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this morning on "sunday morning futures." well, the pressure is mounting for wisconsin congressman paul ryan. as his house colleagues urge him to enter the race to succeed outgoing house speaker john boehner. this after majority leader kevin mccarthy stunning withdrawal this past week. ryan, the chairman of the house ways and means committee and the 2012 gop vice presidential nominee is reportedly taking the weekend to soul search over a possible bid. sources tell fox news that speaker boehner may stay on in his current post until a candidate can secure the required 218 vote majority. joining us now, 12 term congressman peter king of new york. he served on the house homeland security committee. and is also chairman of the subcommittee on campus terrorism and intelligence. joining us is mimi walters of california, serving on the judiciary and transportation committees. good to see you both. thank you for joining us.
>> thank you. >> thank you. >> congressman king, what can you tell us about paul ryan this weekend? do you think he's going to take the job? >> i certainly hope he does. he can understand why he would be reluctant to. paul is certainly has tremendous status, very smart guy, committed to the republican party, to true conservative principles. he has the proven record. he has to decide whether or not it is worth for him to make this sacrifice and really would be a sacrifice. there is no glory in this job, no perks in this job, this is a year round, every day of the year you're working on it, one as far as policy, managing the house, involving campaign fund-raising, being the public face of the party and at the same time, it is -- going to be many people within the party taking shots at him as well as democrats who will be well organized. having said that, i think it would be an outstanding speaker. i would fully support him. he's the one person who could bring the party together.
so not so much for his sake but our sake, i hope he decides to run. >> congresswoman -- bringing the party together is really a critical point here. what would you like to see take place and do you think that that person is out there to actually cater to both sides, all the divisions that are pretty evident this -- today, within the party. >> listen, i remember what ronald reagan used to say. if i could get 80% of what i want, then it is a win. and both sides have to give a little bit, i do believe we will find somebody talented to lead us and to unite us if paul decides he does not want to take on the speakership. but i also really hope he decides that he wants to do this. he would be the right person for this job. and, you know, we got to do the american people's work. and i think he's the perfect person to lead us. so my hope is he comes back to washington, d.c. next week and says i'm ready to take on
speakership jobs. >> you think we'll find out next week? >> i hope so. i hope we do. >> plenty to talk about with you both. want to find out from you who you think are the alternatives. if not congressman and congresswoman. stay with us. first an in depth look at how paul ryan arrived at this crucial moment. eric shawn with that angle. >> good morning, everyone. will he or won't he? well, we may have that answer as the congresswoman said, by the time congress reconvenes next week. paul ryan spending this long weekend with his family, trying to decide if he will take that promotion. >> if paul ryan runs, clearly he would -- he would be somebody that i would support. i think paul ryan is the right person to do this. >> it seems everyone at the office is pushing him to be the boss. but what if you don't want it? ryan privately considering making the move to house speaker, we're told, spending this weekend at home in janesville, wisconsin, milling
it over with his family. major considerations are his wife, their three young children. ryan has called the speakership a job for empty nesters. family versus duty. can they be reconciled? >> he likes to go back home on the weekends to wisconsin to spend time with those kids. so there is that element of it. he's also trying to think about whether or not this is a job he really wants. >> ryan, of course, will have to corral various conservatives of the freedom caucus. they helped dump john boehner and kevin mccarthy from the top spot. last year ryan told the associated press this about why he refuses to move up. quote, one of the reasons why i've always passed elected leadership positions up in the house, you know, speaker, leader, all the things people ask you to run for, is because it takes away from your family even more. i've made career decisions based on family balance and part of that is because of my own upbringing and my own childhood.
>>yan knowing him a little bit cares about this country and whether or not he does this, he'll do what is right for his family and what is right for the country. >> when he was 15 years old, ryan found his alcoholic father dead in bed of an apparent heart attack. a searing trauma that has shaped him. that means his decision will be far more personal than political. >> eric shawn with the latest there. now with peter king of new york and nene walters of california. congresswoman, we were talking about paul ryan being the shoo-in here. if he says no, who else is on the bench, would you say? if not him, who? >> well, there has been talk about perhaps having an interim speaker until the next congress is elected. people like john kline who has announced he's going to retire. or candice miller who announced she's going to retire, perhaps
having somebody to serve out the rest of this congress. those -- both of those would be great people to lead us and just a couple of names. >> yeah, i guess congressman king, well, if you have anybody to add to that, congressman, do so. i want to get your take on the benghazi committee at this point. here you have kevin mccarthy making that statement about the benghazi committee being political. this morning a gop investigator saying republicans on the benghazi panel fired him over a clinton focus. how would you characterize the status of this benghazi committee at this point? >> well, first of all, let me just say i think there are very real issues about benghazi going back to the preparation as far as security. also the aftermath where obviously misstatements and in many cases lies were told. there are real issues there. number one. secondly, i'm not involved with the committee. but i do know trey gowdy. i have tremendous respect for him. having been in congress a long time, i have never seen an investigation with so much has
been kept behind closed doors. so much has been kept away from the media. that's a real plus for trey gowdy. very few items leaked out, professional staff, so to me this shows he's very intense, very serious about getting the job done. there are no cheap shots here. as far as that one staffer, i've also been in congress long enough to know you get people rubbed the wrong way, they end up having an ax to grind, take things out of context. if i have to decide between trey gowdy and anonymous staffer or previously unknown staffer, i will side with trey gowdy. >> i guess congressman walters, you got to remember that we did learn about the e-mail scandal. and the private server as a result of the information and much of the reporting within the benghazi committee. >> four americans died in benghazi, and we have to get to the bottom of why they died. and this hearing has all been -- has been all about getting to
the facts. and it is important that we have these hearings and secretary clinton just happened to be secretary of state at the time, and so naturally, you know, her name is going to come up in these hearings. but it doesn't stop us from doing our work, we have got to get to the bottom of what happened. >> understood. congressman king, let me ask you before you go on this iran missile test that we're learning today, breaking news that there is a report that iran is testing long range ballistic missiles. semiofficial news agency is reporting that the country has successfully test fired a new guided long range ballistic surface to surface missile. is this violating the iran nuclear agreement already? >> maria, if those reports are true, it shows iran never intended to comply with the agreement. iran, you would think, in the first few months after the agreement would attempt to show good faith. whether they intended it or not. at least go through the motions. the fact they are so quick to be flagrantly really spinning in
the face of the united states, of israel, of the world, shows that they are committed to do whatever they have to do and this agreement is just a vehicle for them to move forward. it was the worst agreement that our country had ever entered into and iran is showing right now it has no regard for international law, no regard for bringing about any type of peace or stability and more than other we see why netanyahu is so correct and president following reports. good to have you on the program today. thank you so much. we'll be watching the developments. thank you. an army officer now recommending that sergeant bowe bergdahl face no jail time. right move? we'll talk to a former commander of the delta force live next. follow me on twitte twitter @mariabartiromo. stay with us. we're talking with ben bernanke later on in the program about jobs and the economy on "sunday morning futures."
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welcome back. an army officer now recommending no jail time for sergeant bowe bergdahl. this according to his lawyer this morning. the sergeant facing charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. he was captured by the taliban after leaving his post in afghanistan back in june of 2009. and returned to the united states last year following a controversial prisoner swap. instead the officer has decided bergdahl should face a lower level court-martial. that could possibly allow him to walk free. is this the right decision? lieutenant general jerry boykin is the former commander of the delta force, now the executive vice president of the family research council. sir, good to have you on the program. thanks so much for joining us today. >> thank you, maria. good to be with you. >> do you agree with this recommendation? >> you know i don't. this is not a misdemeanor
charge. bowe bergdahl is a deserter, also charged with misbehavior with the enemy. these are very serious charges. and i suspected what is being recommended is that he be taken to what is called a summary court, rather than a general court, which would ultimately result in a trial by jury. i think bowe bergdahl needs to go to a general court-martial and from my perspective, he needs to spend probably the rest of his life in jail. >> wow. let me ask you, what is his answer to the desertion charges? what does he say he was doing? >> well, what he alleges is that he was actually captured, he wandered out, he was going through some difficulties and he wandered out and was captured and was held for five years. i don't buy that in the least. there is way too much evidence to show that he planned his desertion, that he mailed his computer home, that he had said
a lot of things to his fellow soldiers about his dissatisfaction about what was going on at the time. i think that he -- he orchestrated this whole thing. as a result of that, we traded five of the most hardened, egregiously difficult criminals out of guantanamo for his release and that has yet to be, i think, reconciled from my perspective. he needs to go to jail. >> it is quite extraordinary, general, for sure. let me move on to two things i would like to get your take on. of course, that is isis and syria, russian situation. and i want to ask you about the latest news we're hearing this morning in terms of iran firing these ballistic missiles. what is your take on putin's motivation, pushing america out of the way in the air space over syria? >> putin is doing this because he can, maria.
you know, the red line thing that -- when obama laid down the red line and did nothing when assad obviously used chemical weapons, and then the fact that we have done nothing in response to putin taking to crimea, we refused to arm ukraine, which our allies, i think that's emboldened putin and he's there because he wants to hold on to his port, his only naval port on the mediterranean, and he can't do that if assad falls. if assad is deposed, he's going to lose that port and then finally, what putin has strategic designs on that part of the world. ultimately putin wants, i think, to control a previously proposed pipeline out of iran across iraq, across syria, through lebanon, to the mediterranean, which would give him absolute control over oil prices,
probably globally, so he has big designs and strategic implications for the future. >> yeah, and all at a time when the russian economy is plummeting, because oil prices have come down so much. the russian people are looking for leadership so he comes along and is the tough guy. and as he trades in conflict and fear, look what happened to the oil market. i'll prices a s oil prices are back up. he's pretty successful in what he's trying to do. he needs oil prices up on fear and conflict so he's creating more of it. >> yeah, that's right. and you know, the saudis and the other gulf state countries have to be considering right now the implications of this. they have to be wondering if they're next because putin now that he's there, once he has what he considers to be control of syria, he's going to expand. i don't see this as something that is going to last just a few months.
i see this as a long range plan on putin's behalf. he's very strategic in his thinking right now. >> yeah. i want to ask you about the reports of iran test firing long range ballistic missiles. and i'll ask you what i just asked congressman peter king. and that is is this evidence that the iranians have already -- have already violated the iran nuclear deal. >> well, sure it is. they have had -- they have been testing missiles for a long time. the shahab series of missiles. and they have missiles that would certainly reach israel, which they consider to be their primary enemy. but the fact that they -- if these reports are proven true, the fact that they're testing missiles now, before the sanctions have been lifted, is just another indication that they never had any intentions of living up to the provisions of this treaty. think about this, they'll get $150 billion right away that will allow them to buy even more missile technology, even more
modern missile technology, particularly from the russians. >> right. and perhaps sell it to hezbollah or hamas or whoever iran would like to sell that to. sir, good to have you on the program. we appreciate your time and sights this morning. >> thank you very much, maria. enjoyed being with you. >> we'll see you soon, general boykin there. how far has the economy come since the recession? where are the jobs? what is the impact of low interest rates on rates and wages. former federal reserve chairman ben bernanke is with me next as we look ahead to "sunday morning futures." ♪
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welcome back. former federal reserve chairman ben bernanke offering his account of the financial crisis in his new memoir, "the courage to act," giving us candid insights into the difficult time for the u.s. economy. joining us now is ben bernanke, author of "the courage to act." good to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining us. how would you characterize the economy today? >> we're moving forward. moderate growth. i think the biggest drag on the economy now is the global economy. you see emerging markets being slow, tchina slowing down. that's a drag on us. our housing sector, auto sector, jobs being created, those things are pretty positive. >> housing and autos have been pretty strong, particularly autos. i'm glad you mentioned autos, that's one area that did come roaring back. in the book, you take us through the dark days in terms of when i always say the lights almost
went out, when general electric was worried about paying employees. take us to the darkest day. what was the toughest and required the most courage to act? >> well, the toughest times clearly the weekend and week that followed and lehman failed early monday morning, then aig, the world's largest insurance company came close to failing, the fed and treasury intervened to prevent it from failing. we it to explain that to the president and then explain it to congress. what we told congress, secretary paulson and i was that if this company failed, that our financial system was already almost in cardiac arrest, would collapse entirely and bring down our economy. and we explained this to the congressman and told them what we were going to do and they basically told us, well, thanks for telling us about this, but this is your decision, your responsibility, congress is not going to support you on this. and so we were stuck in the middle in that very, very tough decision. >> are you surprised we are not farther along on this recovery today, given the extraordinary
things that you put into place? >> well, i had expected we would have higher interest rates by now. there have been a number of head winds of various kinds including fiscal policy, including developments in europe, in the cris this is crisis that was in europe. housing is slow to recover and showing some strength. there have been a number of head winds that prevented recover y i from being as strong as we had hoped. lots of jobs have been created. we're well above the level of output that we were at the highest peak before the crisis now. so u.s. economy made a lot of progress, even if it is not as strong as we would ideally like. >> and yet wages haven't moved. you speak to the average guy and gal out there, saying the recovery hasn't hit me yet. >> yeah. >> why? >> well -- >> how do you move wages? >> that's the critical question. both overall wages and wages across the population. people at the highest end are
seeing wage increases. people in the middle aren't seeing wage increases. part of that is the fact that we are coming out of a recession where labor markets were very soft and demand for labor was weak and job situation wasn't very good. that's improving. but even so, you know, we have longer term issues in terms of productivity, in terms of income distribution, that are really beyond what the fed can handle. the fed is basically equipped to do, besides trying to keep the financial system stable, is to help the economy recover from a recession and get back to a more normal position. but the fed can't do anything really about long-term productivity gains or the skills of the workers or things that ultimately will determine real wages in the long-termer term. >> i think this is a really important point and the reason that i go to my next question, and that is low rates cannot create jobs. so people are saying, okay, enough with quantitative easing, enough with low interest rates, we need to get off of zero. how do you feel about that? >> the monetary policy and low
interest rates are aimed at trying to get our economy back to its potential, whatever that potential might be. >> you need a partner on the other side. >> you need a partner. on the one hand, you know, we made a lot of progress, unemployment down to 5%. the fed is looking at near term job creation, trying to get inflation to its target, those are the things that the fed is concerned about. and the fed made a lot of progress there. but taking us beyond that point, to an economy which is delivering higher wages, more growth, better distribution of growth, those are things the fed can't do, we need partners from the public and private sector to do more on that. >> is there a downside risk to keeping rates low for more? for longer? >> well, rates are being kept low, again, because the fed is looking at two things. one is the inflation rate, which is very low. is jobs, which hav come back a lot, but still could probably go further. those are the decisions the fed is making. now, some people are concerned about side effects, low interest
rates, one of them being the concern that low interest rates for a long time might create some speculation or asset bubbles, those kinds of things, financial markets. the fact is nobody has a very clear idea of how those things are linked if they're linked at all. it is important. and i think the best response we have right now is that the fed is using monetary policy for its macro economic objectives, jobs and inflation, but paying a lot of attention to what is happening in the financial market. >> great to see you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for joining us. dr. ben bernanke there, the courage to act. and congressman paul ryan reportedly mulling a crucial decision on whether to enter the race for house speaker. so will he take the plunge? our panel is next, weighing in on all of the above. we're looking ahead this morning on "sunday morning futures." we'll be right back.
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from america's news headquarters, i'm eric shawn. here are some other stories making headlines at this hour. the pro kurdish party is blaming the government for not preventing a deadly twin bombing at the peace rally in turkey's capital yesterday. no one or a group so far has taken responsibility. the prime minister said the terrorist attack could have been the work of isis. reports say 14 isis-related suspects are now in custody. meantime, mourners gathering
at aat the bomb site to honor the victims. police fired tear gas reportedly trying to keep them away. iran, the verdict is in for the washington post reporter on trial for espionage. jason rezin, the ruling itself is unknown. his lawyers have 20 days to appeal whatever the decision is. if convicted, he faces up to 20 years in prison. for now, i'm eric shawn. back to "sunday morning futures" and maria. more on our top story. the house gop conference turns up the heat on wisconsin congressman paul ryan. to throw his hat in the ring to succeed john boehner. if ryan decides to run, he would join conservative favorite daniel webster of florida. and congressman jason chaffetz of utah. sources tell fox news that speaker boehner may stay on in
his current post until a candidate can be secured. and secure the required 218 vote majority. want to bring in our panel on this, ed rollins, former principle white house adviser to president reagan. he's the fox news political analyst. alan combs, the host of the alan combs show and fox news contributor. and garry kasparov is gback wit us. great to see you. thank you for joining us. ed rollins, your take on what is going on at the house now. >> paul ryan probably one of the best people we have. i don't know whether it is a good thing for him to be the speaker of the house. it is a short-term thing, won't make the chaos go away, he's a very substantive guy. the best chance we have of getting a tax bill is with his guidance as chairman of the ways and means committee, can't do that as easily as speaker. i'm supportive of it, but at the end of the day, i think he's not going to like it and two or three years from now the chaos
will still be there. >> which is a reason why he's had a hard time making this decision, i guess. you lose a huge leader in tax policy, running the house ways and means committee. >> he doesn't want the job. you don't have to be a republican or even in the house to be the house speaker. why not one of the kardashians? >> oh, my god. >> could be anybody. >> oh, alan. >> they could get pelosi. you know, doesn't have to be a republican to do it. no republican wants the job. >> donald trump does. let trump do it. see what it is like for a couple of months to work with the congress. >> he's still leading in polls. how do you see the leadership change? >> no republican wants this, every republican wants to be president. i -- just ryan is not the man for the job. >> really? >> no. he's great where he is now, you know. policy man, you know. he can do many great things for the party. for the country. but this is a different kind of
job. have to -- he doesn't seem like a person who will do that. and also the demands from this group of republicans in the house for new speaker, requires very different qualities. i just hope that -- they'll realize the only important elections in the next certain months is one for oval office and -- spending precious time and energy on -- for the -- in fighting the house fighting. >> people are still angry that the gop hasn't gotten enough done. i know that the house has passed lots of bills, but this whole idea that the president has been pushing through his agenda, and rolling over -- >> he's declared victory on many fronts. and the republicans and the supreme court and the republicans who went along with the trade bill and whole variety of things, but the problem we face today is you have a vast majority of republicans who want to do everything democrats do for 80% of the cost. then you got a segment that has
come in the freedom group, whatever -- >> freedom focus. >> who want to change congress. and you can't change congress in the short run and equally as important you can't do things without raising taxes. they don't want to raise taxes. they sparked a revolution. >> they don't want to legislate. they don't want to work with the president. and they don't even want to work with john boehner, which is why boehner is tired of herding cats. >> you need somebody in the job that will bring people together. >> ryan would be a good choice. i think your point is well taken, he may not be the best guy for the job. given the number of people who are seeking it, of all those people, he might be the best choice. >> there is some very good house members. the problem is we sort of had this process where it was boehner and then mccarthy and all of a sudden it is not very strategic. you have to shut this thing down for a period of time. boehner out to say, i'll stay until january, everybody go home, come back and figure out how we have the next -- >> does the benghazi select
committee get the considerable ty back? >> i don't think so. i think it has been badly damaged. >> badly damaged. >> you had in fact a former investigator say that he was fired from the committee because he wanted a nonpartisan investigation and they wouldn't let him do it. >> let's get to howie kurtz media buzz. he has a big guest. h good morning to you. >> we have a wide ranging interview with donald trump, talks about what he calls the dishonest media and names names. pretty rough on marco rubio. we talked about ben carson. and jeb bush. and the coverage of his wife melania. i pressed him on how he can slash taxes and yet not touch the big entitlement programs on the spending side. you'll see his answer. >> his tax plan, costs $12 trillion? >> that's the estimate. he disputes that. but it is going to cost a lot of money and he's putting medicare, social security and medicaid off limits. i don't see how the math adds up. >> we'll be watching in 20 minutes. thank you very much. we'll see you then. vice president joe biden has
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decision over the next two weeks. there is a lot of hurdles to go through. i think unless hillary just knocks it out of the ballpark in the debate on tuesday, there will be a growing pressure for him to get in this race. >> alan, how damaging is joe biden running for the white house for hillary? >> i think it is 50/50. i don't think he made that final decision yet. i don't think you can predict. you might be right, but anything can happen. he seems like he goes with the wind on any given day. >> garry? >> i agree that probably hasn't made his final decision, because the decision will be made by obama. it depends on obama's position. if obama doesn't want hillary, and backs biden, i think he'll be in trouble because what happens with benghazi committee, i think biden can bring it down in debate saying hillary, barack and i relied on you in benghazi and you screwed us. >> the debate is tuesday night. the first democratic national debate. on that stage, hillary clinton, bernie sanders. >> governor o'malley. >> governor o'malley. >> chafee, jim webb.
somebody could double their poll numbers. >> won't be 23 million people, meat 8 or 9 or 10 million people. >> right, right. let's talk about the debate. what do you expect? >> i think hillary should tear this group up. she's experienced as a debater, smart, but if she doesn't, then i think she gets a lot of pressure. >> she's not a great campaigner, right? >> she's a better debater. >> she'll be better at the debate stage than as a campaigner. this will be a key moment to see how she does in comparison to the other people on the stage. if they can breakthrough, and make some inroads into her candidacy, that tells a lot about what joe biden might do. >> from the gop debate, they're looking at the candidates and the number one quality is authenticity. if bernie sanders is going after hillary, she'll be in trouble. whatever he says, he believes in it, he has a record to back his statements. i think it depends very much on how far bernie sanders is willing to go to tear her apart.
>> she's been going toward the bernie sanders agenda, right? she's not going towards bill clinton's agenda. she's going towards bernie sanders' agenda. >> good for bernie sanders for bringing her to a more populous campaign, whether she would govern as a populous is another story, we don't know the answer. >> why do you say good for bernie sanders? >> i don't think she would be against the tpp, i don't think she would be taking the position she's taking. >> how about the keystone pipeline. wasn't it her state department that said the keystone pipeline would be safe for the environment. >> no flip-floppers on the right. >> we have got to talk about russia and syria. garry kasparov, what you said played out. we'll come back to garry on that. the pentagon announcing some major downsizing to train rebel fighters in syria. and russia is seeming to ramp up its fight against isis there. our panel on the escalating tensions in syria today. we're looking ahead on "sunday morning futures" next.
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welcome back. russia continues to meddle in syria, as we learn at least four times in the past five years, eastern european arms dealers with links to moscow attempted to sell radioactive material to middle eastern extremists who could use them to build a so-called dirty bomb. our panel is back to talk about this. garry, the point you made on this program a couple weeks ago was putin has to trade in
conflict and fear, his economy is plummeting, that is all he can do. that's exactly what he's done. >> it's a simple game. the more chaos he creates, first in neighboring states, then even further down south to the middle east. i wouldn't be surprised to see him somewhere near benghazi. he knows that, for instance, 9 hundreds of thousands, million of refugees in europe weaken european resolve to oppose his aggressi aggression. who knows, maybe the baltics are next, and he sees no opposition. he see es obama as a very weak later, and i think the meeting here in new york it is u.n. general assembly, which is shown all over the place in russia, demonstrated putin as a strong
leader, the reluctant handshake, and next the military jet bombed american-backed rebels, also important putin is not in syria because of isis. he's there to establish russian dominance, which he thinking will help to control gas prices. >> he's already been successful. the oil has come back. >> i don't think it helped him very much. his dream i think is to push isis south to saudi arabia. unless he can blow off saudi arabia, the oil price will not go as high as he wants. don't forget, isis are sunnis. this is the ideal targets for them to create commotion and who nose, even major war. >> why would he push this through now while the president is being seen as weak across the country? >> i think so much of his strength is he projects strength, whether it's the hockey game where he takes the
nhl players. >> search goals. >> whether it was rigged or doesn't. >> nobody is getting in his way on the ice. >> he has a strategic plan. he's putting allies together. the critical thing is he has to win this battle. russia cannot have another afghanistan. >> as obama points out tonight on "60 minutes" he's in a weakening position. he's hanging on to assad, who is kind of shaky. i don't think putin has a lot going for him, except he has no opposition. >> assad is not his old ally. his old ally is iran. he has a tonight to create more trouble, and putin projects strength. >> is it real? >> absolutely. you can ask any dictator in the world, if you stick with putin, he'll go all the way down toyou at in costs.
if you stick with obama, he'll betray you. >> he takes his shirt off and plays hockey, that portrays strength? >> he kicked america out of the middle east in one week. >> maybe we shouldn't be there to begin with, so maybe it's a -- >> are you saying obama looks stronger? >> certainly people that don't like obama will call him weak, i think putin is a bully, and he's a poser, and if you look at what happens, he has an economy he's not paying attention to. he's trying to divert attention and hang on to assad, which can't be successful in the long term. >> i think he sees weakness in our president. i think the country sees a weak president who doesn't basically want to engage, and i think there's a lot of rhetoric, and i think putin sees it as an opportunity to move forward. >> we're already saw the violence, israeli, palestinians,
and it's a natural development, when you see him buddies up. putin creates a culture of -- it's originally so explosive that he will win. just imagine something goes wrong with israel. >> what is putin going to win? >> chaos, total destruction of the world order. american allies for generations are now in trouble and obama walks away. >> we're in iraq, we're in afghanistan -- >> well, that's not how our friends in the middle east see it. >> how many years will it take for a new president to rebuild relations? it's very easy to destroy relations. >> thank goodness we have a diplomatic solution. >> thank goodness? they just fired ballistic missiles. they've already violated the agreement. >> diplomacy over war is a good thing. >> as the world is coming into a chaotic situation, the president is about to veto a senate
defense bill, that he approved the numbers before, and the attempt will be to override it. what kind of weakness is that to the world? >> with all that's going on in the world, we have the smallest military. >> the budget is the way to understand the strategy. whether it's family, corporation or the country, putin's increased military, security forces and propaganda. it's a war budget. >> and he has a dying economy. >> hold that thought. hold that thought. >> he has a dying economy to wage another war, so you better stop -- tomorrow the price already higher, and it will -- we'll be right back. one thing to watch for the week ahead. we'll be right back. at mfs investment management, we believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights.
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