tv Viewpoint With Eliot Spitzer Current April 10, 2012 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT
>> outspoken manager ojzie ojzie guillen was making a comment. should he be suspended for it? an interview with time magazine he was quoted as saying "i love fidel castro. you know why? a lot of people have wad to kill fidel castro for the last sixty years but that mother is still there. when your team builds a $600 million stadium largely funded by tax dollars, any comment about castro gets magnified. the marlins suspended him for five games. he unequivocally apologized. >> i apologize to the people here, outside who was looking at
me and i am very very very sorry about the problem about whatting. what happening. i will do everything to make it better. >> to discuss what it means for sports figures who take potentially controversial situations the sports editor dave zyron. thank you for joining us. >> great to be here. >> let me cut to the chase. in your view should he have been suspended for articulating a political perspective that offended a lot of people in his hometown but may have reflected what he really believes? >> no. he shouldn't have been suspended. guillen said similar things in 2008 and nobody blinked because he said it in chicago and not miami. >> that's what this story is really about. you hit on itting elliott pimply. it's about two things. one is the incredibly politically well connected ex tile community in miami and the other is a publically funded
stadium in little havana. it will cost the city $2 billion. it happened with no shortage of con controversy. the owner of the team has taken more public money than any other owner in professional sports. it breadd a lot of ill feeling. this is about the team doing pr damage and about the cuban community flexing their muscle and ozzie guillen gets to be the victim. >> let me play devil's advocate. this has nothing to do with the first amendment? it's not as though, yes, he has a first amendment right to the say what he wants but it's not the government telling him he has to apologize, they are suspend suspending. it's baseball. first amendment doesn't control what they do. your legal lesson for the night. why is it wrong for his employer, you know the marlins for him to say you are the manager of our team in a community that feels deeply about this. be smart. don't offend our fan base. why can't they impose those
limitations on him? >> first of all, you are right legally but i am not sure it's correct ethically because of the amount of public money that's gone into this process. ozzie guillen $10 million salary is effectively tax dollars. it's our money being represented by jeffrey lauri em a and the marlin's decision to say you are the manager of this term. you are not allowed to have political views. that press conference which thatall that was missing was a stockade next to ozzie and he said i apologize on my knees and my heart is in my hands. he said the lesson i have learned is that i am not going to talk about politics any more. i mean that to me ifthat's the definition of a chilling effect on the first amendment, which i think is something on general principle we should avoid especially when it comes to fem in public life. >> there was a chilling effect. the question again, i don't want to be lawyery. it wasn't the government tarrant county nickcally.
i hear it's public money. let me changes the facts a little bit, marge shott, the owner of the cincinnati reds made deeply offensive comments saying hitler was okay at the beginning. he just went too far. the heavens desended on her. baseball kicked her out as best it could. was it appropriate for baseball to do that when she made those comments? >> well, here is where we get to the question of did major league baseball and the miami marlins kill an ant with a rocket launcher because if you look at the continue tent of what he said, it doesn't compare to marge schott she would call her african players the n word and. and ozzie said something and we know it was outlandish for miami but not that crazy of view when it comes to people from latin america, people i have spoken with. they don't like castro. they don't approve of castro but there is something about the fact that he has lasted for 60
years without being killed and that's what guillen was doing, cheeky, trying to be funny. it was stupid. i am the first person to say like miami, ozzie and cuba it does not go well together. at the same time to me it doesn't compare to marge schott. when we make the comparisons, it's trying to justify that he got suspended for five games for making a dumb joke to time magazine. >> these two aren't comp ramble. let me make it more complicated: do you think that because of what happened to guillen, athletes and those in sports are generally having the opportunity to talk about politics young out of them so --wrung out of them so -- -- wrung out of them and at the masters, not a player uttered a peep that augusta wouldn't permit women. is that where we have gotten?
>> absolutely. there is this word in sports howard cosell called it rule number 1 of the jockocracy, that softwares and politics are never allowed to mix. but the more you look at sports it's not sports and politics. it'spots and a certain kind of politics. so if you are tim tebow, you can do a commercial for focus on the family and be called a role model and receive all kinds of hosannas. yet, if you are ozzie guillen or craig hodges run out of the nba because he opposed the first gulf war, muck mam because he wouldn't could you tell on the for the national anthem. we may agree or disagree but the fact is that the consequences are very different whether or not you take stands that are against the mainstream unpopular and most particular against the interests and beliefs of management. >> excellent point. i wonder whether mohammed ali
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investments that yield the term huge short-term profits at the cost of crashing the entire financial system. then requiring a multi-billiondar taxpayer bail-out. ceo in 2006, he took home a $40 million bonus. in a new article from new york magazine jessica press say some saved morgan stanley from collapse and others points out had it not been from mack it might not have needed saving. the arsonist fireman. jessica pressel, author of ""along who is back, profiling john mack. thank you for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> when i read the article, it was actually surprisingly positive. he is charasmatic, charging. but didn't create the pitfalls and the trap doors that destroyed morgan stanley? >> yeah. like you said, he is a super charasmatic individual.
he has cultivated this heroic image based upon things that happened during the crisis. if you look back there is a reason that morgan stanley was, if not the weakest, among the weakest of the wall street banks that, you know, had to take tarp money and bail-out money. so, yeah when he we want back to morgan stanley in 2005, he got the firm heavily invested in sub-prime, increased their leverage made a few very disastrous acquisitions. >> when he came back in '05, i affirm actively pulled out bill pursell, who had been his co-ceo but mack came back, pushed out pursell and had a 2-point game plan as you pointed out in the article. leveraged 32 to 1 which is crazy by any business perspective and invested in the derivatives that caused the cataclysm so why is he not in that litny of dick fold jimmy caine who led to their companies over the
precipes. >> i think part of is during the financial crisis there was such a lack of heroic narrative when john mack got an investment from a japanese firm, a kind of really at the 11th hour when the treasury was pressuring them to merge with j.p. morgan like bear stearns had. it became this exciting moment. it was covered very heavily in the press and mack is a very press-friendly figure. >> look i know jock mack. i have met him negotiated with him, against him i suppose. i would say you are right. he is a powerful presence. he has a careharisma about it. but the record is not different than that of dick fold or jimmy caine so i am curious about why the media continues to like him. >> yeah. it's kind of amazing. it's just become engrained. we know the story. in his bio, he goes on college tours and tells the story like it's a
swashbuckling story. it's become a fact. >> there is no question he took a harder line. he negotiated better than geithner who i don't think could neg negotiate negotiate his wait out of a paperback band john mack won the bluff. he gets credit for that. the thing in your article that troubled me about him. he is a pleasant guy. i don't want to speak i will of him as a person but in the end, he we want we want after greg smith. tell who greg smith is. >> the goldman sachs vice president who resigned in an op-ed in "the new york times." i asked him what he thought of that. you know, just like any chief executive of a company, i think, was feeling like, you should not have one employee speak for the entire company. so he reacted in that way. said, i can't believe the "times" printed that. >> what greg smith printed, sort of a mid-level individual at goldman sachs was the
environment on wall street whether it's goldman is a toxic brew of conflicts of interest, the sorts of things that got us into trouble in the first place. it hasn't changed. so mack when he pushed back at that perception or that reality seemed to me has he learned anything? has john mack learned the let'son that where he took morgan stanley did contribute to the cataclysm? >> i am not sure he has. he got away with kind of an amazing feat, a triumph and he has become this heroic figure like a brand of his own. he is kind of like, you know a figurehead in business now. and it really, i wouldn't think that. >> he pushes back against the notion and says the regulatods different have the power to do what they needed to do. two responses to that from my perspective perspective. one, they did. and if they didn't, in some limited cases, it's because morgan stanley affirmatively took it away from them. morgan stanley drafted the anti-spitzer amendment to divest me of jurisdiction to do things. if anybody lacked jurisdiction,
they are at fault. does he acknowledge that? >> i don't know. he is very open about the mistakes that he has made, very contrite. but you will notice that when he does apologize, it's always we as an industry, we messed up. >> yeah. >> it's not me. it's not my firm. >> i can forgive him the use of the pronounce because mea culpa. >> that's not the thing. has he learninged the larger structural issue that what they did was fundamentally risky and wrong from a banking perspective if they did it again, shame on all of us for letting it happen. >> i suspect he has because he seems to be moving into bank alternatives one is peer to peer lending group and a pre-paid debit card. it's for people who don't trust banks. >> jessica pressler, thank you for your time. >> thanks. >> forget a pop-up blocker. how about a population blocker? i think it's brilliant.
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down? ask your doctor if spiriva can help. >> christensenie believes you want to sit on your couch and collect a government check. i don't. my favorite part of the day we visit with jennifer granholm in the war room. what do you have tonight. >> we will talk about santorum's departure too but with j.d. hey hayworth a conservative talk show host who challenge theion mccain from the right. he is a tremendous guest. then we will be joined by former san francisco mayor willie brown about the push for the buffett rule and the fairness doctorine. we are going to continue this coverage of alec. another shoe dropped today which was mcdonald's. >> excellent. >> getting hammered and losing
corporate supporters by the bus load. >> very few people talk as fast or as smooth as willie brown. >> he is like silk. like silk. >> absolutely. >> all of that and more at the top of the hour. thanks, eliot. >> i will definitelyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy the newest voice in cable news is on the new news network. >>jennifer granholm joins current tv. this former two term governor is politically direct. i know this stuff and i love it and i try to bring that to the show. >> still to come a new report that iran plans to shut down
access to the internet. is it possible? but first here is my view. governor christie auditioned for a place on the national ticket with mitt romney. he summed up his views of what people in this country are all about. take a license. it will shock you. >> we are turning into a pattern allistic entitlement society. that will not just bankrupt us financially. it will bankrupt us morally. we will have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting for their next government check. >> waiting for the next government check? really, is that what you think about us governor christie? who are you talking about? the 15% who are unemployed who are desperately looking for a job job? they want to work. they are not waiting for a check. they are looking for jobs. are you talking about seniors who have paid into medicare their entire careers and now all they want is the health care they have paid for? you know what governor
christie? i want an opportunity society just like you do. but you talk as though people are sitting around just dependent on the government. they don't want to work. they don't want to put out the way you think you have. i got news for you. you are looking in the wrong place. you know where there is dependency? you know where there has been corruption? not at the bottom. you always look down. there has been corruption at the top. you know where? take a look at goldman sachs, $129,000,000,000 one check to goldman sachs to bail them out for their bad bet on aig. trill ions of dollars to your buddies in the corporate suite on wall street. that's where there is dependency, not down at the bottom. you show a capricious disregard for the interests and needs of those who struggle and show enormous beennevsinceense beneficinec to those at the to the. we want an opportunity society where there is fairness the same rules for everybody. we don't want handouts for
anybody. those at the bottom or those at the top. you know governor christie? i know you are a fan of bruce springsteen. a friend saw you at the vip concert last night at his concert he played an amazing song jack of all trades. i want you to read the lyrics of that song. i know you trust bruce. here is what the lyrics say, the banker man grows fatter. the working man grows thing. it's all happened before and it will happen again. governor christie pay attention to those words. those words are what you should think
prevent citizens from surfing the web. the latest proposal shutting down the internet and replacing it with an intranet. the iranian government says this is baseless are blaming the quote propaganda wing of the west which can only mean one thing. it's probably true. the question remains: is it even possible any in this day and age to build what is essentially a firewall? joining me ceo of quantum networks ari zolleden and emily parker. ari, let me start with you. to those of us who are too old or technologicallydeficient, how do you shut down the intent and is it possible? >> it is 100% technically possible. there is probably one data center or several data centers around the country, and given that it is a state-owned internet and phone company, the president or the prime minister can easily walk in there and
with a couple of turns of a nobody can shut off the internet. >> i think back to those days when i had my aol dial-up and it used to take half an hour to get on, be busy and all of this. can't somebody with a cell phone in iran call internationally with some sort of satellite phone serveice and get through. >> but what happens when they turn off mobile and take on the towers and they take down all of the access to the cell phone? then you are done. >> okay. so you are saying there is a technological capacity if there are a limited number of nodes in the system? >> 100%. >> if they row builds a new system does that provide access if they open the service at all. >> they can and you can build the networks on the border line countries. but how are you going to get the internet to the maz? it,the 1 or 2% that can figure out or build an ad hoc network to get internet communication out of the country. for the most part, the internet will be turned off.
>> as in history with military where there is offense, there is defense. the defense of the internet is shut it down. this continues. emily, what has happened in other situations egypt, for instance, tried at one point to turn off the internet. what is the political impact? >> i think egypt is a great example to bring up. it offers valuable lessons and it back fired. he script shut down the internet because they wanted to quell the protests taking over the country. what it did in effect was alert ordinary e gips to what was going on. so there were probably egyptians who were aware of protests didn't really understand the severity of them and then when the government took such a draconian measure, they were alerted something serious was happening. it had the opposite effect of what they wanted. >> it was the case in egypt since they were not quite as effective, the totalitarin regime was not and people were able to get -- in iran thes speculation. what do you think might happen if they shut off the enter fretinternet
sense in iran and they succeeded in the green revolution about two years ago. would they succeed in preventing an arab type spring from resulting? >> well, i think it could backfire there as well. it's hard to take away something once you have given it. and there is plenty of iranians who be joy facebook and twitter even those these are blocked. you could politcizing them further and get them on the streets. >> let's go to china, larger in scale, larger in importance although perhaps not quite the hotspot that iran is right now. but if you move to china, china has similar to iran tried to filter access to the internet. is that going to succeed? ari? your experience in this, will they be able to prevent hundreds of millions of people from getting out? >> they are doing it. i was in china a few months ago and i can tell you i tried accessing twitter facebook, youtube. it's blocked. i was in thailand in myanmar. the control of the bandwidth
they are controlling to the end user. it's terrible. they are only showing you what they want to show you. >> in other words, it is possible to put a filter in between citizens in china and everything out there? >>. >> they have the filters. i think the fitters will get wider. >> there are thousands of chinese on twitter, the twitter we know. they have sorts of ways to get on to it virtual private networks. >> why should you have to do that create an ad hoc slewing to something that should be to the user. >> there is a viebrant place and everything you are saying is true but it shows that it's impossible to complete shut things down. >> i think when the notion that social media was one of the driving forces behind the arab spring and somehow there is this new way of communication that by passed totalitarian rege-mails we have this eureka moment when
democracy can succeed. but i am hearing there are ways to push back. emily based upon your experience and ari, who is winning that battle? who is winning the back and forth in that effort? >> that's a good question. i -- i think over the long-term, i don't think that you can effectively suppress information. i don't think you can do it anywhere in the world. i think people will find ways to connecticut. they will find ways to connecticut to each other. and they will find ways to connect to the outside world. >> ari? you agree? >> not necessarily. i think it becomes too impossible and there are penalties whether it's fine whether it's jail time people will stay away from a lot of social media networks and communications because the governments are scared and they want to control the propagandaa. and syria is an example. we don't see video coverage out of syria or these copts trees. the government wants to control room it. >> this is a fascinating issue. we will have to see who wins this back and forth, whether the new media will permit the public