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tv   Interview - A world without nuclear weapons is not a dream  Deutsche Welle  October 15, 2017 10:15pm-10:31pm CEST

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a decade later the organization has been awarded the nobel peace prize when you heard the news did you think someone was pulling your leg shots tonight. i never thought we could win the nobel peace prize. but luckily a few people within our organization prepared for the event and they reserved a location here in berlin for a news conference for just in case. i made fun of them very can make fun of me with the head of the announcement i stayed home i didn't even want to iron my shirt but then i tuned into the live stream and after the first two words international campaign i just hollered jumped up and hugged my roommate and i. saw it still sinking in you helped found i can's german chapter and studied political science what drives you to invest so much energy into the campaign for a world without nuclear weapons. and i first encountered the
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topic when i was sixteen of course by chance. peace activists organized a student trip to the united nations in vienna for a conference on the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. my school sponsored me and i was able to go along. i've been fascinated by the issue ever since what made a huge impression on me was meeting survivors of hiroshima and nagasaki who experienced the disaster at a young age when the atomic bombs exploded there in one nine hundred forty five. it was extremely sobering to realize that these eyewitnesses wouldn't be around much longer to tell their story. with the eye and knowing it of the. fifteen at sandwich and. instead of
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a world without nuclear weapons we're living in one where it's looking increasingly likely that they might actually be used kim jong un and donald trump are trading threats of nuclear annihilation how close are we took a test of. someone with looking. at the situation is indeed more critical and dangerous than it's been since the cold war. what's happening between trump and kim jong un the way tensions are being ratcheted up reminds me of the cuban missile crisis. if both sides remain so unyielding and given that neither side appears to be rational or reasonable and that applies as much to trump as to kim jong un then you do see the danger that this escalation will continue. they'll be more rocket launches more nuclear tests and then at some point someone will use an atomic bomb. your organization icann has been
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a trailblazer in the drive for a comprehensive u.n. treaty banning nuclear weapons one hundred twenty two countries have signed what is the treaties goal. as a theme of the treaty is goal is to lay a new foundation for the international regulation of nuclear weapons on the basis of international law. the goal is to ban and stigmatize nuclear arms and to send a clear signal that atomic weapons are weapons of mass destruction and that there is a dreadful and inhumane as other weapons of mass destruction whether biological or chemical there's always been a certain ambiguity about atomic weapons a sense that it's ok for some parties to have them but not ok for others. but it's exactly the nuclear powers and their allies who are the ones who don't want to ratify the treaty so what is the treaty worth. we think they
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will sign the treaty of course it'll still take a while some will sign the treaty sooner than others i think. but to some voluntarily renouncing nuclear weapons is a sign of weakness. you know there's nothing week about voluntarily renouncing nuclear weapons we've seen that many countries don't believe in this notion that atomic weapons are a sign of power and might they voluntarily renounce nuclear weapons not because other states are saying you're not allowed to have these weapons because you're just some developing country that can't be trusted you know these countries are saying we don't want these weapons because they're inhumane and should be banned because it would be a crime against humanity to use them and that's why using them is out of the question even threatening the use of nuclear weapons is out of the question. but a signature does not guarantee compliance we see that right now with the nuclear deal with iran which president trump would evidently like to rip to shreds what
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would happen then. that would be utterly irresponsible what donald trump is saying about the agreement is total nonsense it's really incredible because iran has been complying with the deal and the agreement was a triumph of diplomacy. and trump won't achieve a thing if he goes ahead and pulls out. because iran will go ahead and build a nuclear bomb and that will trigger a chain reaction iran's neighbors will want a nuclear bomb. the next in line is saudi arabia and it'll go on and on until in a few years time we'll have a world in which there are not nine nuclear powers like today but maybe twenty or even thirty it'll be a much more unstable and dangerous world. and if there is an incident it could cost the lives of many millions of people and on mentioning talk of but surely you would
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miss that the security guaranteed by an agreement is virtually nil if you're dealing with two highly strung and malevolent parties one hundred activity resting . on the international law is only as strong as the people who enforce it it's not the case that the treaty now adopted by the un the treaty on the program bishan of nuclear weapons is purely symbolic it includes verification mechanisms and control mechanisms which the case of iran shows are already functioning relatively well. it's easier to verify nuclear weapons than it is other weapons of mass destruction biological or chemical weapons. and the fact that iran didn't succeed in its nuclear program shows that these mechanisms can be affective. and if trump weren't so crazy and terminates this agreement because he's an egomaniac because it was negotiated by president obama and he has something against his predecessor then
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he's putting that verification process at risk. but let's come back to the purpose nuclear weapons serve nuclear powers have to date never attacked each other the aim of deterrence is to prevent these weapons from being used and that's worked so far hasn't it. we've been lucky so far but we've had some close calls. there were many situations also during the cold war when nuclear weapons were almost deployed. i remember one example russian t.v. officer stanislav petroff who died recently and was monitoring early warning satellites over the us when the alarms went off. it looked like a nuclear first strike by the americans. there were immediate calls for
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a retaliatory attack. but petroff breached protocol and didn't report to his superiors he said let's wait for a second verification and that probably saved our lives and. yes the risks are high but what is the alternative there is also the view that nuclear deterrence ensured peace in europe for seventy two years with the exception of the balkan conflict is that not a valid argument i mean. that's like upping the ante in poker you can do that for a while and it'll be ok but at some point something will go wrong wrong horribly. the german government takes a similar line it says it supports your cause and commitment and congratulated you on your nobel peace prize when it also says sorry but u.s. nuclear weapons will remain stationed in germany for the talents does not make you feel like you're being dismissed as dreamers. of course it's nice that they
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congratulated us but we do want to see the german government sign this treaty and we're calling on the incoming government that's currently in coalition talks to mandate the removal of nuclear weapons from german soil i think this would send the right signal in these tense times it's the right signal to send them in the ongoing escalation to check the arms race that's taking place around the globe i want the three parties currently in coalition talks to take this step. but you are realistic enough to sense that they might not take it. if they don't and they could at least say we might take this step in two or three years time i think if this government won't sign the treaty the one after it well. let's return to goals for the dream in one thousand nine hundred five the nobel peace prize went to international physicians for the prevention of nuclear war. in
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two thousand and nine barack obama won the accolade for his vision of a nuclear weapons free world but since then the number of nuclear states hasn't dropped but risen are you ultimately fighting a lost cause. no it's not a lost cause it's not hopeless the worldwide tally of nuclear warheads at the height of the cold war was seventy thousand today there are only fifteen thousand that has a lot to do with the many people who took to the streets and the nuclear weapons protests it has a lot to do with the commitment of organizations like the i p p n w our most important partner there's been resistance to nuclear weapons for as long as these weapons have existed and there's a great study by american research anina tannenwald on the nuclear to boo she shows that publicly stigmatizing nuclear weapons is one reason why atomic warfare has today not been used in the senate and of its ones and. interview.
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to conclude the interview we always ask interviewees to complete three sentences. to me becoming a nobel prize laureate to twenty seven is. crazy. my tweet addressed to donald trump and conjunction would say pull ourselves together and be sensible. and a world without nuclear weapons isn't a dream because. we'll make it happen that's what we're working towards and what will achieve. them and we wish you the best of luck thank you for your time. and your own x. hines. ryan team the rich diversity of son teddy m. in eastern france. such elegance these soap box cars are really impressive.
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