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encage the hostage taking, we are closing with the dow jones average of 108 points and the news from mali is a hostage crisis is over. the security minister says at least 20 dead. my time is up. neel, 8 is yours. neil: that situation is over in mali. the details coming to was are haunting and a lot scary. we will get that to you shortly. needless to say a week of this sort of thing back-and-forth all over the world has people on high alert all over the world including in new york, times square where we are told police presence is triple what it normally is. we will keep you posted on that but if this is rattling investors last week and this week it has a funny way of showing it. all through this week a funny way of showing it. the dow in positive territory on both year, the isn't the on track for what could be its biggest weekly gain on the year.
so much going on. first these developments with connell mcshane. connell: these developments have come in fast and furious from the west african nation of mali where hostages were taken earlier and held for hours by a group of islamic extremists. by all accounts, in the last hour or so, the situation has indeed wrapped up but the numbers we are getting are not good. the associated press awhile ago said 18 bodies were found. the washington phaost s added, reports of 20 people being dead. the bottom line is they are still lining up the damage after a terrible day in this country. what happened was earlier today a group of gunmen according to the reports ten gunmen stormed into a luxury hotel and by radisson, stormed into the hotel, the rwere yelling god is
great, they cleared the hotel floor by floor and they werey w great, they cleared the hotel floor by floor and they were able to complete the process but the damage is being dealt with within militant group linked to al qaeda, islamic extremists also linked to an attack on an algerian gas plant in 2013 that killed 40 people is claiming responsibility for this attack. according to early reports 20 people may be dead but it may take some time to add up exactly how bad things are. neil: you are getting this information just coming in but was this result of the authorities storming the hotel and not taking chances much as the french had in the concert hall last week? connell: it seems like that with the officials in mali working with other special forces, u.s. special forces according to some reports may have been involved, they go in and they do it 4 x 4
and as they were doing that we had reports initially of 30 hostages being freed and the number went up to 80 hostages being freed and the most recent report the entire situation being wrapped up to the point you are making, we talked to many experts about this, a situation like this you know is terror in dues, a group of terrorists inside you storm the facility and ask questions later, not a group you can negotiate with, they knew that going in and they did go in and doing x -- 4 x 4. neil: we will get updates throughout the day. i want to get a read out with a former u.s. navy seal sniper. this is the second time we have seen the authorities not really look around on this sort of thing even though there is a risk to hostages still there's a storm compound, a concert hall in paris and a hotel today in mali.
the thinking seems to be if they don't do that, the hostage count could go even higher. talking about the dead hostage count. what do you think of authorities doing what they did as french authorities did as they did last week? >> in terms of storming the compound? i think your last guest was accurately reporting listen, these folks are not there to negotiate but to cause problems. we have seen radical islamic ideology spreading exponentially, success breeds success whether you are in business for the jihad business, folks want attention, there are al qaeda fl lipitor isis affiliate's, doesn't matter, you can be an affiliate easily on line. it is the right thing to do for french, u.s. and molly special forces to storm the building because they are not here to negotiate. "cavuto coast to coast" neil: they seem to take a lot of hostages and that seems to the bargaining chip but they don't
mind going to meet their maker as well in the process. people who are perfectly fine killing themselves as they kill others? >> i will say to you that if they want to meet their maker we should expedite that process. neil: let me ask about something else, how we term this and how we address this. there is great reluctance to say radical muslims, radical islam, extreme islam. great departure from that. what do you think of that? others who argue against language, semantics, we know who the enemy is, we are going after the enemy, what difference does it make how we define the enemy? what do you say? >> excellent question. i think language does matter and leadership matters and every american out there quite frankly many americans are upset and tired of tiptoeing around
calling this exactly what it is which is radical islamic terrorism and these are radical islamic groups. we are not at war with islam and muslims, i spent years in the middle east and muslims are quite frankly bearing the brunt, they know there was a radical extremists problem. we need to use the power of language, what the actual problem is absolutely. neil: here it is where we wonder if we appreciate and magnitude of this problem with the islamic community. and the swinging turkey in greece, an 18 or so thousand, when a moment of silence, and is this more, a hostile view of the west is that more widespread than we know.
it is widespread and if we're defining the problem and not hitting it and combating the ideology with partners and nation states and civilized nations around the world including muslim nations and we will have a bigger problem because low threat is growing exponentially. we have a huge problem. is very obvious and a threat that is growing exponentially and we have to have a man hunt with partner nations that hunt down those who perpetrate these horrendous acts but we have to confront ostensibly the ideology that is spreading exponentially. neil: thank you very much, scott taylor, u.s. navy seal sniper. i want to bring you up-to-date on some tesla news. the company is recalling 90,000 model-s sedans to check for possible seatbelts issues. we will keep you posted, 90,000 vehicles being recalled to look into that.
if we get more we will let you know. the latest from ashley webster air where i guess they are reassessing isis and how it goes about doing what it does. ashley: they certainly are. by the way, another victim of those attacks died today bringing the death toll to 130 with 315 injured. it has been almost exactly one week when the first attack was launched, in the past week, french authorities realized maybe the surveillance of terror suspects is inadequate, if not, pause to say the least, they understand the tracking of terror suspects is weak and the sharing of information between countries with in the e.u. is inadequate. the leader of these tax managed
to slip into france using syrian refugee crisis as a cover if you like to get into western europe. in response to that the e.u. said it is going to read evaluates their passport checks areas, they have what they call the zone where people, e.u. citizens can come and go freely in 26 countries without the use of a passport, that we understand is coming to an end. we will have their passports can't, everyone checked against the terror watch list and there's a call to share airline passenger information's so they can better track where these individuals are, where they come from and where they could be headed. surveillance video of the mastermind of these paris attacks, riding a subway, right at the same time the attacks were taking place, he was then seen in the northern suburb saint-denis smoking cigarettes
and drinking alcohol under the nose of french authorities and he does the most wanted person and was able to do that so obviously a lot of serious questions being asked as to how something like that could have happened. neil: all week ago tonight the attacks started in an open-air cafe. as you look around now a lot of folks at dinner, whether they're legal in into a cafes, how are they behaving? ashley: people continue to flock to the areas where the shootings took place, leave flowers and light candles which is no easy task in what has been driving rain for the last two days the they continue to come. there are those who say we should not change our way of life, we should come to the restaurant and cafes paris is so famous for but many people are not, they are concerned, lot of people staying away from the busy shopping areas but i will tell you at 9:20 p.m. local
time, three hours from now there has been a call from artists and cultural figures in france who have set at 9:20 turn on all your lights, light candles, play music, make a loud noises just to let the terrorists know that you cannot white out our culture or our freedom. we will keep an eye alfred that. to answer your question, the streets are certainly more empty than they would be and there is a lot more troops and heavily armed police officers than you would normally see. neil: thank you very much, ashley webster from paris. former army ranger captain john parnell with us. i was thinking about how isis works on two levels, one, to go after people and killed them and secondly afterwards to give them pause especially during the holiday period of the year, to may be keep them home, don't go
out to restaurants, don't go to cafes, don't go to shops and extend that worldwide so they succeed in a small event, a big event in paris where they claim 130 lives to have an economic impact worldwide. what do you think? >> you are absolutely right but the best thing we can do to combat global terrorism as a citizenry is to be informed, unafraid and trained to respond to those circumstances. anitgunners won't like is the armed citizenry might be the best response, people who are trained to respond on site with violence in the face of these terrorists. the authorities can't be at all places at all times that you are absolutely right, i think these terrorist attacks have far greater economic impact than we ever thought before. neil: i want to get your thoughts, connell mcshane was responding, they seized hostages
and reusing them as shields and ultimately as they did in the concert hall case in france, picked them off one by one. i wonder if they immediately go to that as the tension rebels have done with the russians. does that indicate a strategy change on their part or multi front strategy to in the case of paris where they spray cafes and restaurants, closing a stadium going to a concert hall and seizing captives, they seem to work on many fronts simultaneously. mali just the latest example of that. would do you think? >> you are absolutely right. their mission is to strike fear into the hearts of freedom loving people and they do it by killing them in very public ways. in the case of the attacks in france they attacked a stadium with multiple suicide bombers, drew the resources in, the french authorities into that bubble and they had other locations simultaneously, precisely so they could instill
fear in the hearts across all of france and that is happening. they are enjoying some operational freedom because we don't have a coherent strategy to deal with them in their homes. cme and iraq. isis has done a great job consolidating power we need a comprehensive strategy to deal with them in their homeland so they can't hit us in our. stuart: hope people listen. former ranger, you are real hero, you don't like to say that. i will do the bragging for you. thank you very much. i want to bring you an update on this test but recall apparently it will be 90,000 model-s tesla cars in the front seat on the passenger side, the seat belts can unfasten, it can disconnect,
not good for the passengers but the point is this is the largest recall to islam ever had and it is wearing a tad on the stock today. we will keep you posted on what is going on around town. we have a peek at new york's times square and the area in front of us in new york where we are told we are on the highest alert possible right now. you wouldn't notice that outside hire police presence, the rule of thumb is if you see something say something which in this neck of the woods would warrant saying something constantly but authorities are there half in force, police presence triple b normal number in concentrated -- lifetime square, sending a reminder to terrorists, we are here, make no more, after this.
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connell: breaking news as we stay on top of developments out of mali, these numbers would change and they have, reuters is reporting 27 people i dead in the hostagetaking at this luxury hotel in mali earlier today where a group of extremists rushed into this hotel, and took a number of hostages, early morning report said 170 hostages, the number kept going down as special forces from military operations including u.s. military special forces went in and clearing out floor by floor and the latest report, 27 are dead but this just wrapped up in the last hour or so, an ongoing situation all morning long. neil: they were killed by those who were holding them or authorities who came in and
might have accidentally -- connell: the only recourse i have seen that distinguishes between the two is when they wrapped up this situation they said two of the attackers were killed and we got reports from the number of total dead, 27 seems to be the total number, this figure that just came out. neil: as scary as these developments are, a few hours from now we could go to the hour, it could be scarier. we are getting indications out of paris they rethinking bigger and more brutal and ugly, and more casualties, the use of chemical weapons and if not there, anywhere they could end can. the former ambassador to bahrain, what do you make of that, not only is isis changing tactics in the way it goes about conventional terror but way beyond how they go about that with needy chemical terror. what do you think of that?
>> they have already used chemical weapons. the organization has documented isis's use of mustard agents in their fight in syria so is not a question of if but when. neil: that is the scary part and whether we can do anything to stop it. it is hard enough we track to track the shatter some how would you deal with something like that or is it just going to happen? >> the frustrating thing about listening to the commentary about isis and now commentary on mali, the problem, the problem is much bigger than anybody wants to admit. here it is in a nutshell. as long as these groups controlled territory and have the institutions of states supporting them, they will attack us at a time and place of their choosing and there's
nothing we can do about it. the only way to defeat isis or has below or hamas or al qaeda or boca raton which are versions of the same thing, religious and motivated terrorist groups that use extremist violence to promote their agenda. unless we can deny them the territory that allows them to plan and execute their attacks against us, and as we can deny them the support of states that given the resources and logistical support to create their networks, we are defenseless. the problem is, however, to do that requires a couple things, number one it requires states that are friendly to was that have credible security forces in control of their territory and it requires fighting and working against those states that are
unfriendly to us and use their resources and territory to support these groups. at the head of that list, i would put iran, iraq has become a stateless place where she at militias and iranian agents use iraq against us, so that is an expensive proposition and i don't think congress or the american people are prepared to make the financial and political and economic and sacrifice lives and treasure to do that but unless we are you can talk about tactics all you want, the geopolitics of this par to our detriment. neil: i think you are right about that and that includes nation's leading car friendly to us. we are getting word that ben carson is going through the motions of filing paperwork to be accountable on the ballot, president of the united states in the financial primary, he is
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. neil: all right. never mind all the terror attacks, they began last week in paris, continued in mali today, you would think that would scare the western world, you would see any capitalism and wouldn't see it in retail, who are obviously a reflection of shoppers and consumers, they're all up or most of at home are about the christmas shopping season. so maybe that's something that's not appreciated here but i always like to remind, folks, in the middle of panic. wall street financial community issues in general can be a good proxy for how we feel and the confidence we have in our sustaining western civilization
at least has been in our case to hold steady. to show confidence, to say it's not the end of the word. what do you make of it? >> well, talk to wall street for a second. you're trained consistently on wall street to go in the opposite direction and so i remember one of my trainers at goldman sachs said, hey, on paris island when people hear gunshots, they start running from the bullets, they get eight weeks on paris island they get warned to run toward the bullets, well, on wall street you run toward the fear and see where the opportunity is in that panic. right now i think what we think on wall street not to be overly conventional and talk consensus-wise but these problems are solvable. if the global community
organizes against isis and at the remnants of al-qaeda these are solvable, people can return to the streets and feel safe. the question, though, is when? when will that happen? the fact that president hol aworks nd has been so forceful, that's a good sign for nato and the community. neil: but it's also been over there that the attacks in mali today and getting an update on that, the 27 dead in this hostage crisis, including five attackers, we don't know if that's all of the attackers, but, again, the read is as you will often here, anthony, we don't object sense access over it as much because it's not here. >> it's harder to get in than people are suggesting but i was in afghanistan three weeks ago, and i was relaying this story prior to the paris attacks and i haven't seen this anywhere. it's not classified but we disrupted an al-qaeda terrorist method six weeks ago in the southeastern province of afghanistan. we sent drone strikes and seals in there to take out the
laptops and hard tops and one of them saying to us is that they disrespected what he called execution style attacks and some of the western cities were targeted. so their point was they need to be there to disrupt this organized training, organized operational potential events that could happen. the reason i'm bringing it up right now if you don't have that presence, you're going to put people that are civilians in harms way. we have to really explain that to people why we're over in these places and frankly, you know, the president did make a decision to lead the 9800 going down to the 5,500. when you do the math on those numbers, that's to keep those bases open and operational. so even he sees the threat, neil,. neil: but your count jeb bush. >> yeah. neil: he went even a little further on what we should be doing. i want to get your reaction to this. this is from jeb bush earlier. >> leadership means that you
draw the arab countries together in a unified force that you bring europe along. only the united states can do this. i would ask the commander -- i would ask the military leaders to say give me an option to destroy isis. neil: what he was telling maria bartiromo is maybe more boots on the ground. >> yeah. neil: do you think the appetite for america is there for that? >> you know, i think the appetite for america is to feel safe and be safe and have a better explanation of what actually is going on. rather than the defensiveness coming from the administration, didn't i they would like a real clarity. talked about these terrorist events back in april of '86, it was clear why he was bombing libya. so what you're hearing from jeb, i was having breakfast with jeb after the show, there were 50 of us, not just me, but build a coalition like his father did and these are people who want to live in a civilized society and protect
civilians. so we're going to have to do that whether we like it or not and i think the american people understand the risk if they travel to afghanistan like i did three weeks ago and understood the risks out there and understood what we're up against, i do think they would be willing. neil: all right. we shall see. >> i tell you this, sir. the troops are willing. neil: they always are. it's amazing. anthony, thank you very, very much. we do want to keep you updated on what's going on in the markets. we're not ignoring this, the dow on the positive territory in the year, the s&p on track and i've got the expert with me so i've got to be careful but i think we're the best week of the year for the s&p 500. i'm going to sneak out of here before he starts testing my knowledge for that. in the meantime we've got jack dorsey; right? he's going to the to focus on twitter. that's fine and he's got -- he's spread thin. but when it comes to twitter, is he doing enough not for the stock but for a fight against terror? we'll explore that after this
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neil: all right. a week after the paris attacks, we thought you would take a peek of how defense stocks have done. a lot of people take advantage of that sort of thing in an environment like this, these are the issues that will do well. sure enough over the last week they have done very, very well. this, again, is over the course of just this week how much these defense names have soared. and that is following a lockstep reaction to any time
we see a terror attack, especially one well-known western country, even when it extends to mali today. in the meantime we've got charlie gasparino here and speaking of all things terror, a lot of pressure on jack dorsey over twitter to do more. not for the stock, for saving lives. explain. >> well, it's interesting that hillary clinton just came out and said social media -- particularly twitter -- needs to do more step up, monitor its sites more. but when you hear from the business community, when i talk to business people about this, even investment bankers, jack dorsey is running two companies. he did the ipo, became extremely rich yesterday very big ipo. neil: and they were okay with him doing it at twitter. >> he's running twitter, he did an ipo with square where he's running square, this guy is running two companies when one of his companies is essentially used as a tool for terrorism. now, he's not promoting it as
a tool for terrorism but let's be clear here. the terrorists use twitter to talk to each other, to recrui. neil: and they use other means too but twitter is the biggest. >> it's one of the biggest means. neil: what do you say they want done? >> well, i will say this. if you look at twitter and the other social media measures like gook, if you look at the steps they've taken, they've both taken steps to crack down, it's clear that twitter has not lived up to the efforts that facebook has. i think we found out that one of your producers found out twitter had one major crack down while back has had many major crack downs. this guy's running two companies. how can he basically keep an eye on what's going on at twitter, help twitter make more money, which as you know stock, but also help prevent it from being a tool from terrorism. neil: isn't that the same that these guys donated run two companies but still busy guys, call to the question about whether they provide a means
that bad guys do bad things. >> it's not the same pressure. he's running two companies and one of the companies he's running is a major conduit for terrorism, to talk and communicate and whatever. that twitter is that. that is more than anything else. neil: but what about the if you're snapchat or facebook or playstation; right? >> zuckerberg runs facebook, he's running it. this guy's not spread thin. neil: here's where they're all joined at the hip, and i can extend this to apple. no, if you give us an order to spy on our users, we're not going to do it. >> well, there's something to be said for that, i agree with that but you can't yell fire in a crowd of movie theater. you cannot use your social media network to promote illegal activities, and i think terrorism is illegal. maybe jack dorsey doesn't get that. so that's why he should basically be focusing on one thing, twitter and making sure the terrorists don't use it for their nefarious means. neil: got you.
charlie gasparino, thank you. speaking of all things terror, we are getting more updates on exactly what went down in mali, it is over but some of the details coming to light. connell. >> well, the numbers still getting added up, 27 dead in the last check of reports, but that number could changed, it has changed a few times since we've been on air with this program at the hotel in mali, western part of africa earlier today and held a number of people host animal, well over 100, according to reports at one point. when but as you say wrapped up now. the earliest reports were to be believed 10 attackers in all, those were the first reports we received then half, five of those attackers are dead according to this latest report coming out, just a couple of other quick things, un through secretary general, condemns the attack at this
radisson hotel, which killed an unknown number of civilians and injured many more. that's the statement that came out of the united nations. again, 27 dead, more to come as cavuto coast to coast continues. we'll be back good. very good. you see something moving off the shelves and your first thought is to investigate the company. you are type e*. shorten the distance between intuition and action. e*trade. innovative sonicare technology with up to 27% more brush movements versus oral b.
neil: all right. we told you a little bit earlier how tesla's recalling 90,000 vehicles over seatbelt issues that seem to be on the passenger side that are disconnecting, so we're trying to address it but it is weighing on the stock down now a little bit north of 5%. keep you posted on that. also keeping you posted on this post refugee vote that they had in the house yesterday. majority that included 47 democrats saying the president should go slow when it comes to taking in the syrian refugees, not to the point of not allowing them in at all, some 34 governors today saying they should not accept them. but if my next guest is right and he's a former attorney
general so he should know, michael, the fact of the matter is they can't follow washington, they have to make their own rules, is that the gist of it? >> that is the gist of it. the expanded authority to admit refugees when there's an emergency. the department of health and human services is supposed to oversee this, they have a special refugee section. they're required to consult with the states for state and local governments, nonprofits and so on to make sure that conditions are right. and there's governing language that says when they ultimately decide where they're going to put these people, they have to take into condition what the state authorities say. but that's all state consideration, ultimately the federal government that has the last word. neil: so 30 some odd governors can say we aren't going to take them but the law says you have to. >> if push comes to shove, yes. neil: okay. even though they
might get a veto over a majority, you know, in the senate as well, they want to delay this process. now, that means more refugees wait in line; right? >> right. and the pressure increases as the time passes because they're humanitarian conditions are going to deteriorate and increases to admit more people. delay is not necessarily our friend. neil: now, in europe they had them pinned up in what seemed like camps. depending on the border town what have you, and a number suggested, well, why don't we send them back to syria over a no fly zone where it could protect them, that sounds goofy to me, what do you think? >> it doesn't sound goofy to me. neil: here's what it sounds like. the jews back to germany and we promised them during world war ii we're going to make it possible for the germans to get at them. >> not what it sounds like to
me. neil: the guy running this country? >> which country? syria or the united states? . neil: syria. >> the guy running syria doesn't have the power to violate a no fly zone if we establish one. we can destroy the syrian air force in a minute. we can establish the no-fly zone make the russians like it. a no fly zones means exactly that. nobody else can fly. neil: so that's the only acceptable or at least humane alternative to these aasylum seekers; right? >> whether it's feasible or not, whether you can move that number of people, where it would be, is something i can't tell you. but is it impossible? no, it's not impossible as well. neil: well, judging wait politicians are responding, it's impossible. you mentioned what these governors are doing is that they have to honor washington's wishes forcefully so. >> yes.
neil: now, we had a different issue where we had the governor of indiana not keen on a syrian family being in indiana, so he kicked them out, can it took them in, now, that's an an internal issue, did he have that authority? >> i don't know that he did, he certainly had the authority to make them unwanted and in that sense make them prefer to go to a place that wanted them. this is a public relations war between indiana and can it. neil: do you feel that this is all going crazy? both sides are reacting? >> to a large extent, yes. you have to consider what you can do, whether you can vet people, what you vet for when you vet them. neil: no paperwork. there's nothing to prove who they are. >> absolutely nothing. we don't have -- they don't have papers, we can't rely on records from syria who doesn't have them and even if we did,
we couldn't rely on them. and also what do you vet them for? are they willing to assimilate or live in communities the way the somalis do near minneapolis, which creates a dish for radicalization, we don't want that. neil: yeah, the path in this country for those who succeed, simulate, they keep their culture but simulate. >> yeah. and how do you vet for that? tough. neil: yeah. thank you very much former u.s. attorney general michael. as attorney general was talking, reminding you we got the dow up today. that might be a cross prei say to what you see going on, some stock market market analysissers are saying it's because of everything is going on, the capitalism is going okay. and the people who express confidence in our life will be okay. stick around jeb bush: leadership means you've got to be all in.
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neil: all right. i want you to take a look at something because these markets have been doing very fine, thank you, since these terror attacks and you might say that's weird. but it's not weird jonathan, i've known this guy for decades and one thing about him is he's a contrarian, he doesn't buy whatever the consensus line is and he might have i adifferent read. welcome,. >> thank you, neil. neil: what do you think of this? >> unfortunately, these types of attacks are becoming frighteningly regular, we've had four -- no, five, neil, severe islamist attacks just in the month of november so it's almost like you wake up and expect this to be the case. i think the big difference this time around is that once again and it's in a fairly remote part of the world. neil: but. neil: what if it weren't? what if it were new york or washington?
>> well, your point after the persian attacks opened down 100 points and ultimately coming back, so there's a sense among world investors uncertainty that the uss still the strongest hand in the deck and a place where a lot of investors want to put their money. despite all of this, the market is 2.5 farers it's all-time high. neil: you're right about that and the s&p having its best week. all bets are off if you have a u.s. attack; right? >> of course. we only go back to september 11th to remember what this. neil: the markets never opened that day as a result. >> and they opened substantially lower but they came back. that's the thing that's difficult. when headlines are so uncertain, whether it's been the central bank intervention or all of this islam across the world, it's very easy to start thinking short-term when it comes to your money. but what we've seen time and time again, i it's not just a realist economy. but back in september 11th, we didn't know anything about
facebook or twitter or all these new parts of our economy that are integral parts of wealth creation in america. so we've never made money betting against america. neil: what about the investors who look at this and say i don't know. >> well, you know, people always so, say, neil, i don't want to invest in the market because i think there's going to be a crash. literal in history there's been maybe four, five crashes? so that's actually the least likely thing that comes to happen with your money. most people's problem with your money, neil, isn't that they buy a bad stock, but that they spend every dollar they had and more. so they start with the very basics, getting three to six months of living expenses and let the markets take care of themselves, jump in and jump out. so i take it from jp morgan, if you're worried about a 100-point drop and the dow sell down to the sleeping point. neil: but after the melt down; right? it took a good deal of time to make up for that. if you -- the nasdaq highs in
2010, took over a decade; right? >> right. neil: so a lot of young people look at that, jonathan say i don't know. >> right. in today's young people, neil, are the least interested investing in the stock market. the least interested in investing in real estate because of course just like the people who grew up during the great depression were discard by those experiences. neil: yeah. >> people who grew up in the mid- -- are very hesitant to put money into stocks. just don't make it an all or none. decision, that just messes with your brain. so get that steady long-term approach and then don't be turned off by one bad headline across the ticker. neil: all right, buddy, thank you very much. >> thank you. neil: everywhere but cashing in as well this weekend on fox news. i do want to keep you updated, we were talking the faa now submitting its final regulations for rejecting drone operators this on saturday after a lot of near-misses, near hits with big ol' planes, that's when they get to be a big ol' problem and in this
environment they don't want to take even a little old chance. so we're going to see tougher guidelines on drones. so if you're getting one for a loved one on christmas, it might come with federal rules attached. stick around you're watching fox business. more after this the future belongs to the fast.
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neil: it is over in mali, but it is ugly. the latest with adam shapiro. >> seven people are dead heated that includes the five islamic radical attackers at the radisson blue hotel. twenty-seven people dead. the five attackers dead. there are french commanders that have been involved in the recapture of the hotel. france is at war with al qaeda. a french general on scene talked about one of the goals of one of these now five dead islamic radicals. taking the hostages.
gather as much national and media attention as they could hear and kill as many victims as possible with cameras rolling. then blow themselves up to some kind of maximum impact. i went online. looking into this philosophy that people are now talking about. there is an organization called the center for millennial studies. actually quoted in the religious newswire saying though more imminent the apocalypse is believed to be, the more potential for destruction on the part of men and women that act in this. not only taken the hostages in mali, but also what we saw in paris. neil: thank you very much. what do you do? someone wants to kill himself while they are killing other people. it makes it kind of hard to fight someone.
or does it? chuck nash on that. how do you fight guys that are happy to see their maker? >> kill them as quickly as possible. you pursue them and kill them. that is what we have to do. we're not doing it. that is why this fight is being prolonged. more opportunity they have to consolidate. the stronger they get. the more casualties as a society we will suffer. the concert hall in paris when terrorist sees that compounds. is security officials taking a look around? they knew that there was great risk. they figured there'd be a higher loss of life if they did not. >> that is absolutely correct.
the days that surround the building and try to talk them off the ledge, that is over. columbine showed that two u.s. law enforcement officials. we should have been learning this lesson all along. now the problem is for those first responders to go in. these guys, these ices guys, they are strapped with bombs. when you go in, you have to realize there will be an explosion and it will probably take you out, too. they will just start assassinating people. wait for the media to show up. these guys, a lot of pathology going on here. the mac also a lot of french connection. before the french left in 1960. winston churchill had said when they left that area, good. it is scary.
he had a hard time reconciling or understanding the muslim way of thinking. even more leery now. there are a number of politicians. to not generalize here. then i keep thinking of the soccer game in turkey where they were supposed to have this moment of silence. it seemed like the entire stadium erupted. there was no moment of silence. many of them were screaming god is great. i we missing something here? >> i think that we are missing something. we are not saying that they are all this part of radical islam. 10% is 160 million. 5% is 80 million. that is a pretty big number.
neil: that is a very big number. hope you have a great thanksgiving. thank you for your service for this country. elizabeth macdonald. i think isis investigations that are going on. what are they about? >> they are in all 50 states. four dozen. about 50 of them are considered really big cases that while more monitoring and more surveillance. you know, that is what we are hearing from law-enforcement. there is concerns for copycat killers. there is no connection between any activity here in the united states. more worried about long wolf attacks from people that have been radicalized over the internet to be sent to isis. also coming out with really interesting statements.
none of these that he has found want to be seen as aiding and abetting psychotic killers. they are saying that there really is no technical obstacle with these companies and giving law enforcement what they need. he said it is more about their own business model. also loretta lynch weighing in there. twitter and facebook have been very helpful with regards to alleged terrorist supporters. the conversation between silicon valley and law-enforcement are becoming even more productive. they get what they want via a court order. we need to see a movement on that front. neil: thank you very much. keeping an eye on this very closely. what drives these terrorists, especially those that act on their own. what they call loan wolves.
look at this. you are telling me during the break, that is all we have to prioritize right now. >> that is right. aspirational versus operational. it is an important thing. there will always be people that want to do us harm. these are things that we have good surveillance. we need better surveillance. we need better protection. neil: the hotbed. the hornets nest. there were people waiting for them with all the stuff they needed. >> that is exactly right. those people are still at large. it is substantial.
the lady who detonated herself, these are people that have the support structure. they are stacked behind them. neil: how do they secret in these weapons? it seemed like one of the toughest icon cities, part of the toughest countries on the planet. obviously, a lot of that stuff was there for a long, long time. >> how do people go to syria, spend time fighting for iso and come back to belgium and france. neil: it does not happen anymore. you argue that these hotbeds are everywhere. even in america. >> there will always be people who want to be a part of it. it sounds simple. things he can detect. we just heard about encryption. that is a huge thing.
in terms of snowed snowden. surveillance. and massive step backwards. how are they? >> you have encrypted solutions. they can see someone communicate. neil: can you say where it is coming from? this new york borough. is it easy and you do not know what is in there. talking about so many transactions per second. this is a very big problem. we are understaffed.
we have left tools to survey all. surveillance is the key to stopping it. detection. neil: when it comes to this country, not a matter of if, but when. they want something bigger. what do they want? >> terrorism, first of all, it is a criminal enterprise. the pond, the foot soldiers. luckily there is a network that can be detected. they obviously want to make a big splash. neil: you say make a big splash. that is what they are out for. this is almost a death row. neil: you look around.
what do you recommend for people that will be in the city? next week, thanksgiving, holidays, shows, events, everywhere. >> i have a good friend. new jersey state trooper. joint terrorist task force. someone saying middle eastern age. at first he thought, just someone being paranoid. that one call resulted in one of the largest indictments ever. if you see something, say something. neil: -- >> it was an average system. neil: that person saw something. not going on? >> able to hear, multinational investigation. of course. i would rather have too much information there not enough. >> i hear you. words to live by. literally.
a good officer. you do not mess around. in the meantime, we are getting a sense that the great cozy relationship between ted cruz and donald trump is being attacked. ted cruz is saying he will depart with donald trump on the suggestion that his database be setup to set up to track muslims in the u.s. quoting now from senator cruz. a big fan of donald trump. i think there could be trouble in paradise. we will have more. ♪ but what if you could see more of what you wanted to know? with fidelity's new active trader pro investing platform, the information that's important to you is all in one place, so finding more insight is easier. it's your idea
a scarier place over the last week. not so. coyle quit sliding away. stock stumbling. all of this began. the paris attacks. another way that does not follow the consensus. this is automatically what happens when something bad happens. far more interested in this other issue that has come up in the middle of all of this terror attention. that is companies like verizon wireless, like snap jack, like facebook, like twitter. coughing up records. being able to work with the government. it is a delicate line.
>> the rules in the laws that we have in place on privacy. if those rules were to change, there could be much more done. a look at cell phone companies and the requirements that exist today. there is nothing that goes to law enforcement unless there is a court order to make sure that it is the right thing to do. >> it would have to be a court order. we have a situation compared to what we had in boston a few years back. all those records. that was a heightened sense of emergency. now it is court ordered that makes that happen. >> any situation. no records can leave a telephone company without a court order. it just cannot happen. neil: the problems with security. i have a court order. this is urgent.
to do otherwise is a violation of the law. times of wasted argument does not matter to you. perhaps those rules shall change. that is something we should debate. the fact of the matter is, today, phone companies, companies like facebook are really sprung up in these rules. if you look at the boston bomber, what happened in that case was verizon, 41, when that happened, they looked at that even and they try to anticipate what law enforcement would require here. they gather that information as quickly as they can. they cannot put it anywhere. they cannot give it to the government intel they have a court order to do that. >> i got my information on james bond movies. even the latest one. particularly for the heroine,
but i digress. he does not check with anyone. you know, i think that is the way it goes. politicians come and go. judges, go. these secret agencies do what they want to do. you would not even be aware of it. they are spying on the phone records. prove me wrong. >> no. i cannot prove you wrong. if you look at what the government should be focused on today from my point of view, these send encryption services. encryption devices. given the government services. to me, that is a big issue. neil: it could be you.
>> where would the government be. the government is on terrorists. neil: the ability. he will not know. we will just go in. >> we have privacy rules. i am assuming that not only do companies follow the rules, but i am hoping that the government does also. >> okay. all right. i guess i am on the other side of this equation. in this environment, we are in a completely new environment. i do not remember ever in my lifetime seeing the threat that we have today around the world. for my perspective, we are leaderless in this country. we ought to be panning with our allies to actually kill off as
quickly as we can this isis organization. everything that they stand. they ought to use any resource available to do it. perhaps rules should change relative to how the cia, how the fbi, how long enforcement agencies get the data. i would be very supportive of that. neil: you do not have a court order, we are not talking. as of today, there is no court order. no information. >> i understand. it does make you think. in the meantime, a lot of times the white house has been looking at what is going on. sort of postponing how we handle these refugees. then all of a sudden we get a big boat that includes 47 democrats agreeing. maybe these republicans have a vote. maybe we should go slow. meet one of them. next.
neil: all right. we do know when they are unusually strong or unusually weak and unusually strong in this case. the numbers making them weak or at least concerns about terror. especially with what happened today in africa. weighing on people worried about things that are unstable. it is up now. one of the best weeks since december of last year. all right. not too that they vote in the house. being tested with a similar vote in the senate. raining in how we would go about bringing these serious refugees into the country.
this next fellow from this fine state of california. good to have you, congressman. why vote for this? >> because the bill actually helps us dealing with the refugees. and a lot of huffing and puffing about this bill. picking up dust and snorting at each other. the reality is, the bill is very, very simple. the head of the agencies responsible for vetting the refugees certify that the refugees are safe. secondly, report that to congress. the betting does not change. we are ready have a betting process in place. takes about 18-24 months. all of that remains as it has. the only thing different is the agency has become responsible identifying that they did a good
job. neil: a waste of time. he will be tell it. do you think it is a mistake if he does? >> i do not think that it is necessary. a lot of dust and a lot of noise. the refugee situation really does not change other than the responsibility being accepted other than by the head of the agencies. that is okay, too. the refugees, there should be a place in america for refugees. mostly 60% are women and children. young women and children. 2% are males in the early years of their life. yes, we should be open to refugees. we have been. we will continue to be. this is a certification process. the individual refugees that have been allowed in are safe.
neil: did you hear from anything in democratic leadership or even the white house? >> no. i am pretty clear about where i am going on legislation. i read this bill. what are we fighting about here. we need to improve. not just to the refugees which are frankly the least likely source of the problem. european citizens to hold a passport do not need a visa to get into the united states. there could be any one of those people that conduct did this terrorist attack in paris. holding a valid passport. they could get into the united states without a be set. it is all about the intelligence network. the sharing of information.
certainty that we actually know who the people are. monitor them. watch them as they cross the borders. we can monitor the airplane flights to and then back into europe. is that information being properly shared? the answer is probably not. that is one of the major problems that occurred between belgium and france. probably a great deal between the success and attack in paris. they were not sharing information. you can bet that the united states is not getting or sharing information that we have with our european allies. that has to change. 315 congressman. great seeing you. >> thanks, neil. sometimes we focus so much on preventing those that can get here through the refugee route and pay no attention to those that could come back and forth through the traditional route.
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traveling through greece and, if that is the case, they could have been part of this wave of ref -- refugees that flooded southern greece and had to be processed there and moved elsewhere. they look like internment camps. if that is the case that feeds fears of those who say you have to be careful about who you're letting in because if even one or two are up to bad things, well, things like paris happens. the very latest from paris now with our ashley webster. ashley? reporter: yeah, neil, it is an interesting point. in fact earlier this beak the french prime minister said exactly that, that french authorities believe that the orchestrator of the paris attacks and at least two or three other suspects came through greece. now greece for its part said that wasn't true. but let's be honest, how would they know? they're overwhelmed with refugee crisis. they wouldn't have a clue. more than likely these isis
terrorists used fake passports anyway. but what it does signify is an interesting kind of development if you like, neil, which you alluded to. these terrorists are european nationals. in this case a belgian national. the go to syria, train with isis and come back to spread terror within the european borders. it is certainly believed, if that's the case, it is very difficult to prevent. and counterterrorism experts, neil, say it represents really a new tactic, one taken from the page of the al qaeda playbook, where they're using more bigger, more complicated plots against western countries n this case, we see almost a week ago here in paris. neil: ashley, thank you very, very much. just to follow up on what ashley is saying and what we reported earlier, those two suicide bombers were actually fingerprinted in greece. that obviously ties them to syrian nationals, to greece.
and that would also tie them to the timing of this october 3rd period of waves of syrians were coming into greece. that was the most popular destination they would be fanned out to other locales in southern europe, old western europe, old eastern europe. greece was the means they did this they were among those printed there. so first time we had a direct connection between that greece starting point, and what happened in paris. we'll keep you posted. manuel gomez watching all this closely, former fbi agent, former marine. bottom line you will not mess with this man, nor will you. manny, what do you make of the latest developments? >> obviously we have a big problem. these refugees coming in from syria and other parts of the world are a definite problem. it has been identified.
europe has a big problem with them, but here in the u.s. we have to protect ourselves from these people. we already had five or six of them identified as potential terrorists coming in from honduras. we still have to figure out if there's anymore. honduras and obviously central and south america is not where we look to find middle eastern terrorists but in this huge flood of refugees that have come in from syria recently, we really don't know who's what. the fact that congress and director of the fbi comey has basically said we don't have resources right now and time to fully vet out who is coming through our borders from this refugee program indicates to us we may already be infected with some potential terrorists that have infiltrated infiltrated the area. neil: i will show my naivete. when i heard the report that the
a number of attackers were on terror watch list, i thought after 9/11, that stopped happening. this lack of communication between agencies like fbi, cia, defense department, intelligence, what have you, that was going to stop. it started with forming of homeland security. many years later we saw obviously what happened in boston. that fell through the cracks with tsarnaev brothers. i understand there are foreign variations, in twin london attacks and twin paris attacks and madrid attacks and there is communication breakdown. but it keeps happening. i wouldn't doubt for a minute someone will discover communication breakdown what transpired in mali. how does this keep happening? >> intelligence services inherently want to protect their techniques. not so much about the information. it is how they obtained that information and historically all intelligence agencies throughout the world want to protect how they get their information and show, and so they're afraid in
sharing it, they're going to give up a technique as how they got that information. and that's the problem we have to overcome. we need to realize that the world is now really small. and it's us against them. we need to really share information, not only to protect them but to protect us. and so if we have information like, there was an inherent, rather imminent attack in paris, we need to tell the french authorities that. in this case, it appears that nobody really knew that there was going to be an attack. and that's what worries me. and other professionals. how is it possible that within the free world, nobody knew or heard of a glimpse this was potentially going to happen? that's a problem that we need to quickly overcome. neil: i bet someone did, manny, but it wasn't communicated. to your point we're not sharing points. >> agreed. neil: thank you, my friend. i appreciate it. >> thank you, neil.
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neil: i don't know the german word for oops, but we have a big oops out of volkswagen indicate this emissions cheating scandal could have been a lot bigger, wider, going on a lot longer than earlier thought. the epa saying volkswagen cheated on emissions standards going back to 2009, right through 2016 diesel vehicles. now obviously this would include many, many more vehicles than 11 million already been cited. we just don't know how many more. we know it goes back a lot
further. so, a lot more vehicles. but wow, if that's true, for volkswagen, yikes, can't get out of its own way. let's look what is going on corner of wall and broad. dow is up6 points. it briefly slipped into positive territory for the year, now not so much. charles payne find this is very resilient market in the face of scary terror moments and again today, not too surprising. interesting, huh. >> interesting and i'm not too surprised. in recent years, we've seen the market up more often than not on these sort of things. i think part is symbolic. getting away from that, markets unchanged for year. most stocks are down. most stocks have been absolutely crushed. the historic role of the stock market is harbinger of things to come. maybe six months to year, economy is better. maybe six months to year we're
seeing in mali and france is addressed. maybe market senses this the is moment when the west wakes up and takes decisive action and we kill a lot of terrorists. neil: maybe it's wrong. >> maybe it's wrong. that historically what market does. it does not necessarily respond to what the news is but what will happen because of today's news. neil: if the news were attack in the united states? >> would be very different story. would be a very different story. of course 9/11 is prime example of that. neil: even then after wig asked selloff. markets there was wicked selloff but in matter of months come back. >> ultimately the markets have to reflect resolve of american people. ultimately we'll get back out and shop. ultimately the french will eat at outdoor cafes. neil: they were tonight. >> it is, the terrorists win, we were down 500 points this week. that would be extra feather in their cap, another notch in the belt. that is symbolic part.
more importantly this is market taken some serious lumps beneath the surface. beneath the surface has been a tough year. neil: you talk about beneath the surface and fears something bad could happen in this country during the holiday season. so upped police presence in times square right outside of our office here at sixth avenue. this is being played out in airports across the country. popular shopping malls. mall of america. obviously everyone is on high alert. authorities are warned to be on high alert. does that presence ease people's minds or make them more scared? >> i think it probably eases their minds. after 9/11 we were not accustomed going out to see people walking around with machine guns. sadly more customary. first time i went to europe in 25 years, i went to italy and landed in milan and saw soldiers with machine guns. i was taken aback. what the heck was going on. everybody else, europeans no big deal.
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presumably for isis, what does he do when he discovers 47 democrats essentially agree by supporting legislation that would stiffen up and tighten up that refugee recruitment or, allowing these refugees into our country policy? to ben stein, adam lashinsky. i had forgotten adam was joining us, i apologize for not teasing him as they say in this business. i apologize. ben, you're great writer, that goes without saying. one of the things you wrote, this inherent racism out there. one of the things you said racism to allow jews to defend israel, only lawful state in the middle east is by definition racist n a word we gone from serious persecution to something like fantasy video game of persecution. what do you mean by that? >> i mean that, nations universities especially in the academic world you're not allowed to defend israel which is only democratic, equal rights
for all state in the middle east but you are allowed to praise muslims and not allowed tocriticize muslims. fascinating to me, we do not really in this country endorse free speech the way we used to. if the republicans want to say something about islamic terrorism, then mr. obama says, that's racism. they're using race as bad thing to trump free speech which is the most important thing. neil: now i know it is important to point out, adam, to ben's point not all muslims are awful and all but i do think you can bend over backwards, right? there was very little mainstream media could havage of a weird didn't happened in turkey at soccer game there was supposed to be a moment of silence to remember the victims of the paris attacks and a lot of people in that stadium didn't honor it. a good many were jumping out of their seats, "allahu akbar!," god is great. it got coverage here. didn't get a lot of coverage elsewhere. i'm wondering sort of like
inherent mainstream media approach to this? don't generalize about muslims, which is fair, fine, not to even get in the way of stuff that could be unsettling to muslims. what do you think? the. >> well, i think that common sense tells us what the difference is between free speech and hate speech. the things that those fans in turkey did was hate speech and that's certainly is fair game to cover. we should cover it. on the other hand -- so similarly, people who say things like you know, we shouldn't let these people into america because they're muslims. or, we should let the christians in but not the muslims in. i think it's a very fair conversation to criticize those people and say that's not very, an american way of speaking because those aren't our values in the united states. neil: what are? that's what i'm wondering, ben, what are our values because i have a hard time picking them out today. >> that's a brilliant question.
our values should be equal treatment for everybody but know people coming into this country will not swear allegiance to the u.s. will not foreswear to commitment to violence or terrorism of any kind. a very good friend of mine expert on immigration law sent me documentation on what the strict, rigorous procedure is supposed to be for letting in refugees. they're a joke. they're a bad joke. they don't work at all. we, and we i think should be free to say, we're worried. we know awfully large disproportionate number of terrorists are muslims. we love muslims that law-abiding citizens and they're as good as anybody. they have be law-abiding. if abide to foreswear the law to to -- sharia, bad. >> i say it differently.
three of us have immigrants in our background, presumption always been, presumption immigrants are coming from a place where life is hard, to come to a place where life is good, namely america. we have other ways to try to find out who the bad people are than to ask them, do you swear allegiance to the united states? ben, with respect these criminals will say yes, sir, i declare my allegiance to the united states. that is not effective screen. instead what it does -- >> that is part of it, adam. part of it. >> we keep out good people. neil: well, i don't think it harms anyone to at least fake it. fake it start from there. guys i want to thank you both -- >> it is interesting -- neil: go ahead, ben, real quick. >> it is interesting, apparently these guys will not foreswear allegiance to violent islam when think come into any country. they will not foreswear. neil: we'll see both of you gentlemen on "cavuto on business" whether we should have led adam lashinsky's relatives in. we'll have more on this. can a business have a mind?
neil: all right. all the heightened terror threats. what do you think robert gates thinks of this? we will ask him today at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. it could be interesting. actually will be. here is trish regan. always interesting. trish: storming the hotel in mali. killing 27 people. awaiting word on whether or not these terrorists have alleged links to al qaeda and have been captured. now, as we speak, authorities have more on the top floor of that hotel. storming this luxury hotel. shouting the translation of god is great. welcome, everyone. i am trish