tv AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka Discusses Labor Movement CSPAN August 29, 2019 12:54pm-2:00pm EDT
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if you're on the go, listen to live coverage using the free c-span radio app. presidentfl-cio discusses the labor movement, the 2020 elections, local trade and tariffs and the trump administration. this event hosted by the christian science monitor. >> i am the washington bureau chief of the christian science monitor. our guest today is richard trumka president of the afl-cio the nation's largest federation of labor unions. ats is his 11th appearance the breakfast so you have become a liberty tradition for us. welcome. first a bit of background, president trump got was born in
pennsylvania where he followed his father and grandfather into the coal mines and worked his way through college and law school. he graduated from penn state then received his jd from villanova. then he joined the legal staff of the united mine workers of america and eventually became president at the age of 33. since 1989, he has been working on the afl-cio executive council and was elected president of the federation and 2009. now for the ground rules. we are on the record here. please, no live blogging or tweeting. kind while they breakfast is underway. once the session ends, the embargo is lifted and you can file away. we will end at 10:00. we will email pictures of the breakfast to all of the reporters here as soon as the breakfast ends. as you know, if you like to ask a question, please send me a
signal and i will call you as time permits. if you like to make a brief opening remarks, the floor is yours. >> i can't believe it has been 11 years. and happy early labor day to everyone who is here. as always, i want to thank you and christian science monitor for hosting us. i want to thank each one of you for being here today. i have been in the labor movement for more than 50 years. actually, 52 years. i have never in my lifetime witnessed a moment like this and i have never felt this much energy and determination from working people. i have never seen this movement so driven to take our own future in our own hands. working people are rising to becauseoment in history
we know something is deeply wrong. poisoned bys being hateful rhetoric and divisive tactics at the highest levels of government. are beingcolor scapegoated, minimize, dehumanize, and told to go back where they came from. beent dog whistles have replaced with megaphones. women are openly degraded and discriminated against. america's welcome mat along the beacon of hope for immigrants, refugees, and asylum-seekers including my own parents is being bulldozed and paid over replaced with the clear message that you are not welcome here. meanwhile, the rich continue to court unprecedented money and power. while people who build the wealth are working harder and
longer for less with less dignity in harsher and more dangerous workplaces. top 1%last 30 years, the has increased in wealth by $21 trillion. in that same time, the wealth of -- bottom 50% the labor movement, our labor movement is offering a path forward that is lit by solidarity. than a quarter of a million people joined unions. three quarters of those were below the age of 35. in 2018,
have freely supported and have a history of supporting unions over the years, and we will see what case they make on how they intend to change the rules of the economy so they make america work for workers. is the besthink person to be president trump or is that the labor message. it is a workers message and it is a combination of those. if they make the case for changing the rules, they will be able to have success in an election. it is not either/or. it is a combination of both, and the more they talk about changing the rules, and it is lawjust change -- it is tax , health and safety, health
care, pension, bankruptcy law that have stripped workers of their pensions over the years. what case they make on all of that, and then our members will say that is the one we want and that is where we will go. >> newsmax, right to your right. the afl cio was formed and a republican secretary of labor, there has always been tension between the andident of the afl-cio republican secretaries of labor. trumpghts ago, president nominated eugene scalia to be secretary of labor. oppose thel-cio nomination actively and if so, why? glia wasugene's
laborted for solicitor of , -- eugene scully i was nominated for solicitor of labor, we opposed him. since 2002, his record has only gotten worse. he called repetitive injury one time junk science. he made a career of trying to bust unions and do things like that, and as a result, i would ,ay that it is most likely though not that it is most likely we will continue to back --im, and his record has only gotten worse. his views are dangerously outside the mainstream and leave us no choice but to oppose him.
>> the buffalo news to your left. about -- what i would call the starbucks of buffalo, workers voted to unionize. this is somewhat unusual for a small coffee shop, for people to unionize. are awareering if you of this situation and see it as oppressive for workers to organize even in the smallest of companies? at alloesn't surprise me because it is happening everywhere. medium-sized,l, and large unions need the voice of a union. we are seeing for instance in the airline industry, jetblue organize, spirit airline,
customer service agent, united catering, fragile it workers at brown, at columbia, at georgetown, at harvard. journalists at the l.a. times, onion, andb, the boss media, they all voted to organize. people all over the country are organizing and here's why. workers do not believe that either the political system for the economic system is working for them, so they have turned to each other and understand the only way they are going to get anything is by joining together and using their collective power. whether you are in a coffee store, equal mine, a classroom at college or kindergarten, the only way to come together -- get something is to come together and bargain collectively.
it surprises me not the least. we have starbucks and other places that are organized. we have different types of things, doctors that are organized, nurses are organized. they organize for multiple different reasons. nurses organize in a number of places to protect patients. staffing was getting so thin they could not do their job. no one would listen to them, so they organized unions to bargain for fair staffing and fair training. that is sort of why i am so excited about this labor day and where we are, because that type of momentum and that type of belief in workers believing in each other is really catching fire all over the country. ,> this particular situation the three employees trying to organize the union were fired. i think that kind of got the
other employees joining. i was wondering, is it more difficult in a smaller environment for workers to come together? >> unfortunately what you just said, is not atypical. it is typical in smaller environments. let me tell you about our antiquated labor laws that were done in 1947. 1935 and thenwas 1947, and an amendment in 1959. a group of workers want to organize because they want to bargain collectively with their employer. the employer immediately calls what are called union buster firms who specialize in doing nothing but preventing workers from getting a union. they do these captive audience meetings where they will bring you together.
you must come, it is mandatory, and they spend two to three hours talking about how bad unions are. many of them, you are not allowed to speak. one case someone tried to speak, uped to leave, and ended firing them and the board withheld the fire -- firing. they take away your job. guess what happens? when you get fired under today's laws, and it may take you three or four years to get your job back. that means you will have to work somewhere. all of the money that you make gets deducted from what the employer who legally five -- illegally fired you has to make . if you dare try to exercise your right, your statutory right and have a union, i will fire you.
after you get through all that ,ou still vote for union sometimes they won't recognize the union. they appeal it for four or five years so you fight in the courts. then when you get recognized, used down and they say, we will negotiate with you. we call it surface bargaining. they mouth empty words with no attempt to reach an agreement. in 50% of the cases, after going through all of that, you end up not being able to get an agreement. typical thatal, workers want a voice on the job and typical that the response of an employer is to fire, threaten, and violate the law because there is no effect, no cost for them violating the law. it costs them virtually nothing. they get to deduct penalties they have to pay.
we are trying to get the pro act passed. that would be a rewrite of the law that would put real teeth employer whoake an fires someone illegally pay triple damages, three times what they do, just like you do in antitrust. it would do a number of other things as well. it would make it so in first contracts if you come to an impasse, it arbitrates that contract so you get an agreement and you can get going again. that is why the pro action department has support in the house, 41 sponsors in the senate, and we will keep pushing for it. hopefully we will get it done and when we do, the president will get a chance to sign it and demonstrate his real love for workers. >> ap to your right. >> i am wondering if you think
strength inump's 2016 in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin has had an impact in the way that democratic candidates are talking about trade, unions, and workers in this election? backuld you mind if i went and sort of answered that with a little bit more of an expansive answer to give you the framework? i can give you a three word answer but would not really answered the way it is. look, there is just -- harvard did a study on millennials and asked them how important it is to live in a democracy. said it isennials important to live in a democracy. an of those,s not 24% said it is bad to live in a democracy.
that is the first generation in this country that has lived their entire lives under the rules of globalization. all they have ever seen our wages going down, their parent'' health care taken away, pensions taken away. they probably see their parents or someone they know lose a home or a household, but then they are told, don't worry, go to school and everything will be hunky-dory. they go to school, come out with a mountain of debt and cannot find a job. they are starting to believe is -- equals low wages, insecurity, and poverty. those same workers over three decades have seen stagnant wages and have been attacked in pennsylvania and michigan and
wisconsin and west virginia and a number of state. they don't believe the political system works for them and they don't believe the economic system works for them. along comes donald trump the last time and says, i'm going to change your rules. change the rules so they work for you. people said, i want somebody to change the rules. i am going to give him a chance, so they voted for him. i think the lesson -- getting to your question -- the lesson the democrats, and these candidates have come to understand is unless you talk about the economic issues that affect working people, you are not going to get elected. they have begun talking about the kitchen table economics that affect workers. the more they do that, the more workers will connect with them and the more support they will
get. -- will argue she talks about kitchen table issues and working people. is there something different desh in the way democrats are talking about it now? >> it is the centerpiece of their campaign. they are trying to change the country to make it better for workers. the economic talks were secondary. now, kitchen table economics are first and foremost and workers are starting to listen. they are having those conversations on the ground in iowa, philadelphia suburbs, pittsburgh, columbus, ohio, all over the country they are having those conversations with workers and workers are listening because they want somebody who is going to change the rules of the economy and make some --
make the country work for workers. we will start to reverse the trend and see more kids say, living in a democracy is important. the fact that there is a potential implosion was just reflected a few days ago by the ceos of the business roundtable. 181 came together and signed a new agenda about what is the purpose of a corporation? purpose of a corporation was to maximize shareholder value, and that helped create the inequality that we see, growing inequality. now they are saying rightfully so, that corporation has an obligation toward workers, the wete where they live in and will see if they translate that into real action. pitch because of
the amount of respect and i guess credibility that the corporate ceos have in this country has diminished dramatically. this could be an election where both candidates are not beholden to them, and who have talked partially to them. we will see. >> amanda becker from reuters. >> on the 2020 race, as you said, you have a field of candidates talking about issues that are important to the labor movement more than we have in years. do you see any early differentiators between the candidates, what those issues might be? is one of them medicare for all? that is one thing that has emerged dividing the field and some of the candidates not supporting at say the reason is labor. i was wondering your thoughts on
that issue and how important that will be, and if there are any other issues emerging at this point. >> first of all, those issues are going to continue to evolve. we still have, i think a year and some time for that to happen. on the issue of medicare for role, there is no question that ultimately we need to establish a single-payer system, but there or hard-foughte for the high quality programs we negotiated. you cannot mask -- ask an american worker who sacrificed wages and everything to simply say, i will accept this plan here whenever i currently have this plan here. if in fact there is not a way
for us to get from this plan to this plan. when we do go to a plan like that, or medicare for all, it will generate huge savings for employers, tremendous amounts of savings. the question will be, what happens to the savings? do they all go to the corporation? do we get to share them or split them? have negotiated hard and given up wages to get there, there has to be a way for workers to recoup some of that, that their employer will get when the system becomes affordable. our plan should have some role in it, and we ought to be able to go -- go she ate a higher level of benefits and in fact -- negotiate a higher level of benefits and in fact, we are. >> sanders tried to put out something just last week to do
what you are talking about. are they getting into the nitty-gritty yet, and what would you say to the candidates on the left who say now you can negotiate for other things and focus on wages? this is going to continue to evolve, and guess what? i didn't have to talk to any of them. they heard that from the members on the ground. me going and talking to any of those candidates probably would not have much effect, but when they hear it in south carolina and they hear it in iowa and they hear it in pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin and nevada and arizona on the ground , they start to take heed, if they are smart. unless you are a tone deaf candidate, you have to understand what people want and try to figure out a way to meet that need.
that is what they have not done in the past, and this is a good sign that candidates are actually listening to what workers really want and what they really need. i think it is a positive sign. >> is about hoagland from inside u.s. trade. discussionshe between ustr stakeholders and democrats going? to ustr pitched a solution the panel blocking issue? solution toched a blocking issue, and what specific evidence are you looking for next week in mexico city for that guarantee? >> there are actually three levels of enforcement that we have a problem with right now with the trade agreement. the first level is, mexico has for years kept their wages artificially low.
that has been their model, to keep them low, and to do that they have used a protectionist contract where they had government dominated unions that were not unions at all, that would negotiate with an employer for low wages. let me give you an example of just one of those so you know what i mean low wages. last year, the biscoe monda nabisco no biscoe mondelez closed down plants and created the most modern bakery in the world. it is massive, the most modern plant on the face of the earth. they have three wage levels. level one is $.97 an hour. $1.28 and top dog is $1.78 an hour. that was negotiated with nabisco
mondelez last year using a protectionist contract. there are in minimum of 700,000 protectionist contracts in mexico, and unless those are gone, unless they are gone, we won't be able to see wages rise to where they should. here is what mexico's promise in the agreement is. they promised first to change their labor laws. they had done so. however, they were almost 1000 thosenges launched by protectionist unions against those, and in one case they got an injunction against the enforcement of the new law. that,y promised to do they promised to create a new court system. they promised to create a new
department of labor, to train people, to do away with all 700 of those protectionist contacts -- contracts and have an election each year. each year, they have to do away with 175,000 contracts and hold 175,000 new elections. the department of labor is incapable of doing that, and they are going to create one, and they promised to do that. if they can't enforce their , no matter what this agreement says, it won't work because they will continue to artificially and unfairly suck jobs out of the united states and suck capital out of the united states. the first thing i want to know is, what is the plan? how are you going to do it? how much resources do you
prepare to devote to it? convince me that you have not only the will, i think he is acting in good faith, but you have the wherewithal and infrastructure to get itthat i't with him. second level of enforcement is, you mentioned it, that is the panel block. for those of you that perhaps are not as familiar, when you file a complaint under these agreements, the first thing you .o is have conciliation then you have mediation. we chitchat. somebody asks us to chitchat. when you don't get an agreement there, i appoint a mediator, you on a mediator, a neutral appoint a third one, and you have three people making a decision. they decide. it takes eight or nine years without to happen under the old agreement. this agreement allows either party to say, you cannot form
the arbitrator. it is essentially any party can stop. the only mechanism you have that forces an agreement when the two parties can't agree. so it becomes useless. two.is level we have talked about that, talk about changing that. i think there is probably a likelihood that that can be done . i don't know for sure but i am hopeful. we are pushing that. we will see. the third level of enforcement is, as it stands right now, i violate the agreement and my products continue to flow like nothing happened, so i continue to buy. as i said, it takes 8, 9 years to get a decision. in those eight or nine years, i continued to violate the agreement and push my product
unfairly into your country. we believe you ought to be able to stop the product at the border. if there is a likelihood or good faith that you have violated the act, the product stops at the border before it comes in. and there is precedent for that. the agreement allows that to od products that are illegally taken, and animal products. our point of view is if it is good enough for trees and animals, it ought to be good enough for people. we want that to stop, so we are working on that as well. there are a couple of other instances -- issues that are important in the agreement as well. medicine, patent rights,
creating a north american monopoly for 10 years on drugs so that you cannot even do research on a generic for 10 years in any one of the three .ountries, is ridiculous we think that needs to be changed as well. do you have at this point any kind of working relationship with his white house on trade? richard: i have a good working relationship with bob lighthizer. known bob lighthizer for 30 some years. thatld state unequivocally he is an honorable man, that we are working to try to get to yes. if we can, we will. if we don't, we will fight. i think that he will try. i'm going to mexico to see if i
cannot try as well, because on all three of the issues it would take at least a reopening for some of the issues. a couple of them. i will help there. if the administration insists on an up or down vote right now, we would oppose it. and i think we would be successful in opposing it. worker wouldexican oppose it with us, and i think the canadian worker would oppose it with us. >> mark gruenberg, press associates. >> thank you for talking with us, rich. irrespective of who wins the , has then next year afl-cio, your political committees started letting plans effort is going to be? richard: absolutely, we started a year ago. 2018, we went through the
biggest member to member program we have ever had. i will pull out a few actuals for you so that i don't screw it up. we knocked on 2.3 million doors, we distributed 5 million flyers, we sent out a quarter million mail, 12 million pieces of , we did a digital ad campaign that had 69 million impressions, we launched our largest ever media campaign, engaging peoples in african-american and spanish-speaking stations, in 26 different media markets, and this time will be even more so. we went back last year and started pushing our members to talk to their members on a regular basis about issues that are important to them.
those we have been successful. our affiliates have talked to their members, moving their members, and their members are then confronting -- i should not say confronting. that sounds wrong. they are asking candidates about their position on different issues that are important to them. and forcing the candidates to think about it, and if they have a position, state it. if they don't, think through it and get a position. that is where we have been largely successful. we will focus on states, focus on the house and senate, and we will focus on targeted states. my director of political action is here, julie green. after we are done here, if you want to ask her some additional questions, please feel free to. >> several election cycles ago, i cannot remember how many, the afl-cio asked its member unions
to kick in an extra assessment for politics. are you planning to do that again? richard: i don't know. we will see what the program is. right now, we have been preparing for this. financially, we are stronger than we have ever been. we are preparing for it and we have a plan. a very synchronized, well effective plan. we have been planning in a way we have never had before, and now we are more coordinated with them. how is it that you are stronger financially than ever before given the hits you have taken with so-called right to work laws in some states and also -- richard: we have grown. that was supposed to be a knockout blow. fact, i will give you a couple of the figures. , i think, was one of our
public sectors. grew by 88,500 members. converted 2000 agency payers into full members. we started talking to our members. call. was a wake-up there is a weird part of me that says thank you to those who threw that haymaker at us that we were able to deflect. we have started effectively talking to our members and we are growing. million inuarter 2017. 18 about the same. 19 we will see. we started out, we got some legislative victories that are great. we have the ability to negotiate for 20,000 workers in nevada. the ability to negotiate for 100,000 agricultural workers in new york. organize another 3000 people, loggers.
we have been successful with changing those laws to be able to run. the other thing i mentioned in my opening was, we have also, since 2018, focused on running union members, having our own members run. in the last election, we elected almost 1000 union members in 2018. two ofthem governors, them senators, 18 to the house of representatives and 900 and 60 some -- whatever it comes out to -- in state senates, house races. that will be beefed up this year . we have elected 63 more. we have done an inventory of the people we have elected to public office in pennsylvania. we are about 3500 people and counting. we are starting to actually coordinate those people, talk to those people. get them back leg union people. >> tanya snyder, politico.
>> thank you. you and your good friends at the u.s. chamber of commerce have been pushing for a long time for increased infrastructure investment. whether we get to a stand-alone bill of any kind, the congress is going to have to put more money into the surface transportation program before the next presidential election. how are you going to change the conversation around increasing the gas tax or some kind of ?nfrastructure investment when you been doing the last several years has not borne fruit. how will you get there? richard: we are going to help change the people who have been stopping this. this has been stopped continuously by mitch mcconnell in the senate. everybody agrees with us that you need infrastructure.
engineersy of civil gives us a d in infrastructure, and we are falling. we need about $2 trillion in infrastructure, for the old stuff to get it up to par, and the new stuff that we need to move ahead. everybody knows that. everybody agrees we need to do it, but it doesn't get done. it doesn't get done because they don't have the will to raise the tax. so we will continue to talk about it publicly, expose what's happening. people are tired of spending hours and hours and hours sitting still because the infrastructure in this country is bad. and they will start to do something about it. we collectively said you need to increase the tax. everybody says that. but they won't do it. so we will see. we will continue to push. eating mitch mcconnell is the plan? if you wrote that, that
would be a totally myopic, colossal misrepresentation of what i was saying. that is part of the problem. the problem is they lack the collective will to do what they have to do to do infrastructure. done,now what needs to be but they won't do it. problems.of the major if he were replaced, yes, it would be a step forward, unless somebody equally bad replaced him. if we replaced him with somebody who said, we need to do this, let's do it in a bipartisan way, then they cannot shoot us for raising taxes. that is what needs to be done for the betterment of the country. our infrastructure is falling apart. we are getting further and further behind. i don't know if any of you have been to china. going one of their trains 300 miles per hour.
it is like you are sitting in a and, and then get on acela go to philadelphia or new york, where you hold a glass of milk and it ends up being a milkshake. [laughter] change for the good of the country. it really does. >> to your right, alex from the spanish news agency fa. >> thank you for organizing this. under the trump administration, the unemployment rate has been pretty low so far, but the weight growth has not met the economic expectations. what is your take on that? our u.s. workers suffering from this situation? from the situation of the wage is not growing as expected, even though there is a very low unemployment rate? secondly, where are you going to mexico with the delegation?
who is going with you? richard: who is going with me? i am not sure everybody going with me yet, but it would be members of the executive council, vice president. probably one from the construction trade, one from the public sector trade, one from , orindustrial sector transportation sector, so that we have a broad smattering. we will meet with the president and secretary of labor, secretary of finance, meet with workers down there as well. one of the senators, napoleon gomez, is a personal friend of mine. we will meet with him as well and with members of the parliament. quarter, real wages actually fell. overall,, wages fell
driven by increases in prices of housing and health care. we keep falling further and further behind. that is what you are seeing, the anxiety. that is why you are seeing the collective action where people are trying to change. that is why you are seeing teachers willing to go out on strike, not just for wages, but for things that they need in the classroom for their children. workers,eeing other graduate workers who have been taken advantage of for years and years. the unemployment rate, we will see what happens with it. but it does not erase the things that our members and workers across the country believe, that neither the political system or the economic system is working for them. and the proof is they have been stagnated for years. education is getting further out
of reach. they cannot get it anymore because of the cost. so they continue to feel more and more left behind by an been, i wouldas have to say, a wall street dominated economy, and a government that listens first to wall street. i believe that is starting to change, i think that's good. i think when they start listening to main street more than wall street, i think we will start to make the changes on infrastructure and the other thing that the country needs. >> just a few minutes left, so maybe we can have a lightning round. two from the washington examiner, sean higgins, paul. quickly? cycle, we haven an unusual and largely unprecedented phenomenon of presidential campaigns themselves getting organized.
is this a practical thing given the inherently temporary nature of presidential campaigns? would you support a campaign in the middle of a general election if workers decided to go on strike? richard: i believe every worker should have a voice on the job regardless of where they were. temporary workers are usually the ones abused the most. i think probably what could happen is we could start to negotiate a fair standard for those workers, and then have everyone buy onto it. that could be one additional solution we could have. i have one fidelity. that fidelity is workers. i have that fidelity in the morning, in the afternoon, at night. in 1965, anddelity i have it today. [indiscernible] richard: could be worse. >> you have not really talked
about trump. do you have faith in trump? bouncing off of julie's question, from his side, why can't you go into these states and say on a plumbing is down, the economy is pretty good, i'm trying to do something on nafta. it is a message that i would think would have some residents. richard: that is what he's doing. i think it will not have the effect. i sort of anticipated you might ask me about this, particularly you. see this right here? see this right here? these are all the things that his administration has done to hurt workers. so when you go into a state and say i am great and you have a
minimum-wage worker and he is opposed to every increase to the minimum-wage, you have to say, did he really care about that worker? when his department of labor changed the overtime rules and 2 million people lost overtime -- if you are one of those 2 million people, you have to ask yourself, did he do something to help me? and he took away the fiduciary role, and it cost working people more than a quarter of their retirement savings, by slashing that rule. ask your self, i lost a quarter of my savings. does he really care about me? when he says he is going to take a couple trillion dollars out of social security and other care -- medicare, when he changes the rules and defends right to work court, all supreme
of those things -- i have six pages. that.ngs just like while he says i like workers, maybe he doesn't know what his administration, what they are doing in those various departments. maybe he doesn't know what they are doing to hurt workers. but i have to believe that he was not ae scalia friend of working people when he named him to the only department that is designed to protect workers and workers rights. right now, there are fewer inspectors in osha than ever in its history. we have never had fewer inspectors. more accidents, more injuries, health care, people dying from those things. -- he has a case
to be made. believe me, i am still doing this. all i'm doing is calling balls and strikes. something good for workers, i say he did something good for workers. when he does something bad for workers, i say he did something bad for workers. unfortunately for workers, there has been more of the latter than the former. i wish that were not true because workers in this country would be much better off if it were not true. >> [no audio] [inaudible] richard: at least he had the willingness to take on and change nafta. that was the worst agreement that ever happened, and it needed to be changed. will he get it right? we will see.
we are trying to get it right because it is good for workers. >> dimitri from the financial times. >> over the summer you told your members that nancy pelosi was lockstep with you but still urge them to contact with people to measure it stayed that way. have you seen any tangible results? she is coming from some democrats who are in traditionally conservative districts who won in the last cycle to hold a vote this year on usmca the way it is now. are you convinced the democrats will stay together on this, or are you worried there will be a fracture as "into the primaries? has done athink she remarkable job of keeping together a very diverse caucus. i think the democrats will stay in lockstep on trade because it is such an important issue for working people, and they represent working people.
side and thevative liberal side, they come together on that issue. 70% of the american public believes those trade agreements, particularly nafta, have been bad for this country. so it is easy to stay together on that. job,as done a remarkable she has appointed a group of eight people to work with them. the house will do nothing without those eight. they are working hard to get an agreement that is exceptional to working people. them, but ie with think they are doing an incredible job. those eight people have spent significant amounts of time understanding, talking, and trying to work through issues. >> one more question, mark trumbull, christian science monitor. >> you have outlined how the labor movement has new energy, greater public opinion of
unions. what is the path forward if you want to get america more toward a europe style amount of respect for unions and labor relations? is it mainly through legislation as you have outlined? are there other paths that also need to be taken? richard: there are multiple. i don't remember if i said this or not. came out and put us at 64%, roughly the highest we have been with a year or two exception in 50 years. >> is that approval rating? richard: yes, 64%. yesterday or the day before it came out. we are also working in the communities to do more. first of all, i will talk the building trade. the building trades are reaching out into our communities, bringing people out, women and people of color, to get into our traits program.
giving them a remedial courses were necessary so they can pass the entrance exam, getting them in. we are doing community projects where we are doing housing projects. we are doing different things from our housing investment trust, building investment trust. so it's working with the communities to demonstrate we are them. you probably don't know it but union members are probably coaching your kids, probably on the hierarchy of your school system somewhere. they touch your lives in numerous ways, and so we are trying to figure out, and the do, point out how we do that. we're also doing things in conservation. we have a group called the union sportsmen alliance that does on the ground projects, rehabilitating state parks, federal parks. .e did 100 projects it took us five years into the first 100, and then 12 months to do the second 100 projects.
now we're up and running doing those projects, helping the community, from texas to maine to oregon. we did a project in wyoming. we did a project at yellowstone. it is showing people what we are, our work. systems,panding our our apprenticeship systems into other industries beyond the construction industry. employers,ing with small employers, midsize employers, to be able to develop apprenticeship programs that will spin out. if they need 10 or 12 people, they cannot do an apprenticeship program, but we can work with local community colleges to develop that project and a curriculum for them and train workers that they need. so we are reaching out and doing all of that. the labor laws are a big thing, they really are.
they really stop people from being able to organize. i told you what happens. believe me when i tell you this. that is not typical in any way. it is exactly what happens everywhere, from the side of the country to the other. let me just say, have a happy labor day. >> thank you so much. see you next year. richard: you bet. >> thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> you can watch this event with afl-cio resident richard trumka tonight again at 8:00 eastern on c-span. it is also online at c-span.org and you can listen with the free c-span radio app.
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