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left. are we going to work our way out of this. >> yes, but not in the immediate term. >> thomas, two seconds. >> it will take a while, but we'll get there. >> all right. we'll get there. that's "viewpoint" for tonight. stay right here to enter "the war room" with jennifer grandholm. thank for watching. have a great night. tonight in the war room, the president marks the one year anniverse of the death of osama bin laden by making a visit to afghanistan. >> it began with i a war in afghanistan and this is where it will end. >> the politics, the planning and. an inside look marking a historic anniversary. tonight nrkts war room. | [music] |
>> i'm jennifer granholm, welcome inside the war room. the trip was more than just a victory lap. the president and his afghan counter park karzai announced a 10 year agreement that establishes a framework for the u.s.-afghanistan partnership after allied troops withdraw in 2014. >> our goal is to destroy al qaeda and wor a path to do exactly that. of afghans want to assert their sovereigntiry and build a lasty peace. that requires a clear time line to wind down the war. others will ask: why don't we leave immediately? that answer is also clear. we must give afghanistan the opportunity to stabilize. >> for more on the president's afghan suris prize and its
political implications i'm joined by pj crowley, the former assistant subject of state and comes to us from washington. welcome into the war room. >> hello, jennifer. >> what is your take on this agreement? is it something in fact will help the president politically? >> this is a very important agreement tis something we sought in iraq and could not get. it is something we have done after every war. we have military forces in japan, europe, south korea because after the war ends the there is still work to do. there, you know, creates a path for the next 10 years. there will be military forces still in afghanistan i think doing three things. first is continue to help train afghan security forces. they will be in the lead but will still need to improve
capabilitias. secondly they will be able to attack the safe haiives that exist across the border and third, if there is a successful plight california negotiation between the karzai government and the taliban, which is how insurgencies finish, there will have to be an honest broke tore make sure all sides live up you to the political agreement. there are very important long-term megz missions and purposes in this engagement that will last under this agreement for the next decade why not 2014. >> so the policy is good policy is what you are saying. it looks like the normal political critics have been fairly quiet about this. it seems the president has through the department, has negotiated an agreement that looks like tell appease a lot of people. on the political side is though, i am curious because you have dealt with this on the
inside is, do you think the white house is concerned it was looking like he was spiking the football in the endzone as donald rumsfeld says? >> there is a fine line here. for any leader you have been through this, the real world doesn't stop for the election to go forward. iffiy woor great britain where elections happen in weeks yeah, you could do this. our election cycles are measured in years. certainly any cabdidate for reelecgets to tell the voters whatta he or she hassa chiefed during the time in office. clearly the fact that he went to afghanistan to do something important and did it on may 1 the anniversary of bin laden's demise is about politics. of but we are now fully into the election cycle and the president make his case that he has real national security achievements to go along with the economic
progress cho seung-hui have seen in recent months. >> tell us how long does it take to negotiate a bilateral greapt like this? how long has it been in the offing? >> this is something in the planning for many years. actually it's a tribute to the american side and the afghan side is that we have come to this point despite awe of the unfortunate and tragic events of the past few months. all of these things going back to the friendly fire incident with pack staby soldiers late last year, the marine corps video, the koran burning episode and the photos of american soldiers mugging with dead taliban fighters. all of these things could have seen the floor dropout of public support. and here on this side there has been a dramatic decline in
public support for the on-going presence in afghanistan. with that said the two countries have seen this through. it's very important document from a tra teejic stand point and political stand paint and it's a really big deal. >> let's take a listen to a sound bite from mitt romney this morning where he is calling president obama, you know, having politicized the death of osama bin laden. take a listen. >> of course i would have taken the same is decision. and to say i would have did it one way and mitt romney would have done it another is really disappointing. let's not make the capture and killing of osama bin laden a polit device and event. >> i think he was refering to the commercial that came out and that president clinton was in. the reality is wouldn't mitt romney do something similar if
the shoe was on the other foot? >> you know, i think he has a point. there is a fine line between scoring points and spiking the ball. and that obviously the voters will get to decide. but clearly the president's not going to shy away from putting forward his national security record over the past three and a half years as being a core pillar in his reelection campaign. >> and finally, because i know you have been on a number of these mission, just for the you viewers who want to know what that is like. can you describe a little bit of what goes into the planning and execution of a surprise visit like this in the dark? >> it's something president obama has done and something president bush before him has done. if it is unsettling. you have had military success
you would like to do this above board and not in the middle of the night. but the president is coming into a literally a war zone and these are to secret activities. the media gets to cooperate. they are in the back of the plane and are not allowed to talk about this until the plane lands and the president is safe and the lid is pulled off. but nonetheless, it's vitally important, this has political sig is canc not just here in the united states, but within afghanistan. you know, being able to come to president karzai and sign this agreement and show the afghan people the united states is going to remain engaged in the region and send a compelling message to nair neighbors that have meddled in their appars on affair, pakistan next door, the united states will be here and continue to try to help
afghanistan move forward. >> thank you pj for joining us inside the war room. that is pj crowley former assist isant to the secretary of state of affairs. of and here to discuss the strategic interests of the trip and a little politics is the assistant secretary of defense for global strategic affairs in the obamaa administration and former dean of the goldman school of policy, professor doctor, thank you so much for joining us inside the war room. you heard what pj crowley said about the agreement. do you agree with the three goals you think were identified in that? and how important is the strategic interests of that agreement for the united states? >> i think clearly laying out a game plan to maintain and
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>> neither americans nor the afghan people asked for this war. yet, for a decade we have stood together. today, with the stien signing of this extra teet teejic partnership agreement we are looking for a future of peace and are future partners. >> that was president obama in afghanistan today talking about what role the united states would play in that country. for more on how this will play out for the people of afghanistan and our troops is the former afghan ambassador to france and canada. welcome to the war room. >> thank you. good evening.
>> good evening. how, from your perspective how is this agreement going to play out in afghanistan? how will be the -- the people of afghanistan view this agreement? >> when they wake up tomorrow they will probably have a sigh of relief and they will be happy to hear that this has been finally signed. they have been working on this for more than 18 months and have gone through many versions of this agreement. what is important is the united states has sent a signal to the afghan people they will draw down to a minimum required to combat terrorism and train afghanistanas and that's another 10 years or so. it's not just about fighting or the security situation, it's a commitment to help afghanistan
on the social and economic development side as well as with governments and democracy building. i think those sometime, are forgotten or are secondary issues. but they are as critical as the first ones. >> often they are. but that means for those who are listening, that means the united states will continue to invest dollars in afghanistan. do you have any idea what the scope of that investment is going to be? >> the scope beyond 2014 will be comparatively minuscule to what is and continues to be spent now want we don't have figures and that will have to come as a result of what your congress will decide. but what we do know is the afghan armay -- armey and police
will require 4 billion but that is not all expected to come united states. all of nato helping afgone with its civilian endeavors in terms of economic and social development. it's a huge under taking, but beyond 2014 the scale will diminish to something much more manageable. >> president karzai and president obama can come you with an agreement but that doesn't mean the taliban will follow along. how does that intersect with this agreement? >> correct. the taliban have not agreed to anything. they have agreed to talk about talks and then they suspended it. they are notorious for trying to gain time and use time to their
advantage and for -- and continue to wage war at the same time. we want to reconcile and say anyone who is ready to come and participate in the democratic modernizing afghanistan is welcome. the problem that exists not so much within afghanistan but the regional level. it lays in pakistan and sanctuaries continue to help and harbor taliban and other group system a major impediment and pakistan has a big decision to make. and president obama was very clear in sending a message to region willal supporters and there is a consensus they would like to see peace and civility and south asia and afghanistan is a -- it was all sent as part
of the speech and i believe it hopefulliyy -- hopefully will be heard across the board. >> it's a very interesting development. i appreciate you coming inside the war room and explain from the afghanistan size side of things how it will be viewed. and coming up: so how did mitt romney spend his day? exactly. we'll look at how the power of the presidency can force its will on a campaign trail. you are in the war room on current tv. >>the war room needs your help. >>the only online forum with a direct line to jennifer granholm. >>our goal is to bring you behind the scenes with access to stories that you've never seen before. >>politicallydirect.com
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g? >>we tackle the big issues here in our nation's capital. >> one year ago from a base here in afghanistan, the troops launched the mission that killed osama bin laden, the goal i set toy defeat al qaeda and deny it a chance to rebuild is now one our reach. >> that is the president speaking tonight from afghanistan on the anniversary of the killing of osama bin laden. while the president was enroute to afghanistan, the man who wants his job was offering up a fresh batch of criticism. >> i think it was very
disappointing for the president to make this a political item by suggest ising i wouldn't have ordered such a raid. of course i would have. any american, any thinking american woulded have ordered the same thing. >> a few hours later romney tried to clarify his criticism about entering pakistan. >> many believe as i did it was naive on the part of the president, a candidate to say he would go into afghanistan a flageil and flammable time and >> so interesting. joining me to dive into how the events could play into the presidential election is donnie fowler. hes this stuff inside and how the. and rob stetsman who served as
deputy chief of staff to the california governor and let me start with you donnie. is there any way that you can discuss bin laden's death without the other side saying it's a political effort? >> apparently not. the republicans are pretty angry because they felt an entitlement and sort of spoiled children had their toys taken away. this president has stood up strong and o military and national security and has a track record and run s running on it. >> look at the obama campaign. he announced he had given the order and it was successful that was an american president with a great accomplishment by the american people. it is an example willle of
a american president bringing good news to the american people. but what the campaign can do with it can cheapen it. that's what the campaign did when they over politicized the mission. >> it has never been done by republicans before. >> that's not the issue. it is politicized. >> by every commander in chief. >> i don't think that. >> when you can't argue with someone on the merits. you call them name like politician and politicized. it's the last refuge is to say we can't argue with the president on the merit let's accuse him of being a a politician in an election year. >> that is a shared accomplishment. the commercials. a 10 year-effort by the united states and its agencies and a prior administration. >> but clinton was talking about it too, he started to t too.
>> he took a shot at him and missed too. >> going back a long time to get this guy. >> a history of pi -- bipartisan foreign policy and we needed to stick with it except with the iraq war under bush. but we need to steak with it. >> -- stick with it. >> i thought mccain did a nice job. >> agreed. >> saying he support is the agreement. the agreement was something he had worked on and all of that and -- >> it takes a village. >> and seeing something saying romney wouldn't have signed the treat gee karl rove would be all over. >> we haven't been talking about the economy for 48 hours. >> that's nota a body thing -- not a bad thing for the president to talk about either. >> you see the manufacturing report, the dow at a record high. >> you look at the swing states
and it's something he hasn't won >> the white house and campaign are ready to talk about romyny's plans for the american economy. >> i am interested in today because i think it was a brilliant, it was just brilliant in many way great policy makes good politics as we all know and this was really terrific. of u.s. troops scheduleed to leave in 2014, the gallup poll released in marchy showed 54% of independent voters want to speed up the with wall and only 18% say we should stay until the goals are accomplished, whenever that is. it says on both side it is a good move. of what do you think quickly i know we are running out of time and i'm talking too much. what do you think about mitt romney being quiet today. >> that's why it is better to be
president. who would you rather be? the president. because you control the news. the process of being president of the united states will be more commanding than being the challenger. >> global rose garden. >> well said i might steelsteal that. >> it's all yours. before anybody new the president was headed to afghanistan the tradition is you don't quiticize the president when he is out of the country and after that happened he went dark and that was smart politics. i will give him a tip of the hat for that. >> it's the right thing to do. >> it is. all i know when i watched the president talking to the troops as someone who has been commander in chief of the national guard, i got chilled. i thought this is really an important thing for the troops to hear, their commander in chief coming over in less than a 24 hour period under cover of darkness to say this is the beginning of the end of the war
and to thank diswhreem -- them. >> and what they did matter. >> yes. >> next: it was a day of protests around the country and it got ugly. the occupy movement spring offensive that is starting next on the war room. don't go away. deputy important these subjects can be that's why time warner cable developed connect a million minds. to introduce kids in our communities to the opportunities that inspire them to develop these important skills. how can my car go faster? maybe your child will figure it out. find out more at connectamillionminds.com [ dennis ] switch to allstate. their claim service is so good now it's guaranteed. [ foreman ] so i can trust 'em.
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and one of the biggest was in new york where thousands marchad down broadway to wall street. six were allegedly arrested. and in tempers flared in oakland four arrests have been reported there. stay tuned. this likely is not over yet. joining me now from new york to talk about how the occupy movement is shaping the national conversation is the professor of journalism at columbia university and the author of occupy nation, the roots the spirit and promise of occupy wall street. thank you professor for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> all right. i want to get to some of the events from today. because occupy oaklanda actually tweeted a photograph of awe a tank rolling down the streets
of oakland. i am wondering if from your perspective if the seeming militarization of the police forces after 9-11 has contrinted to the violence that has surrounded, that is made more violent than we might have seen otherwise. >> without a question. the police in many cities have been throwing down the gauntlet. they have all this equipment they bought with homeland security money and they, unfortunately, are -- and with the collusion of the mayors, i woulded say in many ways, they are treating what is a political and economic and cultural and i would say a moral problem as a police problem. that's short sighted. it's in flagrant disregard of the first amendment that speaks of the right of people to peacefully assemble. that's not something we should be proud of in had this country. >> what do you do, though, in you are the mayorive of a city and have people occupying the
public space in some way shape or form for days, months and it ultimately becomes potentially a health problem. what do you do about that? >> well, you have health laws to deal with it. the first amendment is explicit. congress should make no law to abridge the right of the law of the people to peaceabliys assemble to air grievances. i think the state has to show very good reason why there is a danger and why there is a potential violationa. of when you have a lot of people getting together to look to each other and argue and discuss what to do and what they want and on, that's the height of the democratic ideal. you need a very, very high hand stard to go against that. i don't see it.
>> there were protests across the country, some bigger and some smaller. if this was a test of occupy's staying power, do you think it has that? >> yeah. i think the numbers of turn out at least in new york, were at the high end of numbers that showed up at any point in the fall. and the fact that occupy doesn't have a central place any more and is dispersed they would have to say it was a success is. they are out of hypeernation and got out of the cave and look around and flex their muscles and try to do a lot of things. a many strokes for many folks. now they are ready for the next accept. what that is anybody's guess. >> the next question, of course, what is the next step? i'm interested at the colessing between the occupy movement and labor movement. there seems to be interesting
synergiy there. do you think that will be a permanent co?eks. >> i don't know if it is permanent, but it is is very important. we saw it in the fall. we are seeing a higher degree of collaboration. they are not all the same. the heart of the occupy movement is more military and anar kist and the labor movement is more orderly and tied in to the centers of power. they have to work out a way of living together. they have to work out a collabrative relationship. if we are going to speak of the 99% as a metaphor, that's more than either one of those parties. >> for sure. >> they have to go to the dance together. >> for sure. do you think the economic recovery that is apparent lie starting will have an impact on the occupy movement? does it take away some of the teeth? >> i very much doubt it. the rise and the power of the
politcrats have been taking place for decades. millions were foreclosed on and millions out of workoir part-time work when they want full-time work. a trillion in student loans. these are boulders that have been rolling a long time. i don't think the immediate improvements will hinder it is. >> i really appreciate you coming in to the war room and writing the book and getting this whole thing rolling. that's todd gitlin. coming up next: we get the pulse of today's protests from someone who was on the ground. and later brent erlick beats a dead horse again. >> newt gingrich has an announcement he will make another announcement. don't go away.
>> todaya's mayday other known as international workers day. protestors poured out on to the streets from toronto to brazil to mark the event. how are workers faring in this country? in short, not well. let's take a closer look. first of all can you believe this staatistic, the top 400 wealthiest americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million americans. that is a problem. this tells you where all of the gains have gone. the in 2009-2010 93% of the gains of wealth went to the top 1%. 93%. 7% went went to the bottom 99%. we have rising income disparity and one of the reasons is
because when union membership declined middle class income declined. there is a direct correlation based upon the work of the union movement we have had a good middle class in had this country. joining me here in the war room to talk about that and the state of the labor movement is clarence thomas, not that clarence thomas. member of the international long shore and warehouse union ask co-chair of the million worker march. you thank you so much for joining me here. >> thank you so much for having me. it's not very often working class people get a chance to speak in their own name. i just want to say up front i'm not speaking for the union although i have held -- >> leadership. >> position of leader. >> you are still representing. [laughing] >> i like to think so. >> you are speaking on behalf of millions who might not otherwise
get a chance. >> absolutely. >> let's talk about the state of the american labor movement. can you give me a sense and snapshot of where you continuing is at. >> first of all we need to be very clear about something. there is only about 7% of the private sector that is unionized. that's the lowest it has been since 1,900. that really sums up how we are doing. the the gravaic you showed also explains. when we have 25 million people either under employed or unemployed we have young people facing 1 trillion in debt. we find it is becoming more difficult to send our children to college because we don't make living wages. a tax on social security. a tax on our health care. of and even when president obama attempted to put forward an alternative to the current
health care situation. >> single pair system, you mean. >> yes, there was no public option. and so we need medicare for all in my opinion. i think one of the things that is lacking -- >> i'm giving you a high five on that. >> thank you. i thought you wanted me to stop talking. >> i'm with you all the way on that. >> i think we can learn some lessons from the past. since this is may day, one of the things may day has taught us is that working people need to be able to have class independence. >> what do you mean by that? >> we did not get the 8 hour work day through legislative measures. we got that through direct action and through the use of general strike. that's been one of the ways in which working people have been able to gain concession is with holding our labor. today local 10 did not work for
8 hours in observance of international workers day that afforded our members to be able to have a union meeting and get on the picket line and work in solidarity with other unions like the nurses and others under attack. >> what do you say? we are in a global economy and you know what the arguments are these businesses can go to other places and do it much cheap sper don't have to deal with the hassel of unionized work force. how do you respond to that when we do know capital is very mobile now and we are seeing -- especially in the manufacturing side, stuff moving elsewhere? how do you reconcile having good management-labor relationshippas here in the united states. >> well, you know, i think fundamentally we are dealing dealing with moral questions here. it is working people that grow the food that pick the food that prepare the food.
in my industry we are responsible for moving international cargo. the commerce of the world passes through our hands. we are not only the muscle, but we are also the brainas in making this economy go. but we don't get rewarded. so when you hear things like a jobless economic recovery. what does that mean? does that mean the people who can invest get all of the breaks and those of us who do the producing do nothing? -- get nothing? i think that's not right. what are the thing -- one of the things the labor movement needs to do is the same thing capital does. we need to connect with workers globeally. and we need to act in a manner of solisidarity. many of our employers in the long shore industry are all around the world. it is easy to connect. >> we should be adopting trade agreements that enable that to happen so we don't do trade with
partners who don't have the same rules we have. >> exactly. we believe in thraid that will benefit the community. >> just real quick just real quick. you were out there today. did it go well? >> yes. >> you were on the ground. >> there were some things we did not like from the police department, but that's not anything new either. >> i understand. i understand. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> i really appreciate it. clarence thomas, member of the international long shoreune yob. of the country may have had its fill of new gingrich but brett erlick has not. the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting,
| [music] | >> newt gingrich's campaign is coming to an end and what a ride it was. his poll numbers shot over the moon and then started talking about the moon and then his numbers came crashing back down-to-earth. he was to suspend his candidacy today, but things for newt don't always go as plannedda as brett explains. >> remember how last week
gingrich anowppeded he would anowps he is going to end his campaign. today he announced his campaign is ending tomorrow. i have an announcement. he love announcements. >> i will be suspending the campaign as part of a precedent. >> i just thought your whole campaign was a desdent. that's why you are not quitting today, you didn't want to be over shadowed by the bin laden anniversary or protests or taco tuesday. >> your help is vital. two and a half million voters. >> that's almost exactly one voter for every $2 in campaign you have. what strikes me most about the videoy is how personal he tries to make. >> i wanted to thank you personally. >> but i didn't do anything for you. i just kind of waited until you said weird stuff like this. >> we will have the first
permanent race on the moon and it will be america. >> and then i go you're ridiculous. your wife makes me feel ill at ease, but i accept your gratitude and i offer these jokes i didn't get to use while you are running. what is the difference 15 newt newt and voldemort? voldemort is the evil pale face sorcer who doesn't have a nose. the event was even attended by her parents and a falson. it was difficult growing up with a head that big if someone missed with a spit ball it would orbit his craneium. thanks for the memories. while i'm done talking something tells me you're not. >> oh, brett. thanks for joining us here in the war room. someone is always in our war room. check us out on-line