laws. cheryl: what is so crazy, southwest by southwest, austin, texas, used to be a music festival, a great music festival. i don't know what it is now. julian assange spoke from london on the same situation, ecuadorian embassy in london. he said more leaks are coming. these guys don't care, they don't really care if they ever come back to this country again. >> there is that argument they don't care. there is the other argument they're doing this in the public interest. one thing really interesting is, one of the guys said, you know, they collect data from somebody who is called a gun shop and they collect data from somebody who called an abortion clinic. cheryl: right. >> depending on what side of the political eye you are, you probably don't want them collecting your data. cheryl: he also said though today that is ineffective. he said, that is why the u.s., we're failing in cybersecurity because we're not targeting where we need to be targeting.