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good morning. the vote for the country's third in command a few days away. hi, everyone. i'm maria bartiromo. welcome to "sunday morning futures." all eyes on wisconsin congressman paul ryan this weekend to become the next speaker of the house. but does he have enough support? a major voice of the critical far right, congressman mark meadows, will join me. new video this morning showing the u.s. special forces raid that rescued 70 iraqis held by isis.
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i'll talk to ambassador ryan crocker. what will come of the new information we learned in hillary clinton's testimony on the benghazi attacks? i'll talk with a congressman who questioned the former secretary of state last week as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." after intense pressure, wisconsin congressman paul ryan agreed to run for speaker of the house. the ways and means committee chairman getting the backing from several groups of republicans this past week, include ing the far right house freedom caucus. ryan is nation a challenge from at least one other congressman, daniel webster of florida. did to ha isn't it interesting that last week paul ryan got the votes, got the recommendation, but not an out and out endorsement. why is that? >> i think there is a couple of things. there is great respect for chairman ryan and also great
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respect for daniel webster. it is not as much about the person as it is the process. we want to make sure washington, d.c. works for the millions of american citizens who believe that we don't know how to govern here in washington, d.c. and so it is more about the process than the person. hopefully we're making good progress there. >> a closed door meeting this wednesday. and then, of course, followed by the full house vote on the floor on thursday. do you think this plays out? >> i think right now it is certainly looking like we'll have a speaker ryan. there are a number of conversations happening almost around the clock to make sure the rules and the way that we do business here in washington, d.c. gets changed. i think there needs to be a down payment, a good faith effort to say we're going to flatten this process out, make sure that the rank and file members and more importantly the american people
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have a voice in what a positive agenda might be for america. i believe chairman ryan is committed to that. it looks like it will be pretty smooth sailing for him. >> how do you, mark meadows, feel about some of the conditions that congressman ryan put on the table including he wants house rules changed to overhaul what is known as the motion to vacate the chair, parliamentary weapon that members use to try and oust the speaker i think that was something outlined first. i think that's a nonstarter for many of us as we look at this. it is important that's a institutional responsibility that has been there for centuries. so i don't see us changing that as much as perhaps making it a more open process within our conference, so there are no surprises. that motion to vacate changing, that's what we're woorking on right now to make sure that's not eliminated as an effective
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procedural motion that is privileged, which means that any member, democrat or republican, could bring it up. is that a deal breaker for your vote? >> i think it is a deal breaker. we communicated that very clearly. chairman ryan is working with us to see how we can address that particular issue. but to change something century old for a speaker election today doesn't seem like those two fit together and i think that reasonable minds can come together and find a path forward. >> let me get you to talk to us about some of the pause around congressman ryan. his views you on immigration reform was one issue. his view s on gay marriage is another issue. can you talk to us about the resistance and why there would be any resistance for a guy who we all know is a policy wonk, who is going to do his best to get things done economically, like tax reform, like budget issues that are so important to
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most people. >> you hit a critical piece. we have tried to not make -- the speaker's ideological views be the focus. it shouldn't be. he shouldn't be a super member wi where his ideas speak for all the republican conference. that's why we want to flatten this out. on immigration, we had real candid discussions about that. he's agreed to not move anything without the majority of the majority on that particular issue forward, which would actually make sure that every member has a voice on immigration. >> you would think that on economic issues, you're very much aligned with congressman ryan then. >> i think from a tax reform standpoint he and i agree on a number of things on tax reform, from a budgeting standpoint we agree on all of those. on the fiscal side of things, there is a whole lot to agree. there is more we agree on than that divides us.
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>> it is honorable and impressive for those who are sticking to their principles when it comes to some of the social issues, but i got to push back a bit on this. when you look at polls and when you survey the american people, it feels like we're talking about a different america than we were ten years ago. do you worry as it relates to gay marriage, heard the supreme court's ruling on this, as it relates to gay marriage in particular, that there is a disconnect between the freedom caucus and the american people? i don't think there is a disconnect between the freedom caucus and the american people. that's why we were created to be the voice for millions of people who felt like this -- they are not represented here in washington, d.c. sometimes we look at our own little bubble, whether it be in new york or anywhere else, i can tell you that in north carolina, we had just passed measures with regards to traditional marriage. it was really one of those
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things that as the supreme court came out, it went against the will of the voters in north carolina. and so, yes, are things different than ten years ago? certainly. as we look at this, it is more about making sure that the diversity of every district, whether they be liberal or conservative, is represented here in washington, d.c. >> let me ask you about daniel webster for a moment. what is the selling point if it were to go that way? >> the selling point is he's done it before in the state of florida and as the speaker of the house there. he actually flattened out the process, gave democrats and republicans alike the ability to bring forth legislation. he's one of the few that not only united the gop there in florida, but got very high remarks and credentials from democrats alike that he was a fair speaker. and so when you look at the process, that's what was so appealing to -- about daniel
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webster, it is not about him, it is about making sure that everybody has a voice. >> congressman, good to have you on the program. we appreciate your time today. >> thank you, maria. >> thank you very much. representative mark meadows joining us from the freedom caucus. we want to turn now it a closer look at paul ryan's road to the speakership. could it be a little bumpier than we thought. eric shawn on that angle. >> good morning, everyone. paul ryan may be a shoo-in, but there are a few holdouts. even though he does have the speakership in the bag, it does come with some reluctance from some. >> mr. speaker! the president of the united states! >> they shoved out john boehner and pushed kevin mccarthy aside. even without the full unanimous backing of the house freedom caucus, paul ryan is on the
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verge of this new job with some, albeit minor dissension. congressman meadows just indicated, florida congressman dan webster, who the freedom caucus first endorsed, vows to stay in the race. >> i am surely interested in being speaker because i'm fighting against the way the process is. i want to see everything based on principle. >> it turns out that ryan's reservations and deliberations did not endear him to all. representative matt salmon of arizona, the co-chair said, quote, it is like interviewing a ma maid for a job and she says i don't clean windows, i don't do floors, i don't do beds, these are the hours i work, it is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. >> what i told members is if you can agree to these requests, and if i can truly be a unifying figure, then i will gladly serve. if i'm not unifying, that will be fine as well. >> ryan has reached out to the
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caucus in writing, quote, whatever our differences, we're all conservatives. we were elected to defend the constitution. we share the same principles. i believe we're ready to move forward as a one united team and i am ready and eager to be our speaker. if he does become speaker as expected, congressman ryan will face two immediate challenges. the debt ceiling and the government funding deadline. how he navigates the issues could determine how successful his speakership will be, whether he'll go down in history as sam ray burn or tip o'neill or henry clay or wish he never took the job in first place. >> we'll be watching that. thanks so much, eric shawn with the latest there. the first american killed in the fight against isis. we'll discuss that. the circumstances surrounding his death and the future of the war against the terrorist group. tell us what you would like to hear on twitter. follow me @mariabartiromo. what you like to hear from the former ambassador to syria, iraq and zen. he's next.
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russian lawmakers coming to the defense of syria saying president bashar al assad believes defeating the terrorists in his country will actually lead to a political solution. one that would include new elections. this as the u.s., russia and turkey look to end the civil war there which is now in its fifth year. meanwhile, a grim milestone for the united states this morning in the fight against isis as the first american is killed. taking on the terrorists. we're getting our first look at this video, this is a raid in which he lost his life. freeing dozens of isis held hostages. delta force master sergeant joshua wheeler's body has been returned to the united states after he was killed in that raid in iraq. joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to syria, iraq and
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afghanistan, ambassador ryan crocker. he is also a dean and executive professor at the george bush school of government and public service at texas a&m university. good to have you on the program. thanks so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i know you had some horrible weather this morning. we had a hard time getting you because of hurricane patricia. thank you for making the effort to be there, sir. >> glad to be here. >> your thoughts on the latest information we learned. sergeant wheeler, the fist american services member killed in this anti-isis campaign. >> a tragedy, a great american was killed in that raid. it was a very important mission. he was there to support kurdish fighters in an effort to free hostages that would have been executed within hours. so there is no question in my mind that it was an important mission, and no question in my mind that his presence along with other americans was essential to its success, even though he gave his life.
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i think there are larger lessons to be drawn here. one to me is not that we shouldn't have done it. >> and, of course, defense secretary ash carter says he made the call for the delta force troops to carry out that raid. it is believed isis would execute 70 iraqis, potentially broadcast it and the group had already planned for the victims. given what we know about this fatality and where we are, can you give us your characterization of the war against isis at this point? where are we in the process? >> well, clearly after more than a year of a concerted international effort to degrade and ultimately defeat isis, it is hard to argue that it is going very well for us. since we made that statement, over a year ago, isis now controls ramadi, in iraq, which they didn't then, and palmyra in
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syria, which they didn't then. there is a very long way to go. >> the fbi says there are 900 active isis cases right now in the united states. of course, just a week and a half ago president obama reversed course and said that in fact the country will leave the 10,000 troops on the ground in afghanistan. is that the right move? >> it is something i've argued for some time, maria, that we have seen this movie before, in iraq, how things unraveled when we withdrew completely. we can't afford to have that happen in afghanistan, so, yes, i think it is clearly the right move, what the actual force level should be needs to be determined by those who are on the scene, but it was the right move. >> let me turn to the story around russia right now. we know that russia has invaded the ukraine. russia put troops above syria, bullying america around, that's for sure. that's what it looks like.
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what should the next president do? >> i would hope we start with this president. this is not a situation in the middle east in syria or elsewhere where we can just hit the pause button for the next year plus. clearly in syria i would wish that we would assert ourselves not so much against the russians, but for an end to the slaughter of syrian civilians. one way to do that would be to make clear to the russians and to the syrian government and the iranians behind them that we are serious, that we are going to establish and enforce a no fly zone, and in so doing change the dynamics. right now, with the russian support for bashar, this is just going to prolong this conflict indefinitely. tens of thousands more will die. isis will continue to have safrpgry. this is not a situation that is in our favor, nor is it one where we can just wait for the
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next president. >> and, of course, assad said that defeating the terrorists, defeating isis in his country, which is what the russians say they are helping him do, will lead to a political solution. do we believe assad? >> i absolutely do not believe assad. look at what the russians are doing and where the syrians are attacking now. it isn't really against isis. it is against other syrian elements. many of whom are supported by us. so the russians aren't there to defeat isis or islamic radicalism. they're there to support bashar al assad, who has done far more than isis to kill his own people. >> and they will fight whoever is against assad include ing the americans. >> that is correct and including the groups that we have tried to support. >> right. >> ambassador, good to have you on the program.
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thank thank y thank you for your intigsights. hillary clinton grilled ed lynn westmoreland is with me next, a member of the benghazi committee, joining us live with his reaction to the questioning last week. get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief. try gaviscon®. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief.
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of testimony fairly unscathed. but they're also saying questions about the calls for more security in libya went unanswered. joining me now is a member who asked many security questions at the hearing, lynn westmoreland. good to have you on the program. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, maria. >> were you satisfied with the testimony last week? >> we asked the questions we wanted to ask. she was one of many witnesses we're calling. we're just trying to get testimony from those people that were involved in it. so we got the answers that we already knew is that she the security there was not a priority with her. that she lied about what caused the attack. so, yeah, i think as far as the committee went, i think we did great. i don't know what everybody else is saying about her doing so
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great, anytime you are proven a liar on tv in front of the world, i don't know how that comes out great for you. >> when you say proven a liar, i guess one of the e-mails in question, she sent to her daughter. and she said, the attack in libya had nothing to do with the video. in the e-mail, she said, this has nothing to do with the video, they were purporting it was because of a video and it was a terrorist attack. that was the day of the incident? >> well, yes. it was that evening. and her e-mail basically said we had two americans killed by an al qaeda style attack. she told the egyptian prime minister the same thing, that this was an attack. and yet she turned around and was telling the american people that, you know, it was the video. in fact, what is really so horrific about this whole thing is the fact that she went up to the families as these brave
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americans' bodies were being brought home and she said, we're going to get -- we're going to put the man in jail that made this video. knowing all along that's not what happened to their loved ones, their loved ones were killed by an tack. >> right. why would she do that? it was september 11th, we know that. we know there was an election, two months later. they were -- the administration was put ing out lots of messaging that the terrorists were on the run, that the situation was calm, there isn't terrorists the way that a lot of people were talking about. is that what you were referring to as her lying? >> yes, ma'am, strictly political. ben rhodes from the white house had a lot to do with the talk ing points. you can't believe when you look at it how many different stories
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came through those talking points. and they wanted the american people to believe that this was caused by this video. they went so far as to have the filmmaker locked up. it was a ruse. and the one thing that democrats do much, much better than republicans do, they stick to their story. they stick to their lines and that's the way they're drilled. >> they suput susan rice on the sunday shows that weekend that continued the fantasy it was because of a video and not terrorism. what else do you -- yes, go ahead, sir. >> well, i was just going to say, you know, i don't think the secretary would go on those shows. and tell those stories. i don't think she would do it. i don't think she would want to do it. she knew it would be a political
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nightmare for her. let me bring up one other thing, mrs. clinton said she didn't find out that the state department wanted all the e-mails until october. in july, the state department contacted sheryl mills, her chief of staff, to talk about the e-mails. they had a period of time there to discuss what they were going to do and what they came up with is, oh, well, we just won't ask for hillary's, we'll ask for the former secretary of state's, going all the way back to madeleine albright, which i doubt had a computer. so this -- that and the statements that they made, her not going on the sunday talk show, this -- the ruse about when she found out about they wanted her e-mails, look, it was a plan that had been in place, i think, for a long time. >> right. well, i mean, do you think you have advanced this investigation forward based on the hearing
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last week. what else do you need to hear in terms of filling out the blanks on this story. we know that the democrats and in particular hillary's camp is painting this entire investigation as being politically motivated. >> yeah. well, like i said, they're very good at grabbing hold of something and making up a line and all of them sticking to it. she was one of 54, i believe, witnesses that we had so far. we probably got another 20 or 25 witnesses, but maria, what is interesting about this investigation, is that every time we interviewed somebody, somebody else's name or something else gets involved and so now we got another witness to call. so with mrs. clinton, she was one of these witnesses, we need to talk to general petraeus, general dempsey, secretary gates, we are just at that stage of getting into the military
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response right now. and, you know, i'm not an attorney. but, you know, i understand that you take these witnesses into order of the events that happen and so trey has done a great job, i think, of being a very patient, very methodical and getting these witnesses in. >> we'll watch for the developments. and we should point out that we know about the e-mail and the server issue as a result of this committee because of all of the due diligence. good to have you on the program. thanks very much. >> yes, ma'am. thank you. >> thank you so much, sir. congressman lynn west moreland. hillary clinton getting grilled on capitol hill, a marathon of testimony. some say she fared well. are they right? we'll talk about that as we look ahead this morning on "sunday morning futures." at mfs investment management,
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here are the stories making headlines at this hour. investigators are waiting for the test results of this driver accused of a deadly crash at oklahoma state university's homecoming parade. she is in jail now on suspicion
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of drunk driving. her first hearing is tomorrow. officials say chambers barreled at 50 miles an hour hit a police officer's motorcycle before plowing into the crowd of parade watchers. four people were killed. 44 others were injured. forecasters say there are storms that are moving on and dangerous flood warnings are coming to an end. the powerful storm system combined with remnants of hurricane patricia have done some damage. once the rain stops, officials will have to worry about the creeks and rivers overflowing. i'll see you back here in 90 minutes. i'm eric shawn. back to "sunday morning futures" and maria. >> thank you, eric. hillary clinton testifying for 11 grueling hours last week before the house select committee on benghazi. the stakes were high for the former secretary of state, facing questions on the terrorist attack that killed four americans. according to multiple media
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outlets, hillary clinton came out of it looking stronger. is that a fair assessment of the marathon hearing. want to bring in our panel now, ed rollins, former adviser to president reagan, long time strategy to business and political leaders, fox news political analyst. alan combs, host of the alan combs show and mark o'connor the co-founder and chief investment officer of highland capital management with $21 billion in assets under management. how did hillary do? >> i would be very pleased if i was running her campaign. if i was a democrat, she had two big strong performances, the debate in this performance. the republicans don't necessarily believe she always tells the truth. that was proven again and there was no hesitancy before she called her daughter, the prime minister about the story that the white house put out. she knew what the story was from the beginning. let susan rice go on television and mislead the country and i think that's -- that matters in the end, i don't know. it reinforces that part to many. >> that's what lynn westmoreland
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said, she reiterated she's a liar. whether that's going to connect with the american people, though, is another question. >> continuing to call her a liar, continuing to beat up on hillary clinton and then having lynn westmoreland say this -- you know, we -- she's one of many witnesses we're going to call, they haven't met since february, they called almost nobody. when uma abedin was there, trey gowdy didn't show up. the optics were terrible for republicans. >> what is the farce? the farce is what? that she wasn't getting calls for more security. >> this is the eighth committee to look into this. no new information. a sweating trey gowdy at the end of this admitted there is no new information here. you have to look at the transcripts to figure it out. nothing new to offer. >> what about the e-mail that ed referred to, she told her daughter and the prime minister -- former prime minister of egypt this has nothing to do with the video, this was a terrorist attack and turned around and told the american people the opposite.
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>> she said during the hearings, the 11 hour hearing and the fog of this, a lot of changing information within first day or two. the president in the united states in the rose garden said act of terror. two days later in detroit, on the campaign trail, he said act of terror. i'm talking about what was known and not known. the focus on the terminology or the language, it ignores what they should be focusing on. >> there is a difference between saying it was a video that got the people stirred up and terrorist act and she knew it was a terrorist act, she told her daughter three hours after it happened and it is spinning. and spinning is what this white house is -- >> they knew it was a terrorist act. the investigation by mike mullen, that included ambassador pickering, said it was a video, part of it. the new york times investigation said it was part of it. >> we know it wasn't a video. >> to me, again, this is not your main -- to what will help security in the future, what will prevent this from happening down the road, they're focusing
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on all the wrong things. >> whether or not she lied to the american people. >> they're using -- to hit her over the head. >> the first hard question about the security, she didn't offer any changes, but she's still a secretary of state for a period of time after that. and she should have said, listen, we made a mistake here, didn't respond to his needs, how do we fix it for the future. this is what this is all about. >> sydney blumenthal. >> think about what the markets are -- or saying what the markets think about this. >> and the investors. >> investors care about civility and confidence and there is a lot of geopolitical instability going on in the world because we're pulling back really as a country. we're looking more inward. i think that's the bigger message that is going on to the markets about things like this. and it is not a good message. it creates much more instability in a lot of markets and i think markets are watching this
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carefully but with an eye of whether we'll get to the right outcome. >> we'll see what else comes out. westmoreland said he wants to speak to petraeus and other people relative to the incident that day. i don't know if anything else will come out. >> why haven't they called him in yet. >> i watched 50 years, 50 years of these kinds of hearings and they always fail. you started with watergate, somewhat successful. the fred thompson hearings, chinese investing in clinton campaign was a bust. the iran/contra hearings made a star out of olli north. these hearings are very difficult and the members of congress don't understand that it is like you're beating up on someone and to a certain extent, the democrats are prepared as westmoreland said they stay on message and did it very well the other day. >> just announced a select hearing to look into planned parenthood now, another mistake by this republican congress. >> let's get with howie kurtz, talking about benghazi coming up top of the hour. howard kurtz on media buzz. good morning to you. >> good morning, that's right. we'll drill down on the divide
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in the coverage between those two say the hearing produced important information, would say it was a flop. also look at the mainstream media finally grudgingly acknowledging that donald trump could win the gop nomination and the huge embarrassment of all the pen dundits and pontificato who thought joe biden would run for president and up to the moment, he did not. >> talk about that as well. interesting how they're falling pretty quickly now. webb, chafee, biden, out. we'll see you at the top of the hour. paul ryan officially enteringing the race for house speaker, only after laying out certain conditions. we'll look at how his fellow lawmakers feel about that as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him.
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paul ryan officially enters the race for house speaker. the wisconsin congressman making his decision after getting the backing of several groups of gop lawmakers after laying out certain conditions that needed to be met. these conditions being praised by some but irking others. we're back with our panel. i felt this most recent rally was optimism that paul ryan would be the guy. we know he will probably push for tax reform. he's the policy wonk. he'll get the economic issues done. that takes us over the cliff. am i right on that? >> you're absolutely right. i'm a big paul ryan fan. he's a family man. i've been blessed to have five children and i think that's a positive thing to have something like him leading the house at this point. the markets are looking forward to the debt ceiling. i think we have a good person in the role now to make sure that happens. but we'll see.
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right? there are certainly a truce in some strength here and the markets are anticipating that. but it is real early here. >> we'll probably learn on thursday. or wednesday night. how do you see it? >> we have a bunch of people in the freedom caucus that would love to shut down the government and don't care -- >> that's not going to happen. >> it is not going to happen but they would probably like it to happen. there will be a short honeymoon period for paul ryan. at some point probably the freedom caucus -- i think at some point they're going to, you know, give him a hard time and it is not a job he really wanted. he was seduced into it. >> you think the freedom caucus will get him. >> i'm a big paul ryan fan, have been for a long time. i think the potential is there for him to be a superb speaker. he'll have problems.
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he's the only guy that has become the speaker without going up through the ranks, democrat or republican. he still has the leadership teep that was boehner's. he has the problems. the whole bid of don't let one guy stand up and demand my vote. no one has been voted out that way. it is a ridiculous charge. more important thing is if he's out there going home every weekend which is admirable and should be able to do that, they will criticize him if they lose seats in the house, which is a real possibility. so my sense is two things that will get stopped, i think he could have got a tax bill through, i don't know if anybody else can get a tax bill through today. >> exactly. >> that's a big, big thing. and the highway bill. >> very good. really strong. the fiscal drag cost the economy 100 basis points. that is a massive number. that's a third of our gdp. this happened since 2009. >> the inaction. >> right. >> if you got a tax field,
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something pro growth, that would be great for every american. >> let me ask you about jeb bush. jeb bush ordering salary cuts to his staff, canceling some campaign events. it is getting tougher and tougher for jeb bush. we saw jim webb, chafee, webb, chafee and biden out on the democratic side. >> before a voter cast a vote, we lost about six candidates including a couple of governors. jeb has to have a great debate this week. he has to get some fire in his system here to make people believe he really could be the nominee of this party. long hard way to go here. what is happening is these guys created super pacs. $100 million sitting in california with mike murphy, his best aid or running out of money in florida. this is what happened to walker and super pacs are not working.
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super pac is the frosting on the cake. they're building big establishment candidates. >> they say, they're criticizing super pacs for all the money and influence. and little money jeb bush has and he's at the bottom of the list. >> if you can't manage the finances of the campaign, how do you manage the country? if you can't run a campaign fiscally, properly. here is a guy who said over the weekend, what did he say yesterday, i got many cool things i could be doing besides running for president. okay, go do them. like he's doing us a favor by running. ridiculous thing to say. >> what about jim webb, chafee, biden, thought s there? >> all helps hillary clinton. >> biden was the only one who was a serious challenge. i think she now has a clear path, she's basically got -- more center left than she was before because sanders is the only person on the stage debating her. such a socialist left winger she looks good by comparisen. >> quick break. ceo of a drug company under fire for charging $750 for a single pill.
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by taking the price up. we can afford to do real research to make a better drug. if you were a patient that had this illness, you wouldn't want a 7-year-old drug. most people don't want a 6-month-old cell phone. for me, it's imperative to make the drug at a price that makes sense for us and is affordable to patients. >> this interview last week on the fox business network on mornings with maria, ed, was stunning for me. then, again, what about private money investing in r & d? how are we going to get the next alzheimer's drug? >> the pharmaceutical industry is very complicated issue. but he's going to become the whipping boy in this political environment in which you've got someone like bernie sanders with a very antibusiness community running for politics. so he's going to be the epitome of why we have to regulate teesz
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guys. >> and hillary clinton. she basically came out and suggested, look, the government needs to get involved. >> we can't always depend upon the free market. and somebody else comes up with a drug, a similar drug from $1, which is a great thing and would indicate maybe the free market can work. do we know that drug can help all of those people who would otherwise have to pay $750? it's got different components in it. people will still be suffering. >> do you think that the government should regulate prices of drugs? >> in situations like this, absolutely. you can't depend upon the free market. always when some profiteer as you say comes and does something like that. >> i want to say, there's no drug to return neurons to your head. there's no drug to cure alzheimer's. if someone's working on an alzheimer's drug, i don't know what that would cost. that's the point, you're not going to get private money investigating in r & d. >> certainly make the money back. >> not if the government is telling them how they can price it. >> if they're the only drug available, people are going to buy it, they're going to make
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money. >> mark. >> there's a great example here of the market working, right? you have this dollar replacement drug. and so, i really think regulation is not the answer. and the stock market has rolled over, especially health care stocks. there are very few health stocks that are in an uptrend because of this dynamic. and if you do this, if you change the regulatory aspect for drug pricing, you are going to hurt r & d. it is not a positive event. i wish he would stop talking like this. it's not helping. >> the federal government is investing 50 cents out of every dollar in health care. they're going to try to regulate. and this gives an example of why he should and it's wrong. >> got a two-day fed reeting. rating. a whole host of earnings out. we'll talk about that and the one thing to ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count.
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