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neil: a host of other states including poland have now said no, just no. to rick leventhal with the very latest from paris. hey, rick. >> reporter: and, neil, the french president, francois hollande, held a rare address this afternoon before the national assembly and senate at the versailles, he talked about a french carrier that will triple this country's capabilities to strike at isis and, in fact, he said there will be no respite and no truce, talking to the terrorists themselves, he said they will not shake our resolve, but reinforce our determination to eliminate them x that retaliation began in earnest last night with french fighter jets dropping 20 bombs in raqqa,
syria, said to be the capital of isis, including a jihadi training camp and munitions dump. but this property was organized in belgium and carried out here in paris, so there's been an investigation in both countries, more than 150 police raids here in france across the nation overnight and more than 100 suspects detained. numerous raids also carried out in belgium where two of seven people have now been charged with links to the terror attacks. we've also learned that turkish officials say they have arrested several people with ties to the terror group here in paris who had their own plans to carry out an attack in istanbul which has been foiled. the key focus remains on finding the so-called eighth terrorist and others involved, a 26-year-old belgian who rented one of the cars used by the terrorists used in the friday attacks may have taken part in the slaughter and escaped. his brother was one of the
suicide bombers and another brother was arrested in brussels saturday. but abdeslam was stopped near the belgian border on saturday morning hours after authorities had linked him to the terror attacks but, apparently, the local police, the local french police did not get that warning. they checked his id and let him go, and now he is at the top of their most wanted list along with anyone else who may have been directly associated with these attacks, that may include a woman and, of course, also the bombmaker who built the seven vests these attackers blew themselves up with. neil: thank you so much, rick leventhal. how many times have we heard that? lack of communication between security agencies, local police, that sort of thing happened a number of times in france. meantime, i want to pass something along from the campaign of ben carson, cut off funding for syrian refugee
programs as six states have said we don't want them here and this is as the president saying a new strategy to take on isis, not so fast. this was from the president about an hour ago. >> the one exception is that there had been a few who suggested that we should put large numbers of u.s. troops on the ground. it is not just my view, but the view of my closest military and civilian advisers that that would be a mistake. neil: all right. i want to go to the margaret thatcher center for freedom, to the director there. what the president seems to be saying in between the lines here is despite these overtures with vladimir be putin where they're talking trying to iron out how to deal with this, as far as we are concerned, there isn't going to be a big difference in how we deal with this, right? >> i think that's right, neil. and i would say that president obama's press conference this morning in turkey at the g20 was rather bizarre. it was defiant, it was very
angry, extremely defensive. he spent half the time attacking his domestic critics. there was no big picture vision presented here for u.s. strategy and, clearly, i mean, this is a president who doesn't really have a clue about what to do against isis. he's presenting no new ideas here, and it's a rather sad day when the french president looks far stronger on the world stage than the american president. neil: nevertheless, there was renewed hope that this powwow with vladimir putin and the president and their translators huddled around a table, it seemed like, might open the possibility that the two work together. my only question, nile, is how? and what do they do? >> yeah. of course, if putin and obama did meet on the sidelines of the g20, i don't think anything concrete really came out of that meeting. and i think that u.s. and russian aims in syria are very different. and so far vladimir putin has direct canned the vast majority of his airstrikes against
non-isis rebel organizations. that was discussed, i think, between the two leaders. but they are really poles apart when it comes to dealing assad. and i think that vladimir putin's bigger grand strategy for, you know, for syria is very different to that of the united states or great britain. at the moment i think that putin is sort of running rings around president obama. that's very unfortunate here. i don't think really obama has much stomach for this fight. he certainly doesn't have any big picture grand strategy, and at the moment i think that the world is missing american leadership. neil: all right. he did say, too, he isn't going to alter this plan to bring in 100,000 of these refugees that the european continent has been bringing to the united states, six states said we don't want them here, that list is likely to grow. obviously, there's a local reaction that says we don't like
what you're doing about this, right? >> yeah. and with very good reason, neil, because look at the situation in europe. around a million refugees or migrants have entered europe, and according to an internal german government document last week, the germans have admitted they're not really able to screen these refugees at all. and so already with the paris be attacks at least one of the terrorists is known to be a refugee or with the refugee passport and perhaps one more of the terrorists as well. so we have a huge security problem on our hands. the obama administration has to present a clear cut plan, i think, to the united states congress with regard to how it's going to screen these refugees, because certainly the germans are not able to do it, no one in europe's been able to do it. how is the obama administration going to be able to screen properly huge numbers of refugees coming from a war zone? there has been no answer whatsoever from this administration on this. neil: nile, thank you very much. always good seeing you. i don't like under these
circumstances, my friend, but thank you nevertheless. >> thank you, neil. neil: now, if you're worried about this scaring our markets or the terrorists succeeding and that they could frighten our markets, think again. thanks to a big hotel deal, about $12.2 billion -- that's how much marriott is forking over to buy rival starwood -- stocks are, by and large, generally the markets themselves are void. gary, what do you think? >> neil, it tells you that this country as well as many other countries around the globe you can hit 'em, you can knock 'em down, but they're back to business very quickly. and let's just go back to 9/11, neil, where we were just stopped dead in our tracks. right after 9/11 the fourth quarter, you had the echostar electronics deal for 27 billion and conocophillips for about 25 billion. so back to business very quickly. the if precedent matters, we're going to be in fine shape going forward as well as the other countries.
neil: if you think about it, both of these players had to know the timing of their announcement, obviously this wasn't cooked up overnight be, but they could have held off, let the world settle, travel and leisure isn't going to be on the top of everyone's mind, particularly to europe, so maybe not the best time to implement that. i assume they both said the hell with it. what do you make of that? >> i assume they did as well. look, i think it's been a tough time for the whole world over the weekend, but at the same time, i mean, i was looking back a little bit because i was looking at the world war ii blitz in london or at the very beginning of the war. 42,000 people were killed in the blitz, and yet that keep calm and carry on which is so parodied today was, you know, comes out of that era in britain. and the british economy largely powered forward without any major loss of production. i think there's some of that going on here where, you know, the very best the world can do is say, hey, this isn't going to stop us, and this is not going
to change our trajectory or plan, so i think these two companies have done the absolute right thing by pushing forward. neil: gary, do you think that events just sort of naturally dovetail with each other? we were already in a slow global environment, japan the latest indicator of that technically in a recession now with an eight-tenths of a percent decline in the latest quarter, china not going gangbusters, and then you have an outside event like this that scares people. does that scare you just taking the big picture market view? >> no, it doesn't. look, the market's going to do whatever it wants to do regardless, the economy is much bigger around the globe. keep in mind the travel stocks got hit today, anything related to travel whether it's cruise lines or airlines as well as hotels, but that's going to be a fleeting thing also. again, we get back to business and, guess what? we're going to have to start talking the fed again in two days when they come out with their minutes. that's what the market's been more worried about than anything
else. neil: you know, dave, i don't want to be crass, but indulge me here. the fed could look at these developments as a scary predicament for the world and say maybe now is not the time to be raising rates. what do you think? >> i think that's possible. and by the way, i'm not sure i agree with gary, anything that feels like it increases risk is not healthy. so there's a difference between are these two companies doing the right thing and, you know, are we -- does this have any effect on markets going forward. this probably doesn't. but, you know, that announcement this morning that isis is, you know, will target us at the heart in our capital in washington, i mean, you imagine some kind of, you know, big incident in washington, and i guarantee you that the reaction would be a lot less muted than it is today in the markets. neil: all right, guys, i want to thank you both very, very much. obviously, something like that would change people's perceptions, they would think less of what their investments are doing and more about how their loved ones are doing. maria bartiromo knows that very
well. she joins us from paris where very few, i would imagine, maria, are talking about their investments. >> absolutely, neil. this city is still in mourning and very much really crushed from the events of the weekend. you know, you can look behind me, and you see the eiffel tower. the eiffel tower will be lit up with the colors of the french flag. of course, the eiffel tower is still closed to business, and anyone going into the actual tower. but as a sign of solidarity, the tower will be lit up tonight and for the next several nights in the colors of the french flag. look, i think people are wondering what the end ordeal will mean for the refugee crisis and, of course, as we go into our election in the united states in the coming year, that conversation no doubt will be front and center as we just came off of our republican debate, neil. you have to believe that this issue -- the american people and what the plans are to let in the syrian refugees at a time we have no way of vetting them, neil.
that's opinion most pronounced over the last 24 hours, that the vetting process is close to impossible at this point. neil: yeah, and the same over here, maria, as you're aware, six states now saying we don't want them, we don't know where they're coming from, so we don't want them. and all these states are expected to follow. >> that's right. neil: european countries are of the same mindset that they have a better screening process because at least two of the attackers might have come from syria as part of this entrance through southern greece. how bad is this getting in europe and how bad is this getting for the european union? i apologize. dicey feed there. maria's been doing yeoman's work just trying to keep on top of this. as i said, there are a number of countries sayings this is too risky, a number of states that are saying the same thing. keep in mind, there are four million of these refugees largely from syria, most of them probably are seeking asylum. but we know that a few bad characters can enter, and in the case of these french attack, a
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neil: all right. we told you of at least six states that don't want any of these syrian refugees in their respective states, they are louisiana, arkansas, michigan, texas, indiana and louisiana -- did i repeat one? i might have. anyway, there are six states that do not want those refugees, the 100,000 that the president said he wants here. but the governor of pennsylvania, tom wolf, said he is not sharing that angst.
he says while details are still emerging regarding the individuals responsible for these heinous attacks in paris, all of those responsible committed atrocious acts and must be brought to justice. we must not lose sight of the fact that families leaving syria are trying to escape the some violence and unimaginable terror that took place in paris and beirut. i want to take that up now with ambassador nicholas burns, a member of john kerry's foreign affairs policy department at the state department. ambassador, very good to have you. >> thank you. neil: what kind of screening process are we going to have for these 100,000 refugees that the administration wants brought here to the united states that will be different from what they had in europe? >> well, neil, i just want to point out i'm not a member of the administration, i'm a professor at hard or saturday university, but i -- harvard university. if i understand the administration's proposal, it's to take 100,000 refugees from all over the world, 10,000 of whom would be syrian refugees. so they're upping the figure
from 70,000 to 100,000 worldwide. neil: all right, and 10,000 of those -- i'm sorry, 10,000 of these are syrian refugees. >> yeah. 10 ,000 of those over the next year would be syrian refugees. we have a long history of taking refugees following the second world war, following the vietnam war when president ford brought in hundreds of thousands of seat that meese refugees -- vietnamese refugees. you do have to vet people, you have to establish their identity. there can't be any confusion about who they are, and you have to, obviously, run them through security checks to make sure that they're not violent, they haven't been involved in terrorist organizations. it takes a long time, but we do know how to do this, and the tradition in our country under all administrations, both parties, is we keep the doors of this country open to refugees who need to come here to start a new life because they fear persecution. and i think we should approach
this in that calm manner. neil: all right. you say we do know how to do this. in europe they obviously didn't to perfection because one, maybe two of these terrorists got through that screening. what did they do wrong -- >> well, my talk today -- i think we don't know enough about these young men -- neil: right. >> -- evil men who shot people in paris the other night. but the reports that i've seen, i'm in london, coming out today in the british and the european press is that the leaders were people who were actually citizens of belgium and perhaps citizens of france. so they're people who were born here in these countries to arab families. their parents, grandparents came from other parts of the world, north africa, middle east. and as you know, there's a very large immigrant arab population in most of the european cities. so this is a real security problem for the europeans. and as you also know, the belgian police conducted raids this morning on suspected sites
where terrorists were living, so what we've got to do -- neil: i mentioned, ambassadorred, one did have a greece-stamped, syrian-issued passport. in other words, entering from syria, through greece, that was at the same time greece was allowing in some refugees. now, you're quite right to say we don't want to jump to conclusions, but can you blame these various state governors, the six of them out there saying the better part of valor might be going slow and saying no, and do you think that we have to pause here even if it means pausing on these 10,000 for a significant amount of time? >> well, i think that that report of a possible syrian who went through greece as a refugee, that may actually be wrong. many of the european press outlets are saying that it might be a hoax, so we don't know for sure yet, but, in fact, that report has been cast in doubt. i frankly think that the
president and the congress have the responsibility -- obviously, they share it -- to decide on refugee numbers. the president proposes, and the congress obviously has the power of the purse to fund refugee programs. so that's where the debate should be. i frankly don't think it should be, with all due respect, in state capitols. it's always been the preserve of the federal government. and we do have a tradition of being big-hearted in this country as secretary hillary clinton said in the democratic debate the other night, you do have to assure who these people are, and we have to have security first. she's right about that, and i agree with her. but it doesn't mean that we put this program on pause, not when you have 12 million homeless in syria. the bloodiest civil war since, that we've seen in decades in the middle east. there's really an urgent situation, so we've got to continue to processing, but security first. neil: all right, ambassador, thank you very, very much. appreciate it. >> thank you, neil. neil: all right, this volatility in oil continues. it's been down, it's been up,
but if you were thinking of an alarming, smart reaction where oil just soared, you'd be wrong. much like our markets that are up largely on deal news, they are not having a panic reaction to this. if anything, oil has just turned positive, but it is still soft at a little bit north of $41 a barrel. we'll have a lot more after this and what those fluctuating prices mean for this latest war on terror, after this. good. very good. you see something moving off the shelves
one of the country's biggesties financial services firms? or 13,000 financial advisors who say thank you? it's why edward jones is the big company that doesn't act that way. >> we also have to remember that many of these refugees are the victims of terrorism themselves, that's what they're fleeing. slamming the door in their faces would be a betrayal of our values. our nations can welcome refugees who are desperately seeking safety and insure our own security. we can and must do both. neil: all right. well, try telling that to six governors who have already anticipated not on their watch and not in their states, others expected to follow.
and if some of this rings a bell, it should. it was way back during the can cuban boat crisis -- the cuban boat crisis we had a lot of cubans dumped on the united states. many were sent to arkansas. at time, we're talking about the late 1970s, bill clinton was the golf of that state -- the governor of that state, and he was railing against the democratic president, jimmy carter, for leaving arkansas to deal with the mess. now we have those in paris saying this is a federal issue, not a state issue, quit your whining. problem with these refugees, seth, of course, the deputy undersecretary of the navy for both the reagan and bush administrations. secretary, what do you make of that response, the federal response is we have an obligation, you states essentially deal? >> well, on the clinton and arkansas issue that you mentioned just a moment ago, there wasn't a problem with cubans coming in and blowing themselves up.
so that's an important difference between this situation and the one that you referred to a moment ago. the governors of the states who don't want to accept the refugee s are acting perfectly sensibly. there's reason to believe that one of the terrorists in paris had come from syria, and there's no reason to believe that this administration can vet -- which is to say check out the background -- of 10,000 syrians who are coming in here from syria. none at all. neil: you know, a lot of them said at the time those governors in the late '70s dealing with the cuban ordeal that there were some criminals in the ranks, there were some inmates -- >> sure. neil: but you're quite right, there was not the immediate threat of any one of them showing harm here. having said that, do you think it puts hillary clinton in an odd position today to be taking the position that her husband railed against at the time as a
governor fighting, you know, the federal government forcing this down his throat? [laughter] >> yes, i think it puts her in a very odd position. there's, there's a legitimate fear that among the people who would come in from syria are people who mean to harm us, and you'd have to be stupid not to realize that. we, your previous guest talked about how the united states has been big-hearted, that's true. but we, up to now at least, haven't had a tradition of being stupid. and to bring people in from a country that is a, basically, failed state where terrorism is rampant and not know who they are is, transcends stupid. neil: i like that, transcends stupid. secretary, do you get a feeling that with the president's statements today nothing has
changed on our part? we might work in concert with the russians, we might not, but as far as troops deployed, as far as commitment to that region, as far as our policies toward syrian airstrikes more of them, less of them, nothing has really changed, right? >> nothing has changed. look, neil, if you notice what the french targets were for the raids that were carried out in the past 24 hours, it was a command center, an ammo dump, a recruitment center and a training camp. so what does that tell you, why were those places in existence? why hadn't they been destroyed before? and do i see that policy changing and the restrictions placed on the use of american air power changing? not at all. the president said so in so many words. it's going to be a long fight.
that means, you know, somebody else will have to figure it out. neil: secretary, thank you very. >> thank you, neil. neil: all right. we do know this was all crafted and largely discussed on social media. so now we are trying to use social media to fight back. but in so doing, is privacy being trampled on? after all, france is in a state of emergency. and our own judge is in a state of concern. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift?
neil: all right. we've got stocks running away here right now, most of them up, 25 of them are occupy occupy up of the -- are up of the dow 30. this huge deal in the hotel sector, and i wish i could say that that itself, the hospitality industry, the leisure industry, the airline industry, it is not, for obvious reasons after these paris attacks, not exactly a hot sector. what i found very revealing is that these two giants are going through with their deal even with and even after what happened in paris. and, obviously, wall street taking note. some are also taking note of what they see as promising signs president obama and russian president putin are entering sort of a detente stage, that they're going to talk to each other. i don't know if they're making a bigger deal out of that than is warranted. nevertheless, connell mcshane is following all these developments particularly over social media. >> reporter: well, social media specifically, neil, and technology in general is just playing a larger role, and it's been changing the role it's been
playing in the way these terrorists communicate with each other, be and we're finding out more as the investigation continues into the powers attacks. -- paris attacks. the terrorists are known to use apps that have encryption technology in them, the likes of snapchat and what's app and there are other examples of this where they're encrypted, so they're difficult to be hacked, they're also difficult for law enforcement officials to follow along and track. in fact, listen to the new york city police commissioner, bill bratton, talking about this very phenomenon this weekend. >> these apps, these devices that now allow these terrorists to operate effectively without fear of penetration by intelligence services, this is the first example of this. this is something that is going to need to be debated very quickly, because we cannot continue operating where we are blind which is our offense, gathering intelligence and acting on it. >> reporter: now be, another venue that has presented itself as a way for these terrorists to
communicate is video games. peer-to-peer communication systems in many of the video game systems whether it be sony playstation has certainly presented itself as a big example of this, in in fact, a y playstation 4 was confiscated overseas when the authorities were investigating in belgium. they're able to communicate with themselves about possible terror attacks in the future, very, very hard to track. neil: all right, connell, thank you very much. i always love having him on, smartest guy here at fox by far, judge andrew napolitano on this privacy debate that is ensuing post the french crackdown. they have a state of emergency. judge, i think what that means when president hollande issued the state of emergency is the government has full run of things, right? >> yes. it's a state of affairs that would be alien to us under the constitution here. france already has the ability to intercept any e-mail and text message and phone call without a search warrant. the government can do it on its own. that's as the result of
legislation passed after the carr will hi hebdo -- "charlie hebdo" -- neil: so that was in place. didn't do much good. >> no, it didn't. as a result of the state of emergency that he declared, i think, yesterday, they can break down any door, they can aanybody, and they can hold them for 72 hours without presenting them to a judge or magistrate and without giving a reason. he has asked the parliament to authorize that state of emergency be extended for three months. neil: that's right. >> that could radically change in one respect for safety, in another respect terrible for civil liberties the french society as we know it if the police have that authority and the military has that authority for three months. he'll neil well, we already know -- neil: well, we already know european union members are not quite going the state of emergency route, but very close to it not only beefing up their respective borders, so the open european border thing is gone. but they're also cracking down
on communications and following a lot of nefarious types even if it ends up they're not nefarious types. how far can this go? what worries you? >> what worries me is that that might come here. european union, none of them has a constitution like ours or a fourth amendment. under our constitution the government has to have what's called articulable suspicion, and that can't be race, religion or ethnicity. so the person has to have done something, the police have to believe they did something before they can follow them, and by follow i mean literally follow on the streets, follow on their iphone, follow on the telephone, follow on all their communications. and over here the police are supposed to get a warrant. now, the nsa does not get a warrant, congress has authorized that. the courts have not yet, not yet ruled on that. but the french problem is that they either weren't utilizing the tools they had, or here's a potential problem for the united states, they were relying just
on their ability to interrupt internet chatter. they were not infiltrating organizations, and they were not using human intelligence because they'd become too reliant on this kind of intelligence getting inside your iphone and your means of communication rather than engaging with people face to face. neil: do you fear given the latest threat apparently at washington that washington could be a future target, that they're already clamping down, we just don't know it? >> yes. yes. because when people are afraid, they will tolerate the loss of liberty. and when that liberty is lost, it rarely comes back. but people, it's human nature -- maybe i'm an oddball because i try not to do this -- but it's human nature to opt for safety and security in times of fear. i don't know how much fear there will be, i suspect there will be quite that what happened in paris on wednesday could happen here. the fear generates activity on
the part of the government, and it generates the watchdogs, the judicial branch looking the other way so the government can keep us safe. neil: right. >> they believe, sometimes right, sometimes wrong, that when the government unsaid our thoughts and our communications, it keeps us safe. we know in the french model, it didn't. didn't work. neil: the judge will be back with me at 4 p.m. for another wrinkle here that we haven't thought of. what if congress all upset when the president is not? i mean, really, really upset, because the president isn't changing his views on this. congress certainly is. we'll look at what could happen if you take that to extremes with a judge who's never afraid to be in those extremes. that's where he lives, in extremes. brilliantly so. the judge, 4 p.m. eastern time today, more after this.
>> it's very enlightening to see tt we are heading into war, and we are going to have to use our military and our defense mechanism to -- neil: well, the president isn't saying that. so we have a weird situation here where the markets are going forward, it sounds like congress is going forward talking about a much more bellicose response
even though the president is not. >> the president is living in denial, and at this point the nation as a whole recognizes that we are at war. and this war has been declared on the united states. whether the president wants to admit that or not. and we need to be ready, and the reality is that most americans realize that and, actually, most of congress realizes that except for the president. neil: all right. so what happens then? i mean, obviously, you have local security in all the various countries that fear they might be next in washington, new york city, for example, many of the european capitals to say nothing of paris. they're changing their posture and how they approach this, convinced that there will be follow-up attacks. are they right? >> yes, they are right. and what an amazing contrast, actually watching the president, president obama, give a speech in turkey and at the same time watching president hollande in france giving a speech and saying we are at war, be they are getting ready for the war
while our president is basically completely discounting isis. it is scary. in europe they are preparing as well as we here mt. united states, because we know -- here in the united states because we know that isis is on the march. isis is empowered, they know there is no leadership in washington to stop them. france is strong, but it's not as strong as the united states. so the superpower is not ready to stop them. they feel right now if they do anything, any little thing it will get much more publicity on the heels of what just happened in paris and, therefore, they will be organizing as we speak if they're going to want to attack, especially those wannabes, lone wolfs who want to make a name for themself. this is the time period where they will do so. neil: i've got to give you credit, young lady, you were ahead of this long before many. they were laughing at you, i don't think they they are laughg now. >> we've been talking about this for ten years. neil: you're right, sadly, we have. >> thank you. neil: over the weekend there were a lot of comments on the
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i remember tweeting out that a lot of republican consultants that i was talking to post the -- because that's what these guys do. it sounds accuracy -- neil: no, i know where they're coming from. >> they said if donald plays this right, you know, this could be a big benefit for him. neil: what did he say that has them -- doctor well, it's not just the fact that two days before he said i'd bomb the crap out of isis, only he didn't use the word "crap." it's his immigration stance -- neil: take no prisoners, rough -- >> we're going to know who's in this country, we're going to send back people that aren't here legally, we're going to do background checks on 'em, and in light of what went on in paris, i mean, listen, we have -- i mean, we have some of the same immigration issues that they do, only they have a much more militant, you would think, a larger militant muslim population over there, but we've got some similarities, you know? a lot of people would turn around and say, yeah, he's right about immigration, that we need
to know who's in this country, because this can happen here. obviously, it can happen here, and we all know that. the new york city police department, fbi, if you talk to anybody in those agencies, they would tell you they sort of, they thwart potential attacks almost all the time, and they're constantly, you know, basically following up on leads and stopping stuff from happening. i mean, this is pretty -- neil: i spoke to an ambassador who works on john kerry's advisory board, how to deal with these issues, we've got to let some people in, scream them, yes, but so many of these folks coming in from syria, they don't have paperwork, they don't have relatives where they can go to much like our parents and grandparents did coming in. so there is no clear, you know, follow through. >> let's make two points here. number one, what is the economic need for syrian refugees? >> there is none to this country. we don't need more poor people coming in this country. we have a problem with poverty here. most average americans sit there
and think why do we, essentially, need to bid down wages to the minimum wage by bringing in an influx of unskilled labor? number two, we should be really clear, the real persecuted ones in syria are the christians. and the christian -- it's one thing to say we'll accept the christian minority in this country because they're being beheaded and attacked, and it's another thick -- another thing to say let's let people in that maybe should be fighting isis over there to protect their own country. i really have a problem with fact that we have to let people in that should be maybe back home and fighting for their freedom. except, listen, unless you're a christian minority there, you belong -- neil: we're going to have a constitutional battle on our hands, that's obvious. you've got six states now saying we don't want 'em, and we've got an board that say -- an ambassador that says truth be told, they don't have any say in the matter. it's a little weird. >> yeah, it is a little weird.
neil: we remember the cuban boat people, many of them ended up in arkansas, then a governor named bill clinton was furious at the president, or jimmy carter, because he was dumping them all on him. >> right. and let's be clear, they released people from prisons and mental institutions -- neil: these were not the best of the lot. >> no. listen, i don't -- listen, it sounds, you do want to help poor people out. this country has a lot of poor people, we should point out, and there's absolutely -- i don't know, what is the economic need to increase the amount of poor people coming into this country? neil: but think about it, charlie, where do these millions go? europe is predictably and understandably saying, no, no, no, this isn't working. and now one of the more hospitable countries, france, is saying it's not working. it's going to be a mess. >> you know, when you combine massive immigration, right, with a welfare state with multiculturalism, okay? the fact that we are not one, we are many. we define ourselves by our differences which is what
campuses have been shoving down our kids' throats now for the last 30 years, you get a recipe for what's going on in paris or what could happen here. and that's what we have in this country. multiculturalism, we have a welfare state, and we have a lot of poor people coming from everywhere in the world. and we don't have a manufacturing base. i mean, you know, listen, when the turn of the century, the 1920s and '30s where there was massive immigration of poor people from europe, let's be clear here, there was a need. we produced stuff. neil: there were connections here and family. >> but there was an economic need. neil: it's a very good point. thank you, charlie. charlie gasparino. all right, we have a lot more here including just who got in through that security labyrinth when they were leaving syria, the latest from paris where they're more interested in mourning right now, understandably, than sort of examining. more after this.
neil: we are up to eight states now in the united states that said the refugees from syria, we do not want them. no way you can force them on us. arkansas, louisiana, massachusetts, michigan, mississippi and texas. only two states said they were okay taking these refugees. elin knowing and pennsylvania. we know a number of european states. italy has said go slow. france, a state of emergency. no more until we sort this out. deidre bolton is in paris. i want to bring in some of my other co-panelists here. deidre, tried to get to the bottom of this. there are now concerns that france was not leasing who was
coming out in the first place. let's face it, this country has been on high alert. you have covered them extensively. the country actually has been more focused in the past. obviously, this is a huge slipup. there is one of the terrorist. also, neil, just as far as where i am standing, this is near where two of the attacks took place. a huge vigil here. i know you have been harboring them. to a point about what happens next. so many big questions. migrants a huge part of that. how did the terrorist communicate? i will be speaking with later the former head of france. a possibility that the terrorists were communicating
through video games. possibly a playstation four. talking about technology as a way to communicate. how much privacy. how much security. how much safety. completely open about just how heavy surveillance is. we had the former french president out earlier saying, even know what, there are about 11,500 people living in france right now. march within x. that is a sensitive file. probably the most outrageous to some. that is to say have these people wear bracelets. they would be under house arrest. we cannot pretend any longer. that is okay.
those are some of the questions lingering about this. neil: i know you have had a very long day and a long weekend. three-month state of emergency. a lot of legal experts. anything you want. using this as a justification. coiling at that? >> you know what, neil, there is a greater assessment. there is a whole different mentality. failing to enforce the safety of our citizens. we will do everything according to the law. but, we will make this country safe again. period. neil: drug, thank you very very
much. i know it has been tough. all right. if the market is worried about this, they have a funny way of showing it is a 12 and a half billion dollar hotel deal. they are not looking back. how long does that last and what does that say? charlie gasparino and trish regan. trish: well, it is overseas. it is in france. people may not be feeling it quite as much back here. with that said, you know, we're moving through very challenging times. this is very much a real threat. i think, for now, you are seeing a divorce they are between the international threats of isis. we have been dealing with this. in a cute way in the last 48 hours. versus the people thinking about the overall market. that could change.
particularly able to separate the two. >> immediate reaction. the london attacks. then we get nervous about something else. the knee-jerk reaction seems to be -- >> i think people absolutely see that here. the muted reactions to how holland has come out swinging. bombing russia. he came out right away. had the french fighter planes doing that. this is a war. this is definitely an attack on the islamic state. right away they felt that. we have real leadership out there. it could have been a lot worse. you see a slight move to the upside. nothing like what we would have felt if we heard silence from france. neil: going through with this
deal. >> going through with it. despite it or because of it. charlie: there are outs for natural disaster. this, obviously, is not equivalent of 9/11. just a couple things going through his mind. not going to raise interest rates right now. there is a sense. maybe they will hold off for a while. i actually have -- neil: i could give you their perspective in a minute. i think, you know, he bombed him. nothing has really changed from a sort of, from friday. you still have very low interest rates. we do not have a war.
we have president obama recognizing that he will have to do something. neil: nothing dramatically different. good point. >> you know, this is a pivotal moment in all of this. i spoke with general alexander for the weekend he talked about how these terrorists are communicating now. he said, look, the results ofed. charlie: i do not think it is. i am not saying that he should not be, one thing, obama -- neil: i think trish regan got to go moment. americans on friday -- neil: set it up. big deal.
neil: they are setting up police officers. they are going to make action right now. they already are. what you see at that moment? you see stabilization. neil: why would you say that? charlie: we are dealing with the president, president obama. ideologically. neil: that is an editorial. he is not changing. neil: does not change at all. trish: as they watch those news events unfold, friday and the weekend, they feel differently. they want to be safe. you do not think the people will change their politics? liz: there was extra security measures taken. at the giants game. a blue it entirely. people were very respectful.
american flags. they waved it. it was unbelievable. >> unless we get eight states now and still counting. neil: it is actually nine states. elin knowing against this. it's florida rejecting this crackdown. charlie: all states with republican governors, i would assume. trish: massachusetts. neil: you are right. charlie: i believe that when i see it. the obama administration did not change its posture one iota, if you think about it. liz: that is correct. they have not changed. we will see what happens. trish: you know what, i think that europeans. i think a lot of it is proof of that. european movement.
liz: when you see the german voters start to push back on angela merkel who they have really supported. she issues another invitation to the migrants. you are still welcome. neil: they said no. >> we will start seeing that real pushback. >> the german people. big european people starting to push back now. i have family over there. italy and france. talking about the most multicultural. people just live separately. most of the population -- neil: rick leventhal there in paris. there is talk in retaliation. rick. >> during his address today, the french president wrote about the need for cooperation. the u.s. has reiterated its position that it will help france and give whatever she needs on this war on terror. that includes sharing targeting data with the french literary
for specific fight in theory out where isis is headquartered. the u.s. shared intel on saturday night on a couple of major sites. we gave 100% support and we will continue to provide that of course. that includes oil revenue targets under operation tidal wave two. the u.s. source said that we are having good results. original opposition. not the oil infrastructure and world war ii. this new version is targeting the oil in the ice operations. on the same day that the french drop those 20 bombs. including isis and command-and-control centers. the u.s. military destroyed 116 isis fuel trucks in syria at the ukrainians river basin. a military official told fox
that u.s. air force hm warthogs tore down the straights kicking off from a turkish airbase. they first dropped leaflets to one the drivers. the rest increased operations, airstrikes over syria and iraq. this will go on for some time now. this is payback. no indication of any forces hitting the ground. neil: thank you very, very much. the question comes back to, forget about how many of them came from these distressed areas in syria. with the help that they had on the inside, obviously the help with the guns in the weaponry, a lot of that was already in place. who were those guys and what
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nine now are saying that. either they cannot deal with it or they cannot be sure that the ie killers slip through. i am also told that the federal government rules here. is that true? >> it does look like it is about to be another states right versus authority clash. rightfully so, the states speak out and say enough is enough. i believe that this administration does need to rethink, especially serious in refugees they need to rethink the agreements with the united nations. though mostly wore fighting aged males that were fighting and coming over here. one in 100.
there will be hundreds of those that are haters. and have already decided that they want to attack america. they need to get here in order to do that. just think what it will be like in the future. neil: i am thinking about the security element here. maybe what you read on the monitor. going through that syrian refugee in southern greece, who was waiting for them? obviously they did not go over that order and all of the stuff that they ultimately used in those attacks. somebody was ready to greet them and arm them. that is what almost worries me more. >> yes.
it is not as if the government officials and france that welcome to france here is an 8 k -- they also cross borders. it probably would not have been such a catastrophe. that is what makes and keeps america safe. neil: now you have folks concerned that according to some of these they are next. they are a target. a log of security officials take matters into their own hands. what should they be doing differently? this surprised me. the same lack of communication among intelligence agencies. we learn from boston. what is the problem there? it seems to be central to these repeat efforts.
>> neil, you are absolutely right. communication. it is information sharing. unfortunately, parochialism. the agency would disappear. i see it rising its ugly head again. here in the western world is next. that is what they are saying. it is a realistic concern. communication is everything when it comes to preventing this from happening. actually getting the information from those sources. the human intelligence that is worldwide. >> thank you very, very much. we are hearing, by the way, last week at this time, french authorities were meeting with counterterrorism leaders to try to find a way to avoid future
they go up after a majority of taxpayers. you have seen this reaction. that could be short. it is a consistent sort of a read here. i could have told you some interesting stories. just last week at this time, we were countering terror leaders. a very real problem. a very real threat. he joins us on the phone right now. doctor, who was that at this meeting. >> great concern throughout europe. the impact of the immigration from nearly syria that was coming in from europe right now. huge numbers of people. embedded in those refugees. we have learned in the aftermath
of these that as many as six of the terrorist did train in syria and it come here with the refugees. there were interior officials through a number of countries looking at that problem. unfortunately, they have come through. neil: when they say they are looking at the problem, mass attacks on popular people intense places? >> the real concern was soft attacks. very much like the ones that we saw. the problem, i have been in this business for over 40 years. the one thing that we have learned and that many europeans as well as american officials are worried about is if you give terrorist safe havens.
they will be a will to launch attacks far beyond their borders. that is what happens on 9/11. these attacks were planned in syria. in somalia and beirut. the one thing that i can not accept is the fact that our government in the united states in the government, most of the governments west of here have been basically complacent about the fact that we have a terrorist safe haven. everyone that we know about terrorist says that it is a disaster. a situation. that is when they could really launch attacks around the world. targets from their own borders.
>> doctor, thank you very, very much. talk about attacks and the threat of other follow-up attacks, there was concern over the weekend that washington, d.c. may be next. we are hearing from the fbi. there is no credible threat at this time. again, stressing at this time. i will keep you posted on that. also keep you posted on bernie sanders. climate change. i am not kidding. he is blaming us on climate change. ♪
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neil: all right. we still don't know what triggered these series of attacks. whether hatred on part of some isis malcontents but gerri willis found that among some democrats they're coming up with the darnedest reasons for this incredible act of terror. gerri? >> no kidding, economic injustice seems to be at top of the list. poverty what you and i call it. that seems the big reason the left believe people are doing it. listen to marie harp, spokeswoman for the state department. we need to go after the root causes that lead people to join groups, whether lack of opportunity for jobs. hillary rodham clinton as head of the state department, she said this, stopping people from becoming terrorists requires addressing political, economic and social conditions that make people vulnerable. we have to provide an
alternative view rooted in hope, opportunity and possibility. so, you see these people think that being poor is somehow correlated with being violent and, killing other people. but what really takes the cake here is bernie sanders. this candidate for president, listen to what he said is the reason behind these bombings. >> in fact climate change is directly related to growth of terrorism. an if we do not get our act together and listen to what scientists say you will see countries all over the world, this is what the cia says, they will struggle over limited amounts of water and land and to grow their crops and you will see all kinds of international conflict. >> i'm not sure how we get from global warming to terrorism, what the link is there. he is not very clear about it but seems persuaded about himself. neil: earlier one about attackers of one side of economic tracks, we learned in
9/11, learned in the madrid attacks and two london attacks at least three of the attackers in these attacks that they came from upper middle class families. one, very wealthy family. i don't know that always translates. >> osama bin laden, look at this the son of a saudi construction company owner. went to best schools in saudi arabia. mohammed atta, 9/11 lead hijacker, son of an egyptian lawyer. worked on his doctorate at german university in urban planning. al-zawahiri, surgeon from a leading egyptian family. al-alwaki, studied for phd at george washington university. they were not people marginalized these were not people who didn't have access to education and money and had it and turned it away. i believe because of hate. that is what their motivation is here. it is hate. not a desire to move up the corporate ladder for goodness sakes. that is not why you bomb people. neil: desire to destroy the
ladder. gerri willis incredible. this is something that former pentagon spokesperson jamie gordon pounded in my head as long as we talk, repeated terror attacks. hate is hate. message from gerri's good reporting that is what the theme here. it is not class or economic theme. it is a hate theme. >> neil, great to see you. excellent report. yeahs it is a hate thing. you have radical islamists waging war against united states and west. they have been doing so since the 1970s. this is battle between sunni extremists originating in saudi arabia and shia extremists originating in iran. they are battling each other and have bull's-eye on our back. neil: why? i know you hear this a lot but why? what is it about us they resent? is it our movies or culture? some say our decadent -- what is it that sets them off? >> that is all part of it. a lot of it is jealousy. they're jealous that their
religion teaches them they're supreme yet we're the superpower. it doesn't compute in their heads. they complain about israel. i disagree with them there. they will find any excuse they can to blame us, whatever policy we have. they don't like how we have troops in the middle east. didn't like we had troops in saudi arabia. bin laden, felt rebuffed that he couldn't lead a army to get saddam hussein out of. there are a lot of reasons. as long as you have radical clerics from mecca to tehran, it is okay to behead people and enslave girls. we'll not get out of this mess. they will keep coming after us until we're destroyed. neil: a number of states say we will not deal with 100,000 refugees, 10,000 presumably coming from syria, we're not accepting them. ohio the 10th state, presidential candidate and governor of that state. i'm told they don't have a stay.
if the federal government says they're getting these refugees, they have to take them in. i could see this causing a huge, huge issue, volatile one at that in this country. >> me too, neil. some governors are starting to push back like in michigan. radio spot, he is pushing back. more governors are doing that. we can't accurately vet these people because there is no screening process other than what they say. neil: how were they vetted in southern greece? one of these alleged assassins entered through southern greece from syria as part of the amnesty program, that is disputed, not everyone buys it. but i'm going on some data that was the case but if that was the case, there might have been two more like that, i'm reading from the, reporting in "the financial times" on that issue. it might be updated. i might be wrong but it would obviously call into question how closely these refugees were looked at, right? >> they're not looked at very well at all.
europe has not really enforced their borders. there are several greek islands just off the coast of turkey. the what happens, syrian migrants and refugees, come to turkey, and only a few miles from the turkish coast to those greek islands. once they get to the greek islands, they get a free ferry trip to athens. from there go up the rest of europe. europe shouldn't be so lax with their borders. i think we should do more here not take refugees where radical islam is problem. we took the tsarnaev brothers from chechnya. they got radicalized here, because that poisonous idea ecology coming from the middle east and vulnerable to europe and united states. we ignore to our own peril. could have more attacks like 9/11 and paris attacks. neil: i'm worried plenty of all those who sneak in here, but in case of paris, i'm no dummy, i play one on tv, they obviously had a willing, accepting base
for them to come to, complete with weapons and complete with the type of stuff forbidden in paris, one of the most serious anti-gun cities in the planet, in one of the most serious anti- gun countries on planet. they found a safe refuge already in place. that is what worries me, where the safe refuges are, they seem to be all over the place. >> they're all the place, neil. there are five million must preliminaries in prance. france and germany are paralyzed by political correctness. so is sweden. they do so at their own peril. i've been around europe many times. i spent several different months there on think taping speaking tours. anybody in europe, on a train or concert at soccer game, get blown up and shot today. that is not theoretical. it could happen here. i'm afraid with will happen in washington or new york before we take enough steps to prevent it.
neil: you and i are old enough to remember, you don't have to be that old, january in those attacks in the same neck of the woods as these. couldn't happen again. remember in 1993, with the first world trade center bombing, people said we just dodged that one. it will never happen here. the thing about terrorists, they like a shot doing it again. >> they do. we have to push back against islamophobia, that is garbage term. people ought to push back on it, disinformation campaign and protect our lives. neil: jamierd gordon, thank you very much. the whatever the point of view the notion it could never happen again is proven to be wrong again and again. that is not me saying that. that is history proving that. stick around. ♪ can a business have a mind?
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neil: just me thinking, which can always be dangerous, my friend, if the president didn't change his posture how to deal with isis, largely he did not in his statements in turkey today, what if he maintains that sort of steady as she goes policy with isis and congress wants to do much more, then what? republican congressman mike kaufman, on growing pressure to authorize war against isis. congressman, good to have you. that would be unusual, put it mildly. congress urging one course of action and president another. what happens then? >> i don't know that we -- whether we want to declare on isis doesn't really matter because isis has declared war on us. neil: i don't know. that might be news to the president, sir. that is all i'm saying. >> that is news. i think president sees it as just another criminal act when there is terrorist attack. i see it and my colleagues see it as act of war.
french president sees this as act of war. this should have been predicted, this attack. we knew there would be some spectacular attack outside of the middle east, because there are reversals. isis has faced reversals within its own territory. and so, they have in fact, they have to act outside of their territory to do some kind of attack to show they have got momentum. to show they are the place to be if you're a radical islamists, a jihadist, you want to be a recruit in isis. if you're a donor or want to contribute, to isis, but, if isis is seen not having momentum, that's a problem. those resources in terms of recruit and money will dry up. so they needed to do this to show they have momentum. we need to blunt their momentum. neil: congressman, do you have any reason to doubt the fbi when it says it has no credible
evidence that washington, d.c. would be a target after this weekend when a number of u.s. security officials were worrying washington could be a target any know you can't divulge confidences sir, nor would i want to you do that, but we're getting mixed reads how much of a threat isis could be to us or any one of our prominent cities. >> they want soft targets. they want us to hit it where we're not the expecting. and they want to maximize casualties. we need to be prepared. neil: that is putting it mildly. congressman, thank you very, very much. >> unfortunately this is what america looks like -- this is what the world looks like without leadership. neil: we're all on the same page, right or left what we're doing now does not appear to be working. thank you, sir. meanwhile, if you go after isis's means of financing, in other words, how they fund their attack, you go after where they have oil, oil they have seized or taken, is that enough? did not appear to be in this case.
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>> i was seeing where they get most of their money, isis. they get most of their money from oil. some in iraq, some in syria. somebody said you can't bomb iraq. that is sovereign nation. do me a favor, bomb them. >> we're working with syrian forces as well to squeeze isil, cut on their supply lines. we've been coordinating internationally to reduce their financing capabilities. the oil that they're trying to ship outside. neil: well, apparently not enough. certainly not enough to thwart last weekend's attacks. so the question then becomes, what to do about an organization that seems to have a lot of cash on hand? the pentagon already estimates
that isis makes at minimum, minimum, one million dollars a day just smuggling oil. that is why they go after the oil trucks and refineries, what have you. but our own charles payne says that might be conservative figure but bottom line they do have access to money. >> they do have access to money, and to donald trump's point, a point a lot of people have brought up a lot, why aren't we going after money? two ways to go after the money, destroy source of it, oil, and find out their banking. you don't have entity taking in a million, to two million dollars a day and they have people all over the world, they sell all kinds of oil to all kinds of countries without a banking system. neil: they're not putting that in big ol' bag. >> no, they're not. here's the thing. i put on my show, targets isis's infrastructure. we targeted 3200 buildings, fighting, stages areas.
infrastructure out of 10,000 oil infrastructure targets only 196. that is a shocking, shocking number. today, vladmir putin said something at g20 meeting a lot of people missed. he says russia has aerial surveillance of trucks and trucks and trucks and trucks. if you were to go to 3,000 feet in the air you couldn't see them over in the horizon, like pipeline. they do business with 40 countries including g20 countries. why don't we go after oil? maybe some friends are benefiting from cheap isis oil. neil: how do we go after our friends. >> i don't know. this is how complicated this, what donald trump said, what generals said over a year, common person said for a long time, why don't we blow these up? some generals told me, we worry about rebuilding cost, you know, a little bit flimsy. neil: not in that region. why start worrying now. >> blow it up, victor is, rebuild it. hopefully someone friendly to the west. that is an interesting thing.
think about what vladmir putin says. they're financed isis by 40 countries at least. neil: can we previous that? can we trust him? obviously must be enough, because we're entering into mini detente with them, aren't we. >> they're selling oil to someone. making million to two million dollars a day from someone buying oil. pretty interesting, i guess pretty attractive below market prices. 40 bucks now -- neil: if you're intermediary you don't want to know where it comes from but you have a good idea where it is coming from, you look the other way. >> i think so. but at very least we start bombing trucks and oil facilities. why not choke off money where it begins. neil: what i worry about? not so batched guys sneaking in to do all sorts of harm. incheweding that might have crossed into southern greece and joined these asylum-seekers from syria but who they met up with. they didn't come in with rifles
and weapons. they were already in place in paris. who to the them in place? the ones who were there already? where are those guys? to your point about are so-called friends who might be already, all every at globe, just providing network and these guys come to the network. >> this particular mastermind, headquartered out of belgium, there are others just like them. got to be some in america. we have to believe they're in places like washington, d.c. an new york city. that there are also stash houses. there are places where weapons are waiting for them. all you do show up here with the clothes on your back. you know what to do there. neil: a lot are young men, perfectly willing to die for the cause. an doctrine nated to fight for cause. hard to fight that. >> suicide vests they all blow them up. you're right, determined to die for the so-called cause. you have to stop them from getting to that point. i think that is the whole thing. that is really tough. one of the more frustrating things for a lot of people. we always seem to flag the
twice, neil. he was, they pulled him aside two months ago. interrogated him to let him go. are you kidding me, we had so many in our grasp. neil: two 9/11 hijackers caught for speeding tickets. >> it is nuts. neil: interesting retrospective. look at dow, if those guys are worried about anything charles and i just said they have a funny way to show it. or are they proving our point? we explain, you decide. ♪
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shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right neil: i think we're up to 10 states that don't want to take in any refugees. 10,000 are part of 100,000 refugees the administration wants to be here. white house putting out this statement. we'll continue to consult with states to allay any concerns they have about this program. we're confident we can move
forward with the plan to resettle syrian refugees, safely. they might talk to some of those governors are not so convinced especially those who leave no paper trail. trish regan, i guess that is the problem. a lot of them have no paper trail. to you. trish: makes it very hard. neil cavuto. we have breaking news we want to share with you at this hour. the governor of north carolina, pack mccrory will come out any moments exactly what north carolina will do in terms of refugees. do not forget less than six weeks from now the president of the united states, barack obama, will admit as many as 10,000 refugees into this country. nine states have come out and saying they will not take any syrian refugees. north carolina could become the 10th. we'll go to the coverage as soon as it comes through for you. the governor of north carolina set to speak. this hour french authorities zeroing in