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>> joy: again, you can catch comics with benefits on current tv friday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. it's a great event. all the proceeds go to help victims of hurricane sandy. i thank all my guests. thank you very much. come again tomorrow. we'll see you. >> welcome to the "young turks." i've got to be honest with you. we've got a powerful show for you tonight. first of all it got ugly in michigan, right to work laws the republicans are trying to push in. look what happened. >> he's got a gun! >> i'm going to tell you exactly how he got there. that was a fox contributor getting punched in the face.
we'll tell you all about that in a minute. we'll go to zero dark 30. they got a torture scene in there. is that how we got bin laden? not at all. it makes me mad, as well. >> we've got fox on fox crime. >> all the white people didn't move. how great is that. >> i saw chris matthews on nbc i would say dog whistle. >> dog whistle. we'll talk to him later in the show. >> then we got oliver stone not a big deal. then we got richard rockefeller. i'll save it for later in the show. all right and plus, reality t.v. isn't real. who knew? crazy. it's go time. [ ♪ theme ♪ ]
[ crowd chanting ] >> that's michigan, where the republicans are trying to jam through right to work laws. and 12,000 unionized workers showed up to protest. they reached capacity in the capitol building at 2,200. they shut out everybody else abc news report. >> michigan republican controlled state legislature approved the controversial right to work bill today 58-51. >> the bill is passed. >> why shut people out? why did we do this? i can tell you why because good ideas get debated and bad ones get rammed through with police protection in a lame duck legislature. [ crowd chants ]
>> well, governor snyder had run his one tough nerd and hence that's buy they're chanting one term nerd. they are very mad at him for flip-flopping. we'll get to that in a second. then, they got really mad at steven crowder a fox contributor and so-called comedian. he got in workers' faces and it didn't work out we will for everybody involved. >> leave it alone. >> get out of my face! get the [bleep] out of my face. i didn't hurt nobody. get out of my face! back off! back the [bleep] off! >> ok!
>> he's got a gun! >> i'll kill the [bleep] with a gun! kind of killed plenty of [bleep] with a gun. >> that is crazy. that never should have happened. punching him was wow control totally unacceptable. the guy talking about guns, are you kidding me? somebody arrest that guy. had no, that's madness. steven crowder, what are you doing? you were trying to provoke people and you think it's cute. it's not cute, these guys worried about their wages families, heat care, their pension, and you get in their face and act all smug and then when you provoke them and they hit you and you have that smug smile at the end. they should have never hit him. you also shouldn't be provoking people who are really hurt.
that's why they're so angry. they were ripping down the americans for prosperity tent. on that, i say hell, yes. it's those guys, now there's of course a koch brothers funded institution that caused this mess in the first place. governor snyder back in the day claimed he was a moderate and said: >> now that was back in december of 2011, just a year ago. now, all of a sudden, at the front of his agenda. why? because he was lying! he's always been lying! he took the money from the koch brothers, et cetera and he always was going to do this. in fact, here is former michigan gop mayorman, ron -wiser as he's talking about their plan dating back to 2007. he talks about how he met former governor john angler from michigan and former oklahoma
governor keithing and dick debos and americans for prosperity and they patched up this plan. here he is talking about it. >> i was talking to governor keithing the last day to pass right to work, and i was with governor engleer. what we determined was that to win that election and be sure to win it, we put in a governor. we decided to wait until we had a governor. now, we have the legislature and we have the governor. >> all the way back in 2007 they have a meeting saying hey hey, let's wait until we get a republican governor in place then that governor can pretend he's not going to take away the worker's rights and the moment we have the majority, we strike and take away the workers rights and we screw them over. that was their plan all along.
billionaire donors love that plan because they've been screwing their workers all the time. he took away a thousand blue collar jobs in 2000 and he took away 100 white collar jobs in 2009, moved them to costa rica. who got snyder elected? who were the donors? look at that, david koch, paul singer a huge hedge fund manager, bought up a parts company and held the governor hostage so we can rescue g.m. and ford. the devos family, the amway guys who screw over their employees on a regular basis they don't give them pensions, health care
or anything. of course, the michigan chamber of commerce which makes screwing over workers a professional living. that's what they do for a living. these are the guys that back -- do you think snyder had a change of heart? no this was the plan all along and we've got it on tape. now, let me tell you more. talk to americans for prosperity and you go and ask them hey did you guys back this? it was your tent, your money that got poured in. i love this answer. >> oh, please! cookies and coffee. if you mean millions upon millions of dollars that's exactly what you did. they couldn't help bragging. americans for prosperity put out this statement:
>> in other words, of course we want to do it in the heart of michigan so we rip out the union's heart right there and show it to their face. they're unabashed about it. scott has hagerstrom says: >> you see that? it's also political. if you weaken the unions enough, they don't have enough money to fight back and then you can totally bull doze them. in fact, how do they influence the republicans in that state? well, we've got some news from detroit free press on that:
>> cenk: in other words we pressure all the republican legislators that we bought and say you do as we tell one crush those workers. why? because they're going to make more when their workers paid less. let me show you how they have screwed the workers for decades. this is a chart where the corporations have their profits and their taxes. in the beginning they actually were getting taxed more because in 1952 than their share of profits. will you look at that, golden years, 1950's to 1960's. what's happening? it's proportional or even more taxes. there they complain about high taxes, i get it. in the 1970's, even beginning of the 1980's. then what that is? because they fixed the laws in
their fave, because they bought all those politicians their profits soar and taxes plummet. they used to play a third of the taxes in this country now they only pay 9%. you know what thattance? we pay more. they shifted the taxes on to us. did they shift the money on to us? of course not. look at the next chart this is my favorite chart. i always show it to you because it's so important. productivity going up, that's the yellow line. wages and compensation flatline. how? they crushed unions, i'm not a lover of unions, but at least they stick up for workers. at least they're a slight balance to the tremendous power of these corporation, but what the corporations did other than crushing workers is that they bought all the politicians they fixed the laws in their favor. they pocketed all the extra productivity gained, put it in their pocket.
did they pay taxes on it? hell no, lowered their faxes. they buy people like snyder, oh, no, it's not my priority. i'm going to take your rights, power and money away and put it in the pockets of my don donors. >> it's a good thing pro worker, giving freedom of choice to workers. it's about economic development. we will get more and better jobs coming to michigan, because we're going to be more competitive. >> oh, pro worker yeah. let me show you pro job nonsense. the real numbers, in right to work states, four out of five toyota received the most federal aid are right to work states. i thought they were supposed to be great. why are they taking federal aid? they're lying to you. wages in right to work states are 3.2% lower. was they are because then you
can't work together to make sure that you have power. they take the power away and they lower your wages. give me another one. the rate of health insurance is 2.6% lower. they abuse their own power to do this to you. give me one more. the rate of pensions is 4.8% lower. they're not going to give you health care, decent wages pensions if they don't have to, but this smug ass snyder continues w. his b.s. >> unions should be more responsive to workers in terms of showing why they're a great flies join. i've met people that said they would like to choose to join or have the flexibility to not to and they believe they'll get better accountability from unions. it will be a positive. >> a positive for unions? will you shut up already you're such an obviously goddamn liar.
just shut up about it. positive for unions my ass. you had a plan all around to rob those folks now pretending you're for unions. you know what they actually want? this happened the other day. union and non-union workers fighting each other. their main, pension and health care was taken away and they pit one another against you. look what happened here. >> you don't see my point of view, because i support everybody, i'm not for myself. >> it shouldn't be a condition of employment that you have to join the union and have to pay dues as a condition of employment to feed your family. >> that's what they want. they want you guys to fight each other while they take all your money. don't let them do it. they ruined our democracy. it's past time to fight back. "young turks." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] benefit for victims of hurricane sandy, i booked the strongest, smartest comics i could find.
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>> if you're right, the whole word is going to know this. >> at the center of the greatest manhunt in history. >> the c.i.a.'s biggest secret is that its best buys women. because she's working undercover as a c.i.a. agent she can't get credit. >> in the intelligence business, you work from a lot of sources. >> >> cenk: zero dark 30 is the movie about our manhunt on osama bin laden. there's a scene where someone gets tottured. he took the side that yes i'm finally vindicated my pro
torture argument. go ahead moral compass of television. >> i've had to listen to people on this show for years tell me well, the c.i.a. program didn't work. waterboarding didn't work, and i knew that was just not true. it did get information for terrorists that eventually led to not just the killing of osama bin laden but a lot of victories. >> cenk: that's of course absolutely not true, as i'm about to show you. conservatives, liberal hollywood, don't believe the movies approximate the minute there's a movie on their side, i told you we were right. >> it is continued because the mainstream media loves torture. >> there's no question in the record that shows or in other
research that i've done that the name of the career led us to bin laden's hideout. emerged in these harsh interrogations. >> cenk: there's no question. i'm about to show you the question. all those guys in the establishment media. did dick cheney say torture is great, we pray to you, tort u. is great frauds. when they asked the guy who wrote the movie wait a minute, you seem to imply that torture is what led to the capture and that's not what happened. he says: >> cenk: not that it led to the bin laden capture. it's part of the program. oh well, i didn't make a documentary. that this is the one they're quoting. who knows about this? people in the senate. john mccain, because of course, he has been tortured in the
past, has a lot of experience about this and more important he has intelligence on this. he says of the. >> it didn't work. he goes one step further mccain also says: >> cenk: that's the reality. not what ignatius and scarborough say to justify their immoral love for torture. we're going to bring in a real expert lindsey moran a former
c.i.a. operative and author of the book, "bill press show" my cover, my life as a c.i.a. spy. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> within the c.i.a., do they buy into this enhanced interrogation thing or people go well what am i going to do, i'm going to do it? >> well, you know, my experience with the agency is that most intelligence officers do not buy into this. moral implications aside most intelligence officers, i think agree and intelligence experts agree that open hand interrogation techniques and torture do not yield quality intelligence so, you know, this notion that a film which shows the torture scene used in the film about osama bin laden that
somehow proves enhanced interrogation techniques work is kind of preposterous. frankly, i think those assumptions degrade the role of real intelligence, that that's the way to get quality intelligence when we've seen again and again nine times out of 10, that produces faulty intelligence. he was water boarded over 100 tiles. it was reported by various official intelligence contacts that the lead to the courier did not come from those waterboarding or torture sessions. >> cenk: if waterboarding worked why would you do it 183 times. this is absurd. >> exactly. >> cenk: there's another absurd part of the story which is also amazing, a woman pursued bin laden, had the right lead.
she explains what the character is let's watch that first. >> there are two narratives about the location of osama bin laden. >> she heads the cast of zero dark 30. the film gibbs on 9/11 and ends with the killing of osama bin laden. her character maya is based on a real life woman who was there. >> this movie, and this is a very strong, incredible woman at the center of the greatest manhunt in history. because she's working undercover as a c.i.a. agent she can't get credit. >> now we hear the incredible news that she actually was denied a promotion. my god how in the world could that happen? >> it doesn't surprise me at all, i have to say. >> so why doesn't it surprise you? how could the woman who was critical in getting bin laden not get a promotion in the c.i.a.? >> you know, i just chuckled reading this story because
there is a former intelligence official quoted anonymously and i don't know why this was anonymous, because i thought it was so brilliant who said the c.i.a. is kind of like middle schoolers with clearances. this is very much in keeping with my experience at the agency as i've said before. the agencies biggest secret is that its best buys women. i don't know necessarily know that this woman was an operations officer but she was obviously a very savvy targetter who evidently was one of the initial advocates of going after bin laden via his couriers. it doesn't surprise me she was passed over for a promotion. we used to joke that there was a reverse darwinism in effect where the mediocre rise to the top and the shining stars would not, particularly if they are women. >> that's amazing. one more question about this. as i read the story of how she pursued him, i thought it was
the most logical thing i ever heard. in order to reach bin laden because he gets messages out at some point he needs a courier that gets the messages out. how could somebody at the c.i.a. and those opposed to this line of thinking not think that that's the most obvious thing they ever heard in their lives. what happens inside the agency when obvious ideas like this have to fight through so much bureaucracy to get a success. >> you hear they want officers to think outside the box but in a way that's not encouraged at the agency. it does seem obvious. one of the reasons i think you have this interrogation or torture scene in zero dark 30 is because if you were to put on screen the real painstaking and order with us process of intelligence collection and analysis it's not that interesting to watch. you know, from what i
understand this young woman really advocated this and didn't get support follow her superiors. when she received an award, she was rightly upset when other people received an award who had tried to quash her idea. she was rightly upset and lambasted them. she was lambasted in turn for having a big ego. the service is made up with people with big egos. if we were to eliminate all the gentlemen, with big egos from the c.i.a., there would be virtually nothing there. >> punishing her for that is absurd. if i got bin laden i've have a pretty big ego, too. >> thank you for joining us and shedding light on this. we really appreciate it. >> cenk: thank you. >> when we come back, the shocking fact that reality t.v. is not the real. the details are that are amazing. >> justice scalia with a disastrous analogy on gay rights. >> a lot of us are campaign
professionals and we want to do everything we can to help our side and sometimes we think that's voter i.d. >> a great admission on voter i.d. >> i get out the chains, i get free i save my wife and i kill all the white people in the movie. [ cheering ] >> how great is that? arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. [ piano plays ] troy polamalu's going deeper. ♪ ♪ and so is head & shoulders deep clean. [ male announcer ] with 7 benefits it goes deep to remove grease, gunk and flakes. deep. like me. [ male announcer ] head & shoulders deep clean for men. ♪ ♪
let's watch. >> it is good to be black. black is the new white. i'm telling you how black is this right here? nice fly here. i play a sleigh. how black is that? [ laughter ] and in the movie, i have to wear chains. how whack is that? but don't be worried about it because i get out the chains, i get three, i save my wife and i kill all the white people in the movie. how great is that? >> cenk: how great killing white people. really? oh, my god outrage! can you imagine if a slave got free and actually saved his wife and then killed the people who were enslaving him? that would have been outrageous. wait a minute. then they had this complaint too. >> i guess i'm just going to have to accept that liberals can say anything and it can be racial. it can be bigoted. it could be hateful and it's okay. is that just the way it's going to be in america