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but they're they don't know what they're doing with indiscriminate bombing. neil: it is a mess, folks. paring losses that joaquin will not be as serious as we thought. who is right. with we know, situation on syria is not clear, it is a mess. now trish regan. trish: we have more coming, on the situation, neil. pentagon brief something about to happen. russian president vladmir putin telling us all, united states of america to stay out of his way. i'm trish regan. welcome to "the intelligence report." the administration really struggling to put together some kind of response in face of putin's surprise attack. we heard from josh earn e -- earnest. we will hear more from peter cook at pentagon. putin says he is attacking isis in syria but he's not. he is attacking anti-assad forces. assad is putin's buddy.
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he wants to keep this guy in power. so he is using excuse of launching attack on isis. the attack was never sanctioned by us. caught the white house completely surprise and putting american forces at risk. here we are being ordered around by a russian thug. maybe we're in this situation because our president was simply too naive. maybe he didn't understand the dangers we are facing and have faced. remember, he was actually the guy that made fun of mitt romney back in 2012 during the presidential debate for suggesting that putin was a threat. >> governor romney, i'm glad that you recognize that al qaeda's a threat because a few months ago when you were asked what the biggest geopolitical threat facing america you said russia, not al qaeda, you said russia. in the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, the cold war has been over for 20 years. trish: 20 years? guess what, mr. president?
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it is resurfacing and may not be so cold. breaking news, ashley webster, lt. colonel ralph peters and security analyst, kt mcfarland. we just heard from josh earnest, about to hear from peter cook, the spokesman at the pentagon. sounds to me, colonel, that you have a white house trying to backpeddle right now. >> first of all i agree with everything you said in your intro, vladmir putin is burning down our strategic house. president obama's position is, just wait. he will run out of matches. listening to josh earnest in that recent presser was embarrassing. he sounded like "baghdad bob," saddam hussein's old spokesman who kept saying things are fine while u.s. tanks are rolling into baghdad. now the white house narrative, they're grasping desperately for narrative, oh, boy, the russians are in trouble now. they can't possibly succeed. they got hammered in afghanistan. this isn't afghanistan. vladmir putin is different breed of cat. the vision of labor, iranian
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ground force, soviet, what is soviet, russian air power and some russian ground forces. bottom line is very straightforward. putin knows what he is doing. our president doesn't. >> oh, wow. goes back to him simply not being prepared. you saw that sound there, the 2012 debate. romney warning, kt, that putin is a threat and he laughs! >> i have very different take on this i used to think president obama was just naive and incompetent and he would eventually learn on the job and get wise. i have now concluded no. the president knows exactly what he is doing. his idea is that america is not a force for good in the world. that the united states, which you hear under republicans particularly under george bush was not a force of peace and stability if the united states take as step back, lead from behind, somehow this global community will step forward, world peace will ensue and yet what we found -- >> then we woke up. >> we have woken up. he hasn't.
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trish: i was a student of history. i think back to world war ii. i asked president poroshenko, president of ukraine whether he drew any comparisons to the territorial land grab we're seeing from vladmir putin and of course one of the most heinous people in all history, adolf hitler, he said yes. there are very serious similarities here. you know if you think back, historically to the u.s. at that time we didn't want to be involved. we didn't want anything to do with it. sure enough that came back to really hurt everyone. sometimes we heard from israel today. >> yes. trish: you have got to stand up. >> you do. vladmir putin is mob boss. he only understands power and strength. the moment you start showing weakness he will take advantage of it. he took advantage of the u.s. over crimea. he is doing it now in the middle east. president obama and this administration is just stepping back and letting it happen. trish: i want to get to some sound from some of the candidates. we talk about this isolationist principle. trump embraces it here.
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he was talking to our very own charles payne of the he is out there saying look, let the russians deal with it. they can run out of money dealing with this whole problem. listen to this. i would like to get everyone's reaction. >> i love the fact that the russia is spending a lot of their money, a lot of their machine power and we're not necessarily going to have to spend as much. i think that is okay. it's syria. trish: okay. so he is saying let them deal with it. i don't want to deal with it. >> naive. trish: what is danger. you say it is naive. what is the danger, cool nell, in that kind of policy? >> as we should have learned on 9/11, we can not divorce ourself from the world, the world comes to us anyway. you don't have to engage in every conflict or send massive numbers of ground troops. that donald trump, this equine derriere. he has no idea what he is talking about. trish: what did you say? >> equine. trish: okay.
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[audio trouble] >> the bottom line here, is that, we can't afford another, another president who has no idea what he is doing. trump, behind all the noisy rhett work haircut he doesn't know what he is taking about. trish: what is vladmir putin going to do. >> here is what you will see in the next few weeks. russians begin to fly combat missions knot just targeting isis but in order to prop assad. he will turn to other countries in the reason, america is no longer reliable ally, egypt. america is no longer reliable ally, saudi arabia rely on us. what he is doing trying to replace us as the single most
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power broker in the middle east. this president is allowing it. trish: you have a president allowing it. this is marco rubio by the way a few weeks ago outlining what he thought putin was going to do. sure we are, we were completely blindsided. shaking hands with putin. doing photo-ops. the is a down with meeting had no idea this would happen? >> or if he did have any idea it was going to happen, looked in other direction and assumed it wouldn't dare happen. look how the russian did it. sent a three-star russian general, senior russian military leader, walked into the american embassy in baghdad and basically slaps the giy in the face, the american defense attache. you have hour to get out of syria, we're bombing. that is not just a slap in the face. that is like a punch in the jaw. that was meant to humiliate the united states. we don't care, middle east fighting each other for millennial, here is why you care. you care because of israel,
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survival of the state of israel. you care if iran and russia and iraq and syria are aligned in the region, that means everybody else in the region won will go suck up to iran and particularly to russia. the third reason, controlling world oil supply. if russia, iran, iraq, maybe ultimately saudi arabia, if they're an alliance, they control majority of the world's exported oil, control that, control the world's economy. trish: they are jockeying for position. let me ask you about europe. one thesis floated, in part vladmir putin's goal. weakens europe going into syria, because you have more refugees spilling over into europe. that helps him to expand his power base. he wants ukraine. there are maybe other parts of eastern europe he wants. why is this a big deal for -- >> spreading his power base. as kt just said, from the
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middle east point of view, if that power base does get set up as russia would like it, they could get control of the oil or a big part of it. that would have tremendous impact on the u.s. and u.s. economy. of course creating global instability. if putin then takes continues, also pushing on eastern front of europe, into the ukraine, and believe me, he is has not given up on that at all, then you have all the republics, latvia, belarus, all still very nervous. trish: kt, you think this is president deliberately doing this. colonel peters, want to get your assessment. we are about to hear from the pentagon. we just heard from the white house. seems like there is trying to deal with the negative press as a result of airstrikes in syria. how do you spin this one. >> you nailed it. their focus is not dealing with russia but their focus is spinning it. it is an absolute disgrace. the reporters have not been
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asking right questions, unless i missed it. what really matters are tactical details. what result rules of engagement for our pilots fighting over syria. can they defend themselves. are they carrying air-to-air or air to ground missiles under their wings. or has obama ordered them stripped off to show they're not hostile? we have pilots flying more afraid of our own lawyers than they are of the enemy. so there is that. the other thing you have to understand in the tactical operational level as we say in the military, driving the population out of syria, not only hurts nato, divides europe which putin is glad to do, but helps assad control the terrain. assad is willing to depopulate vast swaths of his own country to control that country and kt and i agree, saying this all week, putin is trying to erect a wall of states in conjunction with iran and other shia -- trish: if he gets syria, he can
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get iran. >> he has got iran. he has iran. trish: controls the middle east again? >> i think ultimately potential genocide against christians and sunnis who is taking out of the region? who are fleeing region? sunnis and christians? who is staying put to reorganize? it is shiites. this doesn't stop now. this gets much worse. potential i worry about if you have americans and russians in the same airspace and nobody has new rules of engagement, what does american pilot do if sees russian aircraft? they don't have new rules of engagement. we could bump into each other in terrible accidental collision. trish: go ahead, colonel. >> as i wrote in the "new york post" last monday, i think there is a very good chance that putin will order to shoot-down of a u.s. drone or a coalition aircraft if he is smart or man u.s. aircraft. trish: why? >> because he can. he wants to humiliate obama.
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a non-response to that would humiliate the american military and show for all the fancy equipment it is worthless. putin has weak military but he is willing to use it. he is not worried about collateral damage or civilian casualties or geneva convention. he is not worried about lawyers. he is all about winning. >> as kt pointed out on the set other day. this is guy did his college thesis how russia could regain its greatness. kt you have been following it. >> yeah. what happens if he does shoot down american aircraft or american drone and will say that was accident. we didn't mean it. this terrible thing happened. we warned you to stay out of our space. what would the united states do? if we do nothing the world looks at that, putin third-rate military can take out americans and americans crawl into the alpha dog position. >> he is filling vacuum created by this administration's lack of action, backbone.
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>> that symbol system important. trish: that symbolism. he been poking at us all along. now it is ratcheting up. >> at home he has an economy that's collapsing. this suits him very well to lead a foreign sortie because it takes attention away from what is going on inside of his own country. trish: petering cook, speaking there at -- peter cook speaking at pentagon. >> defense department and russian defense officials held a secure videoconference to discuss mechanisms for the conduct of safe air operations over syria. this meeting was an initial step as agreed by president obama and president putin earlier this week to insure no accidents occurred as a result of russia's commencement of airstrikes over syria. the videoconference lasted a little over an hour and was cordial and professional. u.s. provided initial proposal to enhance safety, prevent miscalculation an avoid actions or operations that could escalate tensions.
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russians outlined some of their own ideas. both sides agreed to consider the proposals to provide feedback in coming days. during the discussion, acting assistant secretary of defense international security affairs, alyssa slotkin reiterated secretary carter's position that focus should be on defeating isil. that areas targeted by russia so far are not isil strongholds. she made clear the immediate priority should be steps to assure safety of air crews, some steps outlined by united states to achieve that air crews should follow international rules of safety of flight, insure navigation through professional airmanship and appropriate and active communications and avoiding actions that could cause unnecessary confrontation. meantime the united states and coalition will continue our ongoing air operations as we have from the very beginning. we conduct ad number of strikes against isil targets in syria over the past 24 hours. these strikes will continue. and with that, we are happy to
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take questions. >> peter, two questions on the follow up on that. what was russian reaction to alyssa's comments about the doubts about their, who they're striking? can you give at least some context about what they may have said in response? did they defend it? and secondly, the general this morning suggested that the u.s. would obviously not likely to share intelligence with the russians. that it would mostly be focused on making sure planes don't run into each other. is that an accurate assessment? >> on your first question, i'm not getting into the details of the call itself. i will let the russians speak for themselves. i will say simply that, again it was cordial and professional. secretary slotkin made her points clearly to the russians. there was engagement back and
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forth in terms of some of the ideas put on the table and a general agreement both sides would consult with their ministries and decide on the next step forward. including the possibility of another call, another secure videoconference in the coming days. >> second part? >> and the second part, we don't have any plans to share intelligence with the russians. and, and i'll just leave it at that? phil. >> peter have there been any, any communications, any communication with russia so far including on this call, that would be a warning to them, say well, you warned syrian government to stay away from u.s. operations or risk some sort of retaliation and would the united states have any legal authority to strike russia were it to go after moderate and syrian rebels supported by united states? the united states said it would go after assad's forces if it were to strike syrian rebels
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supported by united states. has that position also been translated toward russia and has the pentagon communicated that? >> again i'm not getting into details of the call itself. other than to say this was a cordial and professional exchange between the two governments, between these two defense departments. with regard to the your second question, i'm not going to get into hypothetical situations as well. we have made clear the importance of the moderate syrian opposition in terms of syria's political future and that anything done to harm that moderate syrian opposition is coupler productive to the end result we believe is necessary and is a political transition in syria. this will not be solved militarily. so we made that point clear from the start and we'll continue to do so. >> but is the united states -- trish: pentagon spokesperson, peter cook, telling the world that there was a videoconference call that took place this morning between russian military
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officials and u.s. military officials that it was quote, cordial and professional. they considered various proposals including need to insure safety of all americans that are flying there through that airspace and of course avoid any unnecessary confrontations. he also said that the u.s. will continue its airstrikes against isis and that the critical thing is that there needs to be a political transition there. that this can not be accomplished fully with our military. i'm back with the entire panel. i have here with me, ashley webster and kt mcfarland as well as colonel peters. joining from d.c. i was struck by the word, cordial and professional. just 24 hours ago we of course heard ash carter, defense secretary saying one of the problems with the russians in all of they were not, quote professional. which struck me i don't know that i necessarily assume that the russians are going to be quote, professional. that is our starting point when we start to do business with these guys. but anyway, they have been
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cordial and professional. we had a videoconference call. what kind of position are we in military, colonel peters? >> we're in very bad position. i'm glad you asked that question, putin is always underestimating the west because they have bad table manners and didn't go to the right prep school like john kerry. he is brilliant guy. i don't like him but he is brilliant. look how he set it up. timetable, waited until obama trapped himself with the iran nuke deal. now obama won't do anything to offend iran. we foolishly dispersed our military advisors throughout iraq. ones in kurd cities dan are safe. but helmand it they are instant hostages. don't underestimate this. if there were air-to-air confrontation, a good chance our turkish allies would tell us we can't use incirlik air base to
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respond. we're really, amy old drill sergeant used to say -- >> we're now talking about deconflicting. having cordial, professional phone conversations. what the president should do. increase defend spending. arm ukrainians. arm sunnis. egypts, jordanians. >> hire is why. don't stand up to putin now. don't say you go to war with putin. he is looking at, pick up pockets in the other pocket. just done the middle east. he will take ukraine next.
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that is what i'm watching next. he is distracting our attention. the world attention is now focused on syria and middle east. trish: something ukraine is very concerned about. >> with interview you had. trish: president of ukraine had to say about vladmir putin, flat-out, called him a liar. listen to this. is he lying when he says that? >> yes. trish: does he do a lot of that? >> i think this is the part very powerful russian propaganda. against ukraine and europe and against united states. >> yeah. telling fox they are responding to a report of shooting on campus. got call at 10:30 a.m. this morning. 10 people are said to be dead there this in that shooting. 20 people are hurt. this is shooting at ucc campus
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there. they're advising that people stay away from that area. we are told that it is an active shooter situation. so again, college campus shooting there at ucc. authorities are saying that people should stay aware from the areas. >> this is in oregon? this is in oregon, right, the community college in oregon? trish: correct. >> yes. trish: it is in oregon. >> yes. trish: so we have cleared up number incidents over the years. tragic of 10 people are reported to be dead. 20 people reported to be injured >> oh. trish: every time you see one of these things, ashley, it's, it is in some ways disheartening, and this one in particular, because you're talking about 10 fatalities already and they have not yet caught the shooter. >> no. again will lead to all this conversation, how do we make
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campuses safe? what do we do? we have metal detectors. we have officers stationed at schools. very dreadfully sad, awful situation. again we'll have the national debate. of course we don't know any details what happened here. obviously tragedy. >> terrible thing every time one of these things happen, people go pack after the fact, there were some signs. there were some indications. look at facebook page. look at twitter account. why did we not see it coming? trish: we'll continue monitoring this. do we have, additional information that bringing to us. 10 people now dead. 20 people now hurt. this is a small community college in oregon. do we have any -- the shooter is down. we're learning the ore bonn shooting -- oregon shooting situation is somewhat contained. the shooter is said to be down right now. they're getting information right now in from authorities. ashley, again, these, we've had an alarming number of these incidents. >> yes. trish: over the last several
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years. a lot of people are asking why. what is it that happened in our culture and our society where you're seeing growing number of random shooting situation. >> what compels someone to grab a gun, take out whatever it is going on in their mind, take it out on fellow students, if it's a student at this college. why they go on these types of rampages. to kt's point, one of the best defenses if you have any concern about someone and their mental state, and belief could be cape ab, say something ahead of time, not reflect afterwards. i know that is difficult call because you don't want to raise the flag on someone who may not be that way, almost impossible to stop. you have to ask yourself what can you do to can taken it. >> i think there is stuff we can do. it is all new. metadata analytics, take layering databases upon databases where you spot people before they have a problem. we use it in the terrorism world, where you look at people, who is potential terrorist? what is the potential target for
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terrorist attack? you can potentially use that same kind of metadata analytics. >> to get red flag warning. >> take a closer look at somebody. trish: to bring additional information to our viewers the shooter allegedly went from building to building at this community college there in oregon. no information on the shooter, whether it's a man. whether it's a woman. we're continuing to get details as they come forward to us, but again the situation is said to be contained. shooter is down. 20 people hurt. 10 people dead. again the shooter is down there at the the community college in oregon that was effectively under attack. we got reports as of 10:30 this morning. you're absolutely right, kt, there is so much information available online via facebook and via twitter, most of these cases they see it coming. >> there are warning signs.
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we have to figure out using our own technology how to take warning signs and put them together to say look at somebody. >> reports now, 15 dead, trish. trish: reports said 20 who are injured. we have reporter coming to us. >> community college in oregon. i'm not sure where that in relation to portland or cities in oregon. umpqua community college. trish: do we know anything about the community as our researchers and producers -- >> fox news reporting -- trish: colonel still here with us, colonel peters in d.c., tragic situation just unfolding, just moments ago there, 15 people now dead.
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20 said to be injured. this shooter went from building to building there on this college campus, small community college there in oregon. as we were discussing sometimes you have information ahead of time. sometimes there are warning signs. often times there are warning signs. do we need as society to be more vigilant in terms of trying to spot this stuffbefore it happens? >> it woo be great if we could. would be great if we could. civil rights lawyers will not let us do that point out, please, as soon as we find out who the person, possibly her but probably him famous. part of the problem, we're trapped. in the media we have to report the news. people want to know. when we report it we make the guy famous and other nutcases in their mom's basement think, wow, i want to be famous too. we're in trap. i don't have a solution. i firmly believe people join
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islamic state, wow, and vent you are and glory, my crummy little life will be transformed. people who aren't muslims or christians or baha'i or whatever, go on rampage, wow, this is my chance to be a star. we make them a star. >> can we do anything about it, ralph? is there a way to kt's point or notice or know the warning signs to try to stop it before it happens or is that impossible? >> there are, we're a nation of over 300 million people. if 1% of the population was nuts, that is 3 million people. and it is higher than 1%, folks. you can't track everybody all the time. we can do better. obviously parent need to do better. educators need to do better. watch for warning signs. i agree with all of that but at end of the day i really believe this era of mass communications where you do something monstrous and become nationally or internationally famous is conundrum, a challenge for which
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i do not have a solution but we need to recognize it. >> there always have been crazy people. in any society there were crazy people. in the good ol' days people were crazy and people in the neighborhood knew about it. the crazy person can go on internet to make weapons of mass destruction or pressure cooker bombs or hook up with a jihadist group. he gets the craziness whooped up so he becomes an active agent of evil. if he is connecting in internet one way or the other, there should be a way via internet we could find him. trish: again, we have a reporter who will be joining us momentarily there on the scene. we're looking to get in touch with authorities there as we have -- >> 180 miles south of portland, oregon. small community college. umpqua community college. small town community college. >> these are kids, 18, 19, 20-year-olds. trish: this picture we're
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looking at, i'm asking control room to confirm the picture what we're seeing in this is the community college. google earth. this is where situation began unfolding 10:30 a.m. this mornings, resulting in death of 15 people. this shooter is said to have gone from building to building hunting young people down. 20 people now said to be injured. we are getting additional information about this college that is in southwestern oregon. said to be about 180 miles south of portland. umpqua community college. roughly 3,000 people, 3,000 students attend there. the website for the community college is down as they deal with this tragedy there. we're learning that 15 have died there at this community college. 20 are said to have been injured. the shooter was going from building to building. it is amazing, in some ways, colonel, he was that successful
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in terms of being able or she, to go to that many buildings in succession of time, to shoot that many people before they were able to apprehend. >> yeah. well, my response to that is going to make me unpopular with lot of viewers but i will tell you, i believe in the second amendment. i'm a gun owner. but founding fathers did not intend for every drugged up psycho to have machine gun collection
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there is a problem we must recognize. >> you do not want to be the wild west either. the tragedy about all of this is smoke and unity colleges. those families live right where they are children are going to school. chances are whoever took that gun, going building to building is someone from that community. >> joining us on the phone is a former nypd detective.
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walk us through just what exactly happens when a situation like this begins. why was issued able to go building the building before being contained. >> it is difficult to speak with any precision. the reality is that an active shooter situation is a couple went into place immediately relative to law-enforcement. they want to pay. they want to identify. it is still very sketchy. the active shooter on the loose in the school is an absolutely -- submerging the criminal
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action. >> .they have a security guard? no one could contained this. is it faster? >> 700 officers. every single one is unarmed. they are unarmed civilians. they are not active. that is the way it is done in schools. that is the nature of the piece. the reality is, i will bet you, dollars to donuts, that there is a security officer at that school, he or she is unarmed. >> having a security guard there.
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detective, looking for some additional details and can bring them to us now. >> what i can tell you right this very minute is that i am part of -- 16,000 part-time students. establish in 1964. it is not a big campus. it is not a big school. of course, this morning, law-enforcement officers responding to a report with multiple casualties. it turned out to be far worse than that, as we know now. the location, roseburg, the town here. along interstate five. halfway along the borders of washington and california. what we can tell you is this is still developing. you have already reported that the shooter has been contained. we are still getting details of what has happened here. i will send it back to you.
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as soon as i have more, i welcome back. >> 3000 students in attendance. >> in a situation like this, we should be careful on how many people are being killed, how many are being injured. fox reported 15 deaths at one point. we are uncertain at this time. those numbers and the facts will change. there was a shooting on a small college campus. we do believe there are fatalities. >> we do not know what the motivations were. whether female or male. there are warning signs and it is important to society, family, friends to recognize before hand. we now have a professor joining us right now. give us your reactions on the situation unfolding. okay. he will be joining us momentarily.
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i want to go back. colonel, just bringing up what i consider a pretty important point here. we have security in many places. they are pretty defenseless in the face of a murderer like this. in terms of oregon and what you saw today. >> yes. you want to arm guards where we need armed guards. you want well-trained people. that is a key. you have to be well-trained. a gunfight between a shooter and someone that is not well-trained. there are so many things. it becomes a question of funding. can the school or hospital or other institution afford quality cards? there are many, many factors here. everything we talk about, at the end of the day, we have to focus
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on the fact that it sounds like there are at least 10 families that just lost kids. maybe more. this is a human tragedy. i circle back to what i say about copycats and the media. killing more americans in the last four years on our soil then have terrorists. >> on that note, stay with us. i want to ask you, professor, we just heard colonel peter stress, copycats are very much a concern of people in these coming days. walk us through, if you can, the mentality of a mass murderer. someone like this that would go in and shoot innocent people. is there a commonality? >> sure there is. almost everyone of them are frustrated angry. they feel that work, at school and relationships. they blame other people for
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their problems. that is a key part about externalizing blame. they often time did not have very strong support systems in their lives. they either live alone or don't have people they can turn to. our point here is that profile fits thousands, hundreds of thousands of americans. there is no way that we can reliably identify school shooters, mass murderers before they strike. >> what you do say that there is a commonality. there are no warning signs? >> they are not red flags, they are yellow flags. the point is that in every community, there are people who are angry. they want revenge. 99.9% will not act on those feelings. we cannot round up people and
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lock them up because they are depressed. or because they don't smile. because they don't have friends and are angry. we can reach out to them to provide some promotional support. unfortunately, these events, which are still rare, there has not been an epidemic of mass shootings, and is not on the rise -- >> it feels that way. we certainly talk about these situations at length when they do happen. i think that there is a concern that we are seeing more and more of these, professor. >> but we are not. the data says otherwise. we had a theater shooting where two were killed in louisiana a couple months ago. those things have happened in the past. we are now very much aware and attuned to shootings in public places. when they happen, they are reported.
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hearing the term all the time. the risk is not any higher than it was. they are rare in defense. the price we have to pay for the freedoms we enjoy in our lives. freedom not to be arrested because we looked dangerous. the freedom of some people to own guns. >> bill daley also joining us. former fbi agent. we have been talking about whether or not these things can be prevented. whether or not there are warning signs. whether or not someone will snap before it happens. what have you seen in your career experience? >> looking at the lens. we did not know right now if this person is from the campus.
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having said that, they sometimes have yellow flags. over a long period of time. people said i thought this person seemed to be this way, that way. not as clear. that are the actions that people can take ahead of time. i have seen these things being stressed out there in corporate america. it is schools of higher education and middle schools and etc. being prepared for the situation. the better you can respond, the quicker you can mitigate. >> one of the fears or concerns here is that authorities cannot respond quickly enough.
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the actual security guard that is there on campus that is supposed to be protecting everyone, they are not armed. they cannot descend these things. >> we talk a lot about arming security people. the benefit of having fully trained people, properly trained. the weapons are not used. actually, it is in the form of letting down the facility. how to isolate locations. how to evacuate people. how to communicate with people what is happening. it is not so much about intervening with personnel. it is really mitigating exposure. active shooter programs detector shooting training skills at schools and colleges and corporations, there really focus
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more at being able to get mercy services they are and have the organization prepared to communicate to people. tell them and let them know what is happening. people are there that should not be. there is a lot of preparation. >> stay with us, professor. i want to share with you all. there was an interview, by fox, with one of the students that is they are on campus. the student said, and i quote, " feel like he is safe. he does not know anything yet. there is some shelter in place. it is surprising to people around him. they did not hear anything. we were all rushed into a room and have not heard anything since." you can imagine how scary this
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situation must be like that. we also have former detective steve rogers from new jersey on the phone. detective rogers, can you hear me? >> thank you. >> detective rogers, what, what would you be doing in a situation if you are out there in oregon right now and you got reports of this? you were called in, what were the steps? try to deal with the aftermath of this shooting? >> the first thing bullies are police are doing right now is making sure that everyone on that campus is locked down and safe. as well as the surrounding area. multiple agencies will be coming in. they will make sure that there is not another shooting. unfortunately, so much going over to social media. people are getting into a panic mode. police are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. they are getting accurate
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information out as fast as possible. you will have multiple scenes of law-enforcement% no just to look for any other possible shooters. >> there is always a fear of a copycat situation. >> well, yes. that is always, always the case. other venues around the country are being very, very vigilant right now to make sure that that does not happen. >> 15 families, we were getting reports that 15 individuals may have been killed in this incident. >> this is, there is no words that can express what is happening here. i have to tell you this, too, police agency from your task force down to local agencies, they will look at the background of the shooter, they will look at the social media that this
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person was on, any connections to anyone else, including terrorist groups, right now, i believe that there is no connection. everything about the shooter. who he has been associated with. who he has been talking to. that will be checked out by the police. >> you have children. we've all got children. college students. even nursery children. everyone has a plan. how do you shelter everyone? the fact that this shooter was able to go to building to building and somehow continue to kill is pretty stunning. at the end of the day, teachers rely on what is here. you are not calling 911 and thinking i will be there in six minutes. >> go-ahead rolf. >> very important thing. the element of surprise. i have seen this in the military.
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throughout military history. you can be very, very, very well prepared. it is the guy or the gal that you don't expect. the very quiet person. all of a sudden, they are there and they are shooting. the reaction time is not simultaneous. you need well-trained guards because otherwise, they are worthless. bottom line in all of this for me -- >> you have to be prepared. we do not know how many buildings this shooter went to. authorities are reporting that they went from building to building. if that is the case, it must have taken some amount of time. >> we have a tweet. it seems it was a student. is that correct? this person tweets, students are
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running everywhere. holy gun. there has been an enormous amount of terror in those students lies. a small community. a small community college. >> this is a small town. everybody knows everybody else. they have been together since kindergarten. the fact is it is probably somebody within that community. >> you do not know. it began at 10:30 a.m. this morning. gerri willis. a horrific tragedy. >> that is right. taking a look at how this played out today. 10:30 a.m. west coast time. responding to a call of a shooting on campus. they said that they got no other information at this time. the fire district been saying to
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eating active shooter at you cc. please stay away from the area. then, we get a tweet. students are running everywhere. holy gun. seeing what was going on. by 735, we began to get the reports of possible casualties. i have to tell you, it is not clear at this time how many deaths we may have. 10:15 a.m. authorities are not making it clear quite yet what they found. this all began happening at 10:30 a.m. west coast time. three hours behind us, as you know. slowly coming together. the pieces falling in place. continuing to look at the reports from there. beginning to see what people are talking about. i think that kt makes a good point.
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a small and close-knit community. certainly, our hearts go out. >> one of the questions you have to ask these days now as well is could this be a terrorist situation. colonel peters, that is the reality that we confront now. it could be a deranged individual. it could also be a terrorist situation. these are things that authorities looked through and consider when they hear these reports. >> certainly, all of that is true. you hear a lot of smart opinions from a lot of smart people. i will go back to what i said earlier. that is not inside of the human tragedy. this is really a monstrous event. the thing is in our psychology and media, killing one person or the abduction of one grower twins, we get real excited about the identities.
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when you get up to 10, 15, 20, it starts to blur for us and becomes a mess. human beings trying to get an education. they are dead. >> do we still have the professor with us? i would like to talk, they are, all of these individuals, the family so hugely affected by it, what is the process of dealing with this grief in the aftermath that is horrific? okay. the professor is not with us. michael, what is it, if you had just been in oregon and got gotten this report and you needed to be on the scene, what is the process that you would be walking through to try to determine how this happened?
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>> the challenge here is the first report always tend to be off. the best thing you have to do is really locked down the information. the second thing you have to do is make sure that there are no other incidents that could be happening. it always runs through your mind, is this an isolated event or are there other things that are happening? you have to be in touch with other institutions. are they seeing anybody? what are the circumstances? was this one individual? did the individual have helped. the police have identified, they need to find out if anybody knows them. if anybody knows them internally and externally. >> i just want to keep everyone updated here on this unfolding tragedy in oregon. umpqua community college. services 3000 students.
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had a shooting attack there today. a gunman went from building to building shooting at individuals. we are told that upwards of 20 people were shot at. we have heard reports between 10 and 20 are deceased. as many as 20 may be injured. it all unfolded beginning at 10:30 a.m. this morning on the west coast. the situation now contains the shooter is down. again, back to the -- >> now, that community will never be the same. >> it looks like a pretty rural community. >> this is supposed to be the heartland. where everybody, you know -- >> i used to live in california.
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the mac part of american innocence. >> now coming into us. that college campus, that community college in oregon. at least 10 people have died from this massive shooting. you can see an ambulance as they try to load an individual. as many as 20 injuries they are in oregon. the situation is contained. the shooter is down. the gunmen is male. shot upwards of 20 people there on campus. they got reports this morning indicating that the suspect is actually down. they have multiple ambulances on the scene. you just saw a picture of one of them. michael balboni still here with us. do you have any sense, michael,
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whether or not it is domestic or whether it is actually terrorism? can you make that assessment early on? >> no. very, very difficult. a key focus of the investigation. this obviously reminds us of all the horrible virginia tech shootings and columbine. targeting a school. a security group always figures that soft targets are who you have to pay attention to. college campuses are a part of this soft target mosaic. typically a small community. they have the value, the media sense that you have attacking that kind of target. therefore, we tend to think that this -- >> i want to share with you.
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20,000 people. >> they will never be the same. >> most definitely. most definitely. fifteen people have been killed. another 20 there won't did. michelle bailey still with us on the phone. absolutely right. we tend to forget in every day hustle and bustle of life. just how fragile it all is turns out that didn't happen. and that's why we have to
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cherish the moments we have with our loves ones. at the same time, i think all of us individually need to be thinking in any of these circumstances whether you're at work, whether you're at school, from that security perspective, what would i do? a lot of this does come down to being prepared and having people to protect us whether it be armed people or just plan, but ultimately a lot of this does reside with individuals. you almost need to be responsible for your own self-awareness. what would you do when you went into a room, a hotel where, is the nearest fire exit, what do i do in the event something is to happen? we should be thinking about that. trish: you're trained in that way, and anybody who works for the military or who's worked in law enforcement, there's a part of you, you think a little differently, you've constantly been in the situations and trained to think that way. everyday americans, not like you walk into a movie theater and want to know where the
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quickest exit is in case something happens. and bill, isn't it a tragedy that everyday people do, in your view have, to think of these things? >> it is, it's certainly a tragedy we have to think of these things, right? i think the side effect of these incidents is that more and more people are saying i have to do this. i can't just rely on people that are running the school, who are running my company. i ultimately need to be in control. what would do i in the circumstance? it is tragic and unfortunate but it is one of those life moments where you have to say, okay, if i'm going to take care of myself, i wish everybody else would be able to do that. i'm not going there to be my own protection, i'm going to school, on to work, going to enjoy a movie, we are responsible for our own destiny. trish: thank you for joining me, and thank you for being here, a tragic day. there was a shooting on an
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oregon community college campus which left at least ten people dead, over 20 people injured. shooter going from building to building at the college. we know that the shooter is down. the situation appears to be contained. we're awaiting more information on those injuries and fatalities. i'm going to send it over to liz. liz: i'll take it, trish, thank you very much. we are with breaking news learning more about the deadly shooting at umpqua community college. if you are just joining us, the dow is down 44 points, so this really doesn't matter at the moment. what matters is what's going on, on the screen. the college in roseburg, oregon, by the minute here's what we know. there are 15 people dead. 20 wounded, according to local media reports. there are also reports that the shooter is in police custody. we do not know his condition yet, we do know he is a male. there it is roseburg, south of eugene, oron


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