tv The Young Turks With Cenk Uygur Current July 16, 2013 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
♪ theme ♪ cenk: welcome to "the young turks," everybody. hey, everybody! we're going to do a fun show four guys today. we're going to start with -- i know i'm in a goofy mood. we're going to start with the serious story the george zimmerman case, shocking, we're going to talk about that again. if you haven't heard the. >> b37 tapes yet buckle up. they're about to come your way. here's some fun drams in the beginning.
was the. >> racist? we will decide in just a couple of minutes. with my panel, ana kasparian kaspar the friendly host. >> hey. >> also from the legendary theyoungturk.com jayar jackson and of course, laura. >> some of the protests continue, some took place in charleston, other in boston, kansas, los angeles. people are still upset with the verdict in the george zimmerman case, understandably so, we were upset here at "the young turks," but some of the jurors have decided to break their silent and talk to the press. abc news has more on that.
let's take a look. >> all right those are some of the protests. >> overnight a woman who said she was b37, one of the six still anonymous female jurors describing those tense hours in the jury room. >> i want people to know that we put everything into everything to get this verdict. we didn't just go in there and say we're going to come in here and just do guilty or not guilty. we thought about it for hours and cried over it afterwards. >> the jurors were sequestered for 12 days, away from their families. the. >> who appeared in shadow said their first vote on zimmerman's guilt or in sense was split. >> we had three not guiles, one second degree murder and two manslaughters. >> interesting point. she refers to zimmerman at george and trayvon as that boy.
ultimately they claimed he shot in self defense. >> there is no right or wrong even if he did reach for the gun, it doesn't make any difference. >> how so? >> well, because george had a right to protect himself at that point. >> you believe that george zimmerman really felt his life was in danger. >> i do, i really do. >> b37 was one of the five white jurors also known that she had trouble understanding rachel uponteal. >> i don't think it's really racial. i think its every day life, the type of life that they live and how they're living in the environment that they're living in. >> wow. >> wow. yeah, so that's just how they live. when she was asked to describe trayvon martin by his lawyer earlier, she said "he was a boy of color."
now look, she doesn't seem particularly old but older generation uses different terminology, and i understand that right? i've seen my parents generation say colored person and laura is at the naacp event and it is of course colored persons. that's not something that you see often in florida at this point in this generation, so it's not definitive. if you watch the whole interview, lauren, let me start with you on this. i got the sense not that she was racist, although jayar mitt degrees agree in a second, but she had trouble connecting with trayvon's point of view and no trouble at all connecting with george's point of view. >> absolutely. i mean, i think most racist adults don't know that they're racists. if you're a white american, you have a choice to interact with
people of color. i think we forget that a lot of people who matter how liberal or loving don't often interact with communities of people who don't look like them. even if you don't have the one wreck with we sit black friend, been to their home or met their parents or know their culture or history, the naacp convention has been about especially in the light of the zimmerman verdict this isn't the first time this has happened. you've got emmitt till. i wasn't surprised by this verdict. this is america and no matter what you say everything is inherently racial here, it's ban part of our nation since the beginning. cenk: that's the really interesting fart, right? i think what one side of america views as racist or at the very least racial, the other side not only doesn't see that it way
not only are deeply offended when you say that, right but it seems like i don't know, again we can agree or disagree here, i got the sense that she doesn't think of it that way at all it doesn't connect to her in that way. if you told her that she was coming at it from a white perspective and didn't understand black people, she'd say are you crazy? i like black people. >> my mind goes back to the picture of trayvon martin lying dead on the grass. i keep looking at it over and over again regardless of how photographic it is. i'm trying to figure what it is that he was wearing or the way he looks that makes him suspicious. he looks like a teenager. if he walked through my neighborhood there isn't anything like oh i got to follow him around, i've got to find myself suspicion of him. the only thing was that he was
black and that's why george zimmerman followed him. >> jayar can go in a second, but her assumptions. i think that she totally agreed with zimmer man's assumptions. she saw it withle, and you can see it in the whole hour long interview. she goes what can george do? and, you know, the guy, of course he has to follow him. no, he didn't. there were a lot of things he could have done. all of those things are based on you have to young black kid in a hoodie in your neighborhood, of course you're going to follow him and confront him. that's not an of course. to her -- to me, i get the sense not just with her but so many supporting zimmerman it's as if he didn't live there, but he did. that was his father's house. he'd been there for years. his parents were divorced, but for years he had been coming to
that house. no matter how much you are a part of a community you're not part of the community. >> there's a difference between relation and race it, prejudices has preconceived ideas it's obvious she's prejudice. racist is you believe there's another group or race that you believe you are superior to. the fact that she connected with george to homey george versus that boy and then they in talking about racial, that they just live that way. how is this they? let's explain the reason why black people don't like the term they and you people. you're lumping and entire group of people together based on a thought you have. maybe from something you saw on t.v. a lot of times full thought
processes about what they saw on t.v. you're not really that black. i've heard that term, you're not like other black people. i thought all black people were the same. all of us have heard that. i know, i know lauren has heard that. >> your otherring us, and saying you're somehow different. i'm reading this great book called "influence" saying we're more likely to be persuaded by people we relate to, look like us or fit our age demographic or our religious background. i think that's exactly what happened here. i don't think that it makes that woman a racist, but it does bring up the idea and concept that most people are not able to relate to anyone who is different from them. i'm saying that, talking about the majority of white people being able to relate to people of color when they don't ever
interact with people of color on a consistent and a social basis. >> there's one aspect to the potential. say there were a known three black people on that jury, black guy, black woman and someone in between. maybe a lot of disagreements or arguments, a large portion would say it's because they're black. with white people, weren't they associating to anybody else, the black kid. we're wrong it's one of the most frustrating things when these conversations come up. >> i think it's prosecutorial next that they didn't have a black person on the jury. when they go to deliberate,. >> b37 said the three of us immediate acquittal, one thought
manslaughter. it's supposed to be a jury of your pierce. we didn't get that. i was naive. i thought well no, it's ok, so there isn't a black person, but those women, they have kids, too. what i didn't quite grasp honestly until i saw and heard. >> b37 was no, it's a black kid. she didn't connect to him at all. she connected to zimmerman. i don't know her situation. i know shed married don't know if she's got kids. she thought george zimmerman should go back and be a night watchman again. she said no, it's ok, george has learned his lesson. george has learned his lesson?% he shot a kid and killed him.
every. >> was george, poor george poor george. no, poor trayvon he's the one with the bullet hole in his chest and she never connects to him. that's why it made all the difference. i think that for a lot of americans, they don't want that to be true. i didn't even want that to be true. they feel really uncomfortable saying that apparently some white people cannot connect to black people. i'm sure the refers reverse is true, too. >> she couldn't connect with rachel genteal rachel went on piers morgan about how she felt after she heard that. >> make those comments. >> what do you feel about what the. >> said about you? >> angry. upset.
the closing when it stayed close and you try to see the kind of person i am. you can see the kind of person i am. the whole stand i never cussed out don even during our little back -- since march, i've been dealing with don weston. >> you actually saw him here. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> what did that make you feel to see him again? >> i'm holding it back. the only reason i have my say about what don is, my parents taught me better. cenk: we're going to talk about rachel and the reaction to her alleges the reaction from the
cenk: all right back on "the young turks." we've got a great panel for you guys here, of course ana kasparian, jayar jackson and laura brown jarvis. before we go to the naacp convention i want to go back to rachel genteal. she's the witness that talked to him as he was chased down. since english was not he will low subsequent, the. >> said they discounted what she said to some degree. whether what she is saying is true or untrue i go not related to her grammar, because that was lost on b37 and a lot of the jurors. the second part is, by the way that's another reason to have black people on the jury.
so if -- i mean, so frustrating. i'm frustrated, honestly with america, that we haven't gotten past it. i know we haven't gotten past racism obviously but that woman, the fact that she couldn't empathize at all is stunning to me. i know it shouldn't be stun, but it is, and to hear it from her mouth was stunning. genteal talked about the "n" word but said it ends with an a she said if it ends with an ker you have bad intend. rush limbaugh on air says i can say it now. now we get to the question of are we allowed to use the "n" word or not. in the younger generation, white, black latino,ation,
everybody is listening to rap music and everybody is using the word, is the word ending with an a. permissible or impermissible. >> it's who you're talking to. i've heard, you know, talking about the younger generation, i guess i'm officially out of it. i hear it among multiple races that's the thing. i've heard it said to a black kid, from i don't know, a non-black friend and he didn't care, because he knows the guy. so it's not a matter of what it sounds like. they know who they're talking to they know what they're saying to each other. it's a very basic concept and rush limbaugh that's to confuse the understanding of. people can have their conversations with their friends and call them what the hell they want to call them, but when you know somebody who is after you
obviously dislikes you obviously thinks your something else, you know what the term means. it's very cut and dry. i don't know why the question keeps needing to be asked. >> when rush limb ba uses it, he doesn't mean with an a in the end, he means an e-r. >> why do you want to use this word. black people have so little and we can't even have the "n" word. when i was a child, it was an internal thing this was not a public thing, it was something that was very much a part of the community and it wasn't said in mag listen. knowing the history behind the word why is it so important for people who aren't of color to use it knowing how vitriolic it is? >> that's because rush wants to be vitriolic. >> there are many in the black
community who don't like it being used. >> very true. there was a huge movement where we were trying to bury it, put it in the ground, because it has a horrible history for us. it lives on. it's one of those things. you're not going to tell this entire population say it and everyone can't say it. therefore, maybe some black folks won't say it, because they're afraid that people who actually hate them are going to use it against them and therefore you should get them to stop. this is one group that continues to have to change. only a small segment of our population needs to change while another continues to beat it down. >> we all understand the concept of like you can say how crazy and newer attic and horrible your mother is but if the kid across the treat comes over and says bad things about your mom you're going to punch him in the
nose. it's the exact same concept. there are things we say to people we are familiar with, and don't use that jargon outside of those situations. that's the exact same thing here. jayar pointed out this is not a word that across the board african-americans are using. a lot of old african-americans don't like it, that stigma is still there. i don't see why anyone would want to use it and especially use it knowing that it's hurtful. cenk: we're all family here, all from difference races and we play, we say everything to each other, jesus is our long time director on the on line show and works on this show behind the scenes. i've kidded with him for 12 straight years, he comes up to me and half the time, he's like muhammed what's up. he's allowed to say that because he's one of my best
friends. rush limbaugh, i don't know you. you don't get things like that to us. if he says muhammed or the n. word, he doesn't mean the same thing jesus or jayar does. we know what you're talking about rush and you certainly don't know us and can't say that to us. on what the naacp was saying. >> at the convention, obviously the george zimmerman case was a topic of discussion. benjamin crubbs spoke to people at the convention about what happened during the case. he was the lawyer for the martin family. let's hear what he had to say. >> so it stands up for justice for trayvon martin, what we're really doing is helping america live up to its creed that everybody is equal and that we all deserve equal justice.
you have to help, because at the end of the day, it is about equal justice or all of america. let's make america great. >> i like that he talked about equal justice especially when it comes to the way the law is applied to certain people, when it comes to stand your ground. i know stand your ground wasn't the defense ultimately used in the george zimmerman case, he used classic self defense. when you look at stand your ground cases and justifiable homicide why is it considered justifiable in the majority of% the cases where a white person shoots a black person, but if a white person shoots a white person or black person shoots a white person, it isn't. cenk: i want to ask lauren about this. what we're hearing from fox news is benjamin crump, al sharpton,
jesse jackson these are hustlers and pitching, and that they're race baiting and seek writly led by the new black panther party. these are direct quotes from fox news channel. what's the reaction of that audience? >> i'm sure it would be very negative. i saw an interview with benjamin crump talking about he and his partners trying to figure out if they wanted to take the case. they did it knowing that there would be no profit for them. al sharpton has been doing this type of civil rights work for years, and if people do not go out and add vote on behalf of the voice list, then what? there's a saying that the master's tools cannot dismantle the master's house.
when the justice system was created, african-americans were enslaved. this system was not created to protect us. even when talking about the jury and the jury selection look at the number of registered voters and people of color. this is the type of thing that the naacp is doing registering everyone, people of color but everyone to vote so that we can have people of color on juries and they're getting pushed back even for doing that. cenk: right. as you were speaking, lauren, i got an interesting thought. i realized that the reason they attacked those civil rights leaders is because they don't want anybody to speak for you. >> they don't. >> they figure if we can quiet the most vocal voices, then they'll have no vase at all. >> i think that's true. it's also very easy to vilify
black men in the media. turn on your local news at night, it's a shot of a guy six feet tall, dark skin, it's easy to characterize that person as the bad guy. i just told the story of in my old high school, me and my brother having the exact same teachers and he being treated differently because he was a male. i guess because i'm a girl, they see me as more accessible. this is unfair. these people have put their lives on the line on behalf of civil rights and continue to do so. jesse jackson and al sharpton are old men still traveling the country and speaking out for what's right. where he need more people, nobody wants to loose things these days. it's a very controversial position to go out there and stand up for civil rights. the naacp did a beautiful treatment to medgar evers.
he died standing up for what he believed in and so many of these people have taken insults. we've all seen eyes on the prize, where congressman john lewis is like cracked in the head. people really went out there and gave everything they had some gave all. it's easy to vilify the person that's doing the right thing and doing the thing that you would never have the courage to do. cenk: thank you lauren, that was great. when we come back, we're going to go to a lighter topic michele bachmann. she's made up new facts. we'll disprove that he is, that will be fun. there's also a lighter said when she talks about president obama's magic wand. >> republicans won't get patted on the back. what? and nobody's giving them a spanking yet. >> what? >> and the way we spank the president is we do it through the checkbook. >> what?
shies back! we've got political stories. we're going to start with michele bachmann. >> she loves to prove that she has absolutely no idea how government works which blows my mind, because she ran for president of the united states. she was giving an interview and talking about the senate passed comprehensive immigration reform bill. >> i think the president even by executive order could again wave his magic wand before 2014 and say now all of the new legal americans are going to have voting rights. why do i say that? he did it in 2012. do you remember no anyone who was here as a latina under aiming 30, he said you get to vote. what? at that point, they will change election law and it will be almost impossible to ever see a republican majority again. do we get how important this is? i'm not crying wolf here.
he has a perpetual magic wand and nobody's giving him a spanking yet and taking it out of his hand. that's what congress needs to do, give the president a major wake up call. the way we spank the president is we do it through the checkbooks we're the ones who say no. >> michelle, you dirty dirty girl. talking about spanking the president. it's so inappropriate. cenk: a couple things here. number one, michele bachmann also speaks in innuendo that i'm not sure she's aware of consciously. >> you know why? there's some speculation that marcus bachmann is not straight, maybe it's some pent up sexuality, coming out in weird ways. cenk: i don't know if you remember remember when she talked about muslims and the government convinced that they had infiltrated. she kept talking about oh, there's a deep penetration of muslims in our hallways. i was like all right michelle
bring it down. now she's like i want to take president obama's magic wand right out of his hand and put it in my hand. he's got a magic stick, but the spanking stuff was even more sexual. i want to spank him he's such a bad, bad naughty boy. >> it's to reduce the president to a child. that's so, i mean, that's kind of indicative of what's part of what's wrong with our politics. you're talking about the president of the united states of america like he's an errant little boy and that's a problem. cenk: that was the second point i was going to get to. i love that you said that, lauren. when you get beyond the goofy stuff and sexual innuendo and how she can't help herself with these sexual analogies is that the underlying thing is what i got out of that, maybe you didn't, but that's why we talk about these things and what was screaming out of that 52 seconds of tape to me was boy he's a
boy, and he needs to be punished and disciplined and specified and he thinks everything is magical, and he's got his, you know magical friends and believes in the easter bunny and santa claus we need to straighten this boy out. there's a third point which ana brings out she doesn't know how the american government works. >> in that video, she was referencing the fact that obama gave temporary amnesty to young people that are undocumented. basically, if these young people were smuggled into the country when they didn't have any decision what would happen in their lives, they would get temporary amnesty. did he do that for political reasons? absolutely. did he give them the right to vote? absolutely not. she made that up. like obama is going to snap his fingers and wave his magic wand. by the way what's up with
republicans and obsess with their magic wants. cenk: can i do bush? i wish a -- magic wand. who would guess? but i don't have the magic wand. >> apparently, he's using it to grant amnesty to everyone, all of a sudden. cenk: even if you put a pathway to citizenship it takes a decade. the president can't say you're all now american citizens. if he could do that, why wouldn't he do that term if it means permanent democratic victories, like what michelle obama said. >> was it this difficult for people to come through ellis island? i love the saying. why is it impossible for us to figure out how to welcome people to our shores when it's
something we've always done. human beings are not indigenous to north america. all of us came by some sort of way. i feel this is almost unamerican to kind of insinuate that we should not have good and expedient immigration practices because that is what's made our nation so rich throughout its history. cenk: its funny that you use the word rich. there was a republican proposal to only allow rich immigrants into the country. if you go to the statue of liberty, it says give me your wretched give me your poor. instead, jesus only loved rich people and we only need rich people in this country when it's the exact opposite. another political thing, listen cheney is back. apparently the republicans think we haven't gone right wing enough. she's going to challenge a fellow republican in wyoming
mike. nsy, and he's totally right wing. she's like no i'm going to the right of them. he doesn't like to torture people as much as i do. the republicans have learned nothing, but will probably win in wyoming. >> a cheney in wyoming that's a shoo in. this is now for her power move to happen. in order to go further what's 16 momsynonymous with the word cheney? tort you are. >> the wyoming senators, you remember alice simpson the cranky dude, how he bragged about his grandfather shot in the face like apparently if you're going to be a republican
politician you have to shoot someone in the face. >> and brag about it. >> don't encourage liz. she just might do it. when we come back, oh, look at this! who's ahead in new york? is it spencer? by the way here's the fun fact about this. who are the two groups in new york that have put spitzer ahead? you might be shocked by one of the answers. come back, we'll tell you. >> if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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the polls indicate eliot spitzer is ahead. his favorability among respondents, 53% had favorable opinions 32% unfavorable. 12% haven't heard enough, three refused to answer. anthony wiener, 42% said that they had a favorable opinion of him, 36% unfavorable, 18% haven't heard enough and 3% refused. cenk: i think they both should be back in politics, fought for the right things overall. not because i know him but he stood up for the little guy and was one of the very, very, very rare politicians in america who took on the power establishments
and the banks, et cetera. 5332 favorability is really good for someone who was involved in a "sex scandal." i would have thought maybe his favorability was not as good, but i trust him think he'll do a good job in office, although i might not agree with him, you know what i'm saying, but no, the margin is a much better context. it's liberal narc city, but it's much better than president obama's numbers. >> absolutely true. i'm wondering if it's because people are starting to realize that sexual misconduct is something that, you know, just because you're a politician doesn't mean you're immune from anything like that. i think most people have some sexual misconduct in their relationships, infidelity. some might empathize with the politicians, at least that's my hypothesis. cenk: i have a long theory on
that. so who are you going to vote for for city comptroller the race that eliot spitzer is in, leading over scott stringer. that's a 15 point lead, very hard to make up. obviously spitzer has the better name recognition, et cetera, stringer has got to be thinking don't ask me, i'm hurt, dog. remember he was trailing, people said he's not going to be able to win already winning in the polls 25 for wiener, christine quinn previously leading is down 22%. you see the rest. i feel terrible for saul albanese. when asked would you vote for eliot spitzer 43% said they
would vote for spitzer 34% for wiener. >> it was amazing let's watch the clutch where it's addressed. >> you'd think that women would not like the idea of a guy using a prostitute, which spitzer did and yet women somehow or another apparently have forgiven him. don't ask me why. i can do political questions but psychological, i don't know. cenk: you know, i love that. you know why? that's old school political way of thinking. oh yes a sex scandal you're done, women are going to hate you, i know politics, right? that's all the pundits talk about, right? no, you don't.
yes, as ana said, we've all had sexual impropriety at some point in our live. women are basing him on his record. i know stop the presses. anytime people actually base politicians on their substance the old school poster's like wow! i thought they only reacted based on emotion and sex and stuff like that. they actually care that he took on power and are willing to vote for him? yes, they are. that brings us to the racial break down, ana. >> yes. both eliot spitzer and anthony wiener have a lot of support among the black community. a look at spitzer's numbers 61% support eliot spitzer, 26% got stringer, 2% wouldn't vote and 10% don't know. cenk: huge lead. huge, his lead powered by african-americans in new york city which is awesome. >> when it comes to -- i think i
can explain this. they both have got amazing name recognition and prostitutes vote. >> damn. cenk: damn. so anthony wiener is up among african-americans, that is a bigger lead than among whites. right? this goes to my overall theory, women, black, new york city residents overall. i think they view wiener less so but certainly eliot spitzer as oh, yeah, that's the guy who fought for the little guy. in the back of their mind, you know, in the back of their mind, that they would think like that's the guy who stand up for the banks and nobody ever stands up for us. they think i'm going for spitzer. >> that was going to be my point, it's because we're not by the way the overplay of the
school impropriety card is mundane. all have done it. it's the only ones who have been caught. we're not freaked out anymore that they had i didn't mean proper sex. now it's i remember he stood up for us. even as the income gaps were widening, we have a small percentage at the top beating the hell out out of everyone else, they see the guy beating them down and the guy helping them out. they are looking to make everything equal like we thought america is. cenk: i'm encouraged by our democracy. if you give them a choice, so often a republican will go we've got to go with the corporate guy. if you give a progressive choice especially in blue states like new york and certainly new york city, they're like yeah, we'd love to vote for
the progressive, if you gave us one. now eliot spitzer anthony wiener in the race, you've got progressives. when we come back, let's switch to a social story. you heard about the actor who passed away? well, we have a cause of death now. we're going to talk about that in relationship to celebrity culture and appreciating life, when we come back.
ana's got one more story. >> corey monteith, an actor from glee was found dead in vancouver. he died of a drug overdose. g.m.a. has more. >> for millions of fans of the hit t.v. show glee, he was the high school student and football star who made singing and performing into something cool. ♪ ♪ >> saturday in downtown vancouver, canada, the person behind the character 31-year-old corey monteith was found unresponsive in his motel room after he missed his check out time, a bright young talent suddenly gone. >> were alcohol and drugs a problem? >> yeah, absolutely. >> how old were you? >> i was about 12, actually. >> so he suffered from drug and alcohol abuse for quite some
time, started smoking marv and drinking at the age of 13. he struggled with the fact that his parents divorced at the age of seven. at 19, he went into rehab and earlier this year again. it was only a few months since he had gotten out of rehab. unfortunately he fell off the wagon, leading to his death. the coroner's office indicates that he died of heroin and alcohol abuse. you see people who are tremendously successful and you realize that drug addiction does not discriminate. it doesn't matter how much you make how successful you are people fall victim to this disease, and it's really sad. cenk: so, i have a very couple of possibly controversial and slightly weird comments to take. so you have that to look forward to. i feel like people who are really successful owe the rest
of us a debt to some degree, i don't mean paying more taxes, et cetera the debt of appreciating what you have. 99.99% of the world is never going to have the things that he had, and i feel terrible about it, but there are so many people who are alive and don't appreciate what they have and want more and more and it's never enough. if you've got it, good, i feel terrific for you but for christ's sake at least enjoy it instead of ryaning your life with heroin and challenge abuse. >> with his drug addiction it started way before, you know, he was famous for successful. he was on drugs before he was an actor, and as a result, like that addiction stayed with him for the rest of his life, even after he became successful. it really is a disease. once you have an addictive
personality, it's one of the most difficult things to kick a drug habit. cenk: i hear you. he started so young and his parents were divorced and he was going through all that. it's hard for anybody who started at the age of 12. what do they know? you know, still i feel like what a great opportunity to live a great great life, and it goes to show you how powerful these drugs are. here's another thing jayar always when we do these stories we've been doing them a long time. i always think like how could you possibly take heroin? everybody, you know, alcohol marv e., molly whatever, right? heroin? who thinks it's going to end well? >> here's the thick with he read after he dropped out of high school, a cab driver, wal-mart greeter when he had his break, he was probably
appreciative of everything. everything becomes normal after you've lived it long enough. the things that you never exercised, the things you never dealt with in your life, it stays. you get to however much money you make, the bigger house, the car, the friends it becomes normal. you forget what you used to not have. even when it's there, if you never lost it, that's still hanging around. you never go i can take care of it, i have more money it's not going to affect me, he was sometime in the result of whatever was boring him. cenk: i'm not done with the controversial points. so often, you see actors that have got addiction problems. one, i'm amazed they can do their job. look, we do three hours of programming every day, one here, two on line. i don't know how you can possibly do it high or drunk or concentrate, et cetera. i feel like they're taking a spot away from someone who is
working really hard and isn't on heroin. is that wrong to say? couldn't they find an actor that was doing all the right things and that was talented enough, et cetera so often roles go to people who are totally missed up on that drugs. >> there's a lot of people messed up on drugs. >> it's like musicians. at this point it's ridiculous, but you think of the best musicians out there, amy winehouse, fiona apple. all of them have their demons. corey monteith starred in a movie about someone who was battling with drug addition. that's why he was cast in the movie, because he had struggled with those demons. cenk: i feel terrible. he started at a young age. we feel terrible for his family, too. when we come back, one final point for you guys.