tv Quadriga - No Deal in Hanoi What Next for Kim Trump Deutsche Welle March 1, 2019 5:30am-6:01am CET
worth it for me to come to germany. and got my license to work as a swimming instructor here for an hour teach children one hundred. fifty. what's your story take part share it on in for my grand style. cologne a very warm welcome indeed to quadriga coming to you from the heart of berlin and this week the focus is on the eagerly awaited second meeting between u.s. president donald trump and north korean leader kim jong un it had been hoped that the summit in the vietnamese capital would use the promise of economic development to build on their historic first meeting in singapore but the summit finished earlier than planned after the two leaders failed to bridge their differences and
no joint statement was signed it seems that for the time being the hope of trading concessions on economic sanctions for concrete denuclearization measures will not be realized so our question on quadriga this week is no deal in hanoi what next for can trump and to discuss that question i'm joined here in the studio by dr gene here on your job from the institute of korean studies at berlin for university he says no more tug of war instead it's time for the u.s. to show that it's also willing to take irreversible steps towards peace for our future generation also with the author and journalist who writes for the los angeles times and eric believes that talking is better than testing trump deserves credit for convincing north korea to at least temporarily stop testing nuclear weapons and. misao found
a warm welcome to two cherrie chan hong kong born journalist currently with george wallace social media and ensure desks she argues that china is supportive of more u.s. north korea interaction as long that is as they don't get too cozy with each other just because not going to happen for the time being thank you all three for being here on quadriga today i'd like to begin with you young. let me ask you what your response is to the truly dramatic developments in hungary well obviously a lot of the last night i was full of expectation of all however when i woke up in the morning and all i mean really look at the news media and found myself of a first eight however obviously she seems to need more patients in time although we've been waiting for seventy years so far and on the korean peninsula so
a long time friend you said you you have expectations and hope can you describe those expectations well basically. you know the north korea is to last year shows that they are really the leader. shows his form will to some process for for the did. so last year they should. literally exploded one of the nuclear test site and was that there was no test way to mention so. i expect that yet united states government is the trump government. who to some. to step forward especially the you know. the for the demands of north korea and. yeah. request for the next steps most every didn't happen. so that's why i was frustrated and wanting to review or not think. no actually i think that from the china side china is fond of
you they didn't expect. you to be. like the father son may happen they actually already said that they know that a new christian process is a really slow process and it cannot be reached with just one step and so they have a lot of expectation but they i think china is rather disappointed by not having first sanctions. sanctions lifted on north korea because i think china's concern the biggest concern of china is economic development of north korea when you talk about china are you talking about the chinese authorities or both the chinese people because you are very much coming from a social media perspective yeah. the chinese media chinese state media. about the chinese public actually they also don't think that it would be such a remarkable some meat they were after after this break people on social
media they were saying that we know that this is a political show and it's just a comedy and we're laughing about it to. a comedy ehrlich or a major setback for the u.s. president. i don't think it's a setback at all i mean i think the expectations were probably a bit too high driven by trump himself yeah but he was trying to skill and he's in no rush but at least they're talking i mean let's roll back the clock to a year and a half ago fire in fury talking about rocket. rocket missile tests towards towards it was a really tense moment my butt is bigger than your butt and then this is only a year and a half ago another sitting down and talking ok they can come up with a great deal today were. never but all these are going to keep talking so i think. to call it a failure is wrong i think a lot of people know it states in security are probably relieved that trying to get
away too did not give away too much that was definitely a few years ago and i think this time around well there might be some diplomatic relations opened up and they're going to continue talking but there was a real fear after the singapore summit in june that trump would give away too much that he would reduce sanctions before north korea was really willing to give up nuclear weapons and that's the key to the whole thing and there's relief in the united states right now among people who follow this closely that he did not go too far. bit disappointed that compared to the fest dates essentially no change and no progress at all because. as you say one and a half year ago but then after the single post summit i think. people are. expecting law coming out from there was expectations and there was a euphoria about that and it was a remarkable situation when trump was suddenly calling him his friend and things like that i mean maybe it's not a good idea to be called
a friend by trump we know what happened to michael cohen and other people have been his friend but at least they were talking at least north korea was not testing rockets anymore wasn't testing missiles wasn't wasn't put a freeze to that and that was a really positive thing i think most americans even americans who don't really like trump recognize this was a pretty important thing and he he succeeded in areas where presidents from clinton to obama to bush were not able to succeed he got north korea talking and seriously i happened to have the pleasure of trying to cover a summit in the early ninety's right here in berlin we stood outside the north korean embassy for days on end nobody would say anything to us these were sort of low level talks north korea was not talking at all then and now at least they're talking they're looking for ways forward so do in the world whose rights to lead by don't rule trump to invest trust in the north korean leader. yeah there's definitely definitely with the comments on the progress there was i think drastic
progress and. and i you know i understand that you know here in europe it was either if we don't you know as they did people distrust the trump and also i. briefly took a look at the news media says that there was a gentleman who was watching or maybe these media about michael quinn's testimony and then he was quite also disappointed and with the whole mike my questions to see if they don't also started a little bit you know the out of. sincerity of trump. so however i. actually korean actually we. definitely expect the especially the trump of the miss trade. to more reliable and trust full steps at the village he can do that and he must do that. so now.
the whole game seems to goes on to do trump side however also north korean government chairman team would definitely do his best to make more progress in the near future do you think he was expecting too much do you think he really thought trump was going to say ok we're going to lift the sanctions i mean no no no actually. i don't i don't i don't. understand he intends to however and in korea we expected at least you know there is some partial reduction it definitely the easement of the conversations that this is the first step at least you know north korea forced to show their willingness to the process of democratization last year and also. this is actually . reversible. made. or if they want to focus on economic
development much more than the military. power development so so does this i think. we you understand this is the north koreans form. so it's now actually a trump government and i think the united states is in general most the schole there it was interesting building up the peace process and korean peninsula ok second the summit in hanoi the one thing i think we can agree on brought together two very unusual leaders in donald trump and kim jong un of the two i think less is perhaps known about the north korean supremes leader and before i ask our guests what they can tell us about kim here are some brief impressions. kim jong un was given a spectacular sendoff as he left for the summit. he says to me enjoys these kinds of events whether it's military parades own nuclear weapons tests.
since kim came to power in twenty eleven he's been a thorn in the side of the united states. but north korea's economy is in a shambles do in large part to international sanctions. jim has vowed to get the economy moving again. in april twenty eighth kimmitt south korea's president for the first into korean summits in eleven years is. in just can travel to singapore for a summit meeting with u.s. president donald trump first made any promises about denuclearization. what can we expect from kim at the honey. what can we expect now in the media aftermath of the one always summit and i suppose cherry just tell us that the one thing we need to know what i need to know to understand kim better. i think. at least in the region he is the second youngest state neither you know while
people in the region see him as very progressive at least to his father and his grandfather and they expect more from. because he also studied abroad when he was and he had some international experience kim a progressive leader is not the way he's seen in south korea as well surely not. i think it's definitely south korea actually. since the. the the korean summit last year. people came to think that in oregon joan is right definitely what's more open than liberal and at that same time she already stabilized the zone power in the country so. the people changed their perspective in the condoned a lot actually it's more. positive than negative and it's interesting we talk a lot about the with the chemistry between donald trump and kim what about between kim and president move you know obviously that they. are ladies to what he's
really close which are relationship you know south korea is the need to improve the relationship normalize diligent did north korea otherwise you know there's with them domestic problems and south korea economic problems and or so or the people's minds then you know the internal internal conflicts within south korea so it allows us great people especially the really appreciate it and respect the it's just the president move on really trying to really try to normalize relations north korea but without the support from the united states in the course the international society particularly europe and germany you know i think the does in total normalization process is not possible where he's converted to go next eric. on the train back to korea. the fact that it would take a train is interesting and i'm to take it right if you well i don't and i know i plain doesn't have a plan that's a problem he flew to singapore on
a china plane because the government plane is sixty years old and missing some spare parts that says a lot about the situation in north korea it's economically as the show mentioned the program mention in shambles kim is the one under pressure he needs to bring something home he's got to get about a position there within the korean economy is coming from from way down deep or from the from the power elite if everybody i mean a lot of the people a lot of the elites in the government have been abroad right the thirty to forty year old studied abroad have been abroad have been to singapore wherever they see that there's a world out there they can see we can have the whole the whole current north korean media that was following the summit in vietnam they would not have missed that vietnam is a florestan country right now vietnam was on was destroyed after the vietnam war vietnam was poor the north korea the north korea was helping vietnam in the seventy's look how the tide is turned vietnam in the united states had a very rough relationship but they were great friends now trump was trying to send these tacit messages look north korea look what could happen to you he was saying
that every other every other minute as well this is the potential for north korea what happened in vietnam look at that and if we do that and i like you mention about it it's transcript it's actually it was so it means a lot to exorcise crim people as well you know south korea unlike former by the germany into korean border is on is not penetrable at all there was no interactions . and horses as great as the national security role believe really forbidden people prohibit people from south korea to travel to north korea any permission from south korean government for now and in. island if you wanted to go abroad you have to take a plane so now they found that if you if you feed normalize the relation there's korea we have a lady di. clicked. between. couldn't north korea south korea and then borders open between tripoli people can imagine it can travel to north korea to
china the middle east asia and also the shearing the billion so this is a complete different imagination about the wall this is because will continue their minds that previously the island mindset so it's so in this is a very symbolic action. you just train trip brings through this sort of a korean people's mindset and at the same time you know or definitely historically historically the similarity between north and south korea might preserve the war there was a war between. the it's in north korea and you know states and claim that they won the war against the united states and north korea was so claim that they want to scream war against which has the it's so. sad it's still maintained some sort of a social is the system so this is maybe chinese model part of trying to build now
in north korea is very interested in vietnam as the model for their economy growth i just want to go back to your point of other trade right actually it is a very big talking point on chinese social media. first of all the chinese people they're really proud that i came is taking this train right across the whole china not the whole china like i read it all the way in china and china is responsible for providing security and i cleaning airing all the train tracks on roads fall for him to pass through. but then they also think that if they stop and for them because like when they pass through the whole china pass through china like people cannot go to work on time they cannot take the train on time and i saw some videos and pictures of people taking this train and saying that like complaining about it basically. yeah ok as we've. in the first meeting between the two leaders trump and kim took place eight months ago in singapore this time the vietnamese capital hanoi
provided it as we've been hearing the backdrop for the summit and that was widely viewed as important because there are many who believe the vietnam's booming economy could provide a model a template for similar economic growth in north korea we'll talk about that in just a second after these images. luxury cars manufactured in vietnam a sign of the booming economy. quest mystic product is growing at an annual rate of about six percent more and more people can now afford to buy a car. skyscraper this seems to be going up everywhere. has become a city that's open for business twenty four hours a day consumer spending is time the advanced economy is a mix of communism and capitalism. the communist party still rules the country with an iron hand a recent poll indicated that most people approve of the country's free market system. vietnam is rapidly becoming a southeast asian economic powerhouse. could north korea learn from vietnam's
experience. in its he said the north korean authorities have made it their business to study the the vietnamese model that we've just been hearing about the door in more a model as it's called what will they have learned and what with will they will do they is they view it as a viable model for north korea's future well it to be honest actually i was still correct pursers i started studying about possibility and or saw the potential of this vietnamese model whether it is fit into north korea now it's a starting point in our the historical similarities and also the probably or some of the things neurologist. you know i was government was very successful there tracked more foreign investments now in japan and south korea is the number one and . to investing a lot of factories and. development development. projects in
vietnam so you know now the previously divided and underwent to save your city of civil place which is if you're not. in a sense i think also the people in vietnam it's been a mess people with a pretty much i think were disciplined you know this i could have. personality at the same time they're sincere even when working and was a dealing with a human relationship so that there is there is some sort of. kind of basic similarity between what you know maybe it's just me i'd like to come from a german perspective in the. sense that. the the economic model from vietnam for donald trump was an incentive that he was offering to the north korea and saying this is what you could get and he actually said that and he said that the north korean leader could remain in power and could be the man who enforces it were how troubled should we be to say coming from
a german perspective were two people tend to sort of moral is quite a lot. how troubled should we be that this is a despotic dictator that this offer is being made to. i don't think this is a. that the tater came is at the paper and i think he was so when he profiled this incentive for north korea to open its economy first and we can't he can't see off of that how the country develops and i think it's actually quite attractive for north korea to learn from vietnam because. he had not managed to open up its economy and at the same time. hold on to its political power is basically. a one party state and i think north korea will when they want to a very attractive option for north korea yeah korea from other parts of the well we're still talking here about. are we talking about north korea and south korea or are we talking possibly in the future about united korea for it's hard to imagine
a united korea i think korea has south korea studied the german unification as a model and wow it's expensive and i think they're a bit freaked out about that i don't know i don't i don't hear any talk of korean unification this is sort of a pipe dream from people who don't live in the region or but it's a very expensive thing and german unification is still a work in progress. yeah. obviously. germany and korea. is that commitment however determine it does not. go into in a civil war between east and the alien east and west germany. while there's as korea does civil war and then a based on this experienced some of the emotional emotional sentiment emotional. and negative emotional reactions to miscarry you know it's a wholly korean sentiment is still strong in south korea however. and
the economic perspective on the unification i think it's still i think it was to be criticised as well as obviously young people as i was korea concern about these money you know how much money they have to. pay for the whole of the process of unification however we believe there is more advantages east. to the normal in normalizing the relationship dan maintaining the you know we have to pay a lot of boys the taxes for the military weapons and or some was the young people mostly men most to go to of military service and this is a lot of the cost this is a problem from their states to the united states is spending a lot of money and treasure defending south korea this is one of the motivations of trump to get american forces out of there but the nuclear the nuclear ration has to happen first ok when you talk about that are equal what's on the to do list for trump and came in the next day months they've made some progress we've got
a bit of a pickup situation now what's what's on the to do list in the immediate future most likely the preparation that they did not do for the noise summit should start having their underlings work on the preparation a little bit better next time and come a little bit more prepared for some concrete things that can be done it was unprofessional that's what people are saying. and i think for it to succeed i think north korea is going to have to give up all of its nuclear weapons or it's going to have to make some big steps it's not going to happen generally up its nuclear weapons this is the big goal now. so north korea is looking at the u.s. and they want to believe the u.s. is looking at off the. that. trump has treated kim like equal as a world leader something you never had before so i think trump is strategy is to treat him like a world leader that's trump's took the first step north korea has to deliver has to
get rid of its nuclear weapons. has stopped testing. good yeah so yeah you can also said that he took the first step you know sitting on indefinitely. in this is deployed. to deal with a cold it. is you know like a friends like but it seems that north korea was the want to. see the. realistic step from the united states government. is always a very unstable. in the korean. changed their policy. changed so that's why it is a problem. thank you for being here.
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