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♪ campaign 2020, watch our live coverage of the campaign trail and make up your mind. c-span's campaign 2020, your unfiltered view of politics. >> here on c-span, "washington journal" is with your phone calls and a look at today's headlines and 10 a.m. eastern, the iowa state fair in des moineseastern, the iowa stan des moines where presidential candidates are scheduled to speak. this evening come our live coverage from iowa continues with several of the 20 presidential candidates attending a fundraiser known as the iowa democratic wing day. >> scott paul from alliance for american manufacturing talks
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about manufacturing jobs and the trump administration's trade policies. and later, podcast host jennifer briney joins us to discuss her podcast, "congressional dish." [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018]] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. isit ncicap.org] host: video released byism great lakeses from those raids at various businesses at mississippi this week. mostly latinos were isolated in what officials are calling the biggest single operation of its kind in u.s. history. some say the law is merely being enforced and others call it dehumanizing and call it sharp criticism in congress. i want to get your reactions this morning. two illegal workers in their country and perhaps in your community, what does your presence mean to you? here are the numbers to call -- 202-748-8000 if you live in the
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eastern or central time zone. if you live out west, it's 202-748-8001. we have a separate line for employers this morning. it is 202-748-8002. and a separate line just for illegal immigrants. we welcome your comments as well this friday morning. 202-748-8003. and if not by phone, you can weigh in by social media, cspanwj is our twitter handle and facebook.com/cspan. as we get started with all of this, wanted to share some facts briefly from the pew organization about illegal immigrants from the u.s. they point out five facts. they say there were 10.5 unauthorized immigrants in the u.s. representing 3.2% of the otal population. the total from other countries ticked up. and they also say the u.s. civilian workforce unauthorized
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immigrants representing the decline since 2007. six states they point out in the u.s. account for 57% of unauthorized immigrants, california, texas, florida, new york and new jersey and then illinois. and finally a rising share pouille says have lived in the u.s. for more than a decade. those are some undated evidence from the pouille organization. and the front page of the claireon ledger. you can see various stories that close to 700 people have been released after these raids. you can see a story here about one of the plant managers speaking out. he said 70 to 80 employees are swept up in the raid and the manager said it's normal lay 100-man operation.
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so went to get some more information from mississippi this morning on what happened wednesday and what might be next. justin vickery is city hall and local government reporter out of claireon. ood morning, justin. guest: they swept? in central mississippi -- swept in in central mississippi and raided about seven whole food processing plants, kitchen plants, anywhere from 40 to 100 miles outside of jackson,
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mississippi. mostly small towns. and they rounded up a total of and authorized workers they brought them to international guard hangar next to the jackson airport where they processed them, fingertipped them and the next day, they ended up releasing about 300 of those workers. and they were turned back to the plants. and they returned back to their communities. but there's about 400 that the plans are that they're going to be moved to a federal ice facility in louisiana and processed and eventually departed. -- deported. host: what's been the reaction
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in the latino community and what kind of further response are you expecting down there? guest: yeah. it's been -- it depends on the perspective. it's been for the latino community, it's been devastating. lot of these folks, adding insult to injury for them, these raids happened on the first day of school down here. employees lot of the were shipped off from the children, you know, in these schools, not knowing where their parents were. so there's quite a bit of outrage from that perspective. a lot of people are really eartbroken by what happened. politically, it's been divisive. governor phil brian, big trump
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supporter had supported the raids as the u.s. attorney who was appointed by trump, by the way. they're calling it a matter of law and order and meanwhile, the city of jackson, the actual jackson mayor is taking a pretty hard stance against the raids. he's called it demuseum noising -- dehumanizing and a waste of resources and it's going to make complicate trust issues between the community and law enforcement. host: can you give us the reports that you're seeing about the children and that ice may not have contacted the child protection services before these raids?
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we've seen the video on tv. we've heard some of the children who are very upset and crying. you give us some perspective on that part of the story? guest: yeah, i'll try to. we're still developing we're still trying to get a lot more details. there's a lot of mixed information out there. protective services said they weren't contacted and the reason for that was their whole plan was to keep it a secret and not let anyone know about it. but at the same time, my sources are saying that they made preparations for these children and they actually released 30 of the original number they detained for with a they called a humanitarian reasons and
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supposedly that's because a lot of them were parents of these children. but we're getting some conflicting reports. we're telling the school districts to find out that these kids actually had someone to take care of them. there's so many reports that are saying that kids, you know in the streets looking for their family with nowhere to go. ice is saying that certainly -- the case.tainly not right now, we're still developing. we're not sure what the case is. host: we read the headline from one manager saying most of its folks were taken out of there. what's the local impact in these communities and do you know whether these employees, employers were use the e-verify system when they brought in these folks?
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guest: yeah. well, so far we've talked to two f the larging companies. these are from companies with some national reach. they had several plants here. they're claiming that they both used the e-verify system that come from the smaller operators. we haven't been able to reach. they're saying they used the system. so the question would now become -- and we're waiting for legal paperwork gets in until recently and we're trying to figure out exactly what the whole nature of these raids were. and there's a lot of questions too about what's going to happen to the employers? are they going to be arrested? are they going to be charged? and that's information that we're still waiting to see too. and as far as the impact on which communities, you've got to understand these are really
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small rural mississippi towns. so it's going to have a substantial impact on the economy. and that's something that we're going to follow up today. we're going to head on the towns and talk to some business owners to get an idea of how hard the impact -- what the impact's going to be like. but one thing to know is that two of the -- the two largest employers are actually -- have ads out looking for employment. they're not shy about wanting people know that they're looking to hire workers after this mass exodus. host: justin vicory is the reporter out of the clarion-ledger out of jackson, mississippi. you can read his work at clarionledger.com. thanks for your time this morning. guest: sure, thanks. host: some quick reaction before we get on the calls. the governor of mississippi phil
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bryant said via twitter if you are here illegally, you have to bear the responsibility of that federal violation. i think i.c.e. is doing a great job and i think the u.s. attorney is doing exactly what he should be doing and i commend him for it. that's phil bryant. here is the mayor of mississippi peaking. the i.c.e. rage is ineffective as a tactic for protecting citizen. i'm calling upon faith institutions to become sanctuaries for our immigrant neighbors and protect them from potential harm. the city of jackson objects the 's raids. gary, welcome to the program. caller: thank you. i'd like to say we're not supposed to be having this immigration problem because the chamber of commerce told us nafta would i alleviate the --
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alleviate problem and i work from 1994 to 2007 in 10 different restaurants as handyman. i would go for a few hours. and anyway, i ask them what they wanted. this is back in 2005 when george w. bush was doing his guest worker programs. it was a friday and everyone everybody was watching and i asked a guy because everybody was quiet and he told me he would get back to me in a week. he wanted to talk to everybody. and the first thing he said when he got back from me was help with birth control. and the chamber of commerce are the only people i know more against birth control than that group of protestors that go to he funerals of their soldiers.
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and i can't understand. and the second thing they want was a rej for thed worker program. and they wanted to be -- and asked them if they wanted to be citizens and out of 20 guys and girls, none of them said yeah. i think they're making a mountain out of a mole hill. these people that are against the good orderly direction, you -- caller: right now, you probably have about maybe 10,000, if not more undocumented workers or illegal immigrants, away from
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the states that are cracking down. they're doing the right thing. unfortunately, the majority of them are going to be your southern states. but kudos to mississippi. so these people are on the road, heading to your sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. dehumanizing is when you take children to a desert, ok? and you cross a border illegally. et's stop right there, ok? the majority of the media is they expect us to cry and have tears because we are enforcing ur laws. we need start right there when you mention those top five state, i'm shocked that maryland wasn't part of the top five states because it is totally out of control. how many of us can cross the border illegally and get the services and the things in which
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we provide them here? and none of us can. you'll be lucky to be alive after you cross their border. so we have to start somewhere. kudos to mississippi. now we need to get after the companies and business owners that are bringing these illegal immigrants to their country. host: maryland is one of the top 20 metro areas, home to six and 10 understand authorized -- 6 in 0 unauthorized immigrants. houston, dallas, austin, again, 20 metro areas with the largest number of unauthorizeed mmigrants.
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that's the map of the 20 metro areas with the largest number of unauthorize immigrants in this country. caller: nobody likes to see babies ripped from their parents. we have a c.p.s. problem that's worse than what is happening with i.c.e. it needs to be looked into but i'll just leave that alone. i.c.e. handling of these duties and what have you, you know, i support them 100% and i support our president 100%. and the left shares a large part of the blame. these mayors of these cities who are talking, giving another side to these sanctuary cities, they
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are illegal. they should be jailed with these chicken operations. i'll pay more for chicken o? let's put america back to work. we got homeless people on the reets of every city -- host: talk to us about illegal immigrants from the philadelphia area. caller: there are a number in philadelphia which is a sanctity the i believe is part of problem. we had some who are planning to attack a city and kill american soldiers. i think the most important thing we can do about this problem is to make either by mandatory. i believe the real villains in
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this situation are the employers who hire illegals because it's easier and cheaper than hiring americans and the coyotes are the real villain. i believe they should be prosecuted. and when they are, they get find. they should be put behind bars. i think that would be the solution to this problem to really crack down on the employers. host: ok, fred. fred talking about the e-verify program which is vol. - voluntary. carol says legal means illegal. it would not be good, says carol. and lizzy writes i don't blame the companies for hiring them. i blame these democrats for bringing them in here. at least the companies give them a job so they don't starve to
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death. we have kathleen on the line now in l.a. good morning to you. caller: good morning. it's early here in los angeles, but we have a gray illegal alien. and also this is the issue. test how black americans become a permanent underclass by being relegated to a permanent underclass by allowing -- you don't think black americans need those jobs in mississippi, in that town in mississippi? and the other issues and in los angeles, we are 40% of the homeless, ok? 90% of the construction and trade jobs in los angeles are eld by illegally aliens. -- illegal aliens. the other issue is this. black americans are calling to
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"washington journal" crying about how trump is a racist. they don't understand the definition of racism and they don't understand that life is a competition between groups. racism is a competition between groups. they're confused. they should be grateful that trump is deporting illegal alien s that black men could have jobs. they're persuaded by the media to call trump a racist. well, trump is doing black americans a favor so black men can have jobs and feed their family. host: ok. kathleen, that was the voice of kathleen there. and michael from milford, massachusetts. go ahead, michael. caller: hi, good morning. i just like to point out the fact that i heard the previous caller talking about how great our president is. i defer the other. i'm curious about the -- not being oversought as far as
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people keeping track of them. i read in the "washington post" yesterday that a detroit resident, citizen of the united states was deported to iraq. he was not only mentally ill, he was typhoid diuretic. he died on the streets in iraq. that is absolutely out of hand for my country, you know? i don't know how people can think that there's such a good thing going on. you got remember. people are human and you treat humans as the way you want to be treated and if you're treating humans this way, i can only imagine what the repercussion will be in the future. host: the u.s. authorities strongly defend wednesday's mass immigration raids in mississippi saying the secretive operations to arrest undocumented immigrants was successful even as it led to images ofeeivin ho
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their parents missing. agents apprehended 680 workers, about half of whom remained in i.c.e. custody as of thursday nithesd. they do say the operation was so closely guarded that i.c.e. officials did not even inform the white house before it began. host: this was a textbook operation carried out in a safe manner and done securely, alvin said while traveling to guatemala on thursday. officials were able to execute these warrants in a safe
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fashion, according the "post" here. david is calling now from flint, michigan. david, what would you like to say? caller: good morning, c-span. host: good morning. caller: i'm just kind of upset. i don't like to see people being done the way they're doing to mexican people and the people from south america. those people haven't done -- and i'm 66 years old to the lady that called in and i'm black. and i don't need her to tell me. i know what racism when i see it. i've been around a long time. racist. racist. and in the black community knows it. now, i think something should be done about the immigrant in congress but they won't do anything because they like it -- they like this going because it keeps trump's base going. they need to solve the problem from these people coming. i agree that all these people can't come through the border. but i think those people have a right to the united states just like the people coming from europe, from everywhere else. they have a right to come here
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and get a good job and be an honest citizen and help our country. i love a melting pot. it's some people that hate the melting pot. i think it would be nice if we treat them nice but then congress and senate get together and fix the problem. but please don't lecture us about who's best for our community. we know who is best and we know who don't like our community. host: thanks, david. talk us to about what you understand to be illegal immigrant worker from your community, mary. caller: you have to tell me what's illegal? the people that are coming over here for a better life. i bet they got rounded up for working. they were not committing any crimes. i don't think crossing that border is any crime. if it is, it's a misdemeanor ticket with a little fine this
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is all racism. you need to get 45 out of office and mitch mcconnell and all of the swamp because if they are -- they are killing this country. they are trying to start a race war and it doesn't make any sense. we all bleed the same way. we're all came from adam and eve. one race. and that's how we need to be treated as we are human beings first. don't categorize people when you see them. to do this on the first day of school and they didn't tell their child protective services? that's evil. plain evil. i want to know what white person calling up on the next call, which one of you people want to work in the chicken factory if which one of you meme want the jobs that they have right now? none of you. and if you call and say oh, i like it, i'm sorry, but you're racist. if you believe anything that trump is doing, you are a racist and that's it. have a nice day. host: ok, mary, in fort washington, maryland.
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mary pointing to the children again these arrests, again, expose, they write here, what state and local officials say is a major shortcoming in i.c.e. procedures for dealing with children. as parent who is are caught up in immigration while at work were un able to pick up their children from school, daycare centers and elsewhere leaving some of them deserted and scared where is "the washington post" here. here's some reaction from democratic from new york. there is no world in which it is right, ok or acceptable for a child to be left alone and crying for help. right now, countless children in mississippi are coming home from school to find parents missing, homes empty, loved ones gone. helen is on the line from maryland. good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling in reference to the raid. i was in alabama. i live in maryland.
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and family, a large portion of y family lives in alabama. i have family members who have -- get rid ofe -- the -- immigrants that are working there and they are -- in americans and four people who need those -- you only have to be poor and sick with no benefits. indiscernible] there are no benefits. it is very dangerous. please look at that. find out where are you buying your chickens from and your benefits?
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why are the plant people not arrested for hiring them? hey knew they were illegals. and sit down with the steak in the afternoon. we are better than this, america. and i thank you. host: hellen from maryland. mike, we understand you're an undocumented immigrant. is that correct? caller: yeah, i was. i just became a citizen about two years ago. host: ok. tell us more about the celebration and what you think bout this overall issue. caller: i am a black person or i'm a -- [indiscernible]
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they left, but half of them came back. why? because they were not allowed to -- all of them. thout allowing them to prove -- for us. let you prove yourself before they can take you. and then [indiscernible] soson goes to school with -- you can tell my black son to do he -- for you.
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-- ss you have murdered host: ok. words of mike there from wood ridge, virginia. we have a line for the eastern part of the country, the western part of the country and a separate line for employers. and a line for undocumented immigrants. we'll do this for another half-hour. we'll ask you about illegal immigrant workers in your community in light of the massive raid in mississippi and what it means for the future. would be the earlier callers mentioned the e-verify program. our viewer is writing why are these employers not expected to adhere to laws and hire people who come in here with valid worker visas? why are they not forced to use verify verify? here are some fact about the e-verify program.
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- against records available to and d.h.s. this is voluntary. employers contain the acquisition regulation are required to use e-verifies these are federal contract people. and employers will be required to participate if their states have legislation already, mandating its use. the sources here among the sources there, the department of homeland security. e-verify was the subject or one of the subject at a recent earing with d.h.s. secretary speaking about e-verified. >> some of us should mandate the business about businesses to use
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e-verify and if a business does not use sexrev they have hired someone not illegally, businesses should be fined for not having use the e-verify system. do you believe that mandating e-verify use with penalties would help and reduce the magnet that brings people who just want to come here for economic opportunity? >> that moment magnet that you reference, i should have included that in my response to senator carter. it is the opportunity we have right now in the u.s.
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and e-verify atool to help make sure that's done in a lawful anner. bonnie is calling from uconn, oklahoma now. caller: they're overrunning oklahoma. i'm from clinton. i went home the other day and i went into one of the stores and you couldn't stir them with a stick. packing-- they have two plants and that's where they work. every one of them is illegal and i worked in that hospital 30 years. -- whatd bonnie, what's does that mean to your community, do you think? caller: nothing! it means that they're overtaking
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the whole community. the schools is full of them. businesses can't flourish with their having some of them there. and it's just awful. would be the early would be ths say they're merely doing jobs that other people don't want to do. what do you think about that? caller: oh, no, that's not so. i know they've laid off white people in those stores just to keep their profit down -- i mean, up. because i know they can hire them. my daughter has a roof put on her house. there were 10 mexicans on top of her house and they overall, hammering up there. they can't speak english. they all speak spanish and she couldn't tell what they were saying. and then they just come in -- there. same crew went
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10 mexicans put on top of her house. roofing her house. and they ask them why that -- they asked the man that hired them he brought them in. and he said it keeps their expenses down. of course it does. because they can get them to work for nothing. they have to pay somebody a decent wage if they hired american people. and i know those plants -- there's nothing in there but mex cabs. -- mexicans. caller: i like to take a quick walk back in history. i live in florida. i have an aunt and uncle. they passed away. but they moved to lady lake. that's the villages, the villages, a big republican stronghold although they weren't political. it was entirely built in the early 2000's by illegals.
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now, i don't blame the illegals entirely. and as far as jobs that other people won't do. don't forget, 2002, this was. this was when we were bleeding jobs overseas under george bush. the poor illegals, you can't blame them. they were coming in. but they were laying cement. they were bring layers. -- bring layers. -- brick layers. and my uncle said they treat the migrants so good here. they even have mobile homes for the kids to live in. and i said joey, they're taking jobs and the fellow that called earlier and asked for americans, yeah. they were taking jobs. this happened all through 2000, ok? and as far as e-verify, obama told governor scott of florida,
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the governor then, now he's the senator. god help us, but obama said use e-verify and scott said it's too expensive to implement. now as far as the racial component, as far as the racial component, when president obama took office, the racist -- came out from under the woodwork but when trump was elected, the racists were dancing in the mysteries. host: all right, that was teresa. as of may 2019, 864,000 employers use e-verify about 14% of u.s. employers around the country. ore headlines on this story. el paso sparked fear but it's i.c.e. that still terrifies immigrants the most.
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"new york times." factories back to life after the raids but the streets go quiet. they're pointing the folks who were worried about those who are being involved aren't being seen much outside. mississippi i.c.e. raid show that the poultry farm dependents on foreign labor continues. they say that academic research shows the poultry industry has a complex history with labor, race and immigration. the civil rights and worker rights led to immigration but also an exodus of white workers. james calling in from kentucky. good morning, james. caller: good morning to you, sir. hey, there's a whole scenario on
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this. for the most part, if they get paid $7.25 an hour for these poultry pant blahs,, -- plants, that's the reason why they are bringing in the illegals. if you bump it up, you would have americans working in there. they do i intentionally to bring in the illegals. and they should be fined heavily. they take our -- and these people bleeding hearts that are all for all these people coming in illegally, let them pay for it. let them have an extra type or take all their assets to pay for it. and that they, they want so it bad, then let them pay for it and that's all i got to say. thank you. host: wendy this vero beach, florida, along the coast there. go ahead, wendy. caller: yes. you are reading a news story, i can't remember which newspaper it was from, but homeland security was on the national
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news station and they were explaining the process that all these people went through after they did their raid and every single one of these people were taken back to a national guard station where they were all interviewed and the one question they were asked was if any children were waiting for them at home and they were all allowed to make a phone call and anyone who had both parents in the raid, one of the parent were released back to take care of the children. so none of these children were denied a parent. none of these children were left with no one to tend to them. and in reading this, the biggest problem in this country is we have media people who literally do not tell you all the facts. they do not tell you the truth in order to slant stories that gen up the anger in this story and some americans do not go in
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and do the research. you can find all this information even on c-span on the congressional hearings that they've had with our department of homeland security officials. all you have to do is go in and watch them and you'll actually see how much inaccurate information. because these people are testifying under oath. they work for homeland security and it's really causing a lot more reading these newspapers that have already been deemed incredibly inaccurate in their stories and i don't understand why you're quoting them. it's so unfair when people don't get the facts. i know you're there just to get people's opinions and it's a great service that everybody in america can express their opinion but without the facts, everybody doesn't know the truth. and they're angry about stuff that hasn't even happened and never happened. host: ok, wendy, thanks for calling. we do have an employer on the
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line. it's robert from michigan. good morning, robert. caller: good morning, america. i just want to say that this has been affecting the economy pretty bad, i believe. and does anybody mention about these companies that are getting fine for hiring these illegals? there's 400 or more and there's more on the issue that up in northern minnesota and southern dakota, there's tons of farm wners up there on poultry, pig farmers and milkers up there that have illegals up there, thousands of them that are working. and you couldn't get nobody to work on a pig farm that's on that's a american-born citizen. you couldn't get them to work on there. host: robert, what kind of business are you in, robert? caller: i'm self-employed by myself. i have no employees but i'm just
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saying that there's articles upon articles and nobody mentions about, you know, upper midwest about what's happening up there. and the employers, if you want to view the employers up there, it would devastate the economy up there. host: thanks for calling. shawn where is at facebook this morning. yes, there are many illegals working in my community because i live in the state of new york where illegals get everything for free from health care to schooling, get treated by the state of new york better than citizens do. bill writes they are paying incomes federal, state, social security, medicaid and will never get a dime back in his opinion. if you look the "washington times" this friday morning, there's this headline. "mexico deal is credited for a sharp drop in border arrest." illegal immigration across the southwestern border has been cut dramatically.
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officials revealed thursday pointing to president trump's deal with mexico to step up that country's enforcement as the chief reason. the border control about 72,000 people who sneaked across the border in july after reduction of half compared with the peak of two months ago. border cities that were so overwhelmed that they declared states of emergency are getting back to normal with drops of 70% or more in regions of texas, el paso and humana. mark morgan said that the lower numbers mean better conditions who are still making the track and getting caught with overcrowding and detention facilities dropping dramatically. makes the point there. sherry's calling from phoenix this morning. hello there. caller: hello. i would like to say that our federal government does not want to put a stop to it because all those thousands of illegal immigrants working they don't never put in for tax returns. so that is a large amount of undocumented money that our
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federal government gets to have at their leasher to do whatever they do with it -- leisure to do whatever they do with it. host: jim this long island, new york. good morning. caller: hi there. i'm really celebrating that raid. i live in a town that started changing in 1988. and now before i know it, i'm would be the few people left because i can't afford get out of here. we're overrun over here. and this lady calling from phoenix over here and all these other people saying that the taxes -- they're not paying any taxes. stop being so foolish. they're working off the books. what's the matter with you? and then i've got the schools over here. the marquise are in spanish. we just had another kid shot up the block there. i have the three -- that's down the block. and i look at all these bleeding heart liberals, you know, that call in.
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you know, i'd like to see you move into this neighborhood. turf call the police every weekend from april to october because the neighbors around here don't have any consideration for you. they blast the music so loud that my ears fell off the wall after this year. and three weeks ago, i call the police about the party next door that was going on for hours. i'm talking about super loud music like an arena in their backyard. they threw bottles at my house for calling the cops. this is ridiculous what's going on. host: all right, jim. let's move on to jackie. jackie is in jackson in -- jacksonville in north carolina. hey, there. caller: hi. good morning. host: good morning. caller: i want to say that i worked for a man, a chinese man who has three restaurants and between the three restaurants, there's 20 illegals.
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and he claims -- one chinese man on the taxes and say his name is dan and pays him $15 an hour. but actually what he's doing is he's paying two illegal immigrants like $6 an hour. well, this dan guy doesn't really work. he's just a family member of the chinese man. well, at the end of the year, the taxes are collected. they're paid. and the chinese man will collect social security because i already know that there's like four family members who are already collecting the social security. and they never worked a day in their life. their names was just on the book. so, he's giving these illegals for $5, $6 an hour and they have no other alternate tiff because he puts them in a house. there's eight, 10 people in a
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house. he pays their electricity. and he gets them for nickles and dimes. -- nickels and dimes. and there's thousands of chinese restaurants in this country. just imagine that every one of those is doing that. host: ok, the voice of jackie there. if you look at box.com this friday morning, they write that the mississippi i.c.e. raids expose the biggest problems of u.s. immigration laws. they ignore the high demand for workers to fulfill low skilled jobs in america after fundamental flaw they're writing. american immigration laws do practically nothing, they write, to address the main cause of illegal immigration, super high demand for low skilled work. there's practically no way for low skilled worker from guatemala to wait in line for a visa to take a job at a chicken processing plant in mississippi. only one such visa exists but it's limited to a tiny number of
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people, 5,000 max. yet box where is the u.s. economy needs hundreds of thousands of workers to fill these jobs right now. the u.s. is experiencing a serious labor shortage and it is harder for business to find low skilled workers these days than high skilled workers. shelly is calling from massachusetts now. good morning. shelly, are you there? caller: yeah, hi. i like to state with the person on tv to voice my opinion. host: you are on the air right now live. so go right ahead now, shelly. caller: oh, sorry. i'm just wondering these people coming in illegally were overwhelmed. i'm just saying, how come you to not care? even like nancy pelosi, all the democrats care more about the illegals than they do the american people. it seems like they have more
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rights. like the new democrats running for president. they want to give them free, you know, free insurance, take away our private insurance. that's not fair. host: anything else you want to add, shelly? caller: yeah. it's not -- nuts. host: ok. ok, shell yi, we got your point. got about 10 minutes left. i want to get through several more calls if we can. nancy this farmington, new mexico. go ahead, please. hi, nancy. caller: good morning, yes. thank you for c-span. host: you bet. my nieces --al and ey have more opportunities
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than money and care and i have -- and there's a young lady who has 24 children and gets no help from anywhere and she was born here in america. her kids were born in america and they get no help at all. and illegal means just that you break the law. i think the law should be followed to a t. i think -- i thank you so much for taking my call. host: you are welcome. there's some other news on the gun story which we've been talking about for the last several days. "wall street journal," mcconnell, the majority leader in the senate and trump talks guns. they are discussing how to tackle the gun violence following the two mass shootings with the kentucky republican saying background check proposals will be front and center in the senate deliberations. so underscoring a sense of
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urgency after these shootings in el paso and dayton. mcconnell told a radio station that the president is anxious to get an outcome. and so am i. so the majority leader, the city spoke with mr. trump on thursday and did not endorse a specific course of action nor did he call back to work. saying the time would be better used to review options than to win bipartisan resort than to engage in pointless scoring. both house and senator back on monday, september 9 for more action. the speaker of the house has urged the president to call congress back in session. that's not happening. but at least as far as the reporting goes, we see the dialogue is continuing on all of this. donovan calling from edgewood, maryland, now. good morning. caller: yes, sir. thank you for c-span. host: you are welcome. caller: i would just like to comment. my wife was born in chile.
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she's 48 years old. host: ok. caller: she's an american citizen since she's been 2 years old. she's been living in the united states. she works in the retail business and a lot of times, she has people come in to her place of business and tell her to go back to mexico. people have no understanding on with it's like to treat people this way. i just -- i don't understand why people hate the way they do, and i just wish it would all stop. thanks again for c-span. host: thank you, donovan. laurel calling from madison, wisconsin now. good morning. hello, laurel, are you there? caller: i'm mora from virginia. host: is this madison, virginia? caller: no, madison, virginia. host: ok. we are glad to have you. go right ahead.
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what's your name? caller: mora. host: ok. go ahead, please. caller: in central virginia where i live, i don't know of hirees but the -- ersity of virginia [indiscernible] and that provides housing for them. but the town that it live in there's a winery and the winery puts them to work in the vineyard and they provide housing and a car and medical. but another issue that i think is part of this that i don't hear people talking about is what the effect on social security for the workers that are using somebody else's social security number. there are literally billions of llars in the social security percentile from the employer file. these were earnings under
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somebody else's number and under a fake social security number. the name doesn't match. so those earnings, the deductions go into a suspense file but now they're contributing to the social security funds. but it's the scramble of earnings that creates a nightmare for i.r.s. and social security because the legitimate orker who goes to file a retirement, that he has somebody else's earnings on his record. social security actually went to congress and asked them to help and congress wouldn't do it. so -- but the nursing homes are begging for workers. but they pay such little fees the restaurants want the illegal workers because they're hard workers. the mexicans are very hard-working people.
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i actually taught english as a second english to hondurans, mexicans 20 years ago and they e very hard working family people. host: thank you for your thoughts this morning. i want to remind you about our political programming later today from the iowa state fair. we'll be live at 10:00 eastern time this morning right after this program with more speeches. -- including castro, yang and delaney and will hear from marion williamson today and tulsi gabbard. and several presidential candidates today, tomorrow and sunday. today is 10:00 a.m. eastern time. you can watch it live on c-span. and at the same time, "u.s.a. today" is reminding joe biden and elizabeth warren is leading. warren is rising but as a --
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it's a poll from monmouth university. you can see the current figures. 28% for the former vice president. 19% for the senator from massachusetts. kamala harris and bernie sanders lower. and also in that top tier in iowa, the mayor of south bend indiana at 8%. dee is calling from allen, texas. good morning, dee. caller: good morning. thank you for having me. host: you're welcome. caller: so i really want to focus on the issue with the employers that are hiring the illegal immigrants. i think that if the federal government really wanted to crack down on illegal immigrants, they would first crack down on these companies that are hiring illegal immigrants. host: so why do you think that's not happening, committee?
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caller: look at what just happened to mississippi. actually live in texas in a city where i.c.e. came in and raided a company right in my city. was completely unaware of it. and so they came in and they raided this tech company or -- not quite sure what kind of company it was so much it's not just poultry factories. it's any kind of company where it's a factory that they can get away with hiring illegal immigrants and paying them $6 an hour. but you have read an article on about low skilled workers and i just want to say when you say low skilled workers and not you in particular but the article itself, they talk about minimum wage. minimum wage is $7 and some change. and so it's easier to get someone to come in and work for $7 and some change than to get
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americans to take that kind of job because we know we cannot survive on that kind of money. we know that. and so that's why i think it's the companies who need to be held at a much higher standard more so than the illegal immigrants because they are just trying to come in for economic opportunity. whether that's right or wrong, that's not for me to debate but the focus needs to be more on the company that hired these illegal immigrants and pay them, you know, $2 an hour and knowing that we as americans would not accept that. host: ok. got the point, dee, from allen, texas. thanks to everybody who called in over this first hour. we will switch topics here. when we take a short break, we'll take a closer look at manufacturing here in the u.s. and the impact that the trump administration's trade policies on pluffering. scott paul will be with us. he's with the alliance for american manufacturing. and later in this program, "washington journal" podcast week continues with jennifer briney, host of a podcast called
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of government so you can make up your own mind. brought to you as a public service as your cable or satellite provider. announcer: washington journal continues. host: at the table right now is scott paul, president of the alliance from american manufacturing. welcome back to the table. remind us of the history of your group, how you started, and who you represent. partnershipe a between the united steelworkers union, the largest american industrial union, and some manufacturers. that makes us unique, where you have labor and business sitting at the same table solving problems together. manufacturing 12 years ago was in crisis, and i think channeling ben franklin, who said that we must all hang but if we don't, we will most assuredly hang separately. is how our partnership was
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formed. what i think we have been successful in getting the importance of manufacturing across to the american people and policymakers. we still have a long way to go. host: we will take a couple of -- we will take phone calls and a couple of minutes for scott paul. if you work in manufacturing, 202-748-8000umber -- -- call this number. 202-748-8000. for everyone else, 202-748-8001. you worked with david bonior, the democrat from michigan. how about this question -- describe the condition of american manufacturing now in 2019. guest: i would say it is a mixed picture. we are certainly far better off than we were 10 years ago in the midst of the great recession, which caused the biggest downturn in the history of monumented factoring -- of
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monitored -- of modern manufacturing. , you know, when we are looking at inventories and prices and exports and imports and all of that, are still positive, but they are less positive than they were two years ago. manufacturers have certainly benefited from the overall health of the economy and are seeing orders. impact, --een trade trade impacted, some positively and some negatively. we are better off than we were 10 years ago. there are some signals that there could be some trouble thed, and part of that is business cycle kind of coming to an end. i think part of that may be the stimulus that was provided by again, back tond
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the trade picture, some firms will benefit from that and others may experience challenges. the: let's look at some of statistics on american manufacturing. if you look back to 2000, 17 .2 million people were employed in manufacturing. 2005 tober dropped by 14.2 million. by 2010 it was 11.6 million. it started to go up around 2015, now up at 12.8 6 million. why the rise in manufacturing jobs? drive --nufacturing manufacturing jobs have been rising consistently since the end of the great recession because the economy has growing. manufacturing had shed a lot of capacity, a lot of workers, adding them back. another thing that contribute it back to that was the auto rescue. the automotive industry plays an outsized role in manufacturing. it is responsible for about one out of every nine manufacturing
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jobs, directly or indirectly. that industry really surged after the auto rescue, and that was helpful as well. large company like boeing and exports saw a lot of orders coming in. boeinge companies like that exports saw a lot of orders coming in. the obama administration focused on a healthy ecosystem for manufacturing, more than a lot of other presidents have had. this president has a different approach, but it is something that has gotten a fair amount of attention from policymakers. 2020 what are the candidate saying about manufacturing, and is it appealing to you? guest: they will be competing in states, particularly in the general election, where there is a large manufacturing footprint. pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin. some have issued detailed plans. elizabeth warren, for instance,
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i know she has a plan for everything, but she does have a plan for manufacturing that is fairly detailed. candidates have been asked about trade policy issues and have taken a stance. virtually all of them understand the complexities and challenges faced in manufacturing and that policy can make a big difference. this is not just kind of a natural churning capitalism that either sheds jobs or ads jobs, but there is a big policy component as well. it has not come to the surface in the presidential debates. there has been a question asked in each debate about it, but it is something that the candidates are going to be talking more about, particularly as they talk to voters who have a connection to the factory in those industrial states. host: you said that manufacturing still is in crisis era defined that crisis, and what are your biggest concerns?
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guest: manufacturing, like no other segment of our economy, is an international competition. what happens in other countries, our policy toward other onntries, has a great impact how well manufacturing is doing. that picture is still very cloudy. the president was right when he diagnosed our trade policy as being a net drag on manufacturing. that was absolutely the case. that he has made extraordinary interventions in it, and some have had helpful impacts, some have created some uncertainty, but we still have -- we still face the challenge of lopsided imbalances. a currency that is probably too strong to be competitive for our exporters, and we also face the challenges where we have labor and environmental standards in the united states that i think we all value.
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we are competing against other countries where that is not the case. there still isn't a mechanism to account for that. the 50-our wages -- the 50-our nots, the pollution, we are expecting to go back down to that level. how do we account for it in our economic policy? host: we will talk about trade as well. calls are coming in now. manufacturing has added about 8000 jobs so far this we're -- this year. that is after adding 22,000 jobs per month in 2018. let's go to seattle. oftt paul is the president the american alliance for manufacturing. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a couple points to make. first of all, this trade policy is based on trump and republican
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socialism. what they are paying farmers -- isn't that socialism, the government taking over a section of the economy? these are his workers also. they are manipulating employment. he always talks about black people and jobs. the most jobs, the lowest unemployment rate was during slavery when all of us had jobs. that did not work out too good because you had no benefits, you could not get paid anything, and you could have no wealth. all the government -- all the republicans talk about is the stock market. they are manipulating. the job participation rate is the lowest it has been since 1958, so where are all these jobs and things coming from when i am in -- and i see these people that are not working, and
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it says it is 6%. if it was 6% for white people, there would be an outrage. remember john boehner? where are the jobs? raised athink eric couple of points. i will make three points in response. black american workers have been affected disproportionately by deindustrialization. they had recoveries that are not as robust. because african-americans were disproportionately represented in manufacturing, you saw this in cities like newark and baltimore and st. louis, and we are still seeing the remnants of this after several decades. i think that is an important point. second, and i think eric referenced this as well. some factories are closing. if you hear the president's
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rhetoric, we are in a new era of manufacturing, and we are seeing job creation. but at the same time we are seeing general motors shutdown factories in the united states. ikea shut down a plant in virginia. harley davidson scaled back in milwaukee. carrier, even though the president made a big deal out of saving jobs there, a lot of them still went to mexico from my home state of indiana. that fundamentally has not shifted either. and then to the final point, with respect to the payments to the farmers, who have been the in the of retaliation trade enforcement actions, that is a good point as well and i have concerns about it. that the government should make you whole with trade policy. i have no qualms with that. we talked about this. manufacturing shed about 5
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to 2009.obs from 2000 there is this tiny little program called trade adjustment assistance for manufacturing workers. -- $1s maybe one of billion or $2 billion per year. that is for 5 million workers, many of whom, bubbly more than 3 million of them, can connect their job loss to international competition. and here you have a very small but important section of the economy, and the amount of money that is being poured into it -- and a lot of it is going to corporate agriculture as well. there is some distance there, and i have concern about that. host: talk about job training programs, for those of t who hae lost their jobs. guest: the challenge is this. the older worker coming out of a his or her 40's or 50's, the harder it is going to be to make that transition.
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that is a consistent data point we have seen over decades. we still have not solved that particularly well. the opportunity is this. in part because there is a bulgeatic -- demographic of older workers who will be retiring in the next decade. there will be millions of job opportunities. we have a system of job training that has been shifted gradually to services in other sectors, away from the craft and skilled trades. that has an impact as well. our policymakers recognize this. i have heard the presidential candidates talk about this, and the administration. apprenticeships, per -- for young people in high school, just out of high school, as well as older workers, and getting them into manufacturing programs as well. i think it will ultimately take one part government, one part private sector, and one part understanding on the part of
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toents, to allow their kids pursue a dream that is not necessarily a four-year college degree. host: from buffalo, new york, joe calling. good morning. joe, are you there? caller: i am here. how are you doing? you see where i am from. i have been through hell. i am 58 years old, i was a welder. not sure if you can hear my voice, but i sit around all day and don't talk to a single human being. this is what is causing all these ills in society. i cannot stand the way people talk about not raising the windham wage -- the minimum wage. aboutd like you to talk what would happen to our economy if you stop screwing around and raise the minimum wage. these people spend the money. it goes right back into the economy. what is so hard to explain. host: thank you, joe.
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raising the minimum wage. guest: i can tell that joe feelings are heartfelt. feelings are heartfelt. loss tears at job the social fabric is something else. wages in manufacturing need to grow. this is part of the disconnect. there are some manufacturers that say i cannot find any skilled workers are the economic answer to that is you have got to raise wages somewhat. raising wages would be good. joe is right. people get that money, they are going to spend it. there will be a circular effect in the economy. studies have also shown that it has not resulted in any sort of severe job loss. it is a net positive contribution. you have more people paying into the system, you will have less drawing from public assistance and it will be a net benefit.
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the problem in manufacturing is not high wages. the problem in manufacturing is the type of level playing field we have for competition with our competitors overseas. i think it would help our economy. i think it is long overdue. wages have been growing far more slowly than housing costs, than other sorts of costs as well. it is putting many, many families, getting the american dream out of their reach. i think that is wrong. host: who are the largest manufacturers right now in the country? guest: the largest manufacturers -- boeing is one of the largest net manufacturing companies. if you ask any oil and gas company, they have a lot of workers. and the auto sector. when you're talking about general motors, ford, they also
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employ under their own corporate entities tens of thousands of manufacturing workers. host: let's hear from randy, from iowa. good morning, randy. caller: good morning, gentlemen. i am really thankful for this morning's conversation because it is a war of oprah against the working class. and whether -- it is a war of of oppression against the working class. i want to frame that against what you mentioned earlier about carrier and donald trump. when trump was running for office, he tried to save 1100 or 1200 or something jobs in indiana through carrier. they were going to get a subsidy that was -- a tax subsidy that was created under george bush that the democrats and nancy pelosi tried to get rid of in congress but failed, because her
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own party, the blue dogs of her party, some time ago. the point is that the jobs that were saved that did not take the tax cut -- the tax subsidy from the federal government, was then subsidized by the state of indiana, as i understand. companyhere were -- the has a revolving door of tax subsidies from taxpayers, whether it be from the state level or the federal level, and it is because the laws for these -- that were created under the bush administration for outsourcing have not been addressed either republican congress as of recent. i hope i made my point, and there are a lot of things -- one other point i would like to touch on is that, with $22 trillion in debt and having to borrow all stimulus and everything else, the auto industry is major.
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if you look at retail sales and what is going on in this country, the cities, if we have in manufacturing, there will be a lot of jobs lost in manufacturing. thank you very much, gentlemen, for your awareness with this program. guest: randy raises two points. first with respect to tax incentives, he is right. that still has not been fixed, and in fact there is recent evidence out that the tax theges that were made in tax reform bill that was passed about two years ago have not reduced the incentives for companies to offshore jobs. are parking about as much money overseas as they were before, even though the bill a stance of the was designed to get some of that money back in the united states. he is absolutely right about that. the second part is with respect to the auto sector, and this is
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a concern of mine as well. the components of an automobile and everything that goes into it from the tires, the glass, all the parts -- that is a big supply chain that has a footprint in all 50 states. if the auto industry goes south, that has an impact on a lot of small-town communities all over the country. we have been there before. we know what this looks like. a lot ofr touring these small towns from texarkana , texas, to outside detroit, michigan, and seeing the vacant lots that used to be out at the dealers, the plants that have been closed down, and it was devastating for those communities. i think that if we see the industry headed that way, we know that we need to make some changes. we are not there yet. the industry is building a lot of particularly trucks and suvs,
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and they are doing well. i was outside chicago at a ford plant where they were hiring hundreds of workers every month and they are doing well. but we cannot assume that is the case always, so we need a strong foundation for a manufacturing base and make those trade policy changes and some of those other changes that will boost the fortunes of manufacturing companies. paul, from the alliance for manufacturing peer he was also a member of president trump's manufacturing council in 2017. what was that experience like? why did you resign? guest: it is a good question. i would say the experience was think that- i councils like this can do one or two things. and can recommend policies drive change. i think unfortunately the administration did not use it
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for that. it was more a way to gather people to do appearances with the president. getting -- myself having to defend administration policies that i completely and ardently disagreed with. the bottom line is that others like kevin frazier from merck, and brian from intel, was that the president's comments during what was happening in charlottesville with the white supremacists were completely inadequate. and unbecoming of a president. so i resigned. it was an easy decision to make, and we still feel like we can influence policymakers on capitol hill, but i did not need to be part of defending administration policies that i vehemently disagree with. do youn trade, where disagree with the president most? has diagnosed he a lot of really important
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problems. china, and the myriad of issues that we have with china, the fact that nafta had to be renegotiated. the fact that we did have the deck stacked against us in a number of -- i think all of these are legitimate problems, and the past administrations did not do a good job of addressing them. i will say that i favor some of the president's interventions. i certainly favorite it with the steel industry. i would have done it differently, but i favored it. i certainly favor the renegotiation of nafta, although there is still work to be done to get it in the shape it needs to get. i think the president is absolutely right about our currency policy and how it is harmful to the trade deficit and also to exporting overseas. where i disagree is i think that tweeting trade policy by is a very dangerous thing, and it creates a lot of volatility
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in our markets, and a lot of uncertainty for our manufacturers. and it creates a lot of confusion for our allies. union, the european japan, the united states, canada, mexico, all have common certain -- common concerns about the way china conduct its trade business. with respect to intellectual property, the state ownership of its firms, and can enlist them to exert a much more forceful challenge. saying is thatt the president should stop and reverse 100% of this or that canada should be calling on him. we need a thoughtful policy. i think we do need to tackle these issues head-on. i would prefer a much more strategic approach from this administration. host: james from georgia. good morning, james. caller: good morning, c-span. good morning, c-span. good morning, mr. paul. guest: good morning.
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caller: i would like to associate my call with joe from new york. i am a 50 two-year-old black man and i worked in manufacturing since i left the -- i am a 52-year-old black man and i worked in manufacturing since i left the military. a small assembly plant i worked in was moved to china. i know they did it for market share. there are obviously a lot of people in china and they need planes. my thing is this. i don't think the american people understand that those jobs are never coming back. those companies left the united states for cheap wages. they left for cheap wages. let's just break it down. i am a union man also. , d 23 member of ibb local right here. i am a union man from beginning to end. these companies leave, they get cheap labor, they go to countries where people can be
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controlled, and now turnaround 30 years later, i am getting ready to retire hopefully, and we are in a trade war fighting for corporate america's bad decisions. if you knew you were going to have to give up your intellectual property when you went to china, and now come to find out, lo and behold they were taking it and now they are using it, why is it incumbent on the american people, taxpayers like myself, to fight this war for corporate america? it is not my fault. none of this is my fault. none of this is the fault of the american people who get up and go to work every day. why should i have to sacrifice? none of this is their fault. none of this is their fault. host: mr. paul? guest: james i think raises some really important points here. first of all, he is absolutely right, a lot of corporations have gone because they could. there was nothing in our
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policies that would stop them from doing this, so they sought to have export platforms and other countries with lower wages, fewer environmental controls, maybe closer to the export market, in the case of boeing. but they also sacrificed property and the manufacturing base in the united states. we are in a straight conflict imposedna and we have tariffs and china has retaliated. that has negatively impacted some farmers. there is a great deal of evidence of that. i was in indiana a few weeks ago and i saw a lot of the fields that have yet to be planted with soybeans because there was no market for the crops. that said, i also agree a lot of those jobs are not coming back. the president i think misleads people when he says we are going to have a manufacturing base like we did in the 1950's or the 1960's. that is simply not the case.
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i look at this as a battle for the future. i think companies respond to incentives, and we need to have the right incentives and we cannot the right incentives in place to make sure they are manufacturing more products in the united states and shipping them overseas. part of that is the tax code, part of that is the training policy, part of that is the trade policy. we absolutely have to do that. -- whoern, for instance is going to be making vehicles, who is going to be making all of the equipment if we are going to do space colonization, robotics, nanotechnology, even gadgets we have not imagined yet? creating a system in the united states where we can do that is very important. i don't know that this president has the complete set of policies to do that because it takes infrastructure investment and other things. we have to have that conversation. it is not about letting go of
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jobs of the past. it is grabbing the jobs of the future as well. they will be there, and the only question is, where will that stuff be made? i want to see policy like that in the united states. host: back to tariffs -- is it a good policy that the president is invoking with tariffs? guest: two years ago when the administration announced this push on china to deal with unfair trade practices, i was very supportive because it is agreed upon there is a lot of unfair practices coming from practice -- with respect to intellectual property, the lack of market access, and the list goes on. thatghout this, i think the administration's negotiation team, including ambassador leigh
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-- i have a lot of hope. i am -- we are not in the place i want to be right now. it is escalating. and while i don't think that most americans have seen any pain from the trade conflict so far because i think a lot of it has been absorbed either through currency devaluation or u.s. retailers squeezing their contractors in china, i do not think that has shown up in consumer prices and the government data has not indicated it has either. that could soon change. which means we will be entering a new phase. i think it is important to make a fundamental change with china in our economic relationship, and i am glad that the president has stuck to it. past administrations have been willing to negotiate and negotiate and not get any results.
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so the question for me, i don't think tariffs can be the end game. i don't think we can sustain 25% terrace forever. i don't think that is a good policy. if we can use them as leverage to get a different sort of economic relationship with china, then it will be worth it. i think the real question is, is the administration capable of producing that change? let's go to melissa in evansville, indiana. you are on with scott paul. how are you this morning? the tax cut act that the republicans passed, the new law allowed companies to bring back $2.6 trillion for a one time low rate of 15.5% for liquid assets and 8% for real estate and other investments. is that right? guest: that was the design of the plan, according to
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republicans, that it would encourage companies to repatriate some of their offshore income. i don't think it has worked out that way, however. caller: not to interrupt you, but after that one-time deal, foreign profits are not subject to that one-time income tax. so what is the incentive for them to mix it up here? guest: lewis, i completely agree. i don't think that was the right set of incentives to bring jobs or corporate income back to the united states, and there have been some recent studies that brought farit has less income back then was imagined. it certainly has brought a wave jobs -- we have seen some companies bring jobs back to the united states, but those are anecdotes. as i mentioned earlier in the program, we are still seeing a
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lot of companies shift -- ship jobs overseas, so that tax strategy has not fundamentally changed the equation. host: don from kansas. up -- ii actually drew actually grew up in detroit. things changed there. it used to be 1.85 million people and a lot worked in manufacturing, and now there are under 700,000 people. they used to be the world's greatest manufacturing area. the auto companies -- there were 43 factories south of southern indiana. 41 of them are foreign owned. only two of them are run by gm. gm and ford have fallen to fourth and fifth place in the world and the number of cars they produce. i would say the main problem is that finance capital, working with the industrialists, took power and moved things that they do not care about our country.
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they want to maximize profits and think they can survive, use the u.s. military to try and contain dissent in other places. i just do not see a whole lot of the future. we need to take control of this. tariffs were used to build this country. the tariff money was then used to subsidize industries and is subsidized -- and to subsidize social benefits. japan did this, china did this as they were rising. it is a harder solution in a country that has been heavy industrialized and has lost it. thank you. host: thanks for calling. don raised a bit of history there. it was a hamiltonian approach economy today.he he is right. it was copied by the successful industrial economies in korea, in japan, in germany, and elsewhere.
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i think the question is, what works in the 21st century? i think we are still struggling with that. but he touched on something i think is vitally important that a financial issue and a -- that is the extent over which wall street has control over decisions in corporate board rooms, and the complicit in this with them. that is with american workers. if a manufacturer, which by definition has a lot of capital sunk into his or her operations, has to operate with quarterly earnings in mind, which is very short-term, it is an ill fitting system. that is perhaps why other countries have performed better in manufacturing then we have. germany, for instance, which has a lot a family owned companies, has done far better in holding onto its manufacturing base and the united states have. -- dan the united states has. we -- than the united states
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has. let's take a little bit into usmca a bit more. a new version of nafta. what do you like and not like, and what is the status right now? there is a deadline coming, right? guest: yes, there are deadlines coming. but all deadlines are fungible. speaker pelosi has a lot of control over this process and can change the rules anytime that a majority of the house will agree to, which is basically any time she will agree to it. what i like about the renegotiation so far is that the administration touched on issues that were vitally important for workers. including making sure that automobiles receive tariff-free content only if they are robustly manufactured in north america. that means not a lot of parts coming from china and other
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countries as well. content, theehicle north american content of the vehicle. that could be improved, but it is a good starting point. the second is the enforcement mechanism for workers rights. i have been to mexico, i have seen workers struggling for rights in the workplace. it has been virtually impossible. changes- we are seeing in mexico. we probably need to see some more changes to the usmca and robust enforcement. i know the administration and the ambassador are talking with the democrats in the house about that. i think that is vitally important. also a couple of the callers touched on the role of corporate entities in our policy, and one thing that usmca does is that it takes out this controversial dispute, tote of
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sue the change of policies and other governments or that is a stunning -- and that is a stunning -- i think there is a deal to be had. they are -- there are a lot of things that stand in the way of that. it is a pretty toxic political environment right now, but i think many of the changes the democrats want are worth pursuing. i actually think there are some folks in the administration who would be comfortable with those changes, and i think there is a deal to be had if they want it. host: huntington, west virginia, where donald is on the line for scott paul. caller: i have been in manufacturing for 15 years, all over the united states. automation is a key factor in taking jobs, reducing the labor force. working. then you have the factories
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going to cheaper labor in china and mexico, because of safety aspects. they can build a cheaper factory in mexico or china and you do not have to worry about all factors that osha deals with. that that is going to be the main factor in taking over. and the human element is going to be disappearing from , a very limited human element. there will be a temp service where they do not have to provide benefits. with manpower, staffing agency. seeamerican people do not timing.
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they do not care about the little man, they are all about profit. what is your take on all this automation, like the truck drivers? getting ready to take over the truck driving industry, and the teamsters and all these other things in texas. host: thank you, donald. guest: he has unwrapped two of the biggest challenges facing manufacturers in the future, the globalization, throwing in the competition with low-wage workers, and the squeeze from automation and robotics. i will give you my take on it. only the future will tell us what happened. i look at what happened with atm machines, and there was a production it would wipe out and tellers across america. but there are more people working in banks today than there were when atm's came on. they are giving -- they are doing different things, selling different services, but they are there.
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that will also happen in manufacturing. you will not see a lot of the labor-intensive jobs that you saw, i would say 30 or 40 years ago, in your father or grandfather's factory. but there will be jobs there. if you look at the tesla factory in fremont, california, it looks like the terminator in there. it is crazy. there are a lot of robotics, but there are also about 3500 workers. they are doing things that the robots cannot. there will be a lot of things that even artificial intelligence cannot do, that the human touch can, well into the future. i think it is a matter of finding the career pathways and the upscaling that will be involved in making a transition to that type of workplace. i don't think automation is going to kill jobs. i think it puts a ceiling on manufacturing jobs.
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what kills manufacturing jobs are recessions and bad policy. the question is, if we are buying cars from china in the united states, that will kill jobs in the united states. robotics is going to impact workers everywhere. it is important for policymakers to have this understanding and to get the policy write and understand it is not either/or. you have to make them smart. you cannot wish they are going to go away. and you cannot assume that robotics are going to kill all the manufacturing jobs because that is not the case. host: george from lakeland, florida. caller: good morning. i am hearing a lot of this, and i have had a lot of time to think about this. i hear a lot of people calling to explain that they are in manufacturing. to -- whatn who has i am hearing is the biggest
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problem is i don't care about wall street and i don't care about the government policies. you take all these people in , they all go to walmart and buy their close and everything, and if they look at the table, they are made in china or mexico or some other country. we the people can solve this whole problem if everything you buy says made in america. there will not to -- there will not need to be anything else. they will have to start making the stuff here instead of in mexico. and i don't care about the north american thing here. it should be made in the united states. so everybody complaining needs to go look in their closets at -- label on their clothing at the labels on their clothing. look in the mirror. guest: look, i agree. if you can buy american, it is a great thing to do, to do exactly
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what george has outlined, to create more of a circular economy. i am fortunate enough to have an american-made suit on. there are not a lot of -- there are a lot of people who are not in that position who have low-wage jobs and do not have a lot of time. you have to go and search out and find american-made goods these days. it is not automatic that you can assume it will be on a retail shelf. there are two challenges here. one is that there is a definite trade policy that we need and a tax policy that will in sent -- that there will -- that will inc ent production. our consumer policy right now is i want it cheap and i want it now. there are some places that if you want sustainability and local communities to thrive, that buying local is important. and you do see some -- you see
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the farm table restaurants or the craft beers that have popped up, the other craft markets, massding that tomorrow marketing goods. you see people doing innovative work there, but we still have -- if we have a higher wage economy, it is going to be easier to buy american as well. host: the trans-pacific partnership, tpp, which president trump pulled out of -- was that a good idea? guest: i think it was a bad idea. the government's own study at the time, the itc, figured it would cost 50,000 manufacturing jobs. that was the baseline estimate, and those are usually low end when it comes to factory jobs. so do we need a point of leverage to write rules so that china will not? yes, we do.
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tpp was not that mechanism. it fell short in many of those areas, and again, it was an agreement largely negotiated by wall street and multinational companies, and even though it was done in the obama administration, it did not represent progressive values. renegotiated and perhaps use a democratically infused usmca as a baseline for that? i think it is quite possible to do that, but going back to tpp is not the answer. that is actually something that bernie sanders, hillary clinton, and donald trump agreed on, and the tpp as written was not an acceptable trade agreement. host: but we know that the president favored bilateral trade agreements rather than the big broader agreements.
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is one approach versus the other better or worse for manufacturing? thet: it is certainly bilateral approach that is more complicated. it may ultimately be more effective because you have more leverage in a bilateral situation, so i think the president is right about that. again, i look at the results and what has been done. so far, we have modest changes to the u.s.-korea agreement. we have negotiations with japan, we may have negotiations with the european union at some point in time, and with the u.k. so that is a slow process. that said, there was not a lot of progress made on large multilateral agreements over the last two decades, but the last gasp of that was at the wto in seattle about 20 years ago, and that completely fell apart because there was a lot of opposition for it. i think it does make sense to look at bilateral agreements,
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and to enter agreements, and i think we referred to elizabeth warren's plan. she and others say we should trade with allies that believe in workers rights, that believe in the environmental standards, that want to raise them up rather than lower them down. that is a point of success for the united states. host: eli from michigan, good morning to you. caller: make no mistake, free trade is beneficial. when you buy a foreign product, you are buying american because you can save money buying a cheaper, low-cost foreign product, and you can use that money to start a business. but what we are dealing with with china, and to an extent, russia and iran, transcends economics. it deals with life and liberty. china goes to beijing. china is holding millions of muslims in western china in prison, and concentration camps. they are persecuting people in
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hong kong, and they may yet sink a u.s. carrier in the south china sea with technology. trump is risking recession to challenge china and protect american national security. so trade policy stops when national security. i i support trump even though am a free trade are. that you raised the national security point because i agree with many of them. unfortunately, the president is not cited what has been happening in hong kong or with respect to the uighurs as a rationale. national security was a rationale for the steel industry tariffs, the aluminum tariffs, and for investigations on some other manufacturing goods. but he has approached this intellectual property from a
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trade deficit perspective and a currency perspective, and i think there are a lot of reasons to be concerned about the limitations of that approach. is an area of possible agreement with democrats on capitol hill and the administration, if there were more rights based restrictions based on trade. i think you would find support for that on capitol hill. there is a lot of concern about the treatment of the uighurs, what is happening and how china is not using its trade surplus with the united states to create a national security apparatus, but it is building up a dictatorship rather than forming its economy and getting it toward more democratic norms. congress members of generally behind president trump on china right now? guest: i would say they are more behind him on china than on other trade issues. i think there are a lot of concerns about this particular
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approach, and again, about the apparent lack of strategy with respect to the china tariffs. look, i saw this with the steel industry as well. the administration had a steel industry investigation on tariffs. it said it was going to take action and then waited a very long time before it did. you saw imported steel coming in, and it hurt the industry more. then he announces the tariffs suddenly. it disrupts markets and keeps them on and suddenly kind of takes them off in mexico and canada, and it creates a lot of volatility where there does not need to be volatility. most members of congress would us china is not treating fairly. that is absolutely correct, and we need a stronger approach. but are these the right tactics to use to get the outcome that we are looking for? i think there are a lot of questions about that. but you have seen a considerable shift on that, and there is far more agreement in congress
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holding china to account than any of these other trade issues. calling from chicago. hello, john. visited mytt, you assembly plant. i spent the last five working years at that assembly plant after the recession came back. ford motor company hired the oldest electricians that got ofed in that last go round auto industry picking up. i worked my entire life in heavy industry. electricity, steel. i worked for 20 years in the paper industry, and i spend my last five years after the 99er in the was a auto industry. scott, can you talk about the importance of the auto industry in manufacturing in america?
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steel, heavyfe in industry, paper, and it was incredible to see scrap paper go and its and come back, was cheaper than what we could manufacture here. talk about the importance of the auto industry, and come back. we need to hear from you on another program. thank you, sir. guest: john, thank you. working classt neighborhood on the south shot of death south side of chicago. -- the south side of chicago. they have somewhere between 45 -- between 4000, 5 thousand jobs and employees. they supply a whole supply chain. you roadmap that all over the country and you can see why it is so important, particularly to a lot of small and midsize towns. as i said earlier in the
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program, the auto industry supports about one out of every nine manufacturing jobs, so that is one of the cores of our manufacturing base. it is perhaps the most visible one. this is probably the most expensive manufactured item that any consumer is going to be you why. that is going to buy. i believe it is important for a couple of reasons. we are moving into the next phase of mobility in this country, one that involves both electrification and autonomy. and someone will be making those vehicles somewhere. china is going gangbusters on that. gangbusters.g we need to do the same. that factory on the southside of chicago will not be making those combustion engine for explorers 20 years from now. i want them to make something and i want them to make something electric and something
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that is american-made, to have those jobs. and i think that we need a combination of trade, tax, workforce, infrastructure policies that are going to get there. but most of all we have to value that aspect of the economy and place a premium on it because it is entirely true that for most americans, and most americans do not get a career college degree, a ticket to the middle class is a manufacturing job. that requires more than a high school education these days. it requires some form of technical training or even a bachelors degree in some cases. we have to have a system that allows more people to get on that ladder. host: we have massachusetts on the line. hey, keeley. caller: good morning. my question today is about whether we should be looking outside the united states to the manufacturing industry.
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the united states gives foreign aid to pull countries out of extreme poverty, creating a consumer market that we could export too. we spend less than 1% of our total budget on foreign aid. but some americans think we spent 30% or 40%. it worked with the marshall plan in europe in the 20th century. my question is, do you think foreign aid could be used as a americansed manufacturing? if so, how can we make it a for politicians? to ouryes, it is manufacturing benefit to have much more equitable, sustainable development in more parts of the world and to ensure there is some american connection to that because we know that whether you view china as a threat or as a competitor, china is doing that right now. tightre doing it with aid, developing their own ports,
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with the belt and road initiative, and they are doing it very aggressively. so this is not about the cold war, the united states versus the soviet union, but it very much is about how we want to see development occur in these countries. i do think foreign aid can be incredibly valuable. what i do not to see is that it becomes a one-way street where we get low-wage imports coming in from those countries. that was a mistake that we made in the course of development in the 1970's and the 1980's and the 1990's. we do not want to repeat that, but i think we know enough about it to say what did work, what did not work, that foreign aid is not a drag on our economy. host: i meant to ask about the democratic candidates. does your organization endorse presidential candidates? guest: we do not. , andok at their policies so we have been looking so far.
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there are a lot of candidates, a lot of issues out there. but we have been tracking that, and there have been candidates who have been out there pushing either on trade policy or manufacturing or infrastructure, and i do not want to start naming them because i am sure i will leave a few out. but i think all of them know when they spend time on the ground, this is what i have found in all of these years of kind of presidential policies, is that when they start talking to voters and they feel the connection they have with the factory, either the factory that disappeared or the factory they want to keep open, their ears perk up. theyou have seen that, and challenge is not getting the candidates to talk about this. it is getting them to translate that into action once they get into office. and so that is what -- we are monitoring that very closely, and this is an issue that i think demonstrated bipartisan
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support without regard to whoever is in office. obviously a lot of policies are tied to trump these days. more call ryan from washington. caller: i want to talk about the company. i have lived in washington and oregon my whole life and general electric basically don't pay taxes. oregon, they don't have a lot of money. boeing got the biggest tax break and shington state history the argument is if we get rid of he tax break they will go somewhere else but the people don't have paychecks so they are you get the xes so money from the paoeeople paying housing, dealing with traffic and everything else and and basically the
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customers sos more you get more customers by having countries get industrialized. you are doing that on the back taxpayer. trying to ing and raise families and month what 'm saying is you forgot about us. you want cheap labor from mexico forgot about you the american, not a big fan of been going. guest: those are good points and i agree both at federal and level the tax incentives for multinational out of ions are way whack. something to consider is a system that requires these pull some monday out through taxes then return it investing iney are the community. if they invest in works and job
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capital equipment provide mmunity, then them with some incentive. but if you just give them not trying r tying -- tying them to the kicks. there used to be a stakeholder economy where you have the care about the communities. now it is short-term earnings and they look at the bottom lane every quarter as fundamentally that is one of the biggest have ngers manufacturers faced and it has an impact on works. >> scott paul american thanks for talking about the condition of manufacturing in the company. you.: thank host: we have one hour left of washington journal. come back we will have podcast week with jennifer "congressional dish" and more calls.
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kinds of stories that no one knew about. insufrbable at parties i started it as an to talk about this with anyone else that was interested. that ied in 2012 knowing didn't know were and wanted to about congress. started by trying to read every bill that passes the house reference. thought it was possible and that everyone in congress had to do that. not true. i found that out on air and ran ton of legislation and learned so much about how bills are put and i tried that a few ears and it didn't work so the podcast is evolving and now it fascinating me right now which is not being press.d by the mainstream
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so i look for the stuff congress is working on but you don't know of the time. "congressionalto dish" what will we see? guest: one of my favorite the medical bill started because a good friend emergency room with chest pains and called a doctor and the doctor said go to the e.r. to be sure and he did. he was fine. tests and sent him into up rdiologist and he ended with about $20,000 in bills and this possible.is i watched a couple of congressional hearings and went rabbit holes out of that and found out so many possible.w it is he worked for a company that is people al company with n many states and he has an
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wa germany everyone was talking about the war. and they go to bars would have debates on the television. i came home, i had to sit through everyone was like that was hard to come home and people not ack to caring and i didn't understand what that was. i didn't understand why people in europe but didn't really care on a day-to-day here. then i started to watching the covered realized it fwas differently. it as somber there and here is chock it off and i found by of fox is the way it was sold here. question i had about politics is why did we start that war and we you go hole every time you get an answer there are 50
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so i became s obsessed and blamed everything the bush administration but over the years it became obvious through many conversations with republican brother that there's nothing they could have congress's complicity in funding. o i started paying more attention to congress and found so much we didn't know. seeing at is it like there town from a distance and goes on in make that this town? guest: i think this town is isolated because there's so much i find shocking. the fact thate is people in congress don't read the bills they are voting on. that is a basic assumption i they must read them. the way things are done it seems
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about it? guest: there are more hearings for me. combat good at tez is questioning people and she's had has hearings she on committees she is not even on. of a ying to think specific moment and i'm drawing any timeut pretty much that she has questioning i perk up. i can't remember who she was don't want to i make up a name. host: how often do you put out a podcast? guest: about twice a month. ost: how do you decide what to cover? guest: that is the hardest part. sually what i have been doing for this congress because it is constantly evolving and i go digest once a ly six to 12 pages
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of beginning of the ongressional record and tells you what hearings took place. -span covers a lot but not all so that will tell me all of them has all e a note that the hearings into have taken congress so i16th go through them and i think i downloaded to my computer so we i'm on an two a e i try to watch day if it is a workday at home and i'm plowing through. hearings e about the is i find out about things that i don't know. has captured my attention. ht now on plane to come to d.c. i was watching about waste storage because i -- chernobyl.n them.go and download
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pique myt something to interest and i go from there. ideological have an stand? guest: i don't actually do. don't think it level and i don't think it helps my conversation as a nation. and take it issue by issue there are plenty of people who try to label me but i refuse. do you consider yourself a journalist? guest: i do, actually. exposing news that is the most and one of important things i do because i steady to earn people's trust i people my sources. so on "congressional dish" i give you every article and book i read and hearings and and transcripts so you can finds the clip and how n in context and judge i'm interpreting it. o my opinion shows up in my
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one episode i did last year that were excited about i looked at appropriations bills. tax t to know where my money is going. i do pay attention to stuff like that. i like comparing the numbers from last year to this year to the trends are going. one thing i think is a mistake the way funding is covered is e cover the president's budget which is a suggestion, congress doesn't have to do anything with especially the last three years they just i think in order. do he president wants to this or that and around fund and nobody knows what we did. so if i find something ntriguing in the international affairs budget i definitely highlight it. a lot of times by knowing where is going you can find out what we are trying to do in
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a lot of tries and in cases overthrow a government and hey are fascinating stories is i look at those budget lines and if there is something there i will talk about it. host: here is the piece you, or regarding surprise mechanical bills. -- medical bills. was two hours plus. . yes. that time?id you use guest: the meat of it is hour and a hour or half but tends to be an hour and don't really pay attention to time because one beautiful thing about a podcast is i'm not slot.d into a time so if i have an hour of an hour. to say i give the second half is me thanking it andand sometimes i do sometimes i have a guest join me listeners' ond to e-mails and go off on tangents.
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half.is the fun so even though you see the is odes 2 1/2 to 3 hours it only an hour. medical bill was longer. legal bribes.nd what do you talk about here? when i saw excited hr1. spent the first part of the year reading it and what i thought was going to happen. it is the democrats put together a package of bills that would a long way toward olving the problem of illegal contributions and i loved the bill and it was referred to 10 committees and the strategy i coming is i thought there were going to work this for two years knowing it probably would not be signed and be but perfect it talking about it the whole time.
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disappointed so see it was rushed through two ommittees and passed the house in march and nothing has happened since. that was disappointed in temper tantrum and i ixed it in how to end legal bribes episode and gave more details. clear cause it became congress was not going to solve i had sam fieldman ho is a lawyer at wolfpack joined me on the episode to idea of olfpack's getting around congress by using constitutional amendments. conversation and honestly, it is a tough road out way but i think it is the root of all of our problems so that is what that was. host: another line independent caller, mary.
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appreciate what you are doing because for an go to person to try to he congressional website or go other places you cannot bills.and the you can't understand the progress. and even the language they are in is archaic language that an average person can't it, cannot understand it. think that our government operates without our knowledge because no one bothers to inform us. even we you try to track a bill it is almost impossible to where it is. so i think it is important what you are doing. thing i'm interested in is laws.ry of our immigration they are a cobbled together mess. obsolete. of them are they don't apply to 21st century
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direction we want our country going. craziness. i think that the whole thing be s to be started over and made for the 21st century for modern america. host: how did you get familiar with all of this stuff on the all the arcane language? did you start reading and figure out? guest: in college i took a usiness law class as an elective and it wasn't scary to me. a lot of people found that to be the hardest class and it was easy for me. made sense to me and they give you a little code, to u.s. code so if you want see what they are changing you go look at the changes and put them together. so i had that training in that one class and we i did open a the first time i knew what i was looking at.
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mary is not wrong, if i didn't training it would have been harder especially bills that edit other bills. bills are written in english. quite a few you can read and it is easy and people impress that i read the mueller report but it is plain english. are a lot of things we can inform if we took the time which people don't rolls it is not -- don't realize it is as hard as you think. helps but experience helped. ndaa reviewed quite a few and it took a week of nonstep eadings the first time but now i know what i'm looking at. i know i don't have to read the and some are tion pushed from year it year so you can see the process. time in a given week would you spend reading?
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guest: if i'm doing an episode like that it is a full week. it hurts my eyes and i have to get away from it. of a problem because i'm sitting there staring at the do.puter and it is hard to but it took the entire welcome. brutal and a lot of graphs. it takes a lot of time. host: that last caller talked immigration. what do you make of the immigration debates? at an em--t remember we are at an impossible raised it nd i was southern california so i'm mexico lose to the border and the mexican people in y community have done nothing butten rich my community -- but nrich my community and i wish there was a fair easier path to
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i have a p because friend from bolivia who is now a citizen but the hoops she had to jump through are ridiculous. 20 years in this line and we make it far too hard. it is so politically charged ight now that i just don't see any progress. it is one of the issues that it angry and dressed. hanover, ne from pennsylvania on the democratic line. can i ask you a question and then i'll come back on this. you ever seen the movie it smith mmy stewart mr. comes to washington? guest: a long time ago but yes. want to ask you a question. do you think of mitch
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else ell and everything involv involved? i'm a democrat and proud democrat. these republicans, they are out the movie you see and you can relate on that. host: what in particular about senate majority leader are you talking about? what about him he is a hypocrite. ost: give us an example or two of. aller: every time the gun law comes up i don't want to do nothing with that. we are not going to have the talk aboutome in and that. come on. it ain't only that. rand paul he is ridiculous. host: dwayne has a problem with senator mcconnell. hat do you make of congressional leadership? guest: not a fan. fan since i n a started this. my journey in this podcast of
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horrified of what i see in congress. it is so different from what i expected. when i started i looked at the schedule of the house of thought i can read bills on monday and noah they -- know what they voted on friday but that is not reasonable. something that basic and just he does function and things that are overwhelmingly popular. checks.nd it is supported by 97% the away can't do that nd how both parties are dominated by corporate interests and that has been the unexpected my podcast. i didn't see that coming and now i can't unsee it. everywhere. then you see sponsor -- someone and you le sore a bill see this person has taken $10 p
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$100,000. it is like it is so obvious and infuriating and it is both parties. major party an answer? guest: i don't like parties. i don't think we need them. i think we can go issue by issue. i don't see the need to have the private clubs especially the presidential level which the republicans determine what the primary systems are and i don't think that is right. we should have private clubs dominated by corporate interests narrowing choices to two. if we were to change from two to hree i don't see that as helpful. there is a path and i checked in the house of representatives for an in every single district to run and win. parties n't need the and i would love to see more
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eople run outside of them for their districts and only for their districts. eureka, nathan from california on the line for republicans. guys.r: good morning, you you have me laughing, i like how he relates everything to a binary choice. she is very correct in that. rewind a little to the national defense authorization 2013.ecifically year and at that 2-239 they repeeled the smith oon act that allows officials to disseminate in the united states news information programs at uced by the government taxpayer expense. it is pretty troubling and i you have covered into in your podcast and, if heck of a rabbit hole. what are your thoughts on that?
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that. i remember we have something called the of america that we were not able to see before and now you can. that definitely disturbs me that ropaganda is legal here in the united states. called u had one constitutional crisis. what are you looking at here? right after the mueller report. may 31. yes. >> i brought the mueller report and i wanted ico it read it with no filter. did that. i did the episode and then i saw that as going on during period and what had happened during that period is the had told the al american people what was in the able to fore we were see it and misrepresented it.
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read that the trump administration really is colluding with usual serious things going to obstruction of justice general made it seem he was clear and you atched the hearing of attorney general barr. -- i was it is good horrified and what i saw was the really, really acting like a member of the and that nistration was concerning. canal crisis and maybe that was an extreme title, episode is what that was. barr is general concerning to me. from we go to california
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madison on the democratic line. caller: hey. a question regarding the u.s. has acted in terms of military internal and i want -- internalistic and i want to know the law passed on to the [inaudible] strategy strategy to target overty and environmental reporting to congress. what are your thoughts on that situation? thank you for telling me about it. i did not know about it. hole for me.bit if it has anything to do with
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i'm interestedes because that has been eye opening. was the id before it iraq war that started whatever his is and i thought it was a one off and the more i learned presence history and because we're trying to overthrow the government of learned the more i about our meddling in other affairs.s' it is stunning to me the history of these ve in all different countries and so many my,sodas whether ukraine, syr yria, we have this history of going into other countries and determining who their leadership our d if they do it with financial encouragement away go with the military and it and the concerns me financial coercion is the first step. global g like the fragility act i think she called
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raises a concern. i don't know what is in it but i ill look into it because that the pattern i'm witnessing. so when i see something like sounds great we will save the people of other country but that is usually not goes.t so : one podcast is yemen you look into foreign policy. some of the most popular. they are the most difficult i'm se a lot of times starting from scratch. i'm open about the fact that i know nothing about certain did know that yemen, there is immense uffering there and i wanted to know why we were involved. why are we giving weapons to united arab and emirates it fight this war and i episode and what shocked me was i didn't know we a role in overthrowing that
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government, too. spoiler alert that is what i found out in that episode. want to hear what i found is "congressional dish" 195. roger from lakewood, florida. aller: i was calling because last night i was watching a whered th they had james purcell who was instrumental in carter administration, he was handed the problem of how are al with refugees that beginning to starve and he gave that is the dias support ra that came about and somalia taliban attacking iraq and thousands of refugees. at that time they had no way it
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they were t so working with congress to act of the refugee 1980. fast forward to not too too much of -- not take much of your time but he said in by 2020 budget proposal 2019 allocation help3 billion for refugees assistance is being cut back to $400 million. i would wonder if you would taxpayersd what could and lobby adds exert -- exert pressure to provide help for refugees. roger, this is with i'm
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about. everything trump does gets so much press but he cannot just budget. so, if you want to make a difference on budgetary issues lobby your member of the house. they all start in the house and can do.what you but don't worry so much about the president's budget. just become ver law. that is congress's domain. "congressional dish" is the place to go. ou have all of these issues involving here in washington and all done from california. been jennifer as briney whose podcast "congressional dish." thanks for your time. guest: thanks for having me. time we will take a short and then look at campaign 2020 programming. back at a.m. we will be the iowa state fair for more of various ox features by candidates.
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delaney. mary kwrafpb williamson and we will listen to their speeches them meet and greet clouds starting at 10:00 a.m. afternoon.ough the we will be back with more of your calls. >> saturday on lectures and female activist and civil rights movement. were instrumental in helping to organize and put the together. the want was purely dominated by men. 4:30 p.m. eastern the tkpwhrbl significance of the declaration of independence and after the american revolution. it made their way it ecuador venezuela and over the 50-year period after
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author charles murray. >> you left that room and went what happened? >> the fact is i don't really much of it. i couldn't tell you what door we went out. but we were taken out fof the confronted with this mob of angry people some who masks and shoving and jostling. their target was charles murray. sunday night 8:00 p.m. eastern on q&a. >> "washington journal" continues. 17 minutes st 16 to we'll take your calls on campaign 2020. the an talk about any of candidates. then we will go to des moines of speeches rage and meet and greet from the iowa state fair. to call.the numbers 202-748-80
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202-748-8001. 202-748-8000. independents 202-748-8002. here is a little bit of of any rom the iowa state fair that kicked off yesterday with candidates. here is joe biden talking to the crowd. >> we are in a position where we lso have one of the best educated publics if we ins have in them. in them.invest there isn't any countries that can compete with us if we invest people. if we invest in who we are and remember who we are. there's not a thing we have been unable to do. concluding comment. it is time to remember who in god's name we are. united states of america. there's nothing we have ever been d to do we have unable to do. that is not high push la. we have never, never failed when we were together. it is time to get up.
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everybody knows who donald trump is is, even his supporters know. know who we t him are. we choose unity over division over next and truth over facts. me.you are interested, join i could use the help. must defeat there president to change the trajectory of this country. from the iowa state fair with joe biden. we will hear from other little bit and we will hear from many more today and saturday and sunday. headline from the "des moines register" gun policy organizing a organism following the shootings dayton and el paso. candidates will attends that told is on saturday. you there frey, are
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from washington? caller: yes, i'm here. go ahead. aller: i want to talk about indistinct conversation] california. hat is [indistinct conversation] make of t do you senator harris as a candidate? aller: i think she is ok as a candidate but i want her it appreciate where she came from nd [laughter] host: who do you like in the race, jeffrey? caller: honestly, i don't like none of them. i like trump. he history that a lot of the democrats have i'm not too pleased with. host: did you vote for president
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trump? no.er: host: thanks for calling, caller mentioning senator camilla new ad out of the here it is. >> she worked all day and poured whole heart into her family up our mother would sit trying to figure out how to make it all work. that is something most americans too well. that is what my 3:00 a.m. agenda is about. a real plan to help solve the worries. tax cutest middle class in a generation, another $500 in paid foret every month by repealing donald trump's tax and s for the top 1% richest corporations. healthcare for all with medicare companies that don't pay women the same as men into
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profits until they do. i'm fighting for real relief for families like yours, not in 20 years, starting my first day as resident because you have waited long enough to get a good night's sleep. host: back it calls on -- to from reston, virginia. democratic call. i wanted to talk about the be presidential race and i i'm a to say that supporter of bernie sanders for 2020 democratic primaries virginia and i want -- thishat i'm tkpgoing to year i'm turning 20 so this will be the first presidential
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that i vote in. i'm excited about it and i am the y concerned about direction my state is because my has been irginia turning increasingly democratic i feel like the establishment are the ones liked here especially in fairfax bernie ecause in 2016 sanders really could not get a votes in virginia and hillary clinton won and this concerns me because i feel like we nominate joe biden that we years of our more donald trump because if you run want to vote you have to run with really policy positions. host: what is it that you like
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about bernie sanders? the race?he bring to aller: i like that he's been [indistinct conversation] things like medicare for all and tuition free public and member wage and opposing the iraq war. has also fought to bar the deals like tpp. bars me throw -- bothers me about the trump jobs back, i ing will stop outsourcing but then shifts positions of nafta and is first year in office 93,000 jobs were
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outsourced. o i think that bernie sanders guy who says i'm a populist. i'm bringing the jobs back. trump is a phony. host: mary lou from connecticut, under caller. are you viewing campaign 2020? what is on your mind this year? caller: i just heard that little sound beside from joe biden. choose truth e to over facts. host: what does that mean to you? caller: i don't think he knows half the time ng and he's 76. to go in office and they are going to elect him over donald trump he will be 80 and terms he would be 84 and that is too old to be
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president. 87, the first vote i did was eisenhower and have gone through this whole shebang since then. for barack obama because i thought he deserved a term.d but i am really a supporter of feel so sorrynd i for this man. arrows that s and he is getting from that left is outrageous. self-control or anything. the white house has ever been insulted like this man. now red line, pennsylvania. jim. independent line. caller: i voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 election. i thought she was what we needed. i'm seeing what has been done
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i'm really surprised and happily surprised that what he's with the economy. my job is much better -- i have money since trump passed what they called the silly tax thing. you will votehink for him? >> yes, i think i will fp. i'm a registered democrat -- i wasered independent but a democrat and registered independent because i didn't like either one of them. i think i probably will. the previous caller said he's a lot of abuse and he us.ck up for i just thinks what we -- i what away need right now. i know he can talk too much and thinks he says it and that is probably why he is good. probably vote for him. host: thanks, jim. d.c., john in washington,
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another independent caller. caller: how are you. say i think we need to put someone like joe biden in because we need someone it clean up this mess and who running and ground is familiar with the office and knows what he can and can't do. and maybe have a strong vice could nt with him that assist him in some of the nub -- of the new policies. because you put new folks in a learningwould have k and two years before they can decide what they can do and can't do. so, we would be right back where we are. but we need somebody with experience with the congress and senate and also with the presidency. joe biden is the one that can do it. host: thanks for calling, john. towill get more before we go iowa. we are looking to be there at
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for castro n time and andrew yang. john delaney the first three we will hear from. 15 to e making speeches 20 minutes from what they call typically then they meet with the media a couple of greet and then meet and with the crowd. they are the first three candidates that we will hear a head line in adds. they are talking about the new from ut of iowa voters monmouth university and saying biden is on top but the man part story is elizabeth warren the democratic senator from massachusetts is rising in iowa numbers look like this. joe biden 28% according to this poll. warren 19%. harris 11%. 9% and the mayor of south bend at 8%.
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host: we have a democrat from montana who was there yesterday well. >> this is the most important election in my lifetime certainly. it is about beating donald trump. this also about preserving 243-year experiment called democracy. it is about not accepting what is normalized. who is growing up right now that says i can do onlyr than my parents when about half of americans are doing been their parents were at their age. is recognizing 60% of americans haven't will a pay -- haven't had a pay ncrease in 40 years and they deserve every opportunity that a koch board of director or millionaire has. we s winning back places lost and giving people a reason o know we will fight for their ever day lives because they have
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healthcare and they would be voting for democrats. a call from georgia democratic line campaign 2020. what are your thoughts about on? is going caller: good morning, how are you? host: good morning. i'm going to vote for biden. he cares more of the person in white house. we are trying to get it out of help usd maybe he would goodness of god because we take that book and do anything on't but a whole lot of drama. like he don't like that drama. for him and the sorry aying she feeling for trump, trump ain't nothing but a lot of drama.
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praise god. and marcos, ffrey from san california. go ahead. caller: i want to give a shout jennifer briney and "congressional dish." she is doing an awesome job reveal truths that are ot being exposed by media typically. he man point is that i would love it if people with focus on the prescription drugs that are prescribed and the correlation to the upparticular tick in violence. i don't think it is video games things people are focusing on. billion hat it is a dollar industry that isn't being given the appropriate credit for the amount of violence that is happening on the streets today and i want that to end.
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be able to be o safe in america. host: which candidate or decades jeffrey, this tame? gabbert. really like has the policys that will keep us out of the war and of truth that she says. engage with g to people who are in my opinion war feeding the military omplex and i think that her voice might be a bit of a reason in this crazy landscape of politics. host: thank you for calling. we will look from des moines, iowa at the state fair. the podium there where candidates will be talking. expect to here from castro delaney and mary yan

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