tv Conflict Zone - Guest Mevlut Cavusoglu Deutsche Welle August 1, 2018 7:30pm-8:00pm CEST
reverse culture i. think you realize how strange artificial. to like i. said the forest. is not w. . turkey is not an easy ally for the western manage viciously insulting if it doesn't get its way it alternates between pressing hard for membership and pretending it no longer needs it my guest here in the german city of dust will go off is the turkish foreign minister met lute travel scholer other differences between turkey and the e.u. becoming impossible to reconcile.
never to travel shallow welcomes conflicts on thank you to recognize these comments naziism is still widespread in the west the netherlands are not remnants and fascists now those are the capital of fascism tulips were sent to holland from turkey during the time of the ottomans it seems that the tulips have not made the prime minister and racist politicians in the netherlands real men well comments from you and your president do you see any reason why the e.u. should deal with you as a candidate member if you're going to insult them like this while last year when the netherlands didn't want to allow us to meet the turkish people in the netherlands there was a tension and the story was very high and it was coming from both sides and i didn't start that. and when the want to think when you end it what they call you when the prime minister of the netherlands. told me that i can go
to netherlands to see the tulips but i cannot see the turkish people how can you define that which we stand that which democratic seats that country reached their rules nobody can decide where there is another sovereignty sovereignty no it is not it is not it is it when when when the when there is a case such cases you can criticize any country when there is this isn't going to susan this is vicious it is a lousy a vicious it is vicious it is no it is not you know that you this is how you do your people know this is diplomacy your hairstyle is it you have your own you have your own understanding of democracy and then you. while the democratic stand that you said it is so and so how can you try to teach democracy to turkey then who gives you the right that if you have if you think that you have the right to criticize turkey for this and that you should also accept
that i can criticize any country then they while a democratic standards you have to do it you have done more damage to your relations with europe because two months no i did the european commission reported by law to relationship with several e.u. member states not deteriorated at times offensive and unacceptable rhetoric you mean one example this is what they say two months ago just as what the european union that what they were european countries and what they were european union say is right and whatever you say wrong i'll tell you what it is it this is this is your preselecting about second class this is this is called you second class you don't have to say directly but this is received this from the very the from the point that you are how you are treating turkey and turkish people. and are you i have been our low being treated their exercise their right to tell you whether you can give a speech which no would have security problem how about the rhythm of us around.
freedom of speech and you are trying to see me less is of this is this is your double standard is no it is not my levels are the reasons i will stand it you are you are complaining about a lack of democracy if you are absolutely the double standard of the europe and the rest unfortunately at this moment which i will surely you are complaining about a lack of democracy in europe at the same time as the united nations is telling you that you have violated the rights of hundreds of human rights of hundreds of thousands of people in your own country no that is not so so this is a thought chrissy i'm a grand scale is not hypocrisy it is your hypocrisy and for sure the united nations is a hypocrite is a you know we face the terrible attempted coup and then i had to take the measures my security secretary or my people is important more more important than your comments and your understanding you wouldn't want to understand what happened in
turkey and many countries in the us support of the plotters now many countries in the us actually giving different type of status asylum to all these plotters including the former military officials why don't why didn't you would support the democracy in turkey when we faced this military coup so should i sit and stay there until they come back and they took over they took through all the democratically elected government and democrat there is to destroy the democratic institutions in turkey so they look like you are showing is your lie and i mean what was i saying later latest ideal theory would it because german foreign minister foreign ministers have been working with me and i have been working with them i had been normalizing my the turkish way she is with us ria because the new foreign minister has to try charlotte don't know country let me know i am letting you are a big but no no i'm not i'm trying to ask you some cause you are not yet you are not letting the speak you asked the question after my first sentence you cop then
you make me. no comment then i mean put the question let me answer and you have to respect you don't even have respect to me and you don't have plenty of respect no i'm just trying to get an answer to a question is not the way to make the interview you said ask the question make your comment and wait until i give the answer this is how we do the interview if you think that now you are trying to foreign minister late in the foreign minister of turkey like this this is not the way and i'm not trying to humiliate you said what you have been trying to ask you are in such a long ago that a question here is a question is a question that put the question last july yeah foreign minister zygmunt gabrielle of germany complained about your imprisonment of the dual national journalist danny as usual and he said your president was trying to muzzle every critical voice so mr other one hit back telling him he should know his limits who are you to talk to the
president of turkey he said how old are you. do you expect european governments to barrel down and flatter your programs or well when we criticized the german authorities and we get also a similar similar comments and they have been also insulting me from the time and its victorious high unfortunately you see the statements coming from such statements come from both sides this is why i later on i worked with the same foreign minister dig my recovery or to normalize the relations i visited him at his house he offered me a key and thirty's did and we work together to normalize the relations and we have made a lot of progress why don't you focus and pay more attention to this process but only do it negative aspect of our relations which was in the past what is extraordinary in the light of your comment over the last two years is that you are now pressing to join the e.u. within the next five years this is according to your deputy prime minister ratchet
as tag what he told the german newspaper developed a few days ago he accused the e.u. of acting unfairly allowing several balkan countries to join first and he said turkey deserves to join the e.u. earlier than any other content turkey has been waiting for sixty years and in the last sixteen years we made a lot of reforms when we had the best relations with the european union i mean in two thousand and six immediately after we started the negotiations and some countries france and also the european union commission block several chapters and those days we didn't have any better relations with the europeans it was excellent so what he's trying to do that is to say that my deputy prime minister it wants when we do the reforms and when we reach the opening and closing banks fans of the chapters unfortunately due to the poll tacl off because we haven't made any. yes
so why don't you respect his opening he's the deputy prime ministers and you question every statement of one turkish politicians but when you never question the european site or not being stung doesn't mean of course we question the european side but you don't represent europe so i'm i don't know than we were i don't know because you are an incentive of turkey i must tell you about those i am planning on going after council of europe my friend and i share the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe for two years when you are foreign minister and you are also a member of nato we are member of the o.e.c.d. and we are the party iotas we are not asking for us either we are part of the europe major like it or not to be part of that you are mr foreign minister why if you want to continue did your president tell parliament in ankara last october to tell the truth we don't need the membership anymore so which is it you want to do what i view or you don't want to do anymore which is
a this is the reaction. this is a reaction. ran european union it behaves turkey that on that turkey needs european union turkey needs european union and european union needs turkey we are everywhere of this but some european countries unfortunately don't see the fact so why say well you don't need any man or you set your needle tongue trees in the european union actually against turkey your membership may be my shirt off the e.u. countries you members this actually are in favor of turkish if you're going to actually you know one membership anymore he said and you struck not you have the accuracy of the reaction just see the reaction of the country who has been waiting at the door for sixty years ok sixty years so as a way that it is turkey's mistake so what is right here so why threaten europe in march last year when the diplomatic pressure on what can what kind of threatening
in march last year what is the sematic route with germany was at its height your president said that if europe continues this way no european in any part of the world can walk safely on the streets that's what he said. that's a threat now it's a design or rather a stretch know it is not a truck and that not be a threat it is not a threat it is the actually he is warning the europe if you are in hypocrisy in our fight against terrorism and if you are allowed the terrorists to active to be active in your countries if you. believe that the batterers is the best one if you allow them to raise money forcibly if you are their illegal activities in your countries and indifferent. then nobody will be safe because what the president wanted to say that do not support to terrorist organizations and take the same measures against all the terrors all
sorts of terrorists without any double it sounded residents like they what is it is now that threatening this or are you would like to interpret in april you received the most damaging assessment of your progress so far by the european commission they spoke of major steps in the wrong direction and said turkey had suffered serious relapses in the areas of justice rule of law fundamental rights and freedom of expression and cited measures taken since the attempted coup has widespread dismissals arrests and detentions all of which raise serious concerns the why do not buy do not why should i reject what these critics is why should i what should i do with the persons who are actively involved in the attempted go. they're walking in two hundred literally three thousand people have been arrested no that is not true not because of the there are people who are sellers up to banks there are
murderers there are rapists there are the rock traffickers you know do you need to say i want to do it what do you do with this kind of people in your country do you know someone who needs a car right now ask you a question let me give you you asked me a question yes i cannot speak who has used it and i'm trying to answer it and what would you do for the people who are involved in the crime in your country there are more than two thousand turks from turkey not the turks living in germany in the prison why did you put them in the prison then why because maybe they are involved in the crime i cannot say that they are innocent because you have the judiciary here rest of the world isn't buying these explanations is that the chief human rights if you like and i justify it if you like i say the question if you don't like you don't you don't buy it this is the offer do you think the senior boss yeah i'm not the boy i'm talking about or syria i'm talking about the senior human rights official of the united nations who is concerned by arbitrary mass dismissals
of civil servants and private sector employees arbitrary closure of civil society organizations arbitrary detention the use of torture deal treatment during pretrial detention restrictions on free expression and movement arbitrary expropriation of private property those are things that he is concerned about not me he's concerned i'm talking about the chief security right sophisticated or my people is more important than what he's saying and he's a biased person and there's a conflict of interest i know him very well ok and these people this associations belong to the top which also which is who you know is for to the very end oh i don't know it was a terrorist organizations and i was a motorist because people don't know because many of. western countries were very happy. on that night ok because. he attempted to coup but he failed and in the morning many western countries who like him very much
regretted that the coup failed therefore for you he is a good man but for turkish people which western country very active portico who has a good man and poor others and for turkish people and for many other friendly countries this is a terrorist organization that's why many countries are closing their networks and the schools in those countries which guess which western country hailed the which western country approved of the coup unfortunately the majority of which which was given a meal and even that ignited even though you can't date me one name i can give you which one which one of many european kind which one many of i love almost all of you can't you can't give me one you walk a mile saying why i know about they came to visit us after the coup you can't give me a single one almost all of them really yes and you can't give me a single name almost all of them you can't pick one get one almost all of them pick one almost all are centers almost all of the really yes you have no evidence for
that what so i have the evidence of that i many ministers that night actually question me three o'clock in the morning have turkey was going to treat this protest instead of asking me how i was doing personally and how the situation was in turkey who do you think people are going to believe the u.n. human rights official who speaks out against human rights violations in the world or you representing in the ministration which is charge it is with massive abusive human rights we are going to going to be up to you and it is up to the people if you think you think human rights are just artificial obstacles known to you know because your president said in a recent interview i call on the e.u. to remove these artificial obstacles. artificial obstacle means the particular obstacles to the rise of racism islamophobia some countries are against turkey's membership this is a exactly what i meant you know president is what he's saying that turkey
is ready to continue their relations with the european union on the basis off the stand that's democratic standards but if you look at the obstacles because of cyprus or because of sarkozy because of that all of them are artificial and the political one ok mr foreign minister let's talk about factual of the islamic cleric in the states you've asked the states to is a terrorist or going to have values now that you tell me i know can i give you the question first yes but you have other you have to disagree with you have asked us just as well that you didn't look it when you were close to us lives are lost or died his is a he's a promoter and he's a terrorist i understand what you say you like what he did in china that's why you said islamic cleric this is exactly what i meant now you answered i'm not you i'm not going to use your leg now you are answering the years in that you put yourself
you want the us to extradite him yes. what is causing increasing concern in the united states is the fact that in april twenty sixth you're arrested an american missionary andrew branson apparently to hold a bargaining chip unless and until the u.s. extradite school and the reason we know that is because you know that this is what's how this is what you're this is what your president admitted in a speech last autumn he said about the americans give us the pass the back they say you have one pastor as well meaning delenn give him to us then we will try him branson and give him to you what is that if not hostage diplomacy is not how all of this diplomacy my friend what is it that branson offering in exchange is accused and the indictment is there if you have if you spare five minutes to read the indictment you will see what kind of accusations there are in the indictment it is
a poorly judicial process it is not a politically motivated process so why are you offering to trade to know we didn't we never offered you get no we didn't give us a pastor back nor have the one we are given to us we never try and we're given to you he never did that but when that there are agreements with between the countries including between turkey and the united states actually to extradite the people or to exchange of the prisoners to two sometimes when the prisoner a sentence for instance you can send him or her to. her or his host countries these are the agreements it can happen but if you're offering manicuring or we had we didn't offer an i am telling you that there are agreements no no no no give us about i give you the quote this is how you are interpreting and we have we have never been in this kind of bargaining with any country my friend
and only sometimes the intelligence is actually walked together to. dight some terrorists or when there is a serious situation this is a kind of cooperation between the countries but pastor is has been detained he has not been charged but there are serious accusations you read the indictment and you can see yourself what kind of education the next year minister let's talk about syria you're playing you said a leading role in the political process with syria you therefore have to take some of the blame for the fact that this process has got precisely nowhere has it geneva a stand on such a the russians have allowed president assad to basically keep winning the war and have cemented his position you said you wanted assad out your further away from achieving that goal the only time until well we believe that. you cannot rule
this country anymore because he has killed almost one million people and it is it is not only up to me you know you're playing a leading role in the talks and i'll tell you it is up to the syrian people actually at the end to decide to whom actually who should going to rule the country maybe that's why we need to prepare the country for the democratic elections turkey has been playing an important role crucial role at different platforms and since aleppo we have been working we started working with russia then we included iran as well because you like it or not iran is also an important actor we disagree with with iran on different issues including as that but this is a major issue this is this is a live issue and there are well you don't want your interest of but they now you have a real best friend this is that not they are not my best friend i have been working with them but you don't have to agree on everything with their country or person to
work together sometimes you can't put this this egg. remains in the brackets but asked on a process for instance have been very helpful to actually. consulate date the ceasefire the escalation zones and also to take some confidence building steps between measures between the regime and the opposition in libya the power with a man who has killed a million people cry your by your accusation you cement his power that's no no no that's not true it's about that is after we have never changed our position the russians are not going to let russia although you're going to that this is a very serious problem syria it is not only my problem i'm trying to explain what the situation is and what we have been trying to do ok he asked anarky such as it was only once and wheeling sochi to geneva the problem is nobody is paying enough
attention to geneva i mean the political process now it is not only about russia and iran it is also about our allies in the coalition so the dart i mean get in without taking any steps forward all making any progress or achievements in geneva how can we be sure about the political solution now the constitutional committee has to be formed. and i am i pessimistic about everything year no not not very pessimistic in in almost a year and a half we made a lot of progress but we still must do a lot more together all right and if they're not all going out of time ok i just and then well you know there was racial pay equal attention to both fighting terrorists and also to the political problems one last question in the story your elections are coming up in june parliamentary presidential elections you've invited
the o.s.c. e the organization for security and cooperation in europe to monitor these elections as we did before. as you did before and the ransom of your own planet ultimately rejected their criticism out of hand when they said to you that the vote last year had not lived up to the standards of the s.c. and the council of europe your president said i do not see hear or acknowledge reports by the o. s. c.e. observer mission so why bother to invite them once again when you're going to reject any criticism no i don't object to criticism and we have been in whiting or e.c. or is the order and parliamentary assembly of the council of europe to monitor the elections in turkey every single elections when there is a local elections actually a council of europe again or observes the elections last year some of the members of this at the committees unfortunately participated to campaign or. prop ekk party d.p.
including under who go who is a german policy or like what they say you accuse so of being pro peace or play saw the observers should be or bijective and balance they can not take a site they cannot part i also observe elections in many countries during my years at the council of europe so. should be objectively and balanced we can not take a site we cannot participate the campaigns of any particular party and no less than you for the result you want they're going to be by and large if you're called or if you participated the p.k. k. propaganda you are biased if you support the p.k. k. you are a terrorist supporter very clear thank you minister very much for being on congress on my. my
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