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no scandal at all. have we learned nothing. left wing and right wing party hats, they amuse me. it turns out that the scandal is much larger. terrific story. one in the "washington post" this weekend and one from the associatedded press first in the "washington post" they have four different spy programs. one is called "main way," the it captures phone met da data, and then "marina." that captures internet meta-data. then there is "nucleon," and that coptures the phone content
what you said on the phone and then "prism.," which captures the internet content which we had heard about. meaning, they have all your stuff, they could go back to it, now they're saying for the moment being if you live outside of the country like you're the russians, o we've got all your emails, every site you've ever been on. for the americans, we have that, too, but its locked away. they go on to explain: >> of course, what is the national security investigation? it's war on drugs if you smoke
pot, i'll get all your phone records. what's in the phones, the e-mails, they have it stored away. finally the associatedded press explains: so watch what you say on the phone. watch what you write in an e-mail because the government has them apparently forever. that's not big brother, i don't know what is. if you're still covering for obama, bush, the republicans or democrats, you don't know what it means to be an american. you've given away all of your rights. you've given away the great protections of the united states constitution because you're a coward or you're a team player.
oh, the terrorists, that's what a coward thinks. it's like lightening strikes. are we going to give away our freedom because of lightening strikes? and meanwhile the guy who told us some of this stuff edward snowden, he's in hong kong and causing more trouble. i think he told us information that is absolutely critically important that what our government is doing. but then he told us information that we didn't know. the information that we're hacking the chinese shh these something that they didn't need to be revealed, and now the english were tapping all the
phones e-mails etc. of the people who were visiting during the g-8 summit in the u.k. shh. that's exactly the kind of stuff you're not supposed to reveal. i think it's a bad idea to go in that direction. we're keeping it real here. now putin is not happy about that. they were together in camera, and the prime minister of great britain, and he didn't look that happen. i don't know the last time putin looked happy. that's one cranky dude. i got more on him in a second. i think he does a little eye roll too. yes, oh, this guy again. are you spying on me again? i love he's the guy complaining about spying. lindsay, moran, it's great to
have you here. let's talk about russia for a second. this seems like old school cold war stuff do we do that? should people assume that if we're holding a conference here g-8, 20, whatever it might be. should we assume that they are rooms are tapped? >> absolutely we do that. that's what we pay the nsa, the c.i.a. and all the government contractors big bucks for. that's their job, to spy on foreigners now i'm totally with you in my outrage about the warrantless and widespread surveillance of american citizens, but i don't think you can get outraged on us spying on the chinese or the russians. they do it to us, and we do it
to them. that's part of the game. >> cenk: i think that's what the nsa is for. the russian the chinese, and al-qaida too, if we can get our hands on those guys. but russia cries crocodile tears about us spying on them. could this cause problems for us because this is not the kind of stuff we admit publicly. >> i think it will cause diplomatic posturing and well, i think snowden is casting himself in an ambiguous and problematic light by including this information with the information that he's leaking. that is, you know, he was hailed as a hero by people like you and me, for revealing spying on american citizens, but this is getting close for something that he could be tried for treason for. this is spying on foreigners, this is what the nsa and c.i.a.
exist for. does he have a prison wish? i'm starting to question his motivation and feel like maybe it is as much ego driven as it is ideology in his case. >> cenk: one thing about snowden to me which was always a bit of a question mark which was done with glen greenwald on video. he said he could tap president obama's accounts if he wanted to. that doesn't seem true, does it? could a 29-year-old random guy working in a private contractor that has connection with the nsa really bug the president? >> well, one thing i'm starting to see with snowden, i think he's exceptionally bright and an i.t. geek. i wonder if part of his motivation, when you work in the
spy organization, those that are revealed are the spooky spy types, and maybe he felt superior to the people that he worked with. that may be part of his motivation for revenge. casting himself as omnipotent spy, he even referredded to himself as a spy, but he wasn't. he started out as a security guard. obviously very bright in terms of his capability, he was able to move up the ranks notwithstanding having the education and background that not many of his colleagues had. saying that he could hack into president obama's e-mail, that that is problematic. what happens when you have someone who can fabricate
incriminating information through wiretaps and through survailing e-mail. >> cenk: what he revealed about spying on americans is important. it does not make him perfect or something someone we should revere or that the rest of his actions will stand up to scrutiny. it doesn't matter. the information is what is important. i'll tell you one more story about russia. vladimir putin talking to robert kraft in 2005 taking a look at his super bowl ring. putin said can i look at it? kraft said sure. and putin took it, and he puts it in his pocket. three kgb guys come around him and they walk away. and kraft is, what happened?
and it's gone. putin and the russians are saying nonsense, we didn't take his ring. he gave it to us as a present. jasper, jayar, is this the most brazen thing you ever seen or heard a political figure do? >> of course, it's worst because murder is worst but when this happens, i want a close eye on negative things, but the way it happened is a little like out of an action movie where what do you do now? three guys circle him. what do you do now? he's stuck. i'm going to come from the point of a hater of new england patriots. robert kraft being cheated when they won a couple of super bowls, spying on people and stuff.
>> cenk: that's right. >> what goes around comes around. >> cenk: you got that point. cat per if he takes this from the rich and power guy, what does he do to the average russian. >> it's obvious that no rules apply to him. but i can't help but be amused by the story. what he did was wrong but i love how brazen he was. well i'm going to take it, ands he walks away. the white house reaches out and said, it's good for u.s.-russian relation it is you gift the ring to putin. why would he gift the ring to putin? it doesn't make sense. >> cenk: i think putin goes to the average russian and says, i take your wife. he just got divorced. i'm extrapolating here but not by much.
lee, do we still have a democracy in russia or is putin a dictator by a different name. >> speaking of russian left in the sports world. cronies of putin have stolen of $30 billion from the fund for the winter olympics in 2014 which are being held in europe. that's a lot of money. and i guess to quote a famous russian phrase. you kill one people, it's a tragedy. you kill a million that's a statistic. $30 billion, that's a much bigger tragedy. >> cenk: you steal one super bowl ring, that's a tragedy. you steal a billion, that's just a statistic. when we come back, we're not done with snowden the rest of the media hate him. and i love the irony of dick
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: what's up man we're back on "the young turks." here's the story i'm conflicted on. edward snowden, the press is ripping him apart. of course, i don't agree with that, although they are right on some of the issues here. hence why i'm conflicted. jeffrey tubin on cnn wrote for the "new yorker" that she's a grandiose narcissist who belongs in prison. he's a drop out and a military washout. >> hey, in the press aren't you supposed to encourage whistle blowers or leakers who give you information from the government. maybe their job is to protect the government. bob sheefer is on that michael
shure loves. he's set in his ways but here he ruled himself to be pro establishment. >> i like people who are willing to stand up to the government. as a reporter it's my job to do that from time to time. some of the people i admire most are in the government. men and women who led the civil rights movement, rosa parks, martin luther king jr. they are true heroes. i'mi'm not ready to put edward joe den in that category. i don't remember rosa parks and martin luther king jr. running off to hide in china. theythat's a little different than putting the nation's security at risk and running away. >> cenk: oh, edward snowden is not martin luther king jr. you win. we already knew that.
that's apples and oranges and in a different part that have commentary he knows a lot of people in government and he likes a lot of people in government. but bob, that's the problem, you know those guys too well. you think these are my buttedies. don't reveal information about them. and i think you totally lost traffic of challenging the government. so, you know theater. let's bring in the panel again casper the reverend, lee fang, he writes for "the nation" in san francisco. lee, i'm starting with you. bob shaefer guilty or not guilty. >> guilty. the biggest bias is not is a close connection to the establishment whether that's the big business
community, the government, the nsa. that's what shaefer is exhibiting here. that's the problem if you look at the corporate media cbs nbc, whatever. >> cenk: let's go to axelrod. he's at nbc now. this is a guy who was probably the closest adviser to the president. and the president joked that msmbc worked for axelrod when he was in the administration. >> i'm not going to confer hero status on a guy who is clearly not just leaking information to make a point about civil liberties, he's leaking information that is meant to damage the u.s. intelligence gathering around the world. that's really--aside from being a crime you know, it's unforgivable. >> cenk: so guys here's the
thing, right? on the one hand i can't tale shaefer and axelrod apart. it's like they merg merged. the government and the media has become one entity. and axelrod has turned into the, shh about the china and what we're doing to russia etc. >> i think axelrod makes a decent point. i don't think snowden is out there to destroy americans. i think he genuinely cares about civil liberties. but the thing about shaefer that rubs me the wrong way his argument does not make any sense at all. he makes these statements and then runs away. what is he going to do, face the bradley manning consequence? he doesn't want to face being tortured and impressed for protecting our civil liberties
and freedoms. >> cenk: it's easy for shaefer he's sitting in his office. doesn't want to run away to china. he is very comfortable. >> yes, i think he was seeing over the top rhetoric about snowden already. we're giving this guy the top status as being a whistle blower. i'm still on the ship of let's find out everything first before we have our time decision on the guy. so.
>> it takes courage. i'm not saying he should have stayed around. there is that change of a certain level. >> i understand that running away makes it seems like he's not as courageous, but considering the u.s. treatment of whistle blowers and considering the fact that he left cushy job and a hot girl girlfriend. >> cenk: if you were bradley manning, in hindsight wouldn't you runaway? he has been in prison all this time, and just barely three years later his trial has been
started, and he was in solitary confinement, which is a former of torture. maybe he should have ran away, too. let me say something about dick cheney that i need to repeat here. whether what the nsa is badded or good or constitutional nor or not is not tied in whether with we like snowden or not. the reason why the media has tied in to snowden maybe after we do character assassination. >> cenk: it's not all about snowden. >> they talk about how he was a high school dropout. it creates a click in our head when they mention his name. >> cenk: right, it's to say he's
a bad guy. stupid, whatever it means. speaking of stupid, i have to go to dick cheney. yeah i said stupid. here he is, oh, here i am. no, we have this set. go, let's watch. >> i think he's a traitor i think it's one of the worst occasions in my memory of someone with access to classified information doing enormous damage to the national security interest of the united states. >> cenk: under that definition wouldn't dick cheney be a traitor? didn't he and scooter libby leak the name of valerie plame. and didn't dick cheney and george bush fall out over this because dick cheney's feelings were so hurt about scoot area libby. how does a traitor get off talking about traitors? >> those are all great points.
it's heart to trust cheney, he came out about torture and said it saved us from so many attacks. but it turned out to be wrong. >> cenk: he says that. now this is the graphic. he said in a q and a session snowden said: i like that. do we have to say anything more? changey's a dick. and the minute cheney said something about the bad guy, oh wait a minute, i have to rethink. he must be a good guy. the final, is it a big deal when
cheney says something? >> the one thing i was curious about hearing was what his offenses were. we knew he was going to defend the program any way. i was curious how he would get to that point but still not say i like what the obama administration is doing because he can't say that either even though it's exactly what he would like for them to do. >> cenk: yes, did he. in the rest of the supervisor, cheney i totally agree on the nsa spying, but i hate obama it's never good enough for cheney. when we come back, the face and freedom conference. the outrageous things that conservatives said.
[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: we're back on "the young turks." over the weekend it's the faith and freedom conference led by discreated right wing lunatics. and the rest showed up. marco rubio rand paul, grover norquist, and of course, sarah palin. they call this conference the road to majority. good luck with that. first here is sarah palin. >> it's turned orwellian here. before 1984, it's leading from the behind, following and the other day the white house testifying before congress, bragging they used the least untruthful statements.
from where i come from that's called a lie. yes, officials lied, and the government spied and in benghazi the government lied and americans died. >> cenk: i don't know how much she would hate it if we said that bush lied going to iraq. and can anyone understand what she's saying? you know, she just goes on and on, i hate obama, and i rhymed, and i hated him that way and in 1984. small side note, is that the largest beehive you ever have seen on her head? just a small side note. enlighten me, sarah. >> i say until we know what we're doing until we have a command center chief who knows what he's doing these radical
islamic countries keep disrespecting human rights, both sides are flattering each other and i say until we have someone who knows what they're doing, i say let allah sort it out. >> cenk: two things about that, again, indescribable. who can understand what she's saying. but i did get the last line, let allah sort it out. people died in syria let allah sort it out. they are dead, who cares. this is faith and freedom conference. really holy folks there. ana kasparian, jayar jackson lee fang, lee, what do we make of these folks? they have this conference, "road to majority," and then they
bring in these clowns. if you're a progressive should you be happy about this? sarah palin is back at fox news, it almost helps our cause? >> it certainly daughters because a lot of these--it certainly does because a lot of these folks are yokers. jokers. they take corporations to pay them big money then go out and support these causes. they're running the same 'ol game and he's back in the spotlight. this group of social conservatives, they're fighting to bring the pro-life movement back in the g.o.p. make that the center stage issue and then you have sarah palin saying ghoulish things mocking this.
>> cenk: lee i agree. sarah palin or louie gohmer. >> louie gohmert because he really believes it. sarah palin keeps saying the most outrageous things when she speaks to the audience. so yes. >> cenk: you nailed it. i don't know what she means. >> i don't think she understands what she's saying to be completely honest with you. even when she's saying orwellian, the fact that she has to reference "1984", it's like she's saying it like proof she knows what she's talking about.
>> cenk: you know why? somebody told her an hour before the speech. >> orwellian blah-blah "1984". >> cenk: just assembleing this. nice try. jr is right. by the way any time g.o.p. guys get together it's like hayley from "sixth sense." i see dumb people. >> our administration won't make one phone call to say our men and women in an embassy in lebanon.
but they'll sure monitor phone calls of a million americans. that bothers me. >> cenk: it gives me great concern is that the governor of texas knows nothing absolutely nothing. it's libya you fool. even if you don't know the difference between libya and lebanon, you're going to do a speech about it! look it up! how could all the handlers of the governor of texas how could they not correct this imbecile as a man. >> that's why we had mitt romney as adom knee last year. rick perry can't even give a speech that is pre-written. he's a walking, i don't know, he didn't perform very well with his speech, and his political career is going nowhere. >> he doesn't know the
difference between libya and lebanon. >> we had a president who didn't know what sovereignty meant. >> cenk: i know, for bush that's a tough word. but you don't know that benghazi is not in lebanon? >> i was looking up to see the audience's reaction. you would think that someone would yell out libya but there was a pause. instead of going libya he got the clap instead. why can't you just correct the guy? there is this need to follow long no matter how ridiculous the statement is. maybe people clapped because they didn't realize what he just said? we'll just go with it. >> cenk: i have to squeeze in more of this stuff. now we'll have a show off stand off, face off. again bush versus sarah palin
jeb bush on latinos. >> the productivity of this country are dependent onioning people who are equipped to work hard, and the rest of the world has the exact same problems. immigrant make far more businesses than native americans over the last few years. and latinos are more fertile and they bring a younger population. immigrants create an engine of economic prosperity. >> cenk: that sound pretty good. he talks about how they're fertile. that's racy and fun, but of course not well received. this guy likes latinos what's wrong with him. here is sarah palin to make fun of him. >> let's not kid ourselves by rebuilding our majority, by the way, but passing pandering and rewarding lawbreakers by re
renaming the amnesty bill. and this think it's racy to compare one group of people fertileity over another. this is coming from someone who is fertile herself. >> what? >> cenk: there is no punch line except sarah palin. >> the first thing she said, yeah, so to give him any kind of credit? they're against us. it's a fight every time. >> cenk: look, democrats drive me crazy be but these guys are their best friends, what are you going to do, make rick perry the president? >> that's our problem with the
[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] we're back on current we're back on "the young turks." casper has fascinating stories for us. >> juanita gibson is the reason why brian banks, a star football player, was sent to prison for five years wrongfully for rape. she had claimed that he had raped her. and because of that he spent the five years in prison, and he
lost a scholarship to usc to be a star football player. now we have a video on this. abc explains more of what happened, and i'll fill you in even more. >> gibson previously claimed that banks raped her while they were both students. banks then a football standout committed to play at usc instead spend years behind bars. gibson sued the district and won $750,000. now the district wants its money back. >> there are a lot of stuff we could do with that, scholarships for high school kids. >> she had sued the school directdistrict that had for this rape that never occurred. but now should she face criminal charge or be locked away
especially because of the fact that brian banks spent five years in prison for a crime he did not commit. >> cenk: we all agree that she's terrible and i'm glad they're trying to get the money back, and he should get some of it, too, but my guess that money is gone by now. that money has daylight written all over it. >> i think about for every time there is a big settlement for a singular person, now they have to return $2.2 million, yes that can go straight to our schools. do you they she sat on it, invested it, tripled her money? it doesn't make any sense. for punitive reasons just to punish you for what you've done. it's not coming back. you're not getting it back. >> cenk: they can garnish her wages but they'll get $20 a month. >> this story angers me for so
many reasons. this is five years that he'll never get back. he did just find with the atlantic falcons. i hope he makes a significant amount of money and has a great life. but i hate the fact that she's a perfect example of women who do lie about rape. i don't know what her motivation was, but you're basically belittling all the actual rapes that occur. now our justice system will take a step back and question, is she being serious? the steubenville, ohio case, that was such an egregious case, and now can you blame the justice system for questioning every woman. >> cenk: if you think this will make prosecutors prosecuting
rape yes you're right. lee, let me ask you should we prosecute her? you worry that that will stop people from recan'ting like she did, and if there are stories of rape people may be nervous if they can't prove it will they put them in jail, etc., etc. in theory. there is a law like that. >> sure, she should be prosecuted absolutely. i have not followed this closely but i share a lot of same concerns that we discussed. there is a rape culture in america, particularly in the sports arena colleges, and high schools, this case will certainly obscure and make it more difficult for women to speak up on serious abuses. it's a very difficult subject. >> cenk: i want to take a quick break.
>> cenk: all right, we're back on "the young turks." we're not done with you yet. casper go. >> back in the 180s, stephen phillips was wrong which convicted. after serving 24 years in prison it turns out the dna evidence proved that he was innocence. now at the time of the area, he was married. he had a child with his wife tracy, and his wife knew that he was innocent, and for the first thee years she did everything that she could to get him out. she would send him money visit him. but after three years she stopped visiting him. ten years after he got locked
away they decided to divorce. now that he has been let go the state has given him a settlement of $6 million. now his wife is cutting back looking for a cut of the money. let's take a look at what the cbs news had to say about this. >> stephen phillips received $6.2 million in cash, roughly $80,000 for every year. the state paid the back child support he would have owed and he received a monthly payment. now his former wife is claiming that she is owed a portion of that statement. >> originally she sued him for $4 million, however she received a tiny chunk only $150,000. however, stephen phillips is arguing she doesn't deserve any of that money and he's asking for the judge to reverse that. he's repealing that decision. should she receive any of ma money?
>> cenk: when you hear of $6 million and his lump sum payment was $1.2 million, and i found it interesting that she sued him for $4 million. ex-wives, you know what i'm saying. >> do you have an ex-wife? >> cenk: this is brother-to-brother, you know what i'm saying. >> i hear you i guess. >> cenk: all right seriously should she get any money? >> i don't know the particulars again, of their relationship, but having your husband wrongfully sent to prison and it is a traumatic experience. obviously she's attempting to get as much as possible, and that's probably inappropriate. >> she held him down for a few years. give her a little bit of money. he's coming away with 1.2 the
hump sum i think it false falls in. the original $4 million is above and beyond. but when you shoot high you hope to get a little lower. again, as lee was saying who knows the details of the relationships, but she held him down, come on. >> i feel that the state owes her some money. i don't know what that number is. but keep in mind they were happily married. they started a business together. once he got locked away wrongfully convicted, that business fell apart and her livelihood is put in jeopardy because of the way the case played out. she deserves some sort of compensation. >> cenk: it's over, casper is right. the ruling on this ways the state should give her money not the guy who got the money in the first place. next. >> all right, very fun story about the discovery channel. the discovery channel is trying out a new reality show.
it's called "naked and afraid." that sounds very exciting. >> cenk: now that you put it that way it does found fun. >> they talked about this a little bit. >> in what is the most real reality show yet the discovery channel's new reality show "naked and afraid." >> in a land of venomous snakes. god, we're so screwed. >> one man and one woman will be left stranded for 21 days with nothing but their survival skills. they must hunt, scavenge for everything they eat drink and wear. >> these two people were put on an island naked. they're strangers. how are you going to react on to the other person on this island with you. >> cenk: i'm amuseed that you
you're watching this. next season, who is the one who can murder the most people. >> here's why i'm fine with it. you have people who want to be part of the reality show. they're consenting. they're not being forced to participant. it's trashy tv. >> you put naked on anything and it puts it a whole new level on everything. it's a man and a woman snaked. >> when i first heard of the show i thought of right wing christians on their wedding night. >> cenk: now that would be a reality show. lee, discovery channel guilty or not guilty. >> guilty, but i will say this is a step up from a lot of the silly dating reality shows.
this forces people to think creatively and survive but at the end of the day it's a stupid show. >> cenk: indeed. it makes you think of sex they're naked, afraid, what's going to happen. eventually it's going to be who has sex the quickest. >> it will evolve into that. >> we put 20 people on the island. which guy gets laid more. >> the guy stand in front. >> stop with these ideas. >> that's pretty good. >> let's make make a pilot. >> cenk: yeah, i'm not sure it will survive on this network. does anything survive on this network? >> oooh. >> cenk: give me miss utah. >> miss utah was asked about a wealth inequality and income inequality and the research pew study that shows households of
women being the primary bread winner. >> i think we can relate this back to education and how we are continuing to try to strife to p ... figure out how to create jobs, that's the problem. and especially the men are seen as the leadership, and they need to figure out how to create education better so that we can solve this problem. >> oooh. >> cenk: we're out of time. i'll adjudicate on my own. obviously guilty and i pardon her. i felt bad. she's not equipped for that. they throw her into that, that's like asking me mauve and magenta what is the color of the season. >> why do they ask those questions.
>> cenk: i don't know. lee fang, casper, jayar, check them out on the young turks.com. we'll come back with one more brilliant point. and you weren't covered. oh, and your car is a time machine. [ beeping ] ♪ ♪ would you go back to when you got that less than amazing policy and go with esurance instead? well, they do have tools like coverage counselor to help you choose the coverage that fits you. it's like insurance from the future. actually, more like insurance for the modern world.
>> cenk: we're not done yet. that's what current said. oh miss usa pageant, miss alabama is there. she also has something interesting to say. this is about nsa spying. is she in favor of it. >> i think in this society if we go to the movies or to the mall that we have to worry about our safety. i would rather someone track my messages and feel safe wherever i go rather than that they're encroaching on our privacy. >> i think she's ten times more guilty that miss utah, if you are going to be miss america you can't be unamerican like that. yes, i don't care about the
constitution. >> greed. >> cenk: "viewpoint" is incomes with john fugelsang. bye-bye! [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: good evening nsa whistle blower edward snowden is still talking and promiseing to release more information. what do you do about spying when it's made legal? we'll talk about what is really going on and what is next. and the iranian people have gone to the polls and replaced their powerless figure head right wing president with a right wing cleric president. is the new boss the same as the old boss and do you remember that cheney mail of how obama is actually a muslim. he's actually a muslim with a