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been a great friend for many years. trump 2016. if his relationship has not always been good, last year he tweeted that he was glad he fired rodman. that is it for tonight's risk and reward. tune in to charles next. charles: move over. punishing investors for making money. plusplus what is wrong with the market? it keeps going down. it is actually getting scary race relations in our country have soured. many disagree,disagree, but we all agree a house divided against itself cannot stand. ♪
charles: hillary clinton's stealth attack on the investor class and corporate balance sheets continues. ii agree with her comment that tyranny is today's earnings reports. the fact of the matter is this as nothing to do with corporate america creating jobs. it removes the prerogatives of individual investors. the average holding is abysmal. individual investors on a day-to-day basis. the pressure to bail out is unbearable. the averagethe average hold time needs to be six years. now it is less than six months. as more individual investors have gotten into the market the emotional part has become a reflection of mainstream angst. they can write out waves, ups and downs.
the average investor does not have the luxury. what higher capital gains help or hurt the stock market? joining us now, hilary kramer, fox news political contributors. on the hillary clinton piece today. a rambling, weird. if nothing else she had better talk to donald trump on pumping up the crowd. i almost fell asleep except for the subject matter. it is important and critical this attack is scary stuff. >> i agree. she is throwing red meat -- charles: two? >> the left-wing, investors that don't understand that what she is talking about, what it will do is stop people from investing is much as they did and therefore she wants more taxes. there we will be less taxes
in the coffers which creates disincentive. forfor her to say looking at the short-term and companies , look, the biotech does very well. charles: listen, of all the things to complain about, the companies like starbucks and amazon hit all-time highs. we know people who lost money in those stocks. that is the prerogative of a free nation. her short-term is a ms. two years. she wants to punish you if you have the gall to take a profit in the stock market. >> maybe she got excited with what china is doing. i was speaking with susan in the green room and she made an excellent. the angel investors like to get in and want to move out somewhat quickly because these are unknown entities.
charles: i want to jump in because hillary clinton was interesting. she protected those who have given her a lot of money. people who give her money find that ironic. she is not angry at the angel investors were big company investors. >> the people who we will be harmed 1st are women and people of color. charles: everyone is going to be hurtok. she is talking about someone bought amazon and they are up 170 points, afraid to sell because they don't want to pay the higher tax rate. i have seen this for -- seen this personally. the stock, all of those gains vanish. that is why i compare it to communism and think that it is a valid. she is taking on the structures of capitalism, the foundations of capitalism and saying she is going to change them.
she broughtshe brought up the virtues of investing in solyndra, had the nerve to bring that up but would chide someone for buying+o facebook and having the audacity to make money on it÷ú on these buybacks she went charles: if you have the money whether you are ceo of the company"n, it is your prerogative, not up to hillary clinton. i want to talk about jeff these us. he was ridiculed for years. people dumped on him, said he was aa dummy. when are you going to stop focusing on building this company? he has built an unstoppable, great company. shame on the management companies that don't follow
his lead and say forget about the long-term, i will manage this thing earnings to earnings and be worried about the nuances of the stock market because those are the people doing terrible. you watch the market. who are the companies that you feel are following in that footprint. focus on the long-term. if i miss by a penny and you punish my stock, so be it. >> interestingly they're is a biotech thata biotech that has not gone out they're and 20 years and made an acquisition. instead they are focusing on not trying to buy off your building. the other company that does the opposite. charles: their stock got hit. i like that this has come up i bumped into him in his building in the elevator and
i told him, i'm a huge fan because i like what you are doing and i understand peoplei understand people got caught up in the market, buying companies that never had a hope, but he built the company, there's something to be said. >> that is the heart and soul of america. his 1st investors were his parents. that is what americans do. wewe are risk takers. it proves that even though he kept investing. this is the payoff, the perfect example of some companies will fail. to not have government interference with his good management style and those of the companies that will survive. >> what he did was invest in america and americans. he built these warehouses and the distribution system in states no one wanted to go into.
he was able to have the right kind of employment. >> i had to take profits. the short-term is an. i see the same kind of thing take $5 million, family friends, lost it all. i wish i could take pictures while i'm here. wrapped plastic around regular camera. i love the stories. every three months to three months is bad for investors. >> there is an important transparency. >> it is the overreaction to the reports. i blame a large part of that >> unpredictability of government intervention. >> for this flaccid recovery , one number is good, one number is bad.
people can't deal with that anymore. the former secretary of state, hillary clinton, sent at least four e-mails from a personal account classifying information during her time heading the state department could this prompt a criminal investigation? could that derail her presidential campaign? and investigative attorney for managing members of the charles griffin intelligence agency. national review reporter. i want to start with you. of course this is your bailiwick. hillary clinton is trying to dies the e-mail. it feels like there is something there, a couple of smoking guns. >> there is a law that i have sort of invented or at
least i believe in, the more people you have in an e-mail screen the harder it is to keep a lid on investigations so hillary clinton has sent e-mails from this one blackberry that she had when she was secretary of state to all kinds of people. she has been contradicted in her earlier statements with e-mails that they recovered that she sent to sidney blumenthal, her advisor. now the state department is slowly releasing e-mails. a federal judge chided them for being so slow. this tiny sample is looked at. already we see four e-mails had what should have been classified as classified information. charles: that probably goes back to the beginning of time and any criminal enterprise. speaking of getting busted.
we talked about the state department leaking these out a lot of people wondering why. it feels like -- do they want her to be derailed? it feels like this is not helping her cause. >> i don't know if it will matter either way. she lies a lot. she lies all the time and no one seems to care. she said she would answer questions about a congressional campaign, but i want want to focus on the issues. my family and most families care about national security she glosses over it. charles: where do you think this goes now?
for a while it stalled and now starting to regain momentum. >> we have a referral. there isthey're is confusion. initial headlines said that there was going to be a criminal referral to the justice department. then that changed, and now they're is a referral to see if classified information we will be mishandled. charles: why is that so important? they took out the word criminal. >> it would not be as serious a thing if it was mishandled but not done with criminal intent. that would be the difference and eitherand either way, though, it is hard to see this not steamroll further. you have the associated press in court asking for more e-mails and all the different in people who have received e-mails kind you
also have. the presumption that you should have a criminal investigation is heightened. >> to your., in the court of public opinion and these polls, her honesty is being questioned. her trustworthiness is being questioned. do you think this we will stick? it feels like it is getting ready. >> she has plunged to double digits. also, it had been just a political opponents. now it is to inspectors general. this is serious. they interfered. they know it is dangerous. this is not going to stop. those four e-mails were out of 40. out of 30,000 that are out they're. charles: this is going to continue. there is something going on. fiat chrysler announced that they will recall over 1 million vehicles a few
cyber defense. let me start with you. you see this kind of thing on youtube. then they're were cyber experts who began to weigh in. i think this recall speaks to the fact that maybe they're is a serious risk your. >> there is a serious risk. i want to start out with looking at the cyber poverty and ask. 76 percent live below the poverty index which does not -- charles: what does that have to do with the auto industry? >> it is not acting in the sense that others we will be looking. charles: you are saying it is not taking cyber security seriously despite the fact that it is obvious sooner or later someone we will be able to hack our car while
we drive. >> a much bigger problem. you look at the number of cars in the us alone. that is the largest percentage of the world car sales and cars on the road. multiple sensors across cars, planes, trains automobiles, a much bigger problem. it will makeit will make looking like cracking the enigma like a game of tic-tac-toe if you try to look at the level of sophistication it takes to hack these cars and to not be distracted because the associated physical risk. charles: let me go to kurt. they guys who pulled this off, just a couple of regular dudes who like doing this kind of stuff, put it together and were successful they were not able to steer the car, but they took over certain parts. it will be nothing but one giant boombox with a bunch of computer chips. it stands to reason that
there we will be vulnerabilities. >> i think you are right. your analogy is funny. charles: my car we will be. >> peter has a. we are at the precipice. let this be that moment. i think we would have looked back and said, i get iti get it is my car could be hacked and they can unlock the doors. but we're talking about is a couple of guys that were experimenting across the country and are able to use a laptop and affect the transmission, change the steering, break, accelerate. they could steer the car somewhere. the focus is about hello automobile industry, how come this happens? at least chrysler, fiat chrysler woke up. this is the recall, and this is groundbreaking.
we have not seen a hacking related recall in us history if you 2013if you are at 2013 to 2015 dodge viper, ram 1500, 2500, 3500 pickup, ram 3500, 4500, 5500 chassis charles: the list is too long. you and peter real quick because i'm getting the wrap signal. over the next couple of weeks or months that someone can take control of our car. >> wake-up call, i think it can happen in the future and the automobile industry is getting its own wake-up call charles: on a scale of one to ten how afraid should we be? >> a+. charles: thank you very much. and i've got a jeep.
charles: news alert here and a big question for you, have airlines become the most despicable industry in america? well, if the story of price gouging in the aftermath of this recent amtrak crash is true, i say move over used car salesmen. welcome back tammy bruce, phillip segal and hillary kramer. tammy, listen, we know businesses try to take advantage of situations, but the notion perhaps that they started to raise prices in that northeast corridor after the amtrak crash probably crosses a few lines. >> well, more than a few. i think that's a complete
violation of the trust, the nature of what we rely on when it comes to business and this free market, what americans rely on. at the same time, we have laws against price gouging because people tend to do it. like i'm a big user of uber. they've changed their accelerated pricing when things are difficult, and that used to also be awful. but they had to back down -- charles: there was a lot of public outcry. who was the guy who had the big show, seinfeld, when his wife was complaining, you knew they'd gone too far. >> when it comes to the airlines and that corridor especially, it's a normal part of our lives now, and if that, in fact, was the case, if we find out this happened, i think there's going to be hell to pay. charles: what do you think, phillip? >> the funny thing about this story, all the stories i read about this investigation, there's no source. number one, there's no source as to why people think the prices went up and, number two, the airlines almost instantaneously came out and said, no, we cut prices. [laughter]
we slashed our prices by half. so if that's not true, that's the most despicable thing, to come out and lie. charles: as an investigator, the data's out there somewhere, you could kind of look and see where prices were, historically what they are. i guess the question is did they collude, because there's already questions of collusion in that industry, and now this on top of it. >> that's right. there's already an existing collusion investigation. my beef with the airline industry is not so much that they charge me for bags and that people yak on their cell phones. my beef is that they've been allowed to have hubs where there's no competition. so, you know, it costs $1400 to go to pittsburgh and back from new york in the middle of january and $500 to go to miami and back at christmas. charles: guess what? if you've got a beef with competition, it's going to get a lot worse, right, hillary? the consolidation, and some people say, listen, it's not the
airlines' fault -- >> that's right. it was approved under this administration, going down to four airlines. here's the thing with the collusion, i believe in the investigation that i tried to look into is that it has to do with the software and the computer programs that are so sensitive -- charles: wait a minute, wait a minute. if a bad tweet goes out, they blame the intern. [laughter] you're blaming a prize fight on the software. >> on the software because everyone is checking the prices, and the way they're doing their pricing today, it might not have been the ceos getting in a room and saying let's raise the prices now that amtrak crashed. charles: figured out a way to put the algorithms together so that when it's time for someone to be in trouble, blame the software guy. >> great point. charles: thanks a lot. anthem's acquisition of cigna, probably going to be a game changer. talk about consolidations, right? the health care industry, it doesn't mean good things for the consumer. but in the meantime, it's been a record year for takeovers, and
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new home sales was a dud today. and then, of course, there's this merger mania, there was another one today, anthem and cigna. the record pace continues. what i thought was curious about today though, both of those stocks ended lower, and that has not happened. usually both the acquirer and the acquiree have gone much higher. could be bad news for the industry, small businesses and, of course, for the stock market as well. first, let's talk about what might be the next big acquisition. well, first i want to ask you about this, the overall market, hillary. you know, obviously, there's a problem. we open up sometimes pretty strong, sometimes okay, but every single day doesn't take long, we start to drip lower, and then that proverbial snowball becomes a boulder. >> that's right. and we're seeing commodities crack, we're seeing junk bond prices start to fall, so there's some -- charles: commodities, you're talking like copper at a six-year low. >> yes.
i'm talking about companies like freeport-mcmoran -- charles: where's this coming from? >> global weakness in gallanted, and the reason -- in demand, and the reason we don't necessarily see it on the headlines is we've seen such high demand on products like apple, for example, and some of these tech companies do well and even some of the semiconductors surprise to the upside. that's why we don't see it, but the truth is there's just a lot of capacity out there. charles: susan sullivan is with us, our small business expert we haven't seen in a while. want to ask you about this anthem/cigna deal. we were just talking about the airlines, prices have gone through the roof, you have zero options, is so you're almost at their mercy. combine this with obamacare, and it could be a scary thing. >> from a business perspective, i understand where they're coming from. they're looking at economies of scale, trying to improve their profit margins, but for the consumer it's a bad deal anytime you decrease competition. when you look at small businesses specifically, charles, you've got to look at
the fact that in the obamacare exchanges for small businesses, there are fewer companies that participate -- charles: so you don't have many options to begin with. >> right. and, in fact, there's legislation in front of the house of representatives to change the terminology for what's considered a small business. right now anything under 100 employees is considered a small business. they want to change and that make 51-100 employees a larger business so they can get more options in the larger exchanges. charles: all right, guys. i also want to real quick talk about what hillary clinton talked about today. corporate buybacks, they've been holding this market up, and i think we have niger ennis with us. niger, are you with us? >> i am. how are you? charles: hey, thanks a lot for joining us. i want to ask you because when i start hearing a potential president of the united states say that she should dictate how corporations spend their money, who the good guys are, she went so far as to even say who the good activists and the bad activists were. that's scary stuff.
>> it's frightening stuff and, again, i'm glad you have a small business expert on the panel because whenever big government tends to get involved in corporate decisions, it tends to benefit the biggest multi-nationals. it does not benefit those struggling, small businesses that are trying to climb the economic ladder that are looking for an economic advantage. whenever government picks winners and losers, it's usually dictated by lobbyists. not by the market. charles: in this particular case, i think this whole thing is dictated by the welfare utopia that's running out of money, and hillary clinton wants a big chunk of that. hey, forget about three cots and a hot, pretty soon prisoners are going to get computer tablets. most law-abiding citizens don't even have a tablet. is it safe? is it smart? is it even fair? we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ can a business have a mind?
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charles: hey, quick question, and it's not rhetorical, tweet me. i want to know, should prisoners be allowed online? private correction services say, yeah, they absolutely should. they've just introduced a tablet made specifically for the more than two million incarcerated people throughout this country and, of course, their argument is it's going to allow prisoners to entertain themselves, they can educate themselves and, of course, you can always learn valuable life skills. jp is being named the apple of the prison system. still with us, tammy bruce and katherine timm. eric, you deal with a lot of
people who go to prison. >> i keep people free. [laughter] charles: someone had to get unlucky. so what do you think? you're one of these guys, let's be nice to the prisoner kind of guys, right? >> i believe people should be punished for their crimes, but if they have computers, if they're not using it to be on facebook and twitter, that's what needs to be stopped. but they deserve to have research -- [laughter] absolutely. because we want people, we want people -- >> based on research or what? >> they want people -- we want people to rehabilitate themselves, to get educated and to learn life skills. >> text messages don't rehabilitate anything, believe me. >> that's what i said, take out the social media part, text messages -- charles: like the prison library, right? 1% of the population really uses it. i mean, realistically, katherine, listen -- listen, i don't mind, i understand where this company's coming from, and by the way, those things are cute. i don't know why they're only selling them to prisoners. if i saw one on the street, i'd
buy one. look at that thing, that is pretty cool. what about the idea that somehow, you know, we keep giving prisoners more and more, and it's going to help 'em? >> make prison the most fun possible -- charles: outside of welfare, listen, this is the second best thing going. >> yeah, definitely. well, i thought it was interesting they have security measures saying that certain words like escape -- [laughter] are flagged. come on. there's no way they can never do any sort of code system? i mean, come on. but i don't know -- charles: although, tammy, some people say, you know what? if you're being realistic about all this, these prisons already have so many tablets in them, cell phones. i mean, all these things have been smuggled in. in the real world, a lot of prisoners have access to this kind of stuff. >> well, they do. and they're saying, oh, we've got all kinds of security, don't worry, we've blocked words, and they're not going to be able to do x, y and z. this, of course, a couple of weeks after the guys who tunneled their way out of prison. [laughter] i don't want charles manson to be able to sell his music
online. it'll include e-mails, video chat. and, you know, that woman that you were stalking is going to love to hear from you again, the parents of the person you killed. there are so many things wrong with this, but the bottom line is prison for punishment, and it is to remove you from society. >> and rehabilitation. >> i -- >> prison is for rehabilitation. >> then there's rehab. that's not for prison. >> people who are not educated, they have to have means of education. charles: yeah. >> that's one of the ways -- charles: although i should say -- >> they don't even sell encyclopedias -- charles: we've got to go, guys. >> i have several bookings. charles: the fact of the matter is i don't think it's rehabilitation, and i think it rewards crime, but we'll find out. hey, guys, there's a new poll out that finds the majority of americans think race relations in this country overall have gotten a lot worse, and a lot of them think, well, it's not going to get any better. i think it will. we're going to come back to discuss it.
charles: news alert. early this morning hulk hogan was fired by the wwe because of a racial slur that apparently hogan made during a conversation that he had with someone about his daughter. hey, brother, when the hulkster starts tossing around the n-word -- that was my best impression of him -- but obviously there's something to this poll to. 57% of americans saying race relations in the united states is generally bad. still with us, we've got niger and eric. eric, the level of discontent about race in this country, obviously, statistically alarming. how did this happen?
listen, i'm going to jump right out there and say i blame a lot of this on progressives, but mostly i blame a lot on president obama and his crew, including al sharpton. >> how are you going to blame president obama for race relations? this goes back centuries where this has been a deep divide within our country -- charles: we're talking about the direction of it getting substantially worse since he's been elected. >> well, i think it's gotten sometimes worse with some people because they did not want to see an african-american president in -- charles: he got in twice. >> that is true. but that is a sector of america who are progressive, who don't have a problem with the african-american being -- an african-american being a president. and that has caused a lot of people who are racist to come out -- charles: you know what, niger? i find, honestly, i find -- here's the problem, the average white person saying give me a break, i never owned a damn slave, i don't know how i'm going to pay my mortgage this
week. why do you keep calling me racist, mr. president? >> i think there's no question. i think what eric said is balderdash. i don't buy it for a minute. the fact is this president, president obama, got a larger share of the white vote than john kerry when he was the presidential candidate for the democratic party. look -- charles: what does that have to do with people who have racist tendencies, niger? >> we're not talking -- just because 60% of the country is not racist or is inclusive of others, does that mean -- >> there is no country, look, understand this, i have traveled, and you all have traveled to africa, to europe, to asia. there is no place on planet earth where there are not racists. but one thing i can tell you -- >> right, that's my point. >> no country in the history of the world has come as far as we have in terms of race relations. charles: i agree with you there. here's the thing, eric, i think you're misunderstanding this. this is a poll of all americans. so it wasn't white racists who
said race relationships are getting worse. a larger portion of black people are saying that, a larger portion of white people are saying that. in other words, americans are saying that relationships have gotten worse. it's not about an individual or a small group of people being racist, it's about something's happened here. and i do think that a lot of it -- and i'll tell you my theory of president obama. when he won, president obama, naacp, they had an opportunity to say, okay, we've made a giant leap in this country toward being a more perfect union. but if they'd done that, the greatest strength had always been fear, anger, animosity. if you start to remove those, you remove your power base. maybe your organization loses all of its power, maybe you can't move the pieces around the table like you used to. >> part of it i do agree with. some people use fear mongering, that is true. but you take issues of police brutality, of police mistreating african-americans and stopping african-americans at an alarmingly high rate, that is what causes a lot of people to
create a more racial divide. and that's where the perceptions with social media, with cable news, with everything being able to show these things 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, that is why people -- >> a point of agreement. i'll give a point of agreement with eric. there is a perception problem. and the reason there's -- there's not a reality problem. the reality is, is race relations have never been better in our country as it is today. but there's no question that there is a perception that there's a racial problem. the reason is, is because one of the major two political parties -- i call it they have been al sharptonnizeed, you know? when barack obama was elected president, there was a great deal of promise and a great deal of hope that the race mongering, the racial racketeering of the sharptons and these types, that we would turn the page on that. charles: right. >> contrary to that, obama has empowered that agenda and made it a mainstream agenda of the democratic party. charles: i will tell you what i told stuart varney this morning, i look at my 18-year-old son and
his friends, i've got a lot of hope. i hope young americans can ignore the sharptonnization of this country, trying to hijack the word that you created just now. thanks a lot, fantastic. >> thank you. charles: coming up, we've got an ask payne for you. i increased my cash position, i am a little bit worried about the market near term. tweet me as much as you can, i'm @cb payne. we're going to try and answer almost all of your questions tonight. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ hi. hi. hi. hello. hi. hi. hi. hi my name's josh. kelly.
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streambeds, puddles, costs for small businesses. susan and hilary are back with us. you sent me a piece, $200,000 to get the fees, regulations, we're talking about puddles, like farmers punished for having a puddle on their land? >> all a part of the clean water regulation by the epa. this is indicative how out of touch this administration is with what happens in small business and in the real world. we are an era of hyperregulatory situation here. costs trillions of dollars, the regulation the government puts on business, and 55% of that regulation cost is borne by small businesses and you wonder why we can't create job, invest in our growth and small businesses are rebounding in a snail's pace while big companies are rebounding at a faster pace. charles: a shame, puddles, puddles we're talking about. now to answer your questions, steve wants to know if the market ends the year down is it
a bull market or cyclical bull. we can be down in the cyclical bull market. that is not too far fetched. >> depends on the sectors. turns out utilities are down and maybe commodities, not necessarily a bear market indicator. financials crack, then you have a problem. charles: charlie asked -- i like your thinking there, but remember you got to check the companies out. ceasars has issues. i would add cruise ships to that list as well. i love the way i think, what do you think? >> royal caribbean, norwegian cruise line, all will benefit. charles: susan, you think this is a bear market or cyclical bull market? >> i think it's a bull market. even though there is pullback in correction, that's a good buying opportunity and we're going to be in a bull market for several years. charles: very interesting after
pulling back this week. this has been an amazing stock, i love your thinking on it. probably a buy, 24, $23. so far it has worked absolutely amazing. i want to go to steve -- you are right! we are spoiled. golly, guys, think about this hilary. my phone rings off the hook every time we're down 1%, if we get hit on a 20% correction, what are you going to tell people? >> make sure that you have as of now, put cash aside so you can deploy it and not look at it as a chance to be scared and up in the middle of the night but as a buying opportunity. charles: and one of our favorites tweeted -- 5% dip, 10% pullback, 20% correction. work on a buy list for you guys over the weekend. yes, i happen to be at 30%,
too. we are simpatico. we made bigtime money this week. i did get hit on biogen but did extraordinarily well, and speaking of, which it's friday. we like to do an american salute, this one christina ray's cafe and founder roxanna mann. mann is fully blind opens her cafe with the help of a business enterprise program. she called the cafe. in order to be more hands on with the business, she found a voice-activated device, now she has opened three more locations recently and expects business to grow. get this, 250% next year. you are the epitome of what america is all about. for more stories like that, go to www.foxbusiness.com/charles payne. it was a tough week for us,
guys, we had bright spots, big money in amazon, gopro and lot of other names. next week is another very, very tough week. we've got important economic data and earnings. we'll be back. in the meantime, we'll leave you with the man himself, lou dobbs. keep it right here on fox business. lou: good evening, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. hillary clinton tonight facing possible scrutiny by the justice department after allegations she sent classified information in e-mails while heading the state department. government watchdogs for both the state department and the intelligence community discovered mrs. clinton sent at least four e-mails that contained classified information. they've now asked for investigations. also tonight, the obama administration lecturing israel over its opposition to the nuclear deal with iran. secretary of state kerry