the moon landing, (202) 748-8000. if your on the line for others, (202) 748-8001. you provided us a picture of the day of the launch. you are highlighted in that picture. what were you doing that day and your impressions of that day? guest: i was chosen in 1960 seven as a grad student at new york university and as a faculty member at catholic university in washington to write my phd dissertation on kennedy's decision to go to the moon. by 1969, i was pretty well done and the book was on the way to being published. "the decision to go to the moon." i had been working with nasa in
the research. that earned me a press pass and an invitation to the launch. i was at the press site at kennedy space center, about as close as a civilian could be to launch on that morning at 9:32 a.m. i don't know if you're showing the picture but that is me in the red circle. an unforgettable experience. the sheer power of the saturn five launch, the low-frequency noise which could physically be felt in your body. acceleration. it seemed to hover before a gathered speed and headed off. you knew you were seeing something that would go down in the end of human history. host: what was your level of confidence at the time you saw the launch that the mission could be accomplished? guest: probably higher than the crew. they knew a lot more than i did.
armstrong was quoted as saying he thought there would be a 90% success to get to the moon and back. 50% that the landing be successful. i guess by that time that was high confidence. nasa had pulled off the very bold step of sending people around the moon on apollo 8 in december of 1968. christmas eve. thinking stood there this is going to happen. host: the first call comes from augustine, georgia. you are on with our guest, john logsdon. founder of the space policy institute. go ahead. caller: yes. i want to say thank you to all of theeople nasa who made it possible. i was a nine-year-old kid watching -- when they were in
orbit, we were at my grandpa's house. by the time we got home to indiana we watched them actually land. was basically in charge of our little family because my father was off fighting in the war called vietnam. i don't know what they did in totnam as far as listening the broadcast from nasa. remember playing with a little card boy toy that you got from the gulf station. it was hung from a string and you pretended it was a cardboard model of the lunar module that you pretended to be landing with. we were huddled around the tv set at that time. host: gotcha. the public sentiment of the time of the lunch versus the public
sentiment leading up to the launch? guest: by the time of the launch and particularly after the success of apollo 8 there was a building -- not only in the united states but the world was watching. the third of the three communications satellites necessary for global communication had just been put in orbit a few weeks earlier. this was the first event that was watched internationally. something like 600 million people were watching or listening as armstrong and aldrin descended to the surface. this was around the world, not just the united states. host: how did russia react to it? guest: it's interesting. i always thought russia did not broadcast it in real time. i was listening to a call-in
show like this with a woman that said she was in the soviet union and they were watching it live. that is contrary to my impression but she was there and i wasn't. it certainly was not big news in the russian papers. host: let's hear from grand rapids, michigan. lanay? caller: hello. and thank youay for taking my call. host: go ahead. caller: it's my birthday. i was turning 15 today we landed on the moon. today i am 65, celebrating the 50th anniversary and my birthday at the same time. host: happy birthday. caller: thank you. i remember watching the moon landing with my family gathered around our tv set. listening to walter cronkite.
date isy that excitement of the landing on the moon. not only for the first steps for happenednd all that with that, but also because -- i don't know how many people is in cancer in the month of july. when you look at the zodiac, the only planet is the moon for the month of july. that't know if nasa knew when they landed just before leo, which is ruled by the sun. host: thank you and happy birthday to you. anything that? -- from that? guest: several people have talked about watching the moon landing. there was no camera that caught the landing at 417 in the
afternoon -- 4:17 in the afternoon. there was a cam that caught armstrong's first set. the landing was a simulation of various networks. they puzzled about how to show this. if they have been able to show the reality, it would have shown something really remarkable. as has been said in the last few days, right before the landing the lunar module pitched over and armstrong and aldrin first over the redheaded, it was a rocky field full of boulders and not suitable for landing. neil had to take over and fly the lunar module parallel to the lunar surface for a few seconds. i'm sure longer than that. they landed with 17 seconds of fuel left. it was a remarkable piloting achievement. host: the scientific efforts at the time, talk about that. what was involved with the
module itself, getting it developed and getting it ready to go? your viewersect can see the lunar module over my shoulder. it's a very weird looking spacecraft because it was designed -- nasa chose a way of getting to the moon that had a mothership go to lunar orbit. that mothership was designed to get the lunar orbit and get the crew back to earth. it had the fuel in the heatshield for reentry. then there was a separate lunar module that was only for going to lunar orbit to the surface. did not have to deal with the atmosphere or with atmospheric thisures and the skin of was basically paperthin. it is not a strong spacecraft but it was optimized for that one purpose and did it very well.
host: was this the final design? guest: this is real. host: how many versions were designed before they came up with the final design? guest: from the time this approach called lunar orbit rendezvous was chosen in 1962 to the final versions built, a x -- with xth being a big number design. they were great incentives to grumman to shave every pound possible off the spacecraft. ready after the fire to resume flights, the module was not ready. one of the reasons we sent apollo 8 around the moon was a way of testing the whole system except for the lunar module, which if we had waited for the lunar module, it could have
potentially delayed meeting kennedy's end of the decade deadline. guest johns for our logsdon. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have two short stories. i was in vietnam in 1969. we did not know for a couple of days. somebody passed me in the mess hall and said by the way we landed on the moon. when? a couple of days ago, like it was nothing. that was what was going on when i served in the army. the second story was my old neighborhood, there was a gentleman who never served. he was the only father on the block that never served in world war ii. ago when i read the obituary for when he passed
away, i find out why. in world war ii he designed bombs for the air force. came to the lunar --ding he also designed two it was in his obituary -- he designed two of the electric motors on the lem. i'm calling because i'm so proud i lived so close to a dolmen that had to do with the space program. thank you. host: thank you, caller. guest: this was a truly national effort to get those two people on the moon and the 10 people that followed. only 12 people walked on the moon. our are still alive. 400,000 people worked more or less directly on apollo. it was a very peaceful but warlike mobilization of human and financial resources, which
is unlikely to happen again. host: how did armstrong, aldrin and collins -- how were they to become the ones to do this mission? guest: as they all say over and over again, mainly luck. there was a rotation of crew. if you are the back of crew on a particular mission -- back of crew on a particular mission -- rew, aldrin and armstrong were back up to apollo 8. collins had surgery. 11, by normalo rotation they were the prime crew. it was not at all given that apollo 11 would be first. it was going to be the first attempt, but there were lots of things that could happen to make
it not successful. i think the nasa management recognized that the piloting skills and personality of neil armstrong made him an ideal person to be first. host: what was it about that personality? solid,steady, calm, exuding confidence. not calling attention to himself. a true leader to the team. the kind of personality that he demonstrated after the mission, and i will get a cheap shot in here, and was not portrayed in the first manned movie. that was not an accurate portrayal of the neil armstrong i knew. host: from orlando, richard. go ahead. caller: good morning. good morning, america.
i had the pleasure of visiting the kennedy space center twice. once when i was four, and of course back then you were allowed into the vehicle assembly building. saw theirst went i gemini spacecraft in the building. i thought, wow, that was huge. the spacecraftk in the building then was apollo 13. gosh, this, oh my thing is a monster. by that time i was a young teenager. know,lucky enough to, you have a big zenith television. it was black-and-white and that was ok with us. off it justtook
seemed like it took forever for that spacecraft to clear the gantry. once it cleared the gantry, all of a sudden it was like boom. about look at the footage halfway up you see where the sonic boom rolled off the top of the spacecraft. land, my father was a science teacher and he was very encouraging, took me to nasa every chance he could. when they were going to land and i was watching them and i was hearing 60 seconds, my dad came flying into the house because he was a real estate broker. dad, what does 60 seconds mean? they have 60 seconds of fuel left. oh wow.
it did not look like they were going to be close to the ground at all. logsdon? guest: it was charlie duke who later walked on the moon on apollo 16 that was the capsule communicator. he was calling out the time of the fuel. when it got down to 30 seconds i was interacting with charlie earlier this week and he tells the story. by the time they got to 30 seconds and they were picking up some dust, whatever the rules were about calling it, he knew armstrong was going to land. he had the final authority. he knew where they were vis-a-vis the lunar surface. armstrong was the man to be able to pilot that spacecraft to the landing. took a lot of nerves of steel to do it. host: what was it about where
they landed on the moon? why there? it wasbasically because the easiest place to get to. apollo 11 was fundamentally a demonstration of the ability to land on the moon and get back. they did a little science but very little science. it was a demonstration that we could meet kennedy's goal of landing a man of the moon and returning them safely to earth before the decade was out. they were looking at all the the twobotic and missions that i got to the moon, apollo 8 and apollo 10. they had looked for the best, easiest landing site and picked the sea of tranquility. spotrned out the specific the guidance system picked was it wrong spot, but overall was kind of a flat place to
linda spacecraft with minimum risk. host: from alabama, jimmy is on with john logsdon. caller: hi. [indiscernible] thousands of people at come up to see it. on thats in the dust caravan. ok, thanks caller. guest: i basically did not hear much of that. did you understand? host: let's go to new york. sally in schenectady. caller: thank you. i have a question for mr. logsdon. i watched the landing from bogota, colombia. i was on vacation with my parents. we were in a big hotel and there
was one television in the television room. whichched it communally, is in itself a gift. i heard a bit of walter cronkite. . heard a lot of la luna the best part was the next day as he walked around the streets of bogota, people knew we were north americans. , as ifuld say felicidad we had anything to do with it at all. my question for mr. logsdon. i would like you to comment on the role that george low played in initiating this project. thank you. he was a nasa career engineer in the organization that proceeded nasa. he did the first
study of the technical requirements for landing on the moon at nasa headquarters. it was his study that allowed nasa to say to president kennedy give us enough money and we can do this. george, who had the fortune of knowing fairly well, moved to houston for the establishment of the new manned spacecraft center and was a number two person to the center director. after the apollo 1 fire he devoted himself to be the head of the apollo spacecraft program. he was one that oversaw the redesign of the command and service module to get rid of all the problems that were the source of the fire that killed grissom, chaffee and white. he was kind of an unsung hero of apollo in my view. ago i got an email
from his daughter who was in the washington area saying i would like to get together and share memories of george lowe. i'm very much looking forward to that. it is good that you know that, sally. are you near rpi? host: i don't think she is on the line. who was the other unsung heroes in your mind? guest: the man that came over the idea of lunar orbit rendezvous, john hubolt. i'm in that managed human spaceflight. i'm washington named george miller, spelled mueller. he was able to manage the program to success and keep the relationships with the contractors and with congress going. siemens, thebob
number one and never three officials at nasa. they were steady and cap the program on target. host: this is john logsdon, katter of the space policy institute at george washington university. he is author of "john f. kennedy and the race for the moon." caller: hello. my name is dottie drummond smith and i from atlanta georgia. my husband and i were interested in the space program during the 1960's. we actually were standing on the jetties at cape canaveral. guest: i'm sorry, i did not hear that. host: she was talking about and -- being in atlanta, georgia. try one more time please. caller: my husband and i were at cape canaveral. guest: i'm not hearing it. caller: we were watching when
john glenn in february of 1962. son was named scott after scott carpenter. guest: the second mercury astronaut in orbit. caller: that is correct. guest:then my husband and i, wee watching the moon landing and jumping up and down with a bunch of enthusiasm and excitement with the landing in 1969. we actually grew up -- dottie.at is guest: i have a john glenn story. i was working in manhattan in a totally different field, technical writing, in 1962. on march 1, i went over a couple of streets over to watch john
glenn parade through manhattan after his 1962 orbital flight. that is what got me interested in the space program. there was a direct line between john glenn and my career. i had the good fortune of being able to say that. glenn later inr life. , ohio.m cincinnati glenn is an ohio person and armstrong was an ohio person. that is very gratifying. host: how were they received when they came back to earth? guest: on august 13, they started with a tickertape parade in new york. chicagow air force 2 to for a different tickertape parade. then they flew to los angeles for a banquet presided over by president nixon. nixon sent them on a
giant tour around the world. 29 cities in 36 days or something like that. one of your callers said she saw that she was in bogota, colombia, the first stop on this giant steps tour. they got unanimous acclaim. the world said to them we did it. we, the world, landed on the moon. the idea this was an effort of all humanity i think was very powerful and very successful. host: this is lisa from louisville, kentucky. caller: thank you for c-span. i appreciate this segment today. i remember in 1969, our neighborhood talked about nothing that day but the moon landing. we decided to get together and do something. i was only 11. one of our neighbors took a little -- i can't member it was a zenith or motorola tv. we ran an extension cord to the window and somebody had a -- so
we could get good reception. the whole neighborhood was sitting there on that night in 1969 watching the moon landing. i have four heroes in my life. muhammad ali, jfk, neil armstrong and john mccain. two of them had to do with a great moon landing. it seems like after that science boomed in schools. we did all kinds of aerospace projects, all kinds of moon talk. it was a wonderful time and i was so happy i could see it. host: thank you so much. guest: it was great to be alive and be aware of what was happening. sending people to the moon was remarkable. it has been since december of 1972 that anybody has been back. well past time for us to return. host: what do you think is the sentiment now when it comes to spaceflight, manned spaceflight,
human spaceflight versus what you've experienced with apollo 11? guest: it is good you say not manned spaceflight. human spaceflight. thecurrent policy of west government is the first person to go back will be a woman. president trump and vice president pence had declared the intent to get back to the moon within the next five years, 2024. there is a program. that was unveiled yesterday called artemis. , a challenge but kennedy's. the american public is in a kind of excitement of this anniversary celebration. it's interesting in seeing united states lead an international public private
private -- public-private coalition of countries to get back to the moon as soon as possible. host: did that sentiment after the apollo 11 mission -- what was it like? how would you gauge it? guest: ifguest: you gauge it by the media, always a little risky, by apollo 12 in november 1969 until apollo 13 with its problems, television networks had stopped live coverage of the missions. if that's an indication of their judgment of public interest, it waned quickly. it was repetitive. all you were doing was landing in a different spot. it transitioned from being something that captivated the world to voyages of expiration. -- those thatstan were close were interested.
1972, anything related to flying to the moon could be described as routine. people began to accept we can do this. interestse public really dissipated quickly. host: is mars achievable as far as human spaceflight? guest: achievable. achievable win is a different question. when is able different question. most of the technologies we need to get humans to mars are achievable. we really don't know how to protect the crew from radiation in a long voyage. we should have a better repulsion system -- propulsion system. i nuclear rocket engine that could cut it down from nine months to a couple of months. that developed the systems
would maximize the mission, i think it is achievable by mid century if not sooner. host: from murphy, north carolina, jack. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. armstrongeard that was specifically selected because he was a civilian. is there any truth to that? armstrong selected because he was a civilian? was --i don't think that it was certainly a consideration that neil -- almost all the astronauts of been military test pilots. neil was a test pilot but he was a civilian test pilot. i don't think that was very high on the list of selection criteria for the mission.
was in the rotation that made them the choice for the first landing attempt. then his bosses recognized he was particularly well-suited to be the first man. the fact he was a civilian may have been an element. in that host: from peoria, illinois. hi, i was a 20-year-old in college not knowing what i would do. nasa was on my list. i ended up being a college teacher. i have been a college professor for over 40 years teaching history of mathematics in particular. when i think about watching the 66 years as a, blink in the eye of the history of the world. 66 years after the wright brothers. i remember that hitting me. born twoy dad was just
years after the wright brothers and he was sitting there watching the plan on the moon. that was a perspective a lot of people lose. guest: right. a couple of things to say about that. at a ceremony the night before the launch of apollo 11, lindbergh was there. not very public. he did not like being out in public. berth, one of the three recognized rocket pioneers was there. there was a compression of history that indeed we stepped on the moon within 66 years of the wright brothers' first flight. american historian -- pardon me -- arthur/injure said when the history of the 20th century is recorded hundreds of years from now the one thing that will be remembered as apollo and apollo
11. we will see whether that is -- i won't see it, but that may either case. host: is it true that armstrong took of peace of the flyer with him? guest: he did. it's upstairs here today. -- neil's dedication was to the practice of flight. whether it is airplanes, rocket planes or spacecraft. the museum loaned him some pieces of the wright flyer to take to the moon to demonstrate that historical continuity. host: our conversation with john logsdon. he is author of "john f. kennedy and the race to the moon." founder of george washington university's space policy institute. thank you for your time today. we are there from the national air and space museum today as we talk about the 50th anniversary of the moon landing, the apollo 11 mission.
we are doing this program in conjunction with our associates at american history tv today. if you go to our website, the wreck in history tv website not only can you see everything we have taken in for this event, but also want american history tv all weekend long you can see programming specific to apollo 11. the best way to find out what is going on is that our website at c-span.org. in about 20 minutes we will be joined by one of the apollo 11 astronaut, pilot of the command module michael collins. we are continuing to your callas. -- calls. (202) 748-8000 if you watched the moon landing. (202) 748-8001 for all others. we want to show you a little bit from our washington journal program. it featured a conversation with a nasa and achieve the story bilberry. erry.lks of -- bill b
[video] >> the steps to get to the moon were extremely complex. we had never flown to the moon before with humans until december of 1968 on apollo 8. the first time we launched people in the saturn five rocket. it had over 3 million parts. it was full of explosive things. a big bomb designed to go off in a certain way. any number of things could have gone wrong. the saturn v performed beautifully. they were minor glitches to the engines but they were all recoverable things. it even got hit by lightning during the launch of apollo 12 and it kept chugging along and heading into orbit. a great vehicle. the other spacecraft for well-designed, very robust. a lot of the strength of the program came that we suffer disaster early on in 1967 with the apollo 1 fire. we lost the crew.
nasa and all the people working on the program, around 400,000 people, redoubled their efforts to fix every thing they could. we got lucky but we work. hard at it. host: on this 50th anniversary of apollo 11. we are taking your calls (202) 748-8000 if you watched the moon landing. for all others, (202) 748-8001. in just a few minutes we are said to be joined by michael collins, the commander of the pilot of- the module the command module. he will join us in just a bit. this is from timothy in maryland. thanks for holding on. go ahead. caller: yes. this is timothy from maryland. i'm excited to be on c-span. i was 10 years old before the landing. nasa's research program.
i have a question. --ay we have computer-based virtual reality. i'm curious about what kind of -- we have done. host: as far as simulators used today on the training of astronauts. -- astronauts? caller: or simulating the flight and the operation of the command module and reconnecting with the lunar module and making sure that was all going to be successful. host: david in palm beach, florida. good morning. your next. -- you are next. caller: can you hear me? host: you are on. i worked at kennedy space center for about 10 years
on the lunar module. the point i would like to make is i worked for grumman aerospace. there has never been a real credit -- a credit to the contractors that designed. designer, the the builder of the lunar module of grumman aerospace. it is that company that put everything together. it was never really mentioned. we the engineers and technicians that spent many hours -- we have never been credited with the work we did. i wish you would mention not just grumman but companies like trw, boeing, m.i.t. we made it possible for the astronauts to make it safely. you guys don't know really the technical problems we encountered. -- theto make sure
intense testing we did day and night until we were sure we had it safe and could get the astronauts to the moon and back. apollo 13. we used the light board to comebacker the moon and come back to the earth. i wish you guys would mention that because, yes, the astronauts deserve the glory. we the contractors made it possible. host: why do you think that's important to mention? why do you think it does not get mentioned a lot? is the glory read goes to the astronauts. there is no doubt about that. but there is never mentioned of the contractors who made this thing possible. we were slaves. you guys have no idea the technical problems we faced that we had to resolve and
demonstrate everything was ok before they get the spacecraft to nasa. it is the contractors who really put this thing together. host: ok. david. if you come to the national air and space museum, the lunar module 2, one of the many test lunar modules that are available. it gives you a good representation of what you might see if you had seen apollo 11 up close and personal. we are based out of the museum for our program today. the next call comes from alan in fort pierce, florida. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: this is so fascinating. i was 11 years old when i saw the moon launch and the moon landing. these guys were my heroes. this is so fascinating what you're doing. i want to mention i had a great
experience about 18 years ago. i worked at a community in port st. lucie, florida as a recreation director. there was a gentleman who was retired from the military, colonel roughly ems. he told me he -- ralph liam's. he told me he was -- colonel ralph williams. he was on the team that can look for a site for the space center. it was fascinating hearing this man talk. he would talk about what it was like coming down and looking for the location where they were going to put this space center. gas could if your talk about -- guest could talk about would lead up to that. host: he took off already. i apologize for that. as far as the heroes you spoke about, do they all stand in equal standing when it comes to your heroes? does one stand out over the other?
caller: all three of them were my heroes. when i was a kid my father had a portrait, a print of the one you showed. he had a framed portrait in his store. every time i stopped in the store i would look at that. all three of them for my heroes. -- were my heroes. it was amazing what they did. it was so cool they went up there and you can look at the moon and think men went up there and landed on the moon. it is great you are doing this whole program so people can recognize how important this was, how monumental this was. host: thank you for that. this program today, even though you are seeing it on c-span's washington journal, it's a production of american history tv which is c-span3 on the weekends. as far as their program for the weekend, a lot of programs dedicated to apollo 11.
if you want to get to the you can seepan.org, all the programs they have planned for today looking at this event. if you go to our website overall ,at c-span.org -- at c-span.org type in "moon landing" or "apollo," you can see the programs we have on this topic. all of that is available at c-span.org. bruce is up next. caller: hi. how are you this morning? host: bruce from argate city? let's try john from louisiana. go ahead. one more time for john. caller: 50 years ago, i was a lieutenant. host: we are taking calls at the air and space museum. watched8-8000 if you
the moon landing. (202) 748-8001 for all others. at ournot only tweet us , american history tv as well for a twitter feed. you can go to the poll. and otherl available things available on our facebook page. james from roanoke, new jersey -- roanoke, virginia. go ahead. caller: good morning. host: james from roanoke? caller: i would like to find out. host: while we are waiting for more calls to filter in, i want to show you historical context. you heard john logsdon talking about what happened with the three astronauts came back to earth. one thing they did do was participate in a press conference.
it was during that press conference where the astronauts had a chance to talk about what they thought was the meaning of the mission. [video] what this country set out to do was something that was going to be done sooner or , whether we set a specific goal or not. i believe from the early spaceflights we demonstrated potential to carry out this type of mission. again, it was a question of time until this would be accomplished. ease withe relative which we were able to carry out our mission, which of course came after a very efficient and logical sequence of flights, i think this demonstrated we were certainly on the right track when we took this commitment to
go to the moon. what this means is that many other problems perhaps can be solved in the same way, by taking a commitment to solve them in a long-term fashion. think we were timely in accepting this mission of going to the moon. it might be timely at this point to think in many other areas of other missions that could be accomplished. [laughter] >> are they looking at me? me they are near and far term aspects to it. in the near term, it's a technical triumph for this
country to have said what it was going to do a number of years ago and do it just like we said we were going to do it. technical, purely but a triumph for the nation's overall will, economy and attention to detail and 1001 other factors that went into it. long-term we find for the first time that man has the flexibility or the option of either walking this planet or some other planet, be at the moon or mars or i don't know where. evaluately equipped to where that may lead us to. >> i just see it at the beginning.
but thisthis flight program which has been a short piece of human history. history, the entire program. age.a beginning of a new let's hear from james and roanoke, virginia. caller: good morning. i would like to find out if the space vehicles on the moon are still operational. host: what is your interest in finding that out? caller: just curiosity. landing when space the men landed and stepped on the moon. ever since then i've been wondering after all these years mobiles upe -- the there are so operation.
if they can go back to them and get them and you missions with them. do missions with them. host: what do you remember most about it? caller: i watched it when armstrong stepped on the moon. back thenexperience to even watch that. it was amazing. host: were you in support of the mission back at the time? caller: yes. i sure was. that was amazing to see that. gail in florida, watched the moon landing. caller: yes. i want to thank c-span so much for these programs. i was 24 years old. i'm 76 now. i lived at cape canaveral during the apollo launches.
the inspiring thing was the sense of unity. the sense of the whole world as human beings. we have such division right now. these programs may help us remember we are all human beings, we are all the same it had the same kind of dreams and sense of adventure. i hope that positive inspiration i felt when these apollo astronauts went to the moon, there are a lot of sacrifices to do that. families, all the people who worked on the program were 24/7. my family worked for ibm. i wanted to thank you for doing this. i hope this will remind us we are human and we can do anything we put our mind to if we just do it together. thank you so much. host: did you watch the event by yourself or other people?
caller: i was by myself. my husband was at work. yard. out of my front it was stunning. it was like an earthquake that you knew you were safe but the earth shook like crazy. i think one of your callers said it was like the craft hovered for a while instead of just -- you think of rockets taking off. it hovered. the power of it. i do know the astronauts and all the personnel -- i was watching it by myself. i think it was the most -- iting thing i've is like a sense of inspiration. look what humans can do if they just, you know, try hard and
focus on things that are important and will helpand that. misse tim -- this is tim in minnesota. i was only 6 when they did this, and i did not understand the significance of it. i have read a lot of books since want -- i am interested in a lot of these said we are 100 years behind where we really should be technologically, we should be a lot further but we spent trillions on wars. last national defense authorization act for about $700 billion.
from some of these books i read that we're way behind where we really should be. one lady called in and said, we should have had bases on the moon by now, we should have classrooms in space. thank you. host: that is caller from minnesota. collins,s now, michael the command module pilot. thank you for joining us. guest: thank you. looking forward to it. host: you get a lot of questions about apollo 11, what do you wish people would ask you other than that? guest: how much did i get paid for it. [laughter] host: a lot of the same questions about this, but what would you like people to know about the mission that maybe they would not know personally from your experience? guest: it starts with john f.
kennedy. he was our president, and of course, he was assassinated. he, for one reason or another, became fascinated by space, and he thought it was something this country ought to undertake. s speechhis famou and said we should put a man on the moon by the end of the decade and bring him back to earth. -- suchaort into uccint, buthort and s very, very direct instruction that we could get done. and it wanted this pulled a whole, tremendously large group together at its peak. there were about 400,000 americans working on the apollo
program, while i should say space program. host: what were you doing at the time when kennedy was making the call and did you think it was possible when we that she made it? guest: i don't know what i was doing at that moment, but my vision was not easy or difficult, possible or impossible. kind of oscillated. there were times where i said, toe, we have four years go before 1969 and all the problems seem to be falling into place, and other times i thought we are not going to make it at all. there was some snag, something we had not understood before that we had to solve. itwas a vacillating goal, was not like the moon was that big and there was. sometimes i knew it was big and sometimes was itsy-bitsy tiny. host: when you knew you were going to be on this mission, what went through your mind?
guest: i was very pleased. it was a combination of john f. kennedy's goal, and it was the high point of the apollo program which had a lot of high points in it, but that was the plus ultra of missions. the two people i was going with were wonderful and highly competent. i was pleased to be joining them as well. host: i heard in an interview that you are very closed in the direct hand of its design and building, is that the case? guest: we were generally sitegned it to a where the machine that we were going to fly was not yet finished. we used to go to the factory and help it down the assembly line. they have to undergo a series of tests. it was helpful to the contractors, in this case it was
north american rockwell in california -- it was helpful to them to see their customer was there helping this to be designed. , really fromary our point of view so that ultimately would understand the machine with a great deal of intimacy. much did you tell the folks then? guest: as astronauts, we probably had too much power because if we said something, they would all scribble it down on little notepads, and we might have been dead wrong. there was a lot of give-and-take to that process, and as our machines, in this case, it was the command module, when they finally got finished with it, it was pretty snafu free. eagleone columbia
separated, what were your responsibilities? den mother, there a i was their ticket home, i was in orbit 6 miles circular around the moon. was keeping home fires burning and everything in order while they were doing their work on the surface of the moon. which involves whites, give us specifics of what you were doing while in orbit? pouring myself a cup of coffee. iturned the thermostat up, had a little music if i wanted, and then i had a volume switch for mission control, and sometimes -- don't tell mission control, operate the cut off switch. [laughter] host: as far as when you were orbiting, what was in your mind as far as the ability to
complete the mission? guest: i thought we would complete the mission. the aspect that worried me the most was not the lunar landing, i thought that armstrong was an extremely competent pilot. so i don't want to say the descent was a piece of cake, it was not. they had problems in their computer along the way. but i was not worried about neil is targetafely at h or somewhere else close. the thing that worried me most was the ascent when they were ready to come back up to the command module. we at nasa really believe in redundancy. when we have a gadget, we wanted two gadgets. if one broke, we had a backup. all was true in almost
cases, however, it was not true .n their ascent littlear module had one thing. if he did not get ignition, they were two dead men. so that was utmost on my mind when they were on their way down and when they were coming back. host: once you got back to earth, we had a previous guest tell us that you went around the world. what was the reception like? guest: i think we hit something like 29 cities. it was amazing. bigought people would say, deal, good, thank you, you american finally did it. instead, they said unanimously, we did it. they felt participatory. they hadght that almost crawled on board with us.
that we, humanity, had put the thing together, had carried it off. they felt very proud to be a nart of it, just to be a huma and lived during that time. we were exceeding escape velocity. we were on our way somewhere and they were a part of that. collins, every mission has a patch designed. we found that you designed the apollo 11 patch. guest: yes, i did. one of our backups thought that eagle was a proper motive and i agreed. i took the idea and ran with it. i went into the national geographic book, got a proper his wings.g to fold i had to have a little earth
popping up over the horizon and little by little, the patch emerged. itself,so on the patch on some of the other patches, they had the names of the astronauts. yours did not. why is that? guest: i did not want any names. it was a tradition started with which i flew with john young. john and i agreed that thousands wereousands of people involved that if they were knocking to get their name on one,e were not going to get ours. see gemini 10, apollo 11, no names on those and names on just about all of the others. not to denigrate the others, it
is fine if you want to put names we wereut i thought better off without it. host: when you see the moon, do you think about it? guest: i do not think about it often. unless someone pokes me in the ribs. there, something up there is little silver sli. well, i've been to the moon. [laughter] guest: it takes me by surprise, but i am a slow learner. [laughter] host: does it shock people when them that? guest: i don't know, i did not get the question properly. host: when you tell people that you do not think about the mission much, does it shock people? guest: i do not know what gets people 110 volt ac shock.
it is pretty hard to shock people. host: the current effort to go back to the moon and even go to mars, what you think about that? guest: i like it. when i came back from the moon, i always used to joke that they sent me to the wrong planet and that nasa ought to be renamed .he national aeronautic and ifbig mars addict, you asked me to say, i would go for jfk and his memory, mars direct mission. i think going back to the moon is a solid idea. a lot of research has gone into the current plans to use the moon as a jumping off base to go to mars, but i am entitled to my no, marsand i say
direct, go. host: do you think that people have the same awe of spaceflight that they did when you went to the moon? kow how-- i don't people consider space. it is so remote to our daily lives. i do not think about space very much at all. and it has been a large part of my life. if you are a dentist, you worry about cavities, you do not worry about space. is way out on the periphery of car consciousness. r consciousness. there are so many bad things on the periphery of consciousness that it is nice to have a good thing. get in on the support and we will have benefits. host: what did you do after you left nasa space program?
guest: i went to work for the state department. thes the assistant to secretary of state of public affairs for a while. at that time, this location where i am sitting on the mall in washington was an empty field, and we wanted to convert it into a national air and space museum. with the help of barry goldwater and some other influential politicians, we were able to get $40 million appropriated, so this building was built. i worked here for about six worked inger than i the space program. i askedchael collins, you the first that you wish people would ask you and you said about your salary, how much? guest: oh, zero.
i was kidding about that. [laughter] guest: we got paid whatever our salaries were in the organization of which we belong. that was an active duty in the colonel in the air force at that time, wter air force colonels -- i was probably overpaid considerably. host: michael collins, the command module pilot for apollo 11. we thank you for your time today. guest: nice to be here. host: coming up, we will hear from teasel muir-harmony at the air and space museum, she is the author of the book "apollo to the moon." we will have that conversation up next. first, the national air and space museum recently unveiled the refurbished spacesuit. we got a chance to talk with kathleen lewis. [video clip] man, oneall step for
giant leap for mankind. right now we are in the wright brothers gallery of the national air and space museum and i am standing in front of neil armstrong's spacesuit, which we put on display for the first time in 13 years yesterday morning. we put neil armstrong's spacesuit off display in 2006 because we determined that the materials inside the suit were beginning to deteriorate, and we did not think that case we had it and was adequate to preserve it, so we decided to take it off display and put it in storage where the temperature and humidity were strictly controlled, and to give it a rest until we could come up with a plan for displaying it in a climate controlled case. the materials used in the spacesuit are almost all synthetic materials. they degrade. this is especially important
about the rubber bladder in the soup. this is the essential part of the suit that keeps the oxygen inside the suit and allows the astronauts to breathe. the robbers that they use, the technicians new -- the theers that they use, technicians knew it would start to break down after six months. they had to time the manufacture of the suit to six months from the plan's splash down the astronauts conclusion of the mission. we knew that when we acquired the suit that there be problems, but the science was not there for us to determine what was the best environment for the suit. display,e spacesuit on preserved and digitized is very important. it is not only important for the generation of people who remember when neil armstrong stepped on the surface of the moon 50 years ago, but it is
even more important for the young children who come here who have no memory of the apollo program. parents doeir not have a personal memory of the apollo program. iconsuit is here for the in history, but also standing there as a starting point for future generations. from that suit, they will learn what spacesuits did and what they will have to do if we return to the moon, if we travel to an asteroid, or even go on to mars. we are alive from the air and space museum in washington dc. joining us now for a conversation is teasel spacearmony, she is the history curator here and do specifically works on the apollo 11 curator issues. she is also an author of the book "apollo to the moon." good morning. guest: thank you for having me.
host: when it comes to apollo 11, what are you in charge of? guest: things like the lunar module, the command modules, things like that. host: how large is the collection itself? guest: over 2000 artifacts within the spacecraft collection and then we have our apollo collection in general which is thousands of objects from saturn 5 down the small things like space food. host: including the lunar module that we have behind us. i am sure you are asked a lot of questions. what do people want to find out? guest: i think it surprises people when they look at it because it does not look quite like an aircraft. it is not aerodynamic at all. i live people have questions about how it works and what the gold stuff usually is. what is it for and why does it look the way i looks. host: answer the question. guest: it is basically thermal
protection. spacecraft regulated while in direct sunlight or shadow. huge range of temperatures on the moon so it is important to have thermal protection to keep the spacecraft temperate. host: from your personal perspective, what is important about this day, the 50th anniversary? guest: it is such an exciting day and i have been speaking with a lot of people about what the significance of today is, and the apollo program more generally. it is a wonderful reminder of how spaceflights can inspire and encourage a sense of unity. you see that with the hundreds of thousands of people that work on the mission in a coordinated effort to huge scale. and also, the huge audience it attracted. half the world's population stopped what they were doing to watch the first lunar landing, and it is an important part of the legacy.
this mission inspire people to come together in various ways. host: is there a diplomatic role in the mission itself as far as how it was perceived worldwide? to wyatt you look back kennedy proposed that the project in the first place, he was motivated by larger -- look back to why kennedy proposed the project never displays, he was motivated by larger geopolitical interests. that people would align with united states. in many ways, apollo 11 did contribute to that sense of alignment with the u.s. mike call into you just spoke to, he tells a wonderful story about how the astronauts traveled the world after the flight on their diplomatic tour, and everywhere they went, people said we did it. it was an accomplishment of humankind. people were aware that the united states sent humans to the moon, but that it was this larger project. it was a u.s. lead, global
project in a way. that was seen important politically. host: our guest is the author of the book "apollo to the moon: history and 50 objects." if you want to ask her a question, give her a call if you watched the moon landing, (202) 748-8000, and all others, (202) 748-8001. about your book, what was the purpose? guest: i wanted to tell the history of project apollo in a different way. it is such a complex program that involves so many people and often you can read an overview, but you missed some of the nitty-gritty details. one of the ways you can tell the stories is through artifacts, so i selected 50 artifacts and then together, i see the tapestry. theget a picture of political history, the social history, the cultural history, and the technological history of apollo through the individual stories.
it allowed me to dive deep into each small story. host: tell me a little bit about the command module. what should people know about it? guest: i think even stepping back, it was -- there were multiple spacecraft involved at certain times of the missions as active ones and other times, they divided. the command module can be seen as the astronauts'home during the mission. but it was also their laboratory, everything had to happen in there. it was a combination of spacecraft, home, bathroom, kitchen, dining room, and really complex ships that included two parts. you have the pressurized interior and then a really sophisticated heat shield on the outside. host: he talked a little bit about the camera that eventually would record the astronauts on
the moon. talk about that artifacts. guest: the data acquisition camera. this is the role that it played was mountedo 11, it and buzz aldrin's window and recorded the landing. but we have anticipated that this camera is going to be left on the moon because the astronauts left a lot of material behind on the moon so they could bring lunar material home. it turns out that neil armstrong took this camera and put it inside this bag, we call it an exhibit purse or armstrong f -- thi was a baggie put miscellaneous things in, and ended up in one of his closets. after he passed away, the wife sent it to the museum. we were thrilled to see that this camera was in there. host: is it on display or
kept elsewhere? guest: it is currently on display. we have a special apollo 11 case will reroute some of the artifacts. host: one of the other things was some of the calls with the computer that we use. compared to computers today, it had limited computing power, but it was extremely robust and sophisticated. this was a point in history when there was a huge change between computers getting larger and larger, and with apollo, they had to be very small. you see this huge shift happen here, and there was a lot of investment in research and development that would then pay off later on in the development of the industry. the apollo computer itself was quite small, and it was extremely reliable. handwoven withs
ropes, so it was quite robust. host: first call for you is from carol from new york. -- are on with0 you are on with teasel muir-harmony. go ahead. caller: i worked with national air and space and i was a college student, they hired summer help for any of the employees at drummond whose children were in college at the time. towas a big thrill for me work. i typed thousands and thousands it,art numbers on which they produced later. my father worked there for many years and he was a part of the
crew that put of the scaffolding in the hangar. apparently, i heard when they when the lunar excursion module was in the air, they also did the same maneuvers. hangar on the markup that my father was privileged enough to be a small part of also. my family watched the lunar it was a module and thrill. it was a thrill to watch it on tv and to be a part of it. i got to meet scott carpenter and a few of the astronauts at the time. host: thank you, carol. guest: that is a wonderful story, thank you for sharing it
with us. it points to a few important things that happened during apollo. a lot of people working on the hardware got to meet the astronauts and got a sense that these were the people that we and itding to space, contributed a sense of responsibility and duty in ensuring that and the spacecraft and all the different components that were reliable, and the astronauts would not encounter any problems in space, so that was an element of the program. host: one of the people you highlight in the group is a woman named margaret hamilton. who is she? guest: she was the head of apollo software for both lunar module and command module. and a pioneer for her time. mass andt m she came to cambridge, massachusetts, and then ended up supporting the family which is also a bit unusual at the time,
and worked as a software engineer. she helped popularize that phrase. when she first did, there were jokes about it because it was seen as grandizing that profession. it really caught on and was an important contribution. up, herself, ended overseeing a very large team in the development of the software. host: there is a picture of her standing next to a stack of books for the code that apollo was? guest: yes, printed out. they would print it on cards and feed into the simulator, and then it would print out what you see in the image. the printed out code. host: how many lines of code do you know offhand? [laughs], i will leave that to the computer curator. host: joanne, go ahead.
caller: hi. i wanted to say that i was in high school when i watched it with my family, and one special thing for our family was it happen on my father's birthday. his birthday was july 20 and he of an avid viewer of all those shuttles, apollo, everything. very american oriented and loved the fact that we were involved in these things. our whole family is very proud to be apart of the whole group that did all of this and supported it, and just a wonderful memory, awesome experience to see it on television. host: thank you. guest: what a wonderful day to have a birthday. i think that is a great celebration. i've heard stories of people
having wedding anniversary their weddings on july 20 as well. parents colleague who's were married in germany on that day, and he says that all part of the wedding party, a part of the reception included following the mission. host: this is from alabama, bill. good morning. guest: yes. i just wanted to say that i was there, i had actually worked for the space program, i was the launch support team. limb, worked in packs for, five the astronaut that built those, myself, and three other guys in the shop. it was an exciting time. i have movies from where i was standing on top of the bab building filming the apollo saturn 5 when it took off, and
it was an awesome thing. it was spectacular for me to work on it and it was like going to disneyland every day. it is something new, no one had ever done it before. it was exciting for us and i was just glad to be a part of it. i just wanted to add a little saying, i do not know of many people know or even notice it, launches,he saturn 5 if you are watch the rocket, it leans over a little bit so we can clear the tower, because one of the tailfins would have hit the tower. we bill all the swing arms and put them together in birmingham, alabama. and we also work on the lunar roller up there. ande we went to florida lived down there for about 3.5 years. and just wanted to add that to it and say how proud i was to be
a part of it. i hope we go back. host: thank you. thank you for sharing your story, i love hearing the stories and it is so wonderful to highlight the contributions of the people who contributed to the program, and it was over 400,000 people, a huge coordinated effort and everyone was doing their part. one of the interesting things about apollo, the way that it was structured was nasa oversaw the program, but there was a set of contractors and subcontractors working on the mission. over 90% of the people who contributed to project apollo were coming from private industry or universities and institutes. where the type of program you have so many people participating, contributing, and coordinating their efforts, and it created so many wonderful
programs and memories, and i always get really excited to hear some of the details of individuals that contributed. host: we mentioned that even today, there are supposed to be an auction for private -- when you hear stories like that, don't you wish you had those in your collection? guest: i hope they are preserved carefully. it is a reminder that when project apollo happened, spaceflight was brand, brand-new. the first artificial satellite is 1957, the first human in spaces 1961. -- in space is 1961. 1979, humans are landing on the moon. there were expectations about protocol that we have about that today that were not in place at the time, because this was brand-new and a pioneering effort and a lot of things were figured out in real time like the inclusion of cameras within
human spaceflight. host: tell us about the moon rocks that were brought back from the mission. wast: with apollo 11, it roughly 50 pounds of lunar material brought back. in the apollo program in general, 842 pounds. that material has elpful inhundr understanding -- understanding how the moon formed, its age, and answering questions about our solar system more generally. there are three primary types, so earth rocks is a part of the key. the idea, theed size bodyt age impacted the earth and the moon was formed through the collision. host: where are the rocks cap to now are they being tested on? guest: they are still being used for scientific study and some of the material, i believe from 11,
was just released her scientists to study. it had been carefully protected from that time and not used for studying, but all of them a -- all of the material brought back from the apollo missions are in nasa's possession. we have some lunar material on loan from nasa, and nasa lends it to scientists first scientific study. over the years as scientific equipment has improved, we have been able to learn more from the material. you are next tito, with our guests. caller: hi, i listened lives when the lunar landing was broadcast 50 years ago, but i have a direct connection to the apollo program. my father worked for both nasa and rockwell. nasa was then known as north and downey,ation,
a way, the ground zero to the space age. i was hoping to speak with mike collins to tell him how handsome age. at his hage -- his my dad worked on the command module in the second stage of the saturn 5 rocket. projects.also other say that calling to is like a program i neverf my dad because got to know him because he passed away before four i was
born. -- before i was born. in a way, the moon landing is a .ay to get to know him w alive, he made friends with a lot of his actor whoand even an later became a president himself. host: thank you for the stories. hear, that is great to yeah, downey, california. the important part of the apollo story. the command module was developed there, so the home of the spacecraft of the astronauts. they had to go through a lot of modifications. fire was the apollo 1
in january 1967, and alerted toryone to what they need improve and the capsule to ensure the astronauts safety. and it helped make a safer program and part of the reason we did not have any fatalities in space. dealspart of your book with human waste, can you tell our viewers why? guest: [laughter] that is one of the questions that people traveling to space get asked the most. mike collins was asked that last night and someone asked him how he went to the bathroom in space, and his response was very carefully. which i think is the correct answer. it is really complicated and has been an issue from the beginning, to make sure that things are hygienic, relatively clean, and never that pleasant. when you think about being inside a spacecraft in tight
quarters. the command module itself, i read a book where the author compared it to the space of three british phonebooths next to each other. very limited space. collectionrine device that the astronauts would have worn, fitted to their bodies, and they are a reminder that all of the early american astronauts were men because they are specifically designed for men's bodies. they had issues for tm. also one oftion s the less glamorous aspects of spaceflight. host: this is one of the many photos you will find in the book "apollo to the moon: history and 50 objects." next caller from columbus. steve, hi. caller: hello, i am so glad that you wrote that book and i am
certainly going to buy it. my wife and i grew up with the space program and we watched the moon landing. me is when i speak with such enthusiasm about the apollo program and i talk about all of the benefits that came from it that we take for granted in our daily lives, a lot of people that i talked to in their 20's and 30's, they do not understand that there was a benefit. they said no, my parents said it was a big waste of money. why are we going to waste more money trying to go to mars. and i am just saying, wow. whole 1960's piece of the space program just transformed our society and these guys are just waking up and saying, oh, ok. , waster minimization management, food preservation, greener technologies, complex
polymers for sports, etc. can you enumerate on some of these things and possibly educate the public on just how much we got back from our investment? guest: yeah. there are quite a few technologies that were important and apollo sort of helped feed the computer industry. a lot of people who are working on project apollo at the instrumentation lab in m.i.t. then went on to contribute greatly to development of computing. i would say with project apollo, it is also really important to look at the political spin off. president kennedy proposed project apollo primarily as a response to a larger geopolitical situation. it was done in the context of the cold war.
the first human in space. the u.s.huge blow to prestige. and then that was followed by another blow to u.s. prestige. kennedy asked his vice president, lyndon johnson, to find a space program that would be impressive. so project apollo was really motivated by politics and the political situation. when we evaluate it, we should evaluate in terms of its impact on diplomacy and the u.s.'s position in the world in addition to the technological spinoff. the united states does not for they invest technological spinoff. it is not why the program was funded and also shows that the primary means of being evaluated. host: do you think that it still exists as it did?
guest: i think it is quite different. i think there is a huge fascination. here at the national air and space museum, we have a wonderful visitorship. millions of people a year. that is a great sign in the interest of spaceflight, but at that time in the 1960's, spaceflight had just evolved from science fiction to science fact, and it was brand-new. you cannot re-create that. it would have to be different today. it was also coupled with a revolution in television, media, and communications. was also lunar landing the first live global television broadcasting. that is an important part of that history and legacy and the impact that allowed people from around the world to do something in unison. and to follow explorers in real
reallynd that was memorable, and that gave people a sense of participation and part of the historic weights. host: candace in vero beach, florida. guest: -- caller: good morning. i just want to say that anyone who was around to watch the moon what an amazing, amazing accomplishment. my connection is, my best friend was on the challenger. because of her, i was privileged to be involved in one way or another with many things going out at nasa. i need john glenn and neil armstrong, and quite a few others. it is just a highlight of my life and continued success. of them -- they
are such a different breed, these astronauts and engineers, they are very, very courageous. i know that if they could, they go up in space seven days a week. [laughter] was very, very honored to be a part of -- some small part of all of this, and i think you for your time. host: thanks, candace. a different breed. what do you think about that characterization? guest: i think if you meet the astronauts, they are very, very impressive. very capable, very confident, very intelligent risktakers, and really extraordinary people. i've had the privilege of being able to have a number of conversations with michael collins over the year, and here to thedid the foreword
book, and he is a remarkable person with so much ability, thoughtfulness, intelligence, and when you sit in on of what they were able to accomplish and the risks they were able to take a, and the focus they brought to their jobs -- host: except he told us that he does not think about the flight much. guest: [laughter] it has been 50 years. i think it is a good sign that get other things to occupy his mind. module washed to the a plaque, what was on it? guest: that was carefully designed a few months before the first lunar landing, symbolic activities committee was formed to plan out all of the symbolic activities that would take place on the moon. in addition to collecting lunar material and the scientific
experiments. the plaque was a part of that. it was supposed to symbolize a signal, but this was a mission for all humankind. hemisphereshe two of the earth and you will see that there are no political boundaries. from space, you cannot see the political boundaries and there was a sense of unity. underneath that, there was a message carefully crafted and you will see that there is a from planetere men set footst set on -- the moon. makechanged it to foot to sure it symbolized human. nixon's speechwriter said that a.d. was a subtle nod to
religion. and then it has the crew's names and president nixon's name as well. host: from nyle in troy, michigan. hi. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. i have two pieces. i have a first cousin who was a naval aviator and actually flew carrier backf a to california. secondly, it is important for the viewers to put time and distance in perspective. just one prior hundred years earlier, it took americans almost five to six months to cross the united states in a covered wagon. transcontinental railroad was completed in may of it just took seven days to cross the united states in a train.
now that the moon landing has occurred, we reduce the time it takes to the moon took four days a space travel over 240 thousand miles, and i think people often forget that in the compression of what mankind has done, -- what humankind has done to reduce time in travel in distance is something that is taken for granted and today, we live in an era where it takes just a few hours across the country. host: thanks, caller. guest: that is a story that we museum because the first power controlled sites right by the airplane, 1903. the first lunar landing, 1969. behind me, we have a lunar module from the apollo program, and hanging above it with the spirit of st. louis which charles lindbergh used across the atlantic in 1927.
this is the story of the 20th century. huge leaps and bounds especially in terms of flight that were taken, and his -- it is remarkable to get a sense of technological development that happen in a short time. host: minnesota, brian. good morning. caller: yes. you mentioned charles lindbergh? guest: yes. caller: he is from minnesota. one,y question, number apollo 1, the three guys that were burned to death, how about 5,6,7, apollo 8 circled the moon, 9 & 10, what about
that? and then neil armstrong, one step for man, one giant leap for mankind, who was running the camera? and then mike collins, i was appointed because i wanted to ask this to him -- he was drinking coffee and listening to music, what kind of coffee was it, and did he play a little bit of johnny cash, bob dylan, and neil young? host: he is gone now but we will let our guest answer what you asked. guest: he has the benefit of drinking warm coffee in space. on the lunar module, they did not have hot water to heat up their coffee or food, so they were eating cold food, but in the command module, one of the technologies that was introduced for the apollo program was hot water, so he had coffee.
it was lukewarm, but it was coffee. you can actually listen to the soundtrack from the apollo 11 mission. it is an interesting combination , onusic, but you go online spotify they put together a list. it is fun to hear the music they were listening to. i am not sure what my calling -- what mike collins was listening to when he was alone by himself. host: and talk about the first meal on the moon? guest: the first meal on the moon was more of a snack. bacon squares, which were some of the most popular food items in the space program because they were salty and flavorful. when you are in space, you lose a lot of your sense of taste because your nasal cavity is filled with food -- in space, people tend to like this vice -- the spicier,
saltier. peaches, sugar cookie cubes, coffee, and pineapple grapefruit drink. performedn also communion on the moon. after they did the moonwalk which is 2.5 hours long, they came back and had beef stew, cream of chicken soup, fruitcake, that type of thing for you -- thing. fruitcake is a standard astronaut food of the time. host: larry, joining us on the phone. caller: hello. when we said we were going to the moon, we did not have enough geology, so we put a lot of money into getting more people into geology, and one of my friends who was a female, one of the first females to go to geology school in arizona. there were no bathrooms in the geology building when she was women so a little bit of
got into programs that they had not been able to before. 21, and i was working at dallas time for a summer job, so i spent the afternoons at nasa and the hotel had all of theey itbc, and people would watch on the tv and came down after they spoke, we were able to see them in the lobby of the hotel. a fellowmeet oklahoman, tom stafford, after he got through talking. that evening, we went over to another hotel and watched the landing. and a lieutenant in the navy usentially bought
whippersnappers champagne while we watched the event. host: thank you. guest: that is great to hear. thank you for telling us of the story. one thing that is so heartening to me is the greater focus on the contribution of women on apollo. i was in graduate school during the 40th anniversary of project apollo and apollo 11. atre was some mention, but the 50th anniversary, there is much, much more attention. there is really important contributions of women to the program. as the caller mentioned, having to deal with things like not having designated bathroom or being the only woman in the room and there are such important stories to hear from the people who contributed to the program and the women who are really pioneers within that field. host: when the astronauts came
-- they're up in something that looks like a silver trailer. what was that? guest: the mobile quarantine facility. it tells the great story about how a project apollo had in such a short timescale, it happened so quickly. lot of the technology used for project apollo was on the shelf and already available. an airstream trailer, and modified it to quarantine the astronauts. the question was whether they would bring back problematic pathogens from the moon and something of the modern-day equivalent of the columbian exchange. they want to make sure the astronauts were quarantined just in case. but there was not a solution of how to quarantine them from the landing to houston.
they came up with a solution, to have this airstream trailer, small enough that it could be on the aircraft carrier, and it can be transferred by airplane to houston. they did a number of modifications but if you look at it, it is an airstream trailer from that period. they left the beds, kitchen, microwave, and they were able to eat steak entering martinis, and have a hot shower. but they changed the pressure of the airstream trailer to make sure that nothing would escape and put in special filters and things like that, but it was a comfortable little vacation trailer for them that they were able to live in. host: let's go to clay in north carolina. caller: good morning. it is an honor to be on. i would just, my grandfather nd livedb who worked in newport news, norfolk area. he was as a little child telling this and seeing
the anniversary now, he was involved in it. of one of the scientists trainer that would be up in the hangars when they were training the astronauts to land on the moon. over the weekend, watching all of this and listening to my mom telling me stories about back in the day that they would do a $20 tax, back in that time, 1968, 1969, it was a lot of money for a lot of folks. folks. all of america had a lot to do with landing on the moon. it is just a privilege and an honor to have the apart of it and to know that one of my family members had something to do with landing on the moon, apollo 11. that is awesome.
host: thank you. final thoughts on apollo 11 he brought up a great point apollo at one point cost a huge part of the federal budget. it is a good reminder why the country invested in a program like that, and to be reminded placet was a significant on soft power within the cold war. host: the book is called "apollo to the moon," she is history curator at the national air and space museum. thank you for your time today. >> thank you so much for having me on. host: we want to thank the national air and space museum for being here today, and also thank american history tv producer russell logan for his work on the program. if you go to c-span3 right now, you can see resident kennedy's speech "on the moonshot" as part
gramsariety of for they will have all weekend long on apollo 11. that does it for now. ♪ announcer: a look at what is coming up today. 1969 coverage from cbs news of the lunar landing and moonwalk by apollo 11 astronaut neil armstrong and buzz aldrin anchored by walter kwok right. after that, and interview from last october by retired supreme court justice paul stevens who died this week. then, justice elena kagan comments on hers passing and
dust on his passing. later, a portion of the house hearing with acting homeland security secretary on family separation policy at the southern border. announcer: 50 years ago on july 20, 1969, astronauts knew armstrong and buzz aldrin landed he apollo 11 lunar module known as eagle on the moon while michael collins orbited the moon in the command module. watch american history tv on special apollour 11 coverage commemorating the 50th anniversary of the launch, landing him and return of the astronauts and the spacecraft. robert mueller testifies to congress on wednesday about possible obstruction of justice and abuse of power by president trump, and russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. live coverage starts at 8:30
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