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tv   The Day - News in Review  Deutsche Welle  November 2, 2017 11:02pm-11:31pm CET

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i have to say it. the donald trump could play ways pressure very different kind of pressures the bashing is one sort of plea blackmail. and this this game worse in north korea or with. china see could also regard it as a beauty shop a huge stage of pressuring china and then are you saying you know the words they don't trust donald trump no not at all but donald trump doesn't trust either doesn't trust. i don't think so and under his. thumb trump said in the interview that i referred to just now that he has the best relationship with xi jinping of any president president would you say that is true and what accounts for this radical change in tone over the course
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adama trying to present i mean honestly between his tweets and his statements this is showmanship i mean that it means absolutely nothing i think she didn't ping we often in the west into the chinese have a plan and everything i do think she didn't think will run circles around this man intellectually so does. do they all i don't think anyone interpret i mean reads any takes it takes any place any currency and donald trump saying we're good friends now after this meeting. so it i think they just disregard that and get down to a long term interest power calculations both angela merkel and she jinping i think do it that way so good on vaca. aside from the overall notion of trust. what kind of relationship do you think we might see evolve between these two leaders and also these two countries certainly one of trump's big issues
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has been to trade and particularly china. steele since the election campaign he has talked about possibly putting chinese punitive duties on chinese steel so far it hasn't happened but you think the last word has really been spoken no the last word has not been spoken because this is one of the topics that donald trump really seems to care about the unfairness of the all the free trade agreements that the united states has signed in the past they have none with china but there is this huge trade deficit and so this will remain a topic i'm sure but there are topics that sort of overshadow or take priority over this also i mean the u.s. at the moment has its hands full to renegotiate nafta so this will probably keep it busy but they already introduced punitive. customs on
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aluminum foil or something like that so the metals are starting but they're not really you know it's not a trade war yet so this will remain structurally so and also in terms of strategic thinking the strategic ambition of the side i think this is where the major mistrust between the united states and china comes from that china doesn't trust the mission of the united states where it's always this idea of the u.s. containing or trying to contain china and its rise and on the hand the u.s. doesn't trust the ambition that china has in the asia pacific region speaking of the asia pacific region being one of the ways that the u.s. had intended to try to contain china was the transpacific trade and investment agreement t p p donald trump's first act as president was to get out of that
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agreement did he in essence hand the rest of asia to china by doing so i don't think the issue is so plain. we can study china's response upon. try fitting. many people suppose that china would step in in the beauty of other trade allies aligns with sure it doesn't happen yet china is not intended apparently to do that instead china. despite all the declaration of protecting our free trade china and. truce use something else china to suit for example you use euro just one sided west from and without any. fair play of for the protection of your west
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many china shut down the only market for european enterprises it is not just the policy of xi jinping but she's jumping continues and i think. it is quite obvious that the united staes in some term just follow china's example donald trump says america first china it doesn't say that but try and x. in that sense china first why not. well actually the chinese ambassador to the u.s. said if the u.s. says america come first and we need to protect ourselves from the trade deficit it's like looking in the mirror so what do we just said this reflected on the chinese side as well and in fact. said to us a little bit earlier that certainly donald trump it or that that china is not going to be looking to play
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a values based leadership role but that's hardly what donald trump is looking for either his approach to foreign policy is explicitly transactional so what would you say he will be looking for from g.'s in ping in this meeting in china in terms of getting a good deal well first i just wanted to briefly also respond to your previous question about these trade deals because to me that illustrates i mean that there are bigger issues north korea the south china sea that will get you at the here if the his response to these two to trade deals is to me an illustration of the his intellectual failure and pep perhaps of the entire group around him to understand the issue of. china's rise in america's relative decline because in the trade transpacific free trade deal he had an opportunity of all the pacific regions with america but without china to tie them together at the same time he had an opportunity to do the same thing with the transatlantic free trade area to bind the
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traditional west closer together and he said out of the protectionist impulse totally misguided no to both allowing china he could have contained china just in that that context quite well allowing china to arise in taking america out of it requires forcing all these other countries third countries to look for leadership elsewhere so just in that. stop there for now but i just wanted to get that in and just briefly what would you say donald trump will be looking for from jason ping in this meeting i think he's interested in anything at all both with germany which has a larger trade surplus towards america than with china he looks for anything that allows him to declare victory in that issue they're exploiting us but they are selling more to us than we sell to them a rhetorical point mainly because he's not going to succeed and he's going to look he's going to really concentrate on north korea getting the china to solve this problem and prosequi threat dropping more threats that if they don't he will solve
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the problem which would not be a solution at all and i think the south china sea may come up and i doubt the taiwan will come up because i consider that stable so we talked about what the two leaders might have in common that transactional approach but another thing of course is their willingness and desire to lay claim to power he misses no opportunity to reinforce the notion of china's superpower status and he has thrown to the wind the former self imposed restraint of chinese leaders. a show of strength by china to assert dominance in asia and the world the conflict over islands and marine rights in the south china sea has been smoldering for years with both china and neighboring states laying claim that has also repeatedly sparked disputes with the u.s. . another showdown is with north korea over nuclear weapons trump expects she to send stronger signals reigning in north korean leader kim jong il and china is also
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expanding economically investing worldwide the country is staking its claim in africa in the contest over valuable natural resources. china no longer wants to be the west's factory it wants to drive its own innovations in addition it's the largest creditor of the u.s. is china on its way to becoming the world's new number one superpower. so certainly donald trump will be looking to give some kind of message on north korea he has repeatedly said he wants to see china exercise more influence over north korea can it and will it. i'm not sure china has done too little steps. ahead of this visit of the trop in beijing the one is china has joined more
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international sanctions including of shutting up or enterprises of those career in china and the other is china tried to to. paved the way to set up a new relationship to south career which is to to reduce detentions and saw and if donald trump comes to beijing being by have said to two of the my friend i've done or what i can or what we're can you demand more what i have done would you expect any of that to make any difference in north korea's behavior no will go to in fact i speak to north korea as well if you like but at us also like about to ask about the south china sea it is rated by many experts as one of the most volatile geo political hot spots in the world could we see it become in fact the side of hot conflict well conflict. it can always spiral out of control
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but i think so far we see that all sides try to sort of keep it you know within limits actually you could have expected more after the ruling of the hague but because there was a government change in the philippines it may be possible to we open the door for a better relationship between the foley pins and china or north korea i think that china will not do more cannot do more probably because their biggest priority is that north korea stays on the map they don't want an implosion of north korea they don't want the millions of refugees that come with that and they don't want a reunited korean peninsula with american troops at the chinese border that's very priority so on the south china sea i think it will depend on what donald trump will say i will stations of his trip i mean he will go also to vietnam to the
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apec summit and it is room of that there will be a speech about open and free oceans so there will be some announcement of the concerning the indo-pacific and for the chinese the word in the pacific alone is a no go where they talk of the pacific ocean and the indian ocean but not of both as a connected thing so i think there will be some counter movements led by japan australia india and the united states and so i don't see that the facts on the ground will change and i ask lord is it possible that if donald trump doesn't get at least the appearance of stronger chinese action on north korea that he could turn sour some people say one of the reasons he's been making nice is that he has kept on hoping china. right exercise and leverage they are and if this
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relationship were to go sour either because of the south china sea or because of north korea what consequences with that have well i'm sort of smirking because you asked me if it's possible that donald trump could unexpectedly turn sour and i think i mean that's the whole thing about donald trump is the unpredictable and sour is not even the word he just look at his tweets at two a.m. he that the scary thing is or by the way it's ironic that taiwan which was for many decades the big issue really piers stable given that on one side and on the other side we have these much more dangerous conflicts and what makes them so dangerous is that in my opinion a china is the only rational actor of all the ones involved of the three major ones involved because north korea well is probably maybe rational but is is difficult and now donald trump he may just be faking. to be being mad or he may he may be it and i think it's completely unpredictable the chinese side of it was good you
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described it very well i think with donald trump at the at the helm on the other side it's become totally unpredictable and i think. that could blow up in the south china sea i think it is inevitable that long sooner or later we will in that chinese what they consider a chinese pond the rest of the world must cannot back down and say these these are international waters you cannot build on your islands permanent aircraft carriers so that will lead to conflict and what kind of conflict and what kind of intentions do you think we will see from china in regard to the south china sea if we look at the party congress g. ming she is he said very strongly china will defend its interests and china has been investing heavily in cutting edge military technology would you say china will not back down when it comes to the south china sea and could we then in fact see a conflict or. have virtually taking the word out of my mouth i think the strongest
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of message show she did last night to congress is to make china's army at the top of the wall not just china's economy but china's army with the short time to. you know still miss the way to so hot conflict yes or no yes yes yes i suppose even the military. ok song closing words thank you very much for being with us and thanks to all of you out there for tuning in see you soon.
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