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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Wolfgang Schauble  Deutsche Welle  November 1, 2018 5:30am-6:01am CET

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right now in my brush. with the chains petri arcade games today women's rights are already gaining traction. people here don't have a clue that feminism but there are women sticking change in every day life for justice equality. under the skin. after thirteen years in power and some damaging state election results angela merkel's or thirty is visibly waning she's giving up the leadership of the christian democrats but chil stay on as chancellor my guest this week here in berlin is. one of germany's most famous and infamous politicians a former finance minister for the christian democrats now president of the
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parliament how long can a wounded anger. cling on to power. conflict welcome to conflicts or. is this the beginning of the end for angola merkel politics yes of course she has announced it's. not run again for the presidency of the party and she has been on its mean it's she will not run again after this period which by the way. is from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one can she last that long till twenty twenty one hours. well too much i think she has taken the right decision the third time and look the position of an elected chancellor in our constitution is on behalf of
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expertize we had with the failure of the weimar constitution where a strong once elected chancellor you can only be threw out against your own without. agreement if there is a majority in parliament who elected as. it is by the way was also respect not signaled not to be in medicine in this given this given parliament or for her position is constitutionally strong but inside the party she has her critics and her enemies of course there's no splits apart the choice to have the federal chancellor as member of the party and not of member of another party therefore i think as a party. we find resist saying so when she's already admitted she's lost the trust
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of the people she already said that before the elections so she's on her way down the only question is how fast she goes down nobody knows look what's happened this is a lot of things which come together in. our as we call it western system of democracy rule of law parliamentarism is under stress what happened in u.k. u.k. them the origin of modern parliament there is moved the most important decision in the first occurrence in this century for you kate from westminster to reverend i'm crazy. what's going on all of a continental europe member states of the european union smaller to lety major shift look what happened in france two years ago but you go home no longer connects to the voters there were massive losses in has your sister party suffered massive
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losses in investor before that you no longer connect you provide them with a great economy motivate wages most employment merl they don't want you in the most part it's all over europe would be happy if they would get twenty seven percent of voters ever but not the ones who got forty one percent last time it's a huge loss. what i'm saying is around trying to say we have different reasons one reason is the tectonic or change in modern democracy i think the main reason for this is a disruption in communication in communication between enjoy suffer whatever you like. but as in new technologies the next problem is linked resists to globalization to be influenced by all by developments prize by vents in all of
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the world we have german people became aware in the migration crisis in two thousand and fifteen and then of course any long period of government stable government successful government and not just not to be disputed result any doubt sciences above. american has been impressively extraordinary successful for a long time yes but now but now you no longer now no longer larvae who are the beneficiaries the beneficiaries of everything are right and the left the greens and the f.t. that is the normal way of life. everything in human in human life in human existence is for a time and is over now not over but your time is coming here your shit is weak and
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into season is not as strong as you used to be but she is not as weak with you has taken a decision in some from matter but for this she is not weakened as a rise any president let's say in france or let's say in u.k. in united states in his second term would be weakened it is not true that you can't ignore the fact that she is part of the problem isn't she now for your party she's no longer the solution she's part of the problem in politics you know this better than i do you either go up or you go down you don't stay still you don't stay still it's human life yeah and you know up when you're going down she's going down maybe she is strong you remain strong she won't be seen how strong those should be seen as we did. this wanted and she is strong both together and therefore i would i would not be. so decided she has announced she will not run again that is an
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important step. to announce that i think she is a good turns and we believe we will be agreeing in my party that we will not that we would do what we can. avoid brezhnev lame duck therefore we would see what will happen it's not to some already calling her a lame duck the succession battle has begun as of course in any and it's going to be bloody after thirty years it will be bloody. i think most most competitors will survive. it may not be so bloody who are going to be the top candidates we will see i don't know i will not give i'm going to give an answer to you it's not my it's not my role in politics to give in on the and that's because to this very day. from your point of view isn't the worst aspect of these elections the recently elections that the far right a d now has seats in all sixteen regional
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parliaments and is the only other party apart from yours to have seats in all the regional pounds that's a huge achievement for them that's the worst aspect for you isn't it. so. strong strength of right wing party fifty years of course i agree so versing it's a vast specter from my from my perspective but it's a matter of fact we have given it was. on the board i think ninety two members of parliament in the federal parliament they are all electors they have all equal rights and equal to it is now said join all state parliaments eyes away we have seen in the last two state elections in bavaria as well as in essence that what has been foreseen by many observers will
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move. towards twenty percent or more it's not decided and it can't be changed of course want to be what we suffer all over europe what happened in france since the kids. look what was the very reason for the break sort of and the main u.k. if i remember both of us would stay if we were a year it's a testing we made with germs your body has been unique your color says your party is ours is open the door for the. day it's gone that's all that the polls show that sixty nine percent of germans voted a of the because of concerns of immigration i don't agree i will tell you we have four for nearly six let's say sixty five years in germany it was most. we hit on behalf of our very specific and
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tragic past advantage said we didn't have a relevant right wing party in contrary to to all parts of europe look what's going on in sweden finland innocence of italy well wherever you like now seventy years seventy years after of after the creation of the federal republic of germany it seems that insists regard we also become a move towards something like a european normality i don't like it i don't like it but it's a matter of fact about immigration gave them the foothold didn't it your partner immigration if you look at the policies allowed them to oppress the fear button in the beginning it was it was not of immigration it was so you have appeared integration which was supporting to create this party called the look the cologne institute of economic research people are united by
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a general sense of unease about the future of the country sixty nine percent lament the negative consequences of immigration that's what you know. if you ask the voters of heston yesterday what was the most awesome problems was a decision. immigration is not in the not in the in the head of the of the range and therefore i'm a big they got into the parliament they got twelve percent and it didn't all over you as a european congress of course my underestimated and i don't underestimate you did on the us now and we don't you refer to them in twenty sixteen as boneheads they're not. doing much better than boneheads do we know who we care. it is not decide we can't it's to be it can't be changed it's
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a matter of fact and of course we so migration quizes in two thousand and fifteen create a lot of no was it as a way it was also for many for many people all over the world it was a new achievement as germany was seen as such an open generous tolerant nation and the peoples have been to migrants have been created welcome her hard with visible business in a very costly a way but look at the backlash from this little backlash as far as they have to look in twenty two european states now you have a higher concentration of far right parties any time for the last thirty years maybe. but as you said last year i think we can say there's no chance germany will ever relapse internationalism i am quite sure i think we have we will let's let's let's be clear they got about thirteen percent. that means eighty
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seven percent totally clear i think many many people in your many states in europe member states of the european union would be happy if the right wing party would limited to a certain percent five years ago this was unthinkable that they would have ninety odd seats in the bundestag and be represented in sixty minutes jim out of the vehicle say maybe in five hundred that was unthinkable maybe in five years i can't remember who said it would do would say it is unthinkable that there will be diminished we will see futures always open it is not in the light of how well they've done don't you want to reassess your comforting statement that there is no chance germany will have a relapse international journal germany bill ever never ever. in the knesset have some of the broad majority of german people have never moved our nationalism
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you have to suggest that european integration was the reason part of the reason that the continent overcame the disaster of hitler and the cold war divisions but there is now what president macro calls a civil war taking place in the e.u. divisions of values like the europeans he said that in april the battle between liberal and illiberal democracies didn't take that and i don't agree i like france president very much and he make impressive attempts to get reforms in france done his very engaged in poor european banks in europe and i agree if this i would not i would not say a sweltering in saying we are in a civil war and on balance of the. there is of hungary and poland they've thrown the challenge haven't back challenges because they had
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a moment where the moment i am quite careful in always criticizing our eastern neighbors they have a different history so they have a different development to have different chances and what they don't need and what they don't deserve so it's a always treated not an equal level but say i. have almost a feeling that we from the vest on we want to teach them we want our you have to do some of the you know say we didn't have we wouldn't have chairman of the unification but the club has its rules doesn't it yes if you are so keen on countries. as a british you must must be careful to ask me on the rules of the european because i will tell you. without so engagement and the courage of east european people in times of communist soviet empire
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we wouldn't have we would have enjoyed the german reunification it was poland it was jake it was hungry all these countries and therefore we must be a little bit more generous to these countries of course we have a little thing in the opposite direction you can be generous all you want. don't wait until you've only got on a direct challenge hasn't he said brussels is currently ruled by those who want to european power directed new voters a. chance that. there is a lot of the euro crowd out probably migration politicians want to make sure you make me impatient because also respect quoting somebody was known by the moment i'm an old man not so fast me too ok let's be quiet to quote some political leaders with some specific quotes makes no sense in public in discussion in substance we are very king for
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a common good in europe is the way you have seen poland i think paul is an example . so they have a different understanding on the reform of the system but when so european court decided last week so they have to cancel so i have to to correct it it's a decision to send it over to the intention they corrected it and the pens and pencils has such as has been called back seven as long as the decisions of the european court are respected by member states i would not criticize them i am a lawyer and their lawyer lawyer knows there are always different opinions. and should never let me talk to you as a lawyer because the subject of rules came up in new have been most insistent we're talking about them twenty sixteen you said it clearly all nations must stick to the
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rules of the single currency so this was my boss isn't they don't do that who who doesn't the stability pact was introduced since it's been introduced not a single year has gone by without at least one member countries finances reaching guidelines you know this you know this but who are the rules for the little countries. no we in germany read the required respect towards believe in my in my time in my time as finance minister i did work for respected so what i have i know you have seventy six rule infringement cases against you now in the brussels yea yea yea we are going to the greens you are no longer pupil your bottom of the bottom of the class yeah we are not we are not and mortal we have never understood ourselves as a model for as us so it is just not taught but we do why don't you apply the rules what we do every world we do or a spec. if the european court decides we respect the decision
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therefore the rule of law is very important and we do respect of course i don't say the terminus result any mistake by far not but what i what i am asking for has said we have mutual respect and we don't always blame our neighbors in the east i don't like it i bet you've always said no not played by the rules and since two thousand and seven germany has continuously been in breach of european current account i just has to be have to adjust fifty fended. impression of arrogance in relation to our. own european neighbors now you have terminated. from germany on this what hypocrisy telling people to obey the rules and you don't you know no one is even german is not perfect is that not just because you say you
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can then you know it was crazy i obviously as i am very king of my company to do respect the rules but we don't we are not better sense of polish and i thought a lot of members started here for that respecting three rules is an ongoing battle of every day and before you criticize us you have always took care of yourself and we have a lot of reasons to care ourselves but. i would not say as there are many does not respect the roads in my time as finance minister i was not going to so as not to respect the rules for fine and the financials and even the stability and growth. and now you have italy the latest challenge to euro zone rules you're smiling about this but they've thrown down a severe challenge to brussels haven't they and. says it once again threatens the euro's existence first time first time that italy's budget has been turned down first time you have heard i would i smile because i would have enjoyed if all these
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people who are now saying this relation to italy would have supported me in the times when we tried to tell the great people that they have to respect the rules it is also respect therefore we have exemption was that you went too far with greece you wanted out we did this i.q. question in my parliamentary spin i have been too generous in relation to greece and that was also true because i didn't respect the rules but having said this we did it in a in a in a suitable way and i will tell you i was happy that the european commission has said rules are rules i quote here moscow receives a responsible commission member of commission and he said also our olds and i was happy because in former times it equally sized me in saying said it would have to be respected now but the problem with italy is the illusion is telling them they can't have the budget do you really think that brussels can tell
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a freely elected country whose economy has been stagnant for the best part of twenty years that it can't pursue the policies it was elected to implement you really think that wait a moment wait a moment do it just try to convince me that we suit respect the rules now you are telling me we should not ask to italy to stick so was ok maybe it's a contradiction but having said this. i don't play both sides here you see i just want you to play one i will tell you plainly obvious the same i am totally convinced it's the problem of italy is not a lake of death of a lake of deficit it is not the problem of italy if a lack of this. means increasing there is increasing diffuse it would source it tell you the problems. say how serious a crisis is this requires
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a serious process like but i think markets will tell. you it will not get financed if you if you have a huge deficit and you want to increase your you'd still visit you always have to find someone who is if your credit you have to pay a price and you see you can seize a spreads are increasing the spread so i agree zinc therefore i hope this situation is serious so you commission is doing so right job in this when the italians have said we are not giving in we are not going to sway the let's wait and let's wait and if they don't give in and there is no result we will see i will not speculate but we will see i want to be done and i don't like to people like me i never like to people like mad for love to read i want to vomit to talk briefly about saudi arabia germany's decision to suspend arms sales to riyadh after the murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi. i was out on the lateral is x.
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years me and not a member of government i am president of the bundestag federal parliament i do resist appropriate eyes duress like myself to commend any decision of politicians and government in this very time having said this i would like to make clear chancellor merkel has said if i quote rightly and. says fear is. clear and if we know what's happened if we suspend he did not say we will cancel our exports he hasn't been to suspend until we have a clear. seems have been clear what happened and so if that is to the government i think it's wide i don't slide on what grounds moral grounds it's right to make press or said there must be. we
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we do know what we do we have to know what happened really and why and who is responsible for this it's a bit late for morality isn't it i mean there are credible and i don't know the saudis have been committing war crimes in yemen yemen since that started and your government did nothing and if you if you want to go to church about politics only on more and more categories you will always have a lot of problems you have always find the right balance you know that it's a film it's a famous german scientist. hundred years ago is it our leisure to have to decide you have to find the right balance between vault remind them. if weeks and responsibility and and to find so right balance is it difficult think every day in politics to have all this not for the right but if you must not pursue a politics result more or only you can't on the other end not only because politics
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