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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Armen Ashotyan  Deutsche Welle  May 9, 2018 7:30pm-8:01pm CEST

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agreed. but an assassin to. return. to the displaced people still. is real seventy years may twelfth on t.w. all broadcast times online. a month is a long time these days in armenian politics long enough for the last president to finish his term in office and take most of his considerable powers to the prime minister's office long enough crowd some protesters to gather and force him out and now the man who led those protests has taken his place as well. my guest this week here in your advantage is our man. vice president of the republican party that's ruled for the last ten years when he and his colleagues now accept defeat or will
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they make trouble for the new leaders. welcome. thank you for a pleasure to meet your party's been in power for so many years how did you fail so spectacularly to understand how unpopular you'd all become nice question very provocative and nice question i like the way is there a nice answer here i'm going to be as frank as i will try to be always you know. the phenomena of army and revolutionary movement should be investigated trying started i think for a long time because it was really very interesting to follow the people to try. but all you had to do was look at the opinion polls didn't you. i have my own explanation maybe it's too to early. make the final conclusions but as far as i
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understand the processes. the phenomena is quite common and general in twenty first century post-industrial world we should. believe or we i mean politicians we should believe are properly what we are going to do and what we are going which would show that you didn't according to a survey last year by the caucasus barometer sixty five percent of our means either completely distrusted political parties here or leaned towards distrusting them another another poll said only a quarter of the population was satisfied with the level of democracy that's quite an indictment of your heart the only real you are real the plane but even the level of democracy wasn't in compliance with the european standards or the the fresh whole lanter european political family we could do it i think even you could do what they wanted to the european political family you have the sense of them yet you've had in their greenlit it would be huge if we did we did so on several levels
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let me come back later just i will answer the question you pose for the very beginning of. this phenomenon is quite the general when you follow the political developments in your countries in germany for example look we took it out of my sources so it's not about you or you mean press me by your for impatience but let me let me finish please. as a general moment is that the politicians and the population in all countries. are divided beat. by by is a gap i think the level of in confidence the level of the tea. the level of impatience he's quite common in general mr churchill i think but in european countries there is a more stable democratic institutions it was very clear about the mistrust for deep and miscommunications on behalf of political the light led to the raising of the
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throw parties in all countries in your country as well in france you need there are one thing germany in armenia where is a democratic institutions but not so strong. it came to another manifestation all right mr i think we should concede there but it was really anti establishment movement you know you are to a for me you know but if i could just say my question is your view out of all these events of the last few weeks is that there are signs of democracy the president said standing down for instance you said this was the action of a national figure a strong and patchy arctic person keeping armenia safe from sharks pieces of wisdom exerting all of us go after them have a choice did he he was forced out of office i think it's not a very honest opinion he should treat the decision of politicians like weeds you would put them on the corner next time what we want you know to mean are we i said republican party or for me we want to try. to short of the population for the
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people but we finally heard her voice as it was very important roseanne to show it to this already maybe a million excuse me on the street i really needed your president the resignation of the president was a real act of non while us policy he would try to follow up for many years and the second we. you know the security is always prevailing for armenians in armenia the security phenomena for the people living during four thousand years hearing very unstable and volatile the region undergone many wars and invasions it's question number one and who didn't want to put at risk the question of for me a security as a state well so you can for you know stories of what you're going to say and it that way especially you can spin it that scares me to me but the events tell
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a difference no events just something a different story of the events just coming to prove that the logic behind the decision of republican party leadership is the same. population the people are for me needs they want another way to go out we are ready to create an environment for that let's just take a look at the same timeline doesn't make sense to say over the last few days and the security issues so people's opinion and security prevailing this just take a look i think let's just take on the very. nice way of considering because the syrians like hugh try to summarize some opponents opinion i guess let's just listen back at some of the event like over the last few days april sixteenth your president. was nominated for the prime minister's position he accepted it and in doing so he broke a promise that he had made in twenty fourteen specifically he wouldn't try to hold
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on to power as prime minister or speaker he broke that promise so your party that doesn't keep its promises and let's let's concede that you know such emotional way as you propose actually way it's like most things you want if you want you can go or alone sleaziest years if not if you want to hear more opinion if you want to. respect the pluralism if you want to respect the freedom of expression different. sounds like to me. so first we explain that time are a political decision the main reason standing behind of his decision to nominate her socks on as. prime minister as a candidate for the prime minister was a security issue on nagorno-karabakh conflict negotiations because he was considered as the only man who is burning institutional memory in mind and being for patriotic on the part of his deliberation war in early nineteenth and end of
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the eighties oh could promote armenian national interest in peace negotiations in the second. according to the constitutional mechanism the ruling party won elections in two thousand and seventeen he. has his right to nominate any candidate so this is a constitution which is so much. respected by all democratic countries and they do hope that their meaning is not the next up he still he still broke his promise and when they pulled the seventeenth when he took the job the number of protesters in the streets kept on rising and when you decided to try and discourage the protest by having the police roughed up and detained some of the activists tens of thousands of people who came onto the slopes a very honestly this revolution was at the company by the violence so much so for not so much but there was violence you can't avoid any kind of clashes if you have
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chance of people on one side of the movement and you have a falls on people on the other side police force them on the international communities was worried i was worried they would you as a restaurant the rights of the dozen it at that time we go to congratulations for your a commission of. head of european commission mr juncker european council president mr thought just to remind you the organization for security and cooperation in europe warned over the reported instances of the. proportionate use of force by armenian which we also have also to. keep in mind that trial had also the storming of the stage buildings state institutional buildings of the state of public radio. or so you should probably be very frank to concede there was a situation in a very open minded mr show to prove the twenty second. was clinging to power the demonstrations had risen the last thing on his mind on that
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day the twenty second was actually standing down he had discussions with the opposition leader passion which he broke off after just a few minutes accusing him of issuing ultimatums and blackmailing the legitimate or thirty miles away as a blackmailing tolerance policy is still going calling armenia after the war try who by you or by the way asked have you found any every just that it's going by these kind of intolerance and blackmailing is not promoting democracy in armenia because despite the movement has the followers of supporters the rights of the freedom of expression for the opponents and for the people who are thinking in other ways should be preserved and guaranteed but all the under did not under then you have the leader of your league or of the opposition a risk to excuse me he was arrested for literally four hours with the force of those for democracy you defrost it it's only for some very small for this but you
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know the rest is in violation of his parliamentary he was detained for several hours and suffer just very minor as an extra thirty for the next acting prime minister mr john went to deliberate that just to remind you so the question of the democracy is not only is a question of the majority. but also the question of the protecting the rights of the people who are thinking you know another way if you violate it passion you know parliamentary immunity by detaining him it's not right. that's what he said or what their positions he's far from his stipulation just here here's a recent assessment about developments it was touched up very was no special sitting for the parliament i was discussing they ignore ization i was a mr pushing us parliamentary status it's not true and then untrue and then on april the twenty came the sudden change of moving from your new prime minister i
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got it wrong he said and mr passion was released just like that from one day to the next from the twenty second to the twenty third who whispered in his ear that night and told him the game was over who was very nice which also if you want to cling to your position to the pastor or would you can continue till people late in this party was clinging to power for all those days i think overnight coming back it was just it was a meeting between a former prime minister a leader of a position we are from germany and you forward for six months or so in negotiations to forming your coalition have you faced this kind of negotiations your life's three how many journalists were covering the negotiations between ms merkel beef free democrats or social democrats or how many. we're talking about what
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goes on in the i mean let's not let's get to i'm going to try to i will try to that's because of the interview you agreed to answer questions on i mean exactly but i want to compare as a situation we have at least through the european public school culture because our media wants to become more democratic country one more european by essence so we can think left european experience you can say that you could have around of political negotiations just in front of the camera having a live stream because it's impossible you can have statements in front of the camera you can have a live stream when you are delivering a press conference but let me let me just i should just after all these years yes you have you built up an enormous network of patronage with the an elite that this still feasting off the massive corruption that your party embedded too many earlier too many vested interests too many people with too much to lose these people are going to start very very shoaling this area in society the way you've. come if
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you allow me to come back to the first question you pose of why it happens for sure we had for trying to have had the background of the problems not solved on fixed finally i mean corruption you could ration level of poverty but there are many and in this is something indicative swer not so bad if you compare we've you're getting worse if you're if not true this is a new report by the freedom house says your corruption rating is drop if you compare the situation in europe mean you know we've so called associated pantries like ukraine georgia and moldova in all fields army incentives were quite toy were quite high even in comparison with the countries who are european only associated already so despite we had many challenges on the new government will continue to face these challenges so the problem is that should you. problems exist thinking armenian politics will remain until the new government should face the expectations
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or raise the expectations of the people and i do want them to succeed because otherwise it will be a not a failure on to another vicious circle for i mean your political life according to freedom you have contributed massively to this corruption they said because you've solidified systemic corruption they accuse your party of consolidating power over the executive legislative and judicial branches and say you weren't prepared to act against high level your research in other words can i just finish the question i let you finish the answer in other words you let the powerful get away with abusing the system that's the view of freedom and freedom house before my respect for longer months from national organizations after parliamentary elections in two thousand and seventeen we got quite positive statements from going to vision of security and cooperation in europe parliamentary assembly from european parliament
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for the council of europe parliaments or somewhere about the recent poll lecture us so please if you refer to any kind of source of information in this case very specific transnational anju or. at the same time as a quotations from his internationally recognized political organizations responsible for the election up there well they said we have corruption in armenia and if you are a should have been a serious vote by as well. i want to remind you of the main idea of that all final statement after parliamentary elections we hand finally despite for the problems during the voting the political will of the armenian people has been reflected during the voting for as a result of this war released find exactly freedom or said last year that there were widespread i recall of major violations in your twenty's era dangerous elections which you say were. great but you say you could continue the photographs
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and i never said it was great not a subject i said the people of corruption miss that i should just i know you'd like to clean up your record but one of your party representatives nothing very damn just expressways so not just them it corruption happens to be one of your policy take a part of the responsibility for one of your party representatives a lady called her mean that. was actually quoted on the subject of vote buying just before those twenty seventeen elections she was giving you the green light there's a fantastic quote she said anyone who wants to give electoral bribes is just doing charity whoever wants to give intellectual bribe let them give it to ever wants to take in the electoral bribe let them take it i'm quite surprised but if you're talking about another problem over your party if you are talking about the world buying it cetera please consider the records of that time statements something absurd nations voted for former republican party of four million were accused and
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actions like this and finally for end of the question does that make you go crazy because other person we're just going to mind the games that make it ok not to talk just for remind us of final statement that the political will of four million people has been expressed as the final results of the vote freedom house reported on employees really. in their way so well and and other human rights organizations as well can i give you an example exactly it reported on employees being openly pressured in their place of work to vote for your party example they gave over stuff meeting in the major supermarket group in which employees were ordered to secure votes for the company's owner who just happened to be a member of your party and they were threatened with dismissal if they didn't secure those pows so the conclusion is that your party has been acting like bullies to try and get votes you're finished do you deny that you know who. don't deny the facts but they existed with dumb denies evidence but we don't agree with the news
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in pa you're still growing but there's no simple star sébastien let me also you are saying patient you were part of the most patient but may come back to the us next time and next time no i do hope their new government will be a. saint juan so we will have no problems you know. that's that's why we want to save your cards ok i don't want your party to vote for that especially like they did let me let's me consider what you post in your previous question so. if we you want really to understand the political process you know you should take into account so no such city. endeavor to have a holistic picture you pump takes a fad son's assessment that you want to cite and say about if it was you know easy way of spending it was rational to you that's an easy way of trying to gain your way out of a disorder of the situation room in your new florida case where not legitimate why
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european union signed you comprehensive in as a partnership agreement before me and president saracens i doubt that you would improve back was when he was when it was november november but just last year six months of good labor not true not true i just mean a very shrewd move this in the sense of duration it's not true because we have no election soft or you can say that there is a hole because they were hoping that you would improve after the agreement had been exactly. what had happened after that from november what we did eat but what was the mistake or you were allowed on to power as long as you could when it was apparent to people no longer wanted you that did anybody believe that these mass mobilization will happen nobody. no they did not find you know where they say nobody except he called pushing on and he'd speak he's in your circle maybe. it's not the right way to say no. irony
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face that you know but everything was bad and you know to me you know you had many problems on this revolution was irrevocable nobody believed that even in its in his political bloke ok mr push enough so it's not even that international media promise of very beginning was saying but such kind of the relevance you know i mean you were quite unexpected mr i should say mr so but it did happen it happened a kind of revolution did which is been very closely watched by your closest ally russia you saw how the kremlin forced what they see as this fear of influence in ukraine and crimea are you worried that the same thing could happen to you here would not just say it will never put the pair of us with ukraine craney any other countries only think about this by the way quite common in our medium political
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field mr pushing young also share this position with the russia should remain are sorted to partner please find a petition or teams saying read from the parliamentary where are the limits of russia has set for you where are the limits russia never put the limits if you are feeling think about any kind of limits please asking the government why the position of mr pushing and has been so drastically changed in six months six months when he says he was a main reporter for our magazine i mean you're an exit from the ration economic union proposals he has a parliament in the committee of the foreign affairs by the way where i'm cherry so and what has happened during six months of mr pushing has so dramatically changed his whole position what are the reasons behind so you're listening to those afraid of. why we should be afraid of russia don't treat don't mean you know when you when
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you will. look at what happens and this happens so often to opponents friend first grader frankly speaking we are more afraid from turkey and this is historical memory in terms of the two military bases in your country right now if you has russia has two military bases in just sort of a here for creation chart here has implemented the genocide against them here armenia and armenia as a country. territory don't forget about that if you look at the geography but if you want to frighten armenians by russia if somebody wants to believe it's strange because we have turkey next to us and none of european countries were able to protect the public before the media up to now is a blockade implemented by turkey from the militaristically president they are gone tried to quit you'll find a new reference but any european leaders was successful or open enough to choose are the governing he's military in he's i don't know to take it all the way out
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into this case because you want to support one or the wrong on the other time was the condo board taking in mind the armenian genocide you conquer voice the other security otherwise to head back and talk a bit but i just know that it's a present future it's present the future it's a presence in this that let's talk about divides. are you going to assist the new government are you going to admit that your party has failed and are you going to help constructively the new one to make progress to battle against corruption the battle against vote buying all the things that you promised to do very well and that that did not true we would beat with and you can't avoid reporting of the progress and not mean you know the system you can't avoid that so we stipulated very clearly that we had two criteria or supporting a new government formation and prime minister election. end of civil disobedience
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it happened as a moment. a second enough signature for four pounds of fresh fold necessary for the nomination mr pushing and did it so i think that the republican party or for me was seized as election of the new prime minister because the army is a situation where it's better to have any prime minister and any government haven't at all so big it's very clear that republican party or for me as a should experience knowledge instead is of quite institutionalized and strong by the way we kept our unity we kept our unity by voting for against for the first stage of the shore to our opponents that a republican party for meanest quite united and quite strong to be a one was a major state called the storming of political life we've we've run out of town i'm
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