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cenk: welcome to a very special "young turks." "young turks" at night. all right. well, we had a very serious story, stabbing in texas let's show you that. >> male on the loose stabbing people. >> i was there a couple feet away from what actually happened. cenk: how many people got killed? none, because it wasn't a gun. in fact, president obama's special maneuver on the legislation, we're going to get to later. it was very interesting and powerful. now, speaking of maneuvers mitch mcconnell had a couple of dirty ones ready for ashley
judd, apparently. cenk: oh wow. we're going to talk about those secret thames from mitch mcconn them's office and whether it will get a liberal reporter in trouble. that and a lot more. "the young turks," it's go time. ♪ theme ♪ cenk: all right, i don't know if you've noticed but we're having a little bit of a blackout in the studio. nothing to do with current bring it down. it just happens to be this area in los angeles that had a power outage. nonetheless, look at us, man this is what professionals do, we carry on. let's bring you the news of today. we had another mass injuries today, not a shooting for a change. it happened in texas. it was mass stabbings but guess
what nobody's killed. here's a report from abc. >> just after 11:00 a.m., police received a call of an attack at a college just outside of houston. >> the call was described as male on the loose stabbing people. >> at least 14 people were wounded in an apparently stabbing at the loan star college system's campus in cyprus. >> i was just going to class and i just walked in and i saw a girl bleeding on the stairwell. >> it was pretty scary. it's pretty close to home and i was there a couple feet away from what actually happened. you know how they say you can't stop crazy people. you're right. they couldn't stop they will. you might have been hearing impaired, he was carrying a stuffed animal. obviously it was a pretty disturbed person here, but without a gun the dodge he did was limited. it's terrible, 12 people in the hospital right now, 14 wounded overall, but if he had an a.k.47, believe me, there would
be a lot more than 12 people in a hospital and there would be a lot of people unfortunately would have passed away. yes, there is something we can do to limit people who are crazy, take their guns away. when you say that, republicans say oh, my god we have to filibuster any kind of bill that would be on gun control. in fact, that brings us to today's news. let's go to abc for that. doesn't appear there's enough support you to pass a ban an scowled assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips. about a dozen republican senators are threatening to block a vote. harry reid is weighing what to do. >> i hope republicans will stop trying to shut down debate, start engaging on the tough issues we were sent to washington to tackle. >> even background checks, which are supported by nine in 10 americans face strong opposition. cenk: 90% of americans, what
difference does it make? the republicans are looking to filibuster it anyway and joe biden's not going to let them get away with it. >> 13 senators said i will filibuster proceeding on dealing with this national tragedy. won't even proceed. now maybe between now and the time it gets on the floor, they will ask, my mother will say they will have seen the light. maybe that will change. what an embarrassing thing to say! cenk: you know, it's refreshing to see democrats fighting back this hard. on a tiny little thing background checks. we told you over 90% of americans agree with it, but when the republicans usually go to do a filibuster, democrats usually cave. in this case, at least they're putting a fight up. in fact, president obama wow he took a really interesting move after speaking in
connecticut, he brought some of the families of the victims of new town down to washington to make the case personally. he wanted the legislators look him in the eyes if they're going to vote against him. >> do something before our tragedy becomes your tragedy. >> families of the newtown victims showed up at the u.s. senate to lobby lawmakers face-to-face. they traveled to washington aboard air force one as guests of president obama. cenk: all right. that's a strong move, and one i can get behind. now, let's bring it back and a guy who was an epic political correspondent and now an epic host of the war room, michael shure. michael, great to talk to you again. >> great to talk to you cenk. cenk: an epic host now. >> all right we'll talk it. cenk: all right. so michael it looks like all of a sudden we've got a fight on our hands and for a while might
even give up on background checks and pass almost nothing nothing but a figure leaf, basically. but now with bloomberg's money president obama bringing the newtown families, biden fighting back, et cetera. it looks like they might get a vote on background checks. >> i think they're going to get the vote on thursday. harry reid's not going to tell you he's going to have a vote unless he knows there's going to be a vote. more on that in a second. the most important thing we learned today is nine republican senators have signed on to say we're not going to filibuster. we don't want to go down that road. these people do in fact as the president has said so often deserve a vote. it makes you think, cenk with harry reid, you look back and say all right, we were all upset with him for pulling the idea of the assault weapons ban pulling that from this legislation to bring it to a vote. harry reid apparently knew what
he was talking about. cenk: that's approximately. you know he did talk about what was doable. you're right apparently this is the limit of what was do believe in congress. it doesn't speak well of congress, but i was surprised to see john mccain say it was incom presencable that this wouldn't get a vote, so a little fissure in the crack. in that vote, will the mccontains and other republicans that are getting past the filibuster actually volt with the democrats or no? >> i suspect that they will, some of them will. i don't know that all of them will, but certainly enough to override any kind of a filibuster. what's happening in the republican party is you see this fractured caucus, people like marco rubio ted cruz, both idaho senators going a little bit farther afield from the rest of the republicans. they're redefining what moderate
is in the republican party but most importantly, which i don't know when the last time i heard a party leader signing on to a filibuster, mitch mcconnell is partly of those 14 senators right now. that's astonishing to me, so he is really sort of taking refuge with that wing of his party and i think he'll have trouble with that in future legislation. >> i want to share with you something, let's watch. >> how often do 90% of americans agree on anything? and yet 90% agree on this, republicans, democrats folks who own guns, folks who don't 80% of republicans, more than 80 of gun owners, more than 70% of n.r.a. households. it is common sense and yet there's only one thing that can stand in the way of change that
just about everything agrees on and that's politics in washington. cenk: now, michael if they actually succeed on background checks my guess is there is going to be a huge mission accomplished banner hung up somewhere. is it really mission accomplished, is there an end yes, we finally got a vote on something that 90% of the country agrees on and forget we failed on assault weapons ban high capacity magazines ban, et cetera? >> one of the refrains you're hearing from these families is we are not done. if they lose, win, we are not done. i think this is probably the genesis going forward of getting stricter begun legislation. i do think it in forms a little bit of how barack obama is spending so much time trying to make sure that nancy pelosi is the next speaker of the house. i think that is all part of this. he's mentioning feinstein's legislation, i don't see it going away. you a looked to this earlier
when you said that yeah, it's the democraties fighting back, showing some spine but it is something on which 90% of america is behind. they have to get behind some of the things that's 54% of america's behind, because that's still a majority. cenk: look, it's the soft bigotry of low expectations that we get excited that democrats fight for something that 90% of the country agrees on. >> that's exactly right. that's true. cenk: michael shure epic television host, host of the war room. thanks for joining us, man, we appreciate it. >> thanks. cenk:arian brotherhood suspected in the killings of three government officials. we've got one of their defense attorneys on the show when we come back to tell us what it's really like inside thearian brotherhood from his perspective, having represented them. really interesting interview coming up. >> no doubt about what would happen to you if you ever, ever betrayed us across our path. >> we'll kill your children,
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cenk: thearian brotherhood has been implicated in self crimes recently. two prosecutors in texas michael folan and another were also skilled suspected of beingarian brotherhood but we don't know for sure. >> j.r. mcclellan said his father and stepmother's death should sound an alarm. >> it needs to put all public officials an their toes, not just texas. it's basically domestic terrorism. >> her ashes were placed inside
her husband's flag-draped casket forever. cenk: is that something thearian brotherhood normally do or not? first of all national geographic did an interesting documentary on this. let's watch that. >> thearian brotherhood started inside california maximum security penitentiaries, but would expand, establishing control inside dozens of state and federal prisons across the nation. among inmates, they have a fearsome reputation as savage killers. >> it was the most prized south off the soldiers for the mob members ofarian brotherhood because of the ruthlessness. cenk: well, to give you a sense of how ruthless they are they make up only one 10th of 1% of the inmate population, but responsible for the 20% of prison murders. there's a specific branch in texas called the texas arian
brotherhood. they have been accused of 100 murders and 10 kidnappings. now, recently, there was an indictment in november of 2012 for 30 of their members and then four very send year leaders in that group and one was james marshall meldrum known as dougherty. agreeing to commit multiple acts of murder, robbery arson kidnapping and narcotics trafficking. we have his attorney with us. richard, welcome to "the young turks." we appreciate you joining us. >> well, thank you. cenk: so, richard, you have a concern with texas shootings being characterized at likely to be from the arian brotherhood.
>> first off the three murders the two of the district attorney and his assistant and the district attorney's wife for the third occurred in coffman county, rural county outside of dallas. the arian brotherhood members arrested come from all over the state, from the houston area, the galveston area, dallas, fort worth, they're from all over the state. we have acts of violence solely occurring in coffman county, tributed to the arian brotherhood. if this was an order of retaliation by the leaders of the gang, i would have expected to see it in other areas where we have not seen it. that's the first one. the second one you mentioned at the top of the program of, you know describing in pretty lure
rid detail the ruthlessness of the arian brotherhood. the kind of killing that i would expect to see would be more in line with, you know, a beating to death or a kidnapping taking someone out into a country road and beating them up and shooting them. as i understand, and i don't know all the details i've just what i've read in the paper, the district attorney in particular was shot a number of times from inside his house with a .223 rifle. it's a rifle cartridge and he apparently had recently declined further security protection, and opened the door to whoever it was that killed him. i am just -- i'm not saying it's not the arian brotherhood i just don't think it quite
matches with their accustomed method of operating. cenk: but so, i was reading in this case, and i get it, the arian brotherhood has slightly different gruesome ways of killing people, two different cases, one cooperated with the police, they chopped off all five of his fingers before killing him another case, burning genitals for leaving the gang those two different cases. i forget which they did to each person. is that the thing they just shot him 20 times you think it's not arian brotherhood? why wouldn't they target the police especially after the 34 indictments. >> first of all i'm not saying it's fought the arian brotherhood. i'm saying there's a slight difference in the m.o. and questions why we haven't seen it in other areas. it very well could be. i want to make one thing really
clear is nothing i'm saying detracts from the horror of this particular killing. it's a tragedy for families, and i can't stress enough that i hope law enforcement brings the people who actually did this to justice, whoever they are but let's not get fixated on the fact that it's the arian brotherhood just because this county had a few people in the arian brotherhood arrested and had the cases in houston several of them are charged with capital offenses. we are not talking about nice people here, but let's have some more facts before we jump off and say the arian brotherhood did this. cenk: richard you're representing this mr. dirty character. let me understand why you guys pled guilty. was it to avoid the death penalty? >> no, he's not charged with a capital crime. he's charged his offenses
involved small -- well, measurable amount of methamphetamine and assaultive behavior. he's looking at i will a maximum of 20 years incarceration, and if you know anything about federal practice, you know that the plea bargaining does not occur anywhere close to the way it does in the state system. there's very little leeway. you do get possibly some reduction for acceptance of responsibility in pleading guilty. my client entered a guilty plea and he expects to be sentenced and he's going to go do his time. he understands that, and he's going to pay for what he's done. cenk: so richard you're a court-appointed attorney right? >> that's correct. cenk: so when they give you the news congratulations, you just drew the arian brotherhood case, how do you feel about that?
>> well, like i feel about anytime i get a client. i've represented people that were much more violent who were not members of the arian brotherhood. i've represented members of m.s.13, the texas syndicate the mexican mafia the bloods, the crips. i've represented a lot of gang members. you get the clients that you are assigned when you accept court points and it didn't particularly bother me that mr. meldrum is a member of the arian brother hood. i consider him to be a client of mine a good client, he listens to what i say and i have no problem representing him other than the fact that like anyone, you're representing someone who's charged with a crime. now, that's my job and it's my
responsibility and my privilege really, under the constitution of the united states to do that. cenk: so richard i though, and you're a lawyer and it's a tough job and literally somebody's got to do it, but one of the prosecutors in texas stepped aside after one of the arian brotherhood cases because he's worried about his security. do you worry about your security? you say he's a good client, but maybe he thinks you are not a good lawyer. do you worry about security then? >> that's always a possibility. when you represent people who have committed crimes, they generally when they go to prison and serve a lengthy prison material, they generally blame their lawyers, not the prosecutors. normally, the belief is the prosecutor's just doing his job the lawyer made a big mistake here causing me to have to serve time, because the last one
accused would be the person who actually did the act. that's evasion of personal responsibility is a significant factor. i've had clients make threats against me. i've prosecuted a couple of death penalty cases and i had recently a guy i prosecuted for the beating of his eight-month-old pregnant wife finally got out of leveanworth. i'm a little more worried about him. cenk: you have a tough job richard. stay safe. >> thank you. cenk: thank you for joining us. when we come back, mitch mcconnell being dirty was prepared to go very dirty on ashley judd and we have the tapes to show it. >> is it ok to commit crimes?
cenk: ashley judd was considering running against mitch mcconnell for the senate seat. she decided not to, but the drama's not over. mother jones found tape of mitch mcconnell and his staff talking about what they would do to her and anyone else who might run against him. here is mitch mcconnell talking about his competitors:
cenk: do them out. i don't know what that means it might be a kentucky thing but they were ready to get tough with everybody specifically ashley judd, because they had a lot of dirt on her. now, when you look at the different people who might have actually recorded this, that's where mitch mcconnell's team that gotten angry. they think it might have been a bugging of their office, making accusations. >> last month my wife's ethnicity was attacked by a leftwing group in kentucky and then apparently bugged my headquarters. i think that pretty well sums up the way the political left is operating in kentucky. cenk: well, when mother jones was confronted with these bugging charges, they said:
cenk: all right now we are bringing in two guests, our epic political host, michael shure is back and kevin robolard is a reporter for politico. take things one thing at a time. first whether all this planning against ashley judd was fair game. i want to show you one more clip about that relating to her mental health which they apparently wanted to question. cenk: kemp, is that fair game? >> that's really difficult to say, whether or not that is fair game. clearly, it's definitely questionable. it's not something you typically
bring up at a political campaign is the opponent's mental health. in the past, it has been used, 1972 thomas eagle to know, george mcgovern's running mate had to leave the ticket. whether or not they would have actually used that against ashley judd is something of a question. they pretty much threw everything that they had at her even before she actually declared she was rung and before she eventually dropped out. it's a question of whether or not they would have used it, and i think that probably, if anything, would have been sort of a last gasp thing they would have used. cenk: this is yet another example of politics that are pervasive in washington d.c. cenk: we do here people laughing throughout the tapes. i'm going to go further than kevin. i think it is fair game.
if i was running against a republican and thought he had issues with mental health, i'd bring it up. >> you're right. i think it's fair game. also i agree with kevin because, you know, what kevin is saying is we don't know if it's fair game. they didn't use this on an ad or a campaign trail. this was a conversation and a really cool thing for people to see of what it's like in one of those war rooms where they sit and plan out what a campaign will be like. they didn't actually say this was not yet republican assumption but it maybe one of the reasons why ashley judd's candidacy was never able to take off and maybe why she didn't want to run. cenk: i agree with you. i was a little surprised as how good their research was. a lot of it was just reading her book right? but at the same time, they had prepared a lot of stuff. here's one more on her christianty. let's watch that:
cenk: as i watched all this stuff, it actually impressed me a little bit. i was surprised at mitch mcconnells operation was that ahead of the game and that ready to attack. >> mitch mcconnell has clearly had one of the most ready campaigns we've seen in quite a while. back in 2010, harry reid's campaign sounded a lot like that, i'm willing to bet but both mcconnell's preparation in that meeting and how mcconnell handled this today show just how far ahead his campaign is in terms of being ready. he has sort of staffing levels that you wouldn't really expect until the actually year of the election in 2013. he already has that going
dropping research and opposition on people including potential primary challenges. he clearly is sort of ahead of the game and really prepared for what could be a tough reelection bid. cenk: he's awfully fast for a turtle. [ laughter ] cenk: now i want to turn to the other part of this controversy mother jones. fox news is on the attack, accusessing them of bugging without any real information. let's watch some of that. >> what about the responsibility of the magazine megan? their big comment is it is our understanding that the tape was not the product of watergate style bugging operation. shouldn't they want to know that? shouldn't they want to know if they were relying on criminal activity to publish a story in their magazine? i mean, isn't there any integrity left? is it ok to commit crimes to get stories? i don't think so. i can tell you i know roger doesn't tell anybody at the fox news channel violate the law just get the story it doesn't
matter. cenk: that's a very ironic statement by their so-called legal representative. he owns a newspaper in upstate new york and there were charges that people followed fox news security and listened in, not necessarily bugging people said how did he know some of the things that we said? i wouldn't use roger ayles' example there. >> cenk, how many conversations how many sentences can we start with shouldn't fox news have -- because that's really what you're looking at here. of course, but they're not going to defend, because what they see right here is what mitch mcconnell floated indirectly or not is this whole progress kentucky idea that people who came after his wife or started saying things that were -- that he perceived to be ethnic slurs
about his wife, now he's seeing that as part of the exact same kind of motivation going after his campaign here, going after the research he was doing on ashley judd and bugging. bugging is a totally different thing than recording. this is no the watergate planting something in the telephone or in a light bulb. it seems like this was just a reporting. cenk: kevin your credit co got a story from a source that happened to record that conversation. in kentucky, if you record one way, that's enough consent it's perfectly legal. you would run it? >> assuming that we could confirm that it wasn't faked in some way yeah, we would run it. question is whether or not this was bugged or was leaked to them. i'm assuming that's something that only david corn can really answer. he was the reporter on the story for mother jones and it's difficult to believe that it was bugging as opposed to a traditional leak. you don't typically see or six watergate, we haven't really heard of political campaigns
being bugged. cenk: it's a clever charge, isn't it? once you say. >> it is. cenk: once you say we were bugged it forces prosecutors to investigate and put reporters in a really tough position, because they don't want to reveal their sources. >> it really does. it did something that mcconnell's campaign used today to turn the story around. the story was how does -- is it ok for mitch mcconnell to talk about ashley judd's mental health. by the end of the day mitch mcconnell was able to talk about how the left was oppressing him. it was a remarkable turnaround, even though there was no hard evidence that they were bugged, it's their insistence that no one on the staff would have leaked. they had a private security team even sweep their office for bugs and that team didn't find anything. that doesn't mean it wasn't a bug. in mother jones' statement it
wasn't super clear cut. it didn't say this wasn't the product of a watergate style operation. it said as far as we know, it wasn't. cenk: if a source gives it to you, how did he get it? i understand that. thank you both so much. we appreciate it. when we come back, a really interesting story about president obama's war against whistle blowers including thomas drake, who was trying to help the country avoid waste and fraud and instead charged with the espionage act. >> it's an unholy alliance and it's clearly entering into a period where not only do we lose our constitutional rights, it's the rise of the corporate government state.
also sad. there's six cases under the espionage act under president obama, only three prior cases that resulted in indictments in the entire history of the united states of america so if your a whistle blower, watch out obama's coming to get you and apparently in the most harsh ways possible. one whistle blower was thomas drake at the national security agency. >> it's just another step since the post 9/11 you era, another step in the erosion of the u.s. constitution, and the rise of not just the national security state, but secret government executed through fiat executive rule. cenk: what happened at the nsa and why are they going so hard after the whistle blowers are the two issues. with us is the best selling
author of "spies for hire," tim great to have you on "the young turks." >> thank you so much. cenk: first let's start with the n.s.a. they are supposed to sift through all the different data, tell us what happened and why they went with the more expensive less effective one. >> well, the n.s.a. is the largest intelligence gathering organization in the world, its purpose is to intercept communications and find actionable intelligence that can be used by u.s. intelligence agencies to predict or figure out what's actually going on in place we say can't get into. they have been doing this for decades. at the turn of the century the issue became how to intercept communications going across the internet cell phone traffic emails and so on. this began to grow very rapidly
toward the late 1990s and since 2000 has grown exponentially. there was a program in the late 1990's, a group of n.s.a. scientists, including several of these whistle blowers that i wrote about came up with a system that could actually intercept and find intelligence in communication moving incredibly rapidly huge amounts of data flowing across communication lines in the united states. they found a way to break it down and program in information so they could track bad guys basically, track people that might be terrorists or planning a terrorist attack, or drug smugglers and their relationship, that kind of thing. they found a system and developed a system and were testing the system and it was called thin thread. it was developed in-house by the n.s.a. and cost about $3 million and it only had about a dozen people on staff
and it worked quite well. around 2000, the n.s.a. director michael hayden decided after talking to people within and outside the agency decided to go in a very different direction and chose a system that he basically privatized the system of analyzing n.s.a. intelligence and intercepts, and handed it over to several corporations including this 1saic, one of the largest defense contractors. that system was chosen as the n.s.a. official system and thin thread was not canceled, but it was just put on ice just before 9/11. so in the weeks leading up to 9/11 there was no system really working to intercept rapidly flowing communications across the you didn'ter net. we all know what happened on 9/11, we, you know, we missed
some intelligence. cenk: let me jump in there. in your article, you get to the point where trailblazer, the private corporation model cost in the ballpark that $1.2 billion and doesn't work. is that why they went with it, because it was going to cost $1.2 billion and if that's the case, not that it wasn't going to work, but it cost so much money, shouldn't people have been arrested for that? isn't that the kind of waste and abuse we are always talking about? >> absolutely. the figure i had was about a minimum. people estimated about $4 billion, tom drake thinks it's about double that. it could have been $7 billion or $8 billion. what happens with these defense contractors, they get these huge contracts, say they'll accomplish everything, they'll hit the moon, they'll tell the agencies they can do anything with this and they keep getting money to do it. if they're not quite there they ask for more money. after 9/11 there was enormous
amounts of dollars taxpayer dollars were thrown at the national security agency and other intelligence agencies. nobody was punished. it was outrageous. it was canceled in 2006. cenk: all right unfortunately we're out of time. i got to have you back on, because why in the world is obama going after the good guys? that's another question we've got to tackle. everybody check out his article because it's very elucidating on this matter. >> thank you. cenk: speaking of troubling now there's bills where they say you can't record animal cruelty if you do, we're going to call you a terrorist. unbelievable! we'll look at this when we return. >> the only reason this has been of interest is because the footage is so shocking. the cruelty is so revolting the san tore conditions are so appalling.
you think of how many people go to the ocean and for such different reasons. it attracts everyone but i think we're all attracted by one similar thing which is the horizon. ya know, there is nothing more peaceful than standing on the edge of the shore and looking out at that horizon. that place where blue meets blue. i'm a story teller. as a story teller i really think that adventure works to draw out people into a story. i have this long relationship with "national geographic". it's afforded me the opportunity to organize expeditions with their encouragement that have taken us by kayak literally around the world. historically a lot of people who go out on adventures go out for adventure's sake which i applaud. but this day and age i think you have to go out with a higher purpose. everywhere we went we talked to people about climate change, overfishing. all those things we've saw we've seen literally everywhere
a big part of our motivation in going out and having these adventures is to bring back stories that we can share. ya know, the tools are incredibly important. technology has changed but the goal is the same. it is to enlighten people using adventure as the trigger. on each of these adventures, at one point, i'll just be sitting on a beach, looking at that horizon line and reminding myself how lucky i am to be able to be out there and to be both learning for myself and then sharing. i know that we're not going to change the world from the seat of a kayak but if i'm able to bring those stories back and share them and i manage to change the life of one person or two or three or four then it was totally worth it.
cenk: now some farms secretly videotaped evidence of cruelty to animals. they've gotten fines and penalties. first, lets show you some undercover reporting. >> the head of the humane society said such undercover videos have been the key to tough new anti cruelty laws, like this video showing diseased cows sold for beef to consumers. >> the only reason this has been of interest is because the footage is so shocking. the cruelty is so revolting the sanitary conditions are so appalling. >> under pressure from the agriculture industry, five states have laws making it a crime to go undercover on farm properties to record videos, and many other states are considering it. cenk: now you didn't hear that last part wrong. they are not taking action
against the people who did the cruelty, they're taking action against the people exposing the cruelty. now up to a dozen states say if you do this taping, we're going to come after you. not only that, a group of business interests are pushing this saying you will be prohibited from filming or taking pictures. you must say you are from an animal invites group. violators will be placed on the terrorist registry! that's if you expose the animal cruelty! gee, who do our legislators work for? unbelievable. mark thomson is a two time emmy award winner, 35-year-old meteorologist, and environmentalist and i would call you animal activist, but that would get i arrested as a terrorist. >> isn't it something how the terrorist definition gets broadened. that's just a part of this problem.
it's magsive. cenk: what's happening here? is it first of all, the companies controlling the legislators? >> certainly. it's money buying legislation. ultimately, you'd think the consumers, if you are really acting on the part of consumers want to know more. this is where their food comes from for the most part. this is most of the country is not vegan or vegetarian, they're eating this meat or even vegetarian eating eggs and a lot of these things go on in hen houses. the truth is some pretty horrible stuff goes on regularly, but it's only the illegal stuff being exposed in these undercover videos. in the case of iowa, saying you are not going to be able to see inside now the consumer has no idea what's going on. if you leave the cruelty on the sideline and only worry about the safety of what you're involved in eating, it's really a horrible law.
cenk: i can't envision, mark, that the public says hey, you know what, i don't want to know what you do to these animals break their necks if you have to, some of the stuff is atrocious. >> it's horrifying. cenk: obviously they're not doing it to protect the public, they are doing it not to protect the public. >> you would think they would want to increase transparency. please we'll strengthen these% animal cruelty laws, put up more cameras, make it easier for you to see inside. it's a tough thing to see but you'll see there is no additional cruelty going on. instead, it's going just the opposite way. whistle blowers are being punished illegal to record even sound from any of these places. without that it will be very hard to stop it. cenk: so, mark, where's the line. we nope at slaughterhouses, you kill the animals we eat the animals. we get that. where is the line where you get into cruelty? >> well, when you see what's happened and has been exposed by
some of the -- by the way i think in 2008, there was a usda, member of the usda actually at a cattle farm, a slaughterhouse, and they were selected slaughterhouse of the year, if you will, the meat producer of the year i think is actually what it was called. two years later, undercover video showing the tremendous cruelty applied to these cows, the beating of these cows. the repeated electric shocks given to these cows, 50 and 60 times. i'm not crying just to get a cow to move down the platform. once that was seen, two years later, they closed them down. in 2008, they're the meat producer of the year, two years later closed down because of animal cruelty. that's because of undercover video. we're looking at the type of cruelty that's so in excess, anything that you could possibly conceive of or be ok with that it's no wonder they want to stop
it and yet it's so much easier just to address it, just to make the laws better and more stringent and make the whole process more transparent. cenk: bad things grow in the dark. when you keep this in the darkness, they're more likely to do the abuse because they think they can get away with it. mary mat tin is on your side. >> there's right and wrong. she did this video it's on the peta website. she said i'm a meat eater a republican, this doesn't matter, it's not a red-blue issue. we have to stop this extraordinary cruelty to animals and this is a ridiculous laws, these agriculture laws being proposed are a problem. mary matlin not only did a video, but produced a letter writing campaign and got i understand i had the legislature there to roll back