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we've got the tape, we're going to play it for you. you can decide. david: but first the rally fizzling on wall street but what a week for stocks. as terror erupts all over the world but dow up over 80 points right now as closing bells ring on wall street. it might pop up above 90 now, all of the embassies are up. but look at oil, folks. it has recovered a bit. it was down into the 30s but it did turn around towards the end of the day. still negative but it was down into the 39.50 level. >> and here's everything you need to know right now opinion terror strikes right now, members of an african jihadi group in, stormed a city's capital, 120 people taken in hostage, at least 27 of them are now dead.
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the rest have been rescued. why special forces are going no floor to floor. and standing by in south africa with the latest details. paul, what can you tell us? >> the white house is confirming that the siege is over and the un saying at least two of the attackers have been killed. the head of mission that the embassy was in the hotel when the attackers struck leading a who were ironically engaged in trying to find ways forth to be peace in molly. all americans by u.s. forces troops were evacuated out of the hotel safety. all of the hostages have been freed. but we understand this is arguably the worst terror attack mali has ever seen and security officials are saying a total of 27 bodies have been found so far but the hotel is still being searched. so that number could change as
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the government said to walk along corridors of the hotel, spraying the corridors with automatic weapons and throwing out grenades. one of the eyewitnesses said as the attackers knew at that moment they knew that they were about to be overtaken by the rescuers, they executed some of the hostages. and amongst the hostages released are at least six other american civilians. other special u.s. forces personnel who were based in mali, assisted in the rescue of hostages but not in the front line. although they did add intelligence capability. one of them we understand worked alongside commanders in the command control center. two groups working together claimed responsibility, a local mali al-qaeda faction led by veteranna veteran claimed they killed him back
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in june but this has been denied. and troops fighting back with attacks against french interest since reports from paris pushed al-qaeda groups out of northern mali. so now it seems the al-qaeda groups are pushing back. whether there's an isis connection, we don't know yet for sure, but it has to be said that most terror groups in africa do have connections and pledged allegiance with isis. thank you. back to you, melissa. mellisa: paul, thank you so much for that report. david. sharon: and retired four star general jack keane joining us with this. first of all, i'm curious as to your thoughts about whether this is totally separate from the attacks in paris. this took some planning, apparently they've been planning this for a while now. were they spurred along what happened in paris? >> well, i don't know. only they would have the answer to that. they're not related to isis, that's for sure.
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isis has formal arrangements with three african countries one is egypt, the other isal jeer i can't and libya and pretty close to formalizing one withal jeer i can't. but now, what they do have in common, certainly this one and the other four, he do there france in common with isis. and obviously france arrived here in mali in 2013 about 4,000 pai 4,000 paratroopers to push back because the capital of mali was being closed to being attacked and their government wanted french assistance. there's still about 1,000 french troops in mali as well. david: well, the french have a lot of history there too and of course the french foreign lesion is there. do we leave this up to the french or do we help? >> no. i think our policy in africa is really very sound. we have a command -- the united states afternoon command that's principally
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been involved in helping to train local forces in these countries in counterterrorism. i'm comfortable that's largely what the u.s. presence is involved in. and i think that's the way to go. david: yeah. >> we don't need to be directly engaged here ourselves. we're certainly interested from a a geopolitical perspective in the stability of these countries. so we do have national interest there. david: general, i'm sorry to interrupt but very quickly to the war on isis and these air strikes against the isis oil tankers that we saw this week. mostly russian, there may have been some other air forces involved in this. but i have to ask. the question is what took so long? why did we wait so long to get the oil refineries and the tankers that were moving this without the money from oil, isis would be stopped in its tracks, literally. u.s. military pilots now say that they weren't allowed to
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hit the oil tankers in the past because they were driven by civilians. could that be true? >> yeah. i believe it is true. we have lawyers at every level in this targeting process because the president said from the outset no one has ever given us this kind of guidance before. david: but never in my experience, never in warfare have -- >> i'm trying to answer the question, david. david: civilian oil tanker drivers to interfere with the war campaign. >> you want me to answer the question, i'll be glad to. thank you. the reality is we've had lawyers at every level in the chain of command in this targeting process based on the president's guidance that he doesn't want any civilian casualties. that is quite unprecedented, and it is an absolute absurdity. just think of what we said to you. we would not hit factories in germany because there's civilians working there. we would not hit saddam
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hussein's. i'm hoping that secretary kerry would take a look at this. he's changed more aspect,. david: stick around, please. we've got more for you coming up. mellisa: we have breaking news that we want to go to. we're hearing air berlin flight 8787 declaring an emergency. the cause right now is unknown. but we're hearing about this flight declaring an emergency right now. we're going to keep an eye on it, bring you any details just as soon as we get them. in the meantime it has been one week since the deadly attacks in paris. we begin covering the attacks last friday right here when the news broke at 3:20 p.m. eastern time. attackers launched coordinated attacks at the concert hall, the france and local bars. the death toll now stands at 130 as one more victim comes to injuries from attack. video this week captures one of the three attacks at a cafe
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showing patrons diving from gunfire. french police have been conducting military style raids arresting 90 people receiving 76 weapons in 73 raids since saturday. one fugitive still remains at large. david. david: and more developments in the paris attacks, ashley webster has details from paris. go ahead, ashley. >> yeah., david, thank you. state of emergency being approved by the french senate late this afternoon giving authorities here greater scope in their counterterrorism efforts, including searches and house arrests. french media reporting that the woman who was the leader blown herself up in that bloody stand off in the paris suburb did not, in fact, blow herself up. it was someone else in the room who did that. she was killed by the blast but she did not set off a suicide vest. that from one of the commanders of that raid. also the french prosecutors
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are saying today that fingerprints show two of the suicide bombers who attacked the very first target one week ago actually came through greece among a wave of refugees. their fingerprints were taken in greece and from there, they made their way into europe and then ultimately here to paris and french prosecutors also saying in the past week they have conducted some 800 raids on apartment buildings and other areas across the country. that has yielded some 90 people been detained. they say they've recovered 174 weapons, 18 of which they've described as military style firearms. so a busy day, certainly at 9:20 p.m. here in paris the moment that the attacks began one week ago was recognized here. some people standing hand and hand around the memorial that's being set up behind me. but ultimately the biggest story here, david, has been
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the realization that these attacks were a little bit be conducted by people right under the nose of french authorities. they're well aware of that and trying to take steps to counter. david: ashley webster in paris. ashley, thank you. melissa. mellisa: all right. authorities gathering more information on the paris attackers. it looks to be a chain of missed opportunities. investigations show that french police were watching at least one of the suicide bombers by tapping her phone. the mastermind of the attacks also spotted on closed-caption tv footage at a cafe after the attacks. here to weigh in aall of this, general jack keane is with us. thank you so much for sticking around. does it surprise you that the attackers were in paris? and that the french authorities didn't know it? >> no. it doesn't. the french are absolutely swamped by the number of targets that they're trying to
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surveillance, and it would take hundreds of people to surveillance on them. and they're one of the better intelligence services in europe. i think they're going to put this under a microscope over the next few weeks, put this whole thing together and find a number of places where they likely have some shortfalls. they already that know going in and they'll try to their best to fix that. but they're resource starved dealing with the magnitude of the problem. mellisa: so how does that deal with our situation here? people hearing you say that and we've also heard about threats at the homeland whether it's new york or washington d.c. is it the same situation here? >> well, i think it is to a certain degree. obviously we have a much larger country and that's a challenge in and of itself. the fbi has said publicly they have over 900 open investigations. that doesn't mean they're all
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those people, this isn't a small problem, there's an issue here and also that he's conditioning somewhat. he said yesterday of course. >> yes, we do single piece of intelligence that would lead the fbi to conclude it that someone is in the stage of planning an attack here and that's certainly good news. mellisa: general, thank you so much for your invite. we always appreciate your time. >> good talking to you, melissa. sharon: and back to the markets now. the dow seeing its best week of the year. as investors flock to the relative safety of u.s. markets. let's take a look how the dow performed since that paris attack last friday. the dow climbing over 578 points, nicole petallides on the floor of the -- who would have thought a week ago that that would be the reaction to these terror attacks. >> no. that came to a surprise, dave absolutely. even the traders on wall street we saw the resiliency of the markets and
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the dow seeing the best week for 2015 when the dow gained 3.3% this week, and that being said i want to talk about the defense stocks, look lockheed martin on the heels when we talk about the global terror, missiles, drones, and the like, laser-guided missiles, but four all-time highs in just one week. and then we kept a keen eye on completely different topic. and that's chipotle. it was a favorite for a long time. but year to date now chipotle's down over 20% because once again now more e. coli cases in six states, including now california and new york and that pushed chipotle to a new low and finished down over 12%. dave and melissa. david: they're going to have to do something. nicole, appreciate it. mellisa: u.s. attorney loretta lynch calling the house bill quote an impractical response
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to a much larger problem. and an impossibility for law enforcement. our panel is going to weigh in on that one. sharon: and we're heading into the busiest travel season of the year the needs for high security is high, we're going to talk to former tsa official about the agency about what you have to know before you fly. mellisa: and donald trump now saying that he never suggested a muslim database. well, he seems like he agreed with the idea. we've got the video. we'll take a look or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away
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cameron is in dc with the latest. he's trying to dial back a little bit, would you say, carl? >> i wouldn't say that but not taking the credit for initiateiating the idea, he would say certainly i would implement that but asked by a reporter. and, as a matter of fact, ben carson was asked similar questions by reporters, and he didn't initiate the discussion either. today in new hampshire carson took issue with the idea of a muslim database. listen. >> if we're going to just take out a particular group of people based on their religion, based on their race, based on some other thing, that's setting a pretty dangerous precedent. >> now, ted cruz has said that he thinks that that's an attack on religious freedom and jeb bush has denied the idea of a religious database and mosques.
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closing the door on when it comes to mosques. >> the fact that there's mosques that there's a lot of activity going on that are radicalizing people, they must be treated differently. >> marco rubio said it is not about mosques. it's actually about any entity whether it's a cafe or a diner or business or whatever, anywhere where there is sort of terrorism, radicalization underway, they too he says should all be looked at and in some cases closed down. david: thank you, carl very much. we have breaking news on something we just reported, that air berlin flight ab8787 declared an emergency, it has safely landed at dusseldorf. mellisa: a few stories obsolete radar, the volkswagen cheating scandal getting even bigger today. telling american regulators that an additional 75,000 vehicles dating all the way back to 2009 are now included in the emission scandal. the obama administration
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asking the supreme court to revive the president executive order allowing millions of illegal immigrants to remain in the united states. states that oppose the move had no legal basis to challenge it. jonathan the american naval intelligence officer convicted of flying for israel was released from prison today after 30 years behind bars. and the authority issue between two countries, israel's prime minister said in a statement today that israeli people welcome his release. inside the the man who claims from isis tells his story and a hotel under siege. dozens taken under hostage after just one week the terror attacks on paris. the latest on that coming up i have asthma...
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operatives but deciding to escape, spoke to the islamic state. joining me now, executive editor at the daily beast. noah, fascinating set of articles. there were so many things, so many details in all of these articles that i had never seen initials, never heard. let me start with the idea, how did you guys know that this was for real? >> yeah, we spent months and months trying to check this guy's claims and, look, he made a lot of different claims only the ones that we thought we could verify are actually in the article but in the end, this one man's story and it's a pretty extraordinary one. he approached us months ago, we spent a long time vetting him and arranged a rendezvous between him and a reporter in turkey. mellisa: a lot of the details in there, one they operate by virtue of paying well.
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it's almost a welfare state where they were paying out to each person who joined and providing she can't you can see that that's one way that they seem if these stories are true keep people involved. they also use intimidation and fear and violence. there were a lot of other details like the fact that they don't fight well on the battlefields that he said how disorganized they were. do you feel like our government knows the details this were in this story? have you heard from anyone that this is all very surprising? >> we've heard from some folks that have really appreciated the level of detail. i haven't heard surprises yet. certainly to me who's been, you know, watching the group for quite a while, i saw a lot of surprising details. as you alluded, they have different methods of control, some of them involve the brutality that we've seen before, you know, being put in a cage for smoking a cigarette. and some of them are much more subtle like providing health care to their workers.
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so it's both hard and soft power in the operation of both to maintain their islamic state. mellisa: yeah, what were some of the other things that were new to you in terms of how isis works in this article. >> yeah. you alluded to one of them. it's really how bring that they are on the battlefield. the fellow that we spoke to was involved in the battle of the turkish border and that battle did not go well for isis, spending men and guys that kind of didn't even want to fight once they were there. so i think the degree to which isis has been made to look 10 feet tall on the press isn't true when it comes to fighting. mellisa: one of the interesting details that was haunting when your reporter met with this guy, he said lucky for you americans don't pay ran so many because they were sort of talking about how they were both very nervous to
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meet on this story and that's pretty telling. what has the response been like for the story and do you know what happened to this guy? >> so the response has been really overwhelmingly positive. it's almost like nothing i've been involved with in my journalistic career, it's been great. we know that the we know that the isis spy is back in syria. he wanted to stay with his family basically, and he's now in free syrian controlled territory. mellisa: noah, thank you so much for coming on. we appreciate it. great series of articles there. david: incredible inside story there. mellisa: yeah, amazing stuff. david: there are new terror threats leaving americans on edge as we head into the busy holiday travel season. we're going to be talking to one of the original members of the attest about your concerns with that organization coming up i accept i'm not 22. i accept i'm not the rower i used to be. i even accept i have a higher risk of stroke due to afib,
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. david: we are still monitoring the fallout from the deadly terror attack at a hotel in mali. earlier today, up to 170 people were taken hostage and hearing 27 are dead. now the number is lower. peter barnes joining us with the latest. >> reporter: the french foreign ministry says the death toll in mali is 19, and so far no americans reported dead or injured of the more than 100 hostages set free by mallian
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security forces about, a dozen americans, employees at the u.s. mission at the state department. the employees were assigned there temporarily and used the hotel for lodging. u.s. military personnel happened to be at the hotel and assisted in rescuing hostages. >> there were some u.s. military personnel in bamako, again, for personal reasons, and one or perhaps others of them, one they know of that assisted in simply move people, physically move people to get them to a secure location. but not involved in the actual operation to go against the terrorists. >> reporter: no official word on whether all of the gunmen are dead, or the exact number of them or any of them were taken prisoner and no word on the identities of the 19who were killed. david? david: peter barnes, thank you very much. melissa? melissa: hard to believe, next week is thanksgiving, one of the busiest travel times of the year.
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47 million americans are expected to travel this holiday season. how safe are americans with terrorism -- when terrorism is falling out of control throughout the middle east and europe? and the isis warning in washington, d.c., new york city. we worry that could be next. doug mckel way joins us from d.c. to see what is done to secure travelers? >> reporter: you mentioned that number, 47 million travelers is remarkable given the terrorism threat as is the number of americans expected to fly over the 12 day thanksgiving holiday. 25.3 million passengers according to the trade group airlines for america. that's the highest number since the great recession. what makes it remarkable is americans have become aware of the limitations of the tsa. in tests last may, you recall contraband, including bomb-making material got through security 95% of the time.
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a second round of testing did not show much improvement. the tsa checkpoints are for practical purposes, security theater, and the bureaucracy of the federal government is slow to improve even though there is better screening technology out there. >> nobody will move. the scanner people just want to keep selling more scanners, more hardware, why? that's what we do. why? that's what they're buying. okay, no incentive to change. the incentive to change will be a disaster. >> reporter: that might help to explain why we've seen numerous instances of flights diverted, or sent back to the gate in recent days because passengers see something that causes anxiety, reports it to the flight attendant who reports it to the pilot who brings the plane back. with the paris and mali attacks and the blowing up of the russian airliner anxiety and fear is especially heightened. >> so terror attacks can bring up memories of other times. they're called triggers, and so
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this wave of discussion about terrorism may well trigger feelings from 9/11, or for those veterans who have fought in iraq and afghanistan, it may well bring us back there. >> reporter: if you are traveling by plane or train this holiday season, take comfort in the fact that security officials have indeed heightened surveillance posture and much of what they are doing at major trains and hubs is something you cannot see. so they're out there. melissa? melissa: doug, thank you so much for that. david? david: joining me now someone who knows travel security inside and out, tom blank, former deputy administrator, one of the founding fathers of the tsa. tom, how do you deal with the complaints of folks when they think of the tsa, they think of long lines and obnoxious guys checking and grandma getting checked but the weapons getting through? >> i think many of those situations are really one-offs, when you think of tsa seeing
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over 2 million passengers a day. when you think of scanning 1.8 million pieces of checked baggage. instances of people that have problems are actually very low. having said, that the performance that has been found and discussed widely over the past few months is not acceptable, and tsa has got to do a better job. david: well, what happened, tom? forgive me, but 67 out of 70 times they failed to notice a weapon? i notice they got rid of the administrator or moved him to a different position, the tsa administrator. >> right. david: but spent 540 million dollars a year on all of these baggage scanning equipment and everything. has this become another d.c. bureaucracy that's not working very well? >> i think it's partly the culture that has become over the years more towards convenience and not enough towards security. and i think that's indicative and that's what the new administrator at tsa is really trying to change. now what that means is that
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those lines are going to probably get a little longer, particularly over this holiday period. that's because they're going to have a little longer look at those x-ray images at the checkpoint. they're going to probably do some additional secondary screening. body images and have a closer look at those. david: tom, isn't it time to do something different? when something doesn't work well, you don't just double up on what's not working well. you look for a different out-of-the box solution like for example having a special category for frequent travelers? >> you do that, and that's what tsa pre-check is. i think one of the problems that contributed to the poor performance is that tsa had begun to take people randomly out of the regular lines and put them into the tsa pre-check lines. that's not a good idea and the agency has moved to stop that. to your question about whether you need to do something particularly different, i do think it's time we have a much closer look whether or not privatizing major functions of
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tsa is a useful and good idea. david: sounds good to me, tom blank, thank you very much, appreciate you coming in, tom. >> thank you. david: have a good weekend. melissa: coming up, one week after those horrific attacks in paris, the city of light is paying tribute to the victims, and 10,000 more syrian refugees coming to america. how much faith can we really have they will be thoroughly vetted? we're going to talk about that coming up next.
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. melissa: the fight over whether or not to let syrian refugees into the country right now. new speaker of the house paul ryan has shared his thoughts on the house bill to pause the flow of syrian refugees to the u.s. take a listen. >> if our law enforcement and intelligence community cannot verify that each and every person coming here is not a security threat then they shouldn't be allowed in. >> attorney general loretta
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lynch says it is an impractical response to a much larger problem, david. david: this is in addition to the 25 already here, the president says they'll be thoroughly vetted but can we trust they will? remember it was the president who said hours before the paris attacks that isis had been contained. joining me is former senator george lemieux and democratic strategist marjorie clifton and steve forbes, chairman of forbes media and author of the terrific new book, revive, you got to buy it in time for christmas. steve, it's not just republicans the president is opposing to threaten to veto the bills, 47 democrats join with republicans and think it's a reasonable idea to pause the program and take a look at it more closely. why is the president pushing so hard on this? >> he's not used to that kind of opposition, and two, he doesn't realize the american people are on the side of the democrats and republicans who
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say let's make sure we're doing this right. what has frightened people thoroughly is what's happened in france. they're overwhelmed. david: clear that some of the terrorists were mixed in with the refugees from greece. >> it makes sense, are procedures in place? and what former secretary gates said previously about having hearings and saying okay, what is the vetting today, given what we know what happened in paris, given the wave of hundreds of thousands streaming out of the middle east. is it the right thing? that's sensible. david: senator lemieux, have you ever seen a president push so hard on the threat a veto for something that so many members of his own party support? >> well, this president is beleaguered, he's had a difficult couple of weeks, and the house is right to pass this legislation. we absolutely should not allow people in until we know more about them, and as the director of the fbi, director comey said, there's no information
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about these people in syria. there would be like looking at americans in 1900 and trying to figure out their background, there are information. there was probably better records in america in 1900 than there are for syrians in 2015. so we don't want a wolf coming in, in sheep's clothing. we need to pause, if we let any of the folks in, start with children and maybe their moms that we can be a lot more certain of than of bringing in, you know, men between the ages of 15 and 40 who potentially could be terrorists. david: marjorie, that's why the president's rhetoric is so insulting, to suggest you guys are just afraid of widows and orphans. first of all, 79% of the refugees coming from the mediterranean region. 79% are men, not men womens and orphans coming -- widows and orphans among the group. >> the actual question is what comey said is he didn't agree with the actual policy. as director of the cia he saw
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the solution put forth, the heads of every agency having to personally vet every refugee was illogical. david: hold on a second, i don't think that's precisely what the legislation is saying at all. that's why 47 democrats agree with it, it's much more reasonable than that. >> well, actually what i have seen is that it was not reasonable at all because it was requiring a vetting process without understanding what the existing vetting process really is. let me be clear, i understand the fear and absolutely reasonable for people to have fear but the situation in terms of intelligence in the u.s. versus france is very different. i think what a lot of agency heads are calling for is an understanding of what the realities of our policies are. david: again, just to get back to steve forbes, for a second, i have read the legislation, it's not thousands of pages long like obamacare. it's calling for a pause. it's calling for investigating
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a lot of different methods to vet these people that we don't have now. >> that's right, and having a pause when you've had that disaster in paris is reasonable, and to go against the legitimate fears of the american people is to spit in the face of the american people, because they want safety first. we're a humanitarian country. all of this begs the question why, two years ago if president obama was so concerned about the refugees didn't he go about creating safe havens and sanctuaries in syria. david: another argument. steve and marjorie and senator lemieux. melissa? melissa: one week passed since the paris attacks that killed 130 people. students are paying tribute with a demonstration called noise and lights. for more details, deirdre bolton, you were there in the immediate aftermath of the attacks reporting from paris. glad to have you back. >> thank you, melissa. i love what the french artists did. we traditionally have moments of silence.
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they said let's do the opposite. let's have music, let's have light, let's have noise. we remain one of the cultural centers of europe. that is not going to stop just because we got attacked. so it is this symbol or this gesture, if you like, melissa, that paris culture cannot be stopped or dimmed in any way by terrorists. after 9/11, new yorkers had similar reactions, maybe they were actually afraid. myself included sometimes to go out. but everyone went out to support cafes, to support restaurants. when i was there, that's what people told me. yeah, we're afraid, we're going to keep going out because this is our life and don't want this freedom to be destroyed. that said, as you and david have been following. the next three months have been confirmed as emergency measures in paris. all of france, actually. that is to say police can go into any home at any time for any reason, and the longer term of course vision here is to
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protect the freedoms that many people there enjoy, but in the near-term, high surveillance, back to you. melissa: deirdre, that's a lot, wow, thanks so much. see you at the top of the hour for "risk & reward." david: back at ranch, donald trump playing defense today over suggestions he'd like to see a database of muslims in america. he says he didn't see that. we've got the tape. we'll play it for and you let you decide coming up. you can't predict the market. but through good times and bad... ...at t. rowe price... ...we've helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
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you decide, tell me what you think. >> there should be a lot of systems, beyond database, we should have a lot of systems and today can you do it, but right now we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall, and cannot let what's happening happen. i would certainly implement that. melissa: i don't know, here to weigh in what trump actually said. senator george lemieux is back along with hadley heath manning and steve forbes. senator, what do you think? that is like a gotcha, like the reporter was determined to get him to agree with the premise? >> he might have been determined but he said it. he agreed of registering muslims in this country. we all want a safe country, we all want to fight islamic terrorists but don't want to register anyone of any religion. so i think that that comment is going to hurt donald trump. look, we've got to take the fight to the terrorists. we should create this no-fly
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zone in syria. create a place where people can migrate to so we don't have to deal with the migration problems here. but under no circumstances sacrifice our own values. melissa: hadley, a database? we have a lot of databases that track a lot of things. don't we have a watch list if somebody comes in and they're a refugee, aren't we going to keep track of them for a period of time? >> we don't track them by religion, there's a difference. >> there's a difference between having a watch list and national registry you expect everyone of a particular religion to sign up for. yes, donald trump made a huge mistake with the comments, and people across the board, the gop, the democrats are calling him out. he will suffer as a result. melissa: steve, will he suffer or be the tough one he will always be, he can say absolutely anything and never has an impact? >> i think given the mood of the american people, he may have been trapped into that, but they're not going to hold it against him.
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they like the fact he comes across as tough, take no prisoners and will do more than what the current governor is using. the leaders have hit him, opinion has hit him, in terms of public opinion, i don't think it's going to make a dent. melissa: okay, and you know ted cruz always agrees with him, in this instance he is distancing himself which may be indicative, let's listen. >> i don't know what mr. trump did or didn't say. i like donald trump. there are an awful lot of republicans that smack donald with a stick. i'm not one of them. i'm glad he is running, and i think he has generated a lot of excitement. he's focused a lot of people on the race and that has benefitted our campaign enormously. melissa: well, no, i guess that wasn't the one i was thinking of. he didn't distance himself at all, he sort of said i'm not going to comment at all. what do you think of that? >> that's what he said, made it a point in the campaign not to attack donald trump. he feels if trump fades which
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hasn't happened yet, cruz would get a lot of the support. melissa: hadley, he does seem like he's sticking by his man, no matter what? >> i red senator cruz said he's a fan of donald trump but not a fan of government registry. a lot of conservatives are opposed to the idea because the idea doesn't represent independent liberty and religious freedom which is important to republican voters. i believe senator cruz stands against this rhetoric. melissa: we're going to leave it there. thanks, guys, david? david: melissa, you never forget to watch forbes on fox every saturday at 11:00 a.m. on fox news. of course, the star was just here, steve forbes. we love to see him. melissa: he's still here! sitting right next to me! >> and got a great new book called reviving america. you don't want to miss it. lawmakers better not shout, better not cry the capitol christmas tree is coming, folks. traveling a long way to get there. coming up.
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senate before wrapup looking at the market's not a record it did make a positive nelson news out of washington d.c. >> a journey of 4,000 miles by land and sea. >> all the way from alaska of the capitol christmas tree has arrived. looked at. >> age to call it a christmas tree handcrafted by children and others from alaskan communities percolating saturday will be held december 2nd which is about the same time as rockefeller center. >> even president obama
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calls it a christmas tree you wonder if the aclu will jump bin have tried to stir things up but frankly the way things are going and eppley have plenty to report "risk and reward" starts right now. deirdre: 19 people dead with a terrorist attack in west africa gunmen storming the american luxury hotel in a seven and a half hour siege taking 170 hostages. a number of citizens were staying at the hotel when the attack began. the attackers were taken out by special forces. our fox news reporter is with me with the latest.

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