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harder than they have, but the economy has changed underneath their feet. young americans who owe thousands in student loans for a degree that doesn't lead to a job. for the first time in 35 years, more businesses dying than starting, and around the world every day brings news of a new humiliation for america, many, the direct consequence of decisions made when hillary clinton was secretary of state. the democratic party and the political left has no ideas of the fewer. all the ideas are the same tired ideas of the past. more spending, more government, their answer is a new tax on someone and new government program. this nation is going to turn the page, and that's what this election should be about, and as i said at the first debate, if i am our nominee, they'll be the party of the past. we will be the party of the 21st century. [applause]
>> and maria i will note, she's got a lot of experience but policy proven disastrous. every region in the world has gotten worse under her leadership, we abandoned the relationship of israel, radical terrorism is on the rise. iran is getting $100 billion and on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon, everything she's put her hand to is touched, and when we talk about the cronyism of washington, hillary clinton embodies the cronyism of washington, and i'll give you an example of that which is the congressional exemption from obamacare which is fundamentally wrong, and i'll tell you this, if i'm elected president, i will veto any statute that exempts members of congress. the law should apply evenly to every american. [applause] moderator: thank you. i think it's fair to say you're not fans of hillary clinton's resumes. all right, mr. trump. >> we are not.
moderator: i had a feeling, as perhaps the most successful capitalist on this stage tonight, you acknowledged some give capitalism a bad name. particularly critical of businesses that find all sorts of ways of paying their taxes by keeping money abroad. but your own plan includes incentive to bring more than $2 trillion home. isn't that like a onetime bounty? some of the guys you all but call pirates so they keep the loot and pay only a small price to bring it back? >> what's happening neil is not the subject of conversation by politicians, as primarily the only politician, i guess other than carly on the stage, they haven't talked about corporate inversion. corporate inversion, companies are leaving. we used to leave new york to go to florida, better taxes, maybe something else. now they're leaving the united states to go to other countries. they have trillions of dollars in those other countries, going
for two reasons, they can't get their money back in. something where the democrats and the republicans both agree. it's the only thing i can think of, they both agree, let the money come back, in 3 1/2 years, they can't make a deal. can't get the money in. it's probably 2 1/2 trillion, but i think it's much more than that. all of that money could come right in, and be used to rebuild our country, and investments in our country. they can't do it. what we have to do, and what i've done is made the tax rate, and one of the reasons they don't bring into the tax is obnoxious, they can't do it. i made it a 10% number, i've been highly praised for, it we're going to get rid of the bureaucratic problems and roadblocks because that's also a problem, and all of the money pour back into the united states, it's going to be used to build businesses, jobs and everything else, and as i say, my expression is let's make america great again. [applause]
. moderator: senator paul, you are one of 15 republicans to vote for an amendment which states that human activity contributed to climate change. president obama has announced an aggressive plan to cut carbon emissions. at the same time, energy production in america has boomed. is it possible to continue this boom and move toward energy self-sufficiency, while at the same time pursuing a meaningful climate change program? >> the first thing i would do as president is repeal the regulations that are hampering our energy that the president has put in place. [applause] >> including the clean power act, while i do think man may have a role in our climate, i think nature also has a role. the planet's 1.5 billion years old, we've been through
geologic age, through geologic age. temperatures have been warmer, colder, temperatures in the atmosphere has been higher. we need to look before we leap. the president's often fond of saying he wants a balanced solution, but we need to balance keeping the environment clean, we will have rules for that, but we've got to balance that with the economy. he's devastated my state. i say the president is not only destroying kentucky, he's destroying the democrat party because nobody wants to associate with him. what we really need is somebody that understands we need energy of all forms, and that means we will have solar and wind and hydro, but we will still have coal and we will have natural gas, and we've got to have an all of the above policy. but it would be a mistake to shut down all of our industries in the coal fields and shut down the coal power plants. if we did so, we'll have a day we wake up and big cities are very cold or very hot. it's a big danger and shouldn't
do it. and what we should do is say we want all of the above, free up the energy sector and let people produce, drill, let them explore. moderator: thank you, sir? >> maria, critically, when it comes to climate change. >> we've had a 10% reduction in carbon emissions, it isn't because of solyndra. it isn't because of the central players in washington, d.c. it's because we've had a great american success story. the explosion of natural gas taking two existing technologies and applying it through innovation has created lower carbon emissions, lower energy costs. 40% of all the economic activity in the age of obama has come from the energy sector and hillary clinton wants to suppress that. i think we ought to be expanding this. high growth is the path to lower carbon and more jobs. i know for a of the state of florida, we created the largest land purchasing programs and environmental cleanup programs because we had a growing economy.
revenues were growing at 4.4%, it allowed for resources to protect the natural systems. we've got to get to a conservation environment that goes beyond carbon. moderator: i know you want to talks, but we also promised to get people home tonight. and we are going to take a quick break here. i think it is fair to say at this juncture, you can discuss these issues and only business issues to keep it interesting. stick around for the candidates's closing statements after this. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet?
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. moderator: welcome back to the republican presidential debate. and now candidates, it's time for your closing statements. you get 30 seconds each and senator paul, we will begin with you. >> we're the richest, freest, most humanitarian nation in the history of mankind. but we also borrow a million dollars a minute. and the question i have for all americans is think about it, you can be a fiscal conservative if you don't conserve all of the money? if you're a profluggate spender and spend for the military, is that a conservative notion? we have to be conservative with
all spending, domestic spending and welfare spending. i'm the only fiscal conservative on the stage. [applause] moderator: thank you, senator. governor kasich? >> well, ladies and gentlemen, if hillary clinton or bernie sanders were to win this election, my 16-year-olds, i worry about what their life is going to be like. you know, the conservative movement is all about opportunity. it is about lower taxes, it's about balanced budgets, about less regulation, and about sending power, money and influence back to where we live so we can run america from the bottom up. in addition to, that once we have the power and the money and the influence with programs we ship out, each of us have a responsibility, to reach out and to rebuild our families, make them stronger and connect our neighborhoods. all that together, wealth, connection, family, america's greatest days are ahead.
we must win this election. [applause] moderator: carly fiorina? >> imagine a clinton presidency. our military will continue to deteriorate, our veterans will not be cared for, and no, mrs. clinton, that situation is not exaggerated. the rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer, the middle class will continue to get crushed. as bad as that picture is, what's worse is a clinton presidency will corrode the character of this nation because of the clinton way. say whatever have you, to lie as long as you can get away with it. we must beat hillary clinton. carly fiorina can beat hillary clinton. i will beat hillary clinton, and under a president fiorina, we will restore the character of this nation, the security of this nation, the prosperity of this nation because as citizens, we will take our government back.
[applause] moderator: former governor jeb bush. >> jane horton is
sitting with my wife here today, her husband chris was killed in action in afghanistan, and jane spends her time now defending and fighting for military families. they're both heroes. i don't think we need an agitator in chief or a divider in chief, we need a commander in chief that will rebuild our military and restore respect to our veterans by revamping and fixing a broken veteran's administration, that's my pledge to you. i ask for your support. thank you. [applause] . moderator: senator ted cruz? >> 58 years ago, my father fled cuba. as he stood on the deck of the ferryboat with the wind and salt air blowing, he looked back at the oppression and torture he was escaping, and yet he looked forward to the promise of america.
his story is our story, what ties americans together is we are all the children of those who risked everything for freedom. america is in crisis now. i believe in america, and if we get back to the free market principles and constitutional liberties that built this country, we can turn this country around. i
believe that 2016 will be an election like 1980, that we will win by following reagan's admonition to paint in bold colors not pale pastels. we're building a grassroots army. i ask you join us at ted cruz.org and we, the people, can turn this nation around. [applause] moderator: senator marco rubio. >> ours, the story of america is an extraordinary story. it is the story of a nation that for over two centuries each generation left the next better off than themselves. but now because washington is out of touch for the fault of both political parties, for the first time in our history that is in doubt. that is what this election must
be about, because if the next four years are like the last eight years, our children will be the first americans worse off than their parents, this election is about making a different choice, applying principles of limited government and free enterprise to the issues of our time. if we do, we will not save the american dream, we will expand it to reach more people and the 21st century can be a new century, i ask you for your vote and ask you to join us at my website, marco rubio.com. [applause] moderator: he's funny. dr. ben carson. >> in the two hours of this debate, five people have died from drug related deaths. $100 million has been added to our national debt. 200 babies have been killed by abortionists, and 2 veterans
have taken their lives out of despair. this is a narrative that we can change, not we the democrats, not we the republicans, but we the people of america because there is something special about this nation, and we must embrace it and be proud of it and never give it away for the sake of political correctness. [applause] moderator: donald trump? >> thank you. over the years i've created tens of thousands of jobs, and a great company. it's a company i'm very proud of. some of the most iconic assets, anywhere in the world. and i will tell you i don't have to give you a website because i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm putting up my own money. i want to do something really special. i want to make our country greater than it's ever been, i think we have the potential. we cannot lose this election, we cannot let hillary clinton, who is the worst secretary of state in the history of our
country win this election. we will fight. we will win. we truly will make this even more special. we have to make it better than ever before, and i will tell you, the united states can actually be better than ever before. thank you. [applause] moderator: candidates, we want to thank you all. we also appreciate your helping save time by talking over one another at times. that was welcome. by all means, it was a very riveting debate. business issues can be riveting. because it wasn't about us, it's about them. >> thank you. moderator: that will do it. thank you for joining us. [applause] . >> the final debate of this debate night on the fox business network. this, the fourth in a series of republican debates, and joining
me now to give us their views and thoughts on the candidates' performance in this debate, and as neil said it was about business, it was about economics and it was about the issues throughout. and substantively so. fox news digital politics editor chris stirewalt with us, fox business senior correspondent charlie gasparino, and the moderator of tonight's first debate, trish regan. good to have you all here. an extraordinary, more than two hours here at the milwaukee theatre. chris, did the candidates deliver? >> i think some of them definitely delivered. i think ben carson delivered in a big way. i think he not only put to rest the questions that have been dogging him from the press this week, but showed more energy. showed more vivacity and commandive issues. it was not deep and wide, but on some issues he showed greater command. i think he was the class of the field and had a great night. >> charlie?
>> marco rubio had a good debate. on points he probably won. i think ben carson did well. i was astounded how incoherent john kasich and jeb bush were on banking issues. i know a lot about banks, covered them a long time. they didn't cut through. and i think for jeb, this debate did not do him any good. he was a few points i thought he scored. made good points few parts of the debate. i don't think he did well enough to put himself back in the race in a major way. i think that rubio will now being the establishment candidate of choice. >> trish, your thoughts on the second debate, which you got to watch and listen without your moderator responsibilities? >> makes a good point on marco rubio, and i think you're going to see a the love the traditional backing that would have gone to jeb bush, switching over increasingly so to rubio. he talked a lot about the importance of national security
from an economic standpoint which i think is an important thing that really does resonate right now, because we're looking at economic malaise, we're looking at an increasingly weaker position internationally, and the two are linked, and he made the point to rand paul that in order to be a strong country economically, you've got to be a strong country internationally. >> do you know of all the candidates out there, two worked for banks, kasich and jeb bush. think about that. the two guys who worked for banks, could you figure out what the hell they were talking about? >> well, i think a lot of people are trying to figure out what all of the candidates were stating and implying. i want to say very quickly to the audience at home as we were talking about the night's debate. the noise that you hear some of the members of the audience spilling out into the rotunda to consider further their view of what happened and the
candidates preparing to the spin room, who has the best argument, chris, in the spin room for his or her performance. by the way, speaking of her, specifically, fiorina? >> if i had to pick a second place in terms of doing what they needed to do for the evening, it would be fiorina. she did a great job. i think she was tough, but not too nettlesome with trump. dealt with him in a good way. >> you could tell she wanted to be? >> there was more, there was more in the charge than just the buckshot she had in there. she gave it to him and did well, and i think that trump overall by being more mannerly, by saying nice things about fellow republicans, this marks the pivot for him, from a nontraditional human twitter feed into a more of a traditional candidate. he did himself a good turn. >> i personally liked donald, i say this before i take a shot at him.
>> did you learn that from the donald himself? >> when it comes to substantive issues, do we hear him speak? no. if i was looking at a candidate that was both presidential and substantive, had to be rubio. i mean he came across like he knew what he was talking about and seemed confident. >> the one thing donald trump has going for him is a successful career in business. all the politicians can't get a deal done, but i can. >> i think you're right. he does have that advantage, he can play from from a different, if you will, a different level. i'm told that our colleague, neil cavuto, is now -- there you are, neil! great to see you. and let me be the first to congratulate you. just finishing moderating tonight's second debate. you're in the spin room. >> you got it. >> are you happy with the debate?
>> well, you know, too close to the fire, lou. obviously we wanted to make sure that the candidates had their say. take it from a guy who wears makeup, lou. it wasn't about me. it was about the candidates, including this fellow next to me who shares the lead in this presidential race among republicans. dr. ben carson, very good to have you. >> well, can i say the candidates were very happy with you guys. neil: you did a great job, tough issues, and you saved a lot of time talking over one another, that could have been problematic. how do you think when it comes to business economic issues, the rap against you, doctor, you don't know this field, you don't know the political slings and arrows and can't mix it up on these issues. how do you think you did? >> there wasn't anything that was said tonight that i'm not 100% familiar with and ready to discuss. so i feel good about it, i feel
good about the answers they was able to give. i would have loved to have gone into more depth, particularly talking about how do you spare on the economy. at least i was able to get into the effect of regulatory reform or excessive regulation, and the impact that it has. you know, i wanted to talk a little bit more about fed policy and what should be done there. how we really need to have a more responsible type of monetary policy. and janet yellen is a wonderful person. i've known her for many years. neil: but i take it from what came a popular theme, you would not necessarily be reappointing her if you became president of the united states? >> well, i'm not necessarily even saying that. neil: oh, really? so you'd consider it. >> i'm not saying one way or the other. what i am saying is we need to have a central bank that
understands that we have to have responsible predictable g to have to somehow tie our currency to something. neil: could you get back to something that almost all of you took up though you didn't get much of a chance on the issue if a bank of america is the brink, doctor, ted cruz more or less said that's it, good-bye, good-bye. would a president carson allow that? >> i do not believe in government intervention in a capitalist society. neil: so you'd let it go? >> i believe in setting up mechanisms that will warn people that we're not going through that, but quite frankly, if we had allowed, you know, some of the banks to fail the last time around, there were a number of second tier banks that have done things quite effectively. neil: no doubt.
that was a very good point. what startled some, and maybe there's a rationale for this, is that we still really have too big to fail, that still exists, so the bank of america is on the brink, doctor, and for whatever reason, it would be on the brink, that millions of depositors would essentially be told, well, that's the breaks. >> the way i think about things is not a or b. i always bring in c. neil: times awasting, in a meltdown situation like 2008, you don't have a lot of time. >> a lot of options like allowing the depositors to shift to the next level of banks so that they don't lose their money, but the bank that is doing things inappropriately suffers the consequences of doing things inappropriately. neil: do you think, doctor, with all the brouhaha over what you wrote and said, that that's
behind you or more scrutiny because of your position in the polls maybe you haven't adequately answered all this, or is this done with you? >> i can control that. i can simply say, people, look, coach up on the lake. can i sit there and answer a question a day from now until the election or we can deal with appropriate things. if you find a real big scandal, i'll deal with that, but did you do this when you were in the 10th grade and did do you this? forget about it. just go jump in the lake. neil: there are other stronger terms you could use, dr. ben carson, thank you very much. great night. >> it's a pleasure. neil: we'll hear from some of the other candidates in the process, suffice it to say for the candidates the whole idea was to give them a chance to talk about the economic issues that matter to them. this fellow responding to those issues is next. you're watching fox business,
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>> we're a country of laws, we need borders, we'll have a wall. neil: all right we will have a wall, one of the more popular comes donald trump made with a huge reaction. by and large, popularity of donald trump atop republican presidential field, for how long that lasts? a cynic said it would not last more than a week, we're 5 months into it donald trump joining us now. >> thank you, neil. neil: how do you think you surstrive jived? >> we have storied that of my best, i have a great time, we had three very talented people
there asking questions, i said, someone asked, how was it, elegant, you did an elegant job. neil: thank you. we said from the beginning. it is not about us, but we want to facilitate the business debate, and get to the issue that are important to you, a couple of things came up, one that i notice is more stylistic. you allowed some of the others to mix it up, get nasty with each other. you held off, i was watching you. you would not engage in, that i wondered why? >> i'm becoming very diplomatic, you are teaching my that. we mixed it up a little bit, but i don't like doing that when somebody cuts someone else off. neil: you made me mention with that with carly fiorina. >> i thought she was fine, a lot of people were being cut off, she was fine. but i thought that maybe
somebody should speak up. neil: i was watching you, there were a couple of points, we knee knew we are to about to -- others would jump in. >> i of raising my hand. neil: like a catholic grade school. >> it did you not work as well as jumping in. neil: you know, do you worry, any time one of these debates, the fear seems to be this is one they will jar him, they will get him off course, and off note off his stump speech. do you feel anyone did that to you tonight? do you think when polls come out, your lead will be safe? >> well people say i won debate, i don't know if i did. but i think i did well. i enjoyed it, the polls say that too. neil: than just your family.
>> i really liked it, i enjoyed it, you did a fantastic job, you were fair, that did not surprise me with the three of you, you were fair and professional and after that last catastrophy you did a great job. neil: let me ask you about where you go now, we're more than 80 days away from iowa. you poll very well there you poll very well in new hampshire, but everyone i talk to in political community said, this guy can't win. highe can't stay on top, they have been saying it for months now, i am wondering what are they getting wrong, what you remind them they are getting wrong, i don't know tonight, i did notice you not barging and raising your hand. >> i am a calm person 92 that is a shift in strategy from old donald trump, i am wondering are you trying to be presidential? >> i don't think i'm trying to be, i went to an ivy league
school, i was a school student, i have so-called pedigree, but the truth is tonight, i thought it was a wonderful debate, i thought they were let's good question no fantasy football questions, i thought of it a fantastic evening, i am leaving after this interview, i am going to new hampshire. and i am doing something tomorrow morning in new hampshire, i thought it was a special evening actually. neil: did you get a chance to see first debate? >> i did. neil: and -- >> i did. neil: chris christie, very well, people say he is moving back up. >> i hope he does, he is a friend of mine, i hope he gets back up. neil: and lindsey graham, he is mad he did not maybe the cut. >> it is too bad, he is a nice guy, he has been going at it a little bit with me, i understand, that he is a good man, a man of talent, i would like to see him get back also. neil: would you consider him a running mate.
>> too early, i want to win first, i don't want to talk about running mates. neil: is there anyone you would rule out? >> i doifn wan don't want to rule out. >> some are not high the on list but there are some very talented people on the stage, a lot of good, talent the people, i have made some good friends doing this i made pretty good friends out of this group of people. neil: janet yellen's name came up about whether she should be reactor pain at federal reserve, you were critical, saying she has a understood pack with president. >> she is politico. neil: you would not. >> very unlikely 9. neil: it raised some eyebrows, when you said she does barack obama's bidding. >> she political, she is not suppose to be to political. so that is the way i think it is working.
neil: all right, donald trump, have you a busy schedule, he leads this field, i can't say all of the people who said it, this race ensued, a week maybe to, bubble would burst, not bursting, in almost every state poll, national poll, he either is the lead or shares the lead. i don't know whether that is a consensus that professionals have to reassess or his slightly more presidential performance today is indicates he is growing into something else, we don't know, still too early, you are watching continued post debate coverage now on fox business, where we're proud to discuss business, and just business. you can't predict...
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know hard for you to hear, you kind of zinged donald trump on this meeting in a green room with vladimir putin but have you private meetings with the russian leader, it came back to this idea you don't think talks are constructive. we had a lot of talks with vladimir putin over the years. we have warn out our welcome they have warn out theirs. >> the gest is that we've been talking with vladimir putin a lot, most of the time he has been lying to our face, right before russia went into syria we were having talks with vladimir putin, obama, and kerry tacked to him, instead of telling them his plans, he had a general march 2 an office in iraq, deliver a demarche, he feel like talk is
cheap, he does not pay attention to what we say and way, when you are in a negotiation, you need to negotiate from a position of strength. and so we need to rebuild our strength, in vladimir putin's eyes, by taking actions that will push back on his growing adversarial role. neil: do you think that a president, fiorina would be tempting war. >> i don't think we're techin tempting war when we strong, we tempting war when we're weak, when we're not leading, the world is a more dangerous and tragic place right now because president obama has not led, because hillary clinton thought she could change vladimir putin's mind with a gimmicks rereset button, look how well, that worked, we have not pushed back on our adversaries and not stood with our ally, our
allies lose courage and our adversaries press forward, the world is a more dangerous place when we are weak, and a safer place whe when we are strong. neil: we were talking about how much we spend on defense we learned that we helped to build a gas station in afghanistan, there is waste in pentagon. >> of course. neil: donald trump wanted to beat that budget up, a lot of your colleagues up there tonight wanted to beef it up, but surely, there is room to opportunity? >> in defense department, i -- defense secretary there is tooth to tail ratio, two to tail ratios that are measured are as bad as they have ever been, we have to invest in tooth, and reform tail, the
pentagon is a huge bureaucracy as well, there is a lot of opportunity for reform, why we have to go to zero base budgeting and where every dollar is being spent to cut any dollar, move any dollar, and exam inevery dollar. neil: do you think that now, this discussion that people got into, about the fed -- federal reserve chairman janet yelyellen all of a sudden, donald trump was telling me what he said last week. that she is following orders from the white house to keep interest rates low, to essentially help a democrat get elected, do you believe that. >> well , here is what i believe, every single fed reserve chairman and governor has been a. by obama, because of their dual mandate, full empl employment.
somehow the employment rate is not good enough, they keep the zero interest rate policy that helps rich, harms middle class, harms people who are trying to save there is no doubt, i don't know the cause but the effect to to be helpful to obama but it is not helping, the people who need the help. neil: now that we have an employment report that surprised people to the is up side, the thinking seems to be that will raise rates next month, if that the case, you know how it goes be rarely one hike and they are done. since you have been a critic of the fed, maybe propping up the markets and the recovery, wouldn't you welcome that? >> i would but i'm going to make a bet with you, they don't do it. neil: really. >> i made that bet over and over. neil: why. >> and won, something always changes their mind, we had so many times where jobs report
is strong could then weak. truth is last jobs report was strong but two previous were weak. i might be wrong but i am going to bet. now thigh will say that imf said that global economy is slowing down there is too much danger. my bet is they are not doing anything until after the election. neil: where do your travels take you to now. >> i am going to indiana and nebraska, iowa and florida before saturday night. neil: incredible, all right, how are you feeling. >> i feel great. neil: very good. well-known cancer survivor, she has more energy than a lot of folk, all right carly fiorina thank you, safe travels. >> thank you. neil: we're in the spin room, very clearly. on a night that a lot of stated their case.
neil: john kasich, ohio governor. here is what i love about the governor, whether you like him or not, if he feels he is not being called on or slighted, he will let you know, if you don't call on him, he call on himself, sort of like an american-italian quality, looking for that lineage. >> how about croatia. neil: oh, yeah. one of more remarkable echanges in the night what would you do if we had a bank fail? some say it would never happen. ted cruz said, if it were to happen, he would not rescue a bank of america, that is what hillary clinton said. you step back say think about what you are saying, you tell millions of depositors through
no fault of their owner caught up in this whirl wind, and you would let them go? you didn't like that. >> look the investors ought to lose but the depositors are simple people who have nothing to do with that. neil: that was the premise for the bailout last time. >> i'm saying, i think we can put many thins in place that would prevent a lot of what happened. but if the question is, could it happen against? it is it might. and then what -- >> what did you think of governor bush saying it is not going to happen. >> you can never say it not. if we take a lot of steps issue we cure some of the problem that created this financial crisis, i think that will help, but you can never say something is never going to happen. but neil, when you are an executive you have to is a down and figure out the best way to get's positive solution for everyone, you can't just do it on ideology, i'm saying
that -- >> that is where your critic say, he motte , he is is not a conservative. >> i am a conservative. you don't want to let the people who play by the rules get the shaft, let's say, we put rules and regulations but force the dig banks to set aside money based on their risk -- >> let's say they have been doing that, here is what i think. i covered this time of the meltdown, it was happen s quickly in fast market conditions. it was rapidly being depleted then, all capital in world in middle of a freefall is you know, you can't control that so now we're back to something like that, god forbid happens again could you are president. what do you do? >> you sit with your best team
in a room you say, is there a way out of this where we cannot are all of these folks the depositors get clobbered. okay, but what do we do? what is happening? i don't think it just comes you on right away, there were a lot of signs neil on issue of a bubble, now, let me tell you that, i had to let a plant close in ohio, a aluminum plant there is no way i could see they could make money, they could not be profitable, i fell terrible about that decision to not to continue let them operate, i sent people in to help employees,s some arsometimes you have to, but you can't just, what is the case? or situation, it's easy to run for president make a lod of dey -- declarative statements, but i actually want to be president and fix the country.
we had a lot about taxes tonight. you cannot be proposing a 10% flat tax and say you can plan a budget in 4 years, i don't know how you could do that. i have written more basketballs than all of the -- budgets than all of the people. neil: you balance it after your second term. >> in 7 or 8 year, maybe faster if you get economic growth. neil: assuming you get a shot av second term. >> you know the kind of president i'm going to be, i'll be is your show every week, you are so popular. i might not have an opponent when i run 92 you never know. john kasich thank you very much. >> neil you did a fantastic jock all of the moderators did. neil: thank you very much, john kasich, governor of ohio. and he reminded me of that croatia thing, ted cruz is next stick around.
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he is exciting. he's articulate fast on his feet and that's coming from jack welch. very good to see you senator. how do you think you did tonight? >> i thought it was a terrific debate. i will say kudos to boston who attended "the wall street journal." midway through the debate i told all three of you i thought you were doing a terrific job and it's was substandard in the questions weren't softballs. you press the candidates but it was based on substance and policy and record. it wasn't condescending and nasty and personal and i think the result of that as we saw some very clear differentiation among the candidates. i think this debate will prove very helpful for republican primary voters in understanding the differences between where the republican candidates are. neil: contrary to reports no one gave you much of a chance.
you are not the top guy that you were in the top tier now. you are having no problem raising money. you have a lot of cash on hand. you don't blow it away. scott walker have a lot of cash coming in but inexpensive tight budget. not you, you are lean and mean and all of that but how do you close the deal? you have got to wait for others to fail, right? they can keep going on. >> there's a natural windowing process that's happening. you are seeing a clear break in the field and historically there have been two lanes in the republican primary. there has been a moderate establishment lane and a conservative lane. typically in the past there is one consensus moderate candidate all the money gets behind him and on the conservative side there are a bunch of conservatives. nobody has the money and we fight like cats and dogs and that's how the moderate tends to win the nomination and then goes on to lose the general election. what i'm encouraged by this election cycle neil that has
flipped. the moderate lane is crowded as all get out. there are a whole bunch of candidates that i think will spend millions of dollars ripping each other apart to see was going to be the moderate candidate. neil: a couple of them were going after you. i'll know if that's a testament to the money you are racing that you and rand paul. >> and you look at the flipside the conservative link on the two candidates but dropped out rick perry scott walker is very good men, strong governors. both were competing predominantly in the conservative lane and what we are saying is conservatives uniting behind our campaign. neil: you're considered a bridge between the establishment. you are a u.s. senator after all that you are maverick senators who you are outside the difficult political petri dish so do you align yourself closer to the donald trump or the marco rubio's? >> will let me put it this way. i am an elected office although i will point out i've been in the senate three years.
three years ago the last thing i been elected to a student council and i don't think -- neil: well you were solicitor general and argued some of the most important legal cases of our time. >> but that's the other point which is that if you look at, unlike some the candidates in this race, i've got a record. everyone on that stage says they are going to take in washington. they're going to stand up to the cronyism. the natural next question you say you are going to take in washington is okay who actually has taken on washington, not just democrats but leaders in our own party. neil: has said alienated you on both sides? it's one thing to take them on but you are taking everybody on. you have burned a lot of bridges. >> i had earned bridges among career politicians in washington but if you are looking for someone to go along to get along by your guy. neil: if you became president you would have to work for the same people that you ripped a
new one. >> one of the things i talk about a lot, this summer i wrote a book called a time for truth in the book talks about the washington cartel. the career politicians that get in bed with lobbyists and special-interest and grow and grow government. if you look at the last time we broke the washington cartel it was 1980. ronald reagan, and it was a grassroots campaign from the people and it's worth remembering washington despised ronald reagan. remember and 76 reagan had the primary of gerald ford. if you want to make republican leadership in washington load view, come within an inch of the incumbent republican president in a primary and reagan led a grassroots level revolution that swept in and turn the country brown. neil: but you raised a complexity. 76 wasn't easier, 80 was to let me go forward and say 2016 might not be your year in 2020 might.
>> 2016 has to be. the stakes are too high. we are bankrupting our country. it's now or never and i do think the parallels are uncanny uncanny. think of celebrities between barack obama and jimmy carter are striking. neil: they made the solidarity with you and barack obama, roughly the same age and not a lot of senate experience. >> if you think about how did obama get elected? he turned out in. every time we nominate a candidate that runs to the middle we lose and if we nominate another candidate in the mold of the bob dole or john mccain or mitt romney all of whom are good men. neil: we never built monuments to moderates. >> let me put it this way. if you define as a reaganite anyone who was with ronald reagan in the primary in 1980, do you know republicans have never once nominated reaganite for president in 1984?
ever republican nominee from 84 on a post-reagan in 1980. i'm 44 years old and i have never once been able to go and vote for reaganite for president and if you look at why we are losing, if you look at the numbers, i am in numbers and date a guy and you mention i was supreme court litigator. images of the winning bid if you look at the numbers most striking difference between old for the last race we won in 08 and 12 are the millions of conservatives who stayed home in 08 and 12 and if we want to when we need to bring them back. neil: you might be a list to do that but here's where you could get caught up. your comments rescuing the banks made good legal sense. too big to fail obviously a lot of people don't believe it and if we are on the brink we are going to do it again but you seem to be and john kasich was here a few minutes ago, you can't tell innocent depositors through no fault of their own
who got caught up in the malfeasance of the crooks who ran the place or played it wrong that their deposits are gone. >> of course you can't but that's a nonsense point. we have the fdic the federal deposit insurance corporation at aaron tieser deposit. this. neil: there are limits on those deposits. >> we don't necessarily guarantee billionaires and look people are fed up with the cronyism. neil: but how would you played on the stump if you were running for president, ted cruz would let you drown a fine. >> i will tell you what neil, i am happy to give hillary clinton every voter in america the things we should they allowed wall street in the giant banks and i'll take every voter thinks we need to stop bailing out wall street and the giant banks and stand with main street and working men and women and if that's the divide we will win another election and we will be like 2004. it will be like 1984 where
reagan won 49 states. i guarantee the people of america are tired of politicians deciding who is the winner and who is a loser and favoring giant corporations at the expense of the little guy. i fight for the entrepreneur. i fight for the working men and women. i fight for people like a dad in 1957 washing dishes making 50 cents an hour. that's free enterprise, not the cronyism and corruption that characterizes washington right now. neil: where you headed to tomorrow? >> heading to new hampshire. we have a phenomenal pace. it's interesting they are candidates in this field who have to win iowa's comments do or die in their other candidates that have to win new hampshire. i think we have got tremendous flexibility for where allin and iowa. we have an amazing team. we are all in new hampshire. we are all in south carolina and
we are all in nevada but 10 days after south carolina is super tuesday. its georgia, alabama tennessee arkansas oklahoma, texas. those are all conservative southern states. our team there is phenomenal. it's a single day with the most delegates awarded. neil: do you think someone will get to cleveland because we have so many delegates states that we could get to cleveland without a nominee without someone who has both delegates necessary? >> you know is possible by don't think so. we were talking about the two lanes. i think there will be a winner of the moderate lane. it may take until january or february or march. i believe i'm going to win the conservative plan and then when it gets head-to-head and moderate versus a conservative, we went. in the republican primary conservatives outnumber moderates 3-1 in here's a game-changer in the reference it earlier. if you think back to 2012, republican primary voters
desperately wanted a more conservative alternative to mitt romney. they have six, seven, eight mott mott -- front-runners. neil: waterfalls of big money goes to marco rubio? >> that could happen. jeb used marco is the most formidable player in the moderate lane in there slugging it out. neil: they could cancel themselves out. >> what is amazing and a game-changer our fund-raising we have raised over $26 million. reported the last fund-raising quarter the most money in the bank of any republican in the field and that's because today, over 450,000 contributions have gone to ted cruz.org, ted cruz.org. there has not been a true grassroots movement conservative but serious fund-raising ability and the resources to communicate since 1980. ronald reagan was the last time that happened.
neil: you are right about that. senator cruz very good seeing you. be well, safe travels. he's the guy that jack welch likes and he's a pretty good judge of character so that alone should make you think this guy they were dismissing a few months ago is still standing and guess who is still raising money? you are watching fox business where we mean business. we promise you we would stick to it and we did.
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neil: you know we have been getting a ton of e-mails and this e-mail, you did guys did a great job on the debate that maria bartiromo is so much prettier than you are. she has been moderating with people. not about the debate but about the race. >> that's right neal. the most social woman according to facebook right here is when marco marco rubio and rand paul when added when it came to defense spending on the side of the military. overall let's take a look at the top five candidates in terms of engagement. people are talking about on
facebook ben carson no supplies leaving followed by trump and carly fiorina in the top five. we are looking at the gender break down surprisingly rand paul broke through during this debate joined those two hours among men followed by ben carson and donald trump. who were they talking about, ben carson, donald trump, rand paul coming in fourth and then carly fiorina. we are also looking at a top issue nail a very economic focus debate. taxes were the biggest concern among facebook users. that's what they wanted to talk about followed by immigration minimum wage jobs and health care so neal this debate very much capturing the discussion on facebook and you see taxes at the very top. neil: a very good job. the guy that made this debate possible tonight and the fact of the matter is he crunches a lot
of the stuff for the national committee. when they were going through the scheduled debates and they had the numbers with cnbc which is fine and i used to work and it's a a wonderful place. used to be, anyway he could have left it at that and we would make a name for ourselves because really is trying to get included on the movie premiere run and the republican party said we will get these cajon's at fox a chance. you could easily argue her business commitment was filled and he made that possible. sean is not your typical conservative because i noticed his socks as he and i were talking. if we could take a look at those socks. are you able to look at sean socks, guys? this is not your normal conservative guy. we are going to get a close-up of his socks here because i guarantee you and i've seen it
before, he'd care of goes in public by this all the time that he is crafting the next person of the united states. so much for decorum here. >> george w. bush. you can get them at gop.com. neil: arai fine, leaving it at that. how do you think everything went? >> tonight was phenomenal. you guys set the new standard because you did exactly what you said you were going to do. he talks about substantive issues and made about the candidates and for everyone who tuned in tonight they learned about those candidates. they learned where they stood on the issues and that was not one candidate against another. it really was the new gold standard of what a debate is supp about. so congratulations to you, murray of the "washington journal." neil: we promised we would be fair but we would not be -- but the one thing i did notice among
your cabinet they picked up where the prior network left off. they are at each other's throats and wondering if you and i touched on this, sometimes and i did this at cnbc and i got a bad rap but what i think what happens is the close you get to the caucus and the closer you get to campaigns losing money on life-support, they get desperate and they start throwing grenades is it your sense that this field regardless of how they did in the debate is whittling down fast? >> i don't think so. we had two debates tonight. that tells you that we still have these qualified members. that's amazing so i think each of them will make a decision but the difference tonight was a lot in the town. the difference was about issues and where they differed on that particular policy issue. neil: but they are lashing out at each other. ted cruz a close friend and you know them better than i do they
were at each other's throats tonight. >> they want to be president of the united states. if it's done in a respectful way , this is politics. neil: donald trump and what did you think of carly fiorina is interrupting? >> there was a lot of jumping in and out. neil: we wanted to let it go. it wasn't about us but by the same token they didn't want to let it go. it tells me some of them were desperate which is fine. >> it's not always desperation though. sometimes it's how you debate. you want to get your points across and assert yourself. i don't open source about desperation. so i think there are a lot of reasons you do that. tonight overall each of them got their points across. they all got in and had an equal amount of time. that's a good thing to walk out of here.
no one is walking out talking about the moderators and talking about the dodgy questions. they lived and died by their performance and that's what debates are supposed to be about. neil: we were talking about this at the break, when it comes to capital and business and money and markets there is this prevailing mainstream view that capitalism is a great system and you yourself said it. it's hardly everybody. but that was punctured somewhat and the candidates some better than others found a different year. not all these views are so wacky >> now because i think you mainstream media picks financial issues and if you don't believe in giving everything away more government you are bad. the candidate should be can be for economic development and he could be for lifting up workers wages but allowing the market to do -- to have innovation. there are things, that's what
made our country. and that's what we'll continue to maker country great not what we spend on government handouts to people. that's never a long-term fix. neil: i know you think you don't envision there will be a mass exodus of candidates but can it go on very long when you have eight on the field and it will be different with other venues but that's hard for them to get a word in edgewise. >> it is and that's what i'm saying for each one of them the process will work its will and i think they will make a decision based on how much support they have, how much money they are racing and how long they stay in or out of the race. you saw the candidate in rick santorum who didn't have a ton of money but he worked hard and came out the winner. i think a lot of campaigns looked at the santorum model in said hey you know what i think i can resonate with voters in new hampshire iowa south carolina nevada or in a lot of the states but each will craft their own on
resources they have. neil: when was the last time you slept? >> slept well and slept are two different things. i'm going to sleep like a baby tonight because i really was proud of the job not only do you guys did but the performance that these candidates put forward. every one of them should be proud of what they did. neil: you don't get much credit for a lot of things but i want to stress you could make an argument that sean was doing this. you know we are covered. they did it and now was up to us to succeed or fail. i am getting e-mails especially those of you that don't find me particularly handsome hurtful. but thank you. falling on deaf ears but my point is shown gave us that opportunity to prove you could do these issues without getting personal about these issues. he was doing it.
i think we need to repeal every rule that barack obama has come everyone every one of them. [applause] and start over. neil: all right i'm not very good so close to the fire helping to moderate this debate to know who won or lost that i will say i think jeb bush did a heck of a lot better than he is done in prior debates. his campaign manager joins us right now. i think he did certainly better and certainly stood out more than he has in the past. but the question is whether he has enough momentum now because there are a lot of people, talking about this with my buddy , lot of people who still aren't sure he can never get
that mojo back at least the early front-runner of momentum mojo that he had before these other candidates entered the race in the phelbeck further in the race. what do you say? >> governor bush is the most accomplished conservative performer on the stage. he has robust policy positions and achieved high sustained economic growth in washington and taking a bite sizes. from our perspective tonight we were able to talk about that a little bit. we were able to litigate the case against hillary clinton. we are able to talk about how his policies affect everyday americans so we appreciate the opportunity to do so and i think as voters learn more about governor bush he is the most prepared person to be president they will support them more and more. neil: all right you could debate whether he was the most prepared in the debate but i will agree someone watching he was certainly on top of this his game tonight. a lot of candidates were but
this might surprise you that hillary clinton was watching the debate as well or at least of people were. she was tweeting out two different things. times republican had ideas for the middle-class, zero. times republicans -- hillary, lost count. >> giving barack obama an a on his failed economic policies with left with the candidates on the stage. one candidate governor florida was able to work with others to get 4% growth. cut taxes every year totaling 90 year totaling $19 million has a plan to move the country forward and do the same year nationally. i think that's a stark contrast versus hillary clinton and we look forward to having that discussion with her in the general election. neil: why does your candidate not do a lot of the conventional things that candidates do? they run up into the spin room where i am now. when he is done with these
things he can't be bothered. >> is going to be on fox tomorrow. he will do much like the other candidates. we appreciate the opportunity to share our message and speak with wonderful people like you nailed. no you didn't answer my question why doesn't he spend his performance? >> a candidate is on his way to iowa to talk to others. no understood. thank you very much. what do you think of what danny was saying? i will agree as far as bush's performance was markedly better paid. >> i don't think it was better enough. jeb bush is good on the issues. he's a smart man. he's a wonk. he understands all the issues. he can write all the position papers himself. i will say a couple of things. i don't think he was good enough to rise above rubio. if you look at just who won tonight on rhetorical points and you had a better command
particularly banking issues it had to be marco rubio. i would say this, jeb pushed and kasich to a certain degree were incomprehensible when it came to describing banks, the problems with banks. no kasich was saying this much, that he couldn't picture leading america go down maybe that was the most honest. >> it wasn't that. it was how he described how he prospered. no i understand that. you would think the risk here though is a ted cruz we will never rescue the banks. can you see that happening? >> i don't think there was a good answer because it's not just ted cruz. it's neil cavuto who says that. i'm not saying that you are some super right-wing lunatic. you and i have -- i've defended bank bank bailouts and you say it's unfair. why should things be bill back? the guy at the corner store to get bailed out.
that argument resonates with republican voters and i'm telling you he made a huge mistake on that. jeb made of this -- a mistake. no you are in the liberal camp that supported the bank bailouts. >> i'm in the camp were says it was a necessary evil. no understand that but that is what kasich was saying. so you hate yourself create it means you hate you. >> dude. no do? you want to win the republican primary? you call me dude? who won the debate tonight? >> i thought donald did very well. no oh it's donald now. >> by the way he sadly and he said sometimes i want to kill you, just so you want to know. i thought ben carson did well. i think he did okay and i think marco rubio beyond a doubt one
this thing and i will tell you his people who are not pollyanna-ish about these things are doing high fives right now. they think they have just ended it for bush. in terms of their establishment republicans they think marco rubio has one. no what about carly fiorina? >> carly is very good on the issues. one of the problems is there are always people out there whose standout. donald stands out and i thought marco stood out in about 10 carson stood out. carly was somewhat muted. she did not have a breakout. did you think she had a breakout performance? neil: it's hard to tell with all those people out there. >> but the people who spoke the most articulate. particularly in the second hour marco rubio was slow in the first hour but that second hour. no how do you think the debate went? >> you guys were terrible. you guys were great.
no i can't wish you enough pain. >> why would i be here? why would i be sitting next to you if -- neil: because i asked you to. >> it by value debate was horrible. should i drink a surely temple on new? neil: the pumpkin lattes are good at starbucks. pumpkin lattes. >> number one i tried to jump the line at a nice restaurant. it was in your name. no cnbc. >> a very pretty woman said she thought she saw me in the strip club and i was a stripper. it happened last night. no there is always a risk. we will be back here continuing in the spin room and there are very few spinners left great
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online and on the usaa app. >> his day consider its -- conservative. he can't be conservative promote new programs that you're not going to pay for. [applause] >> we can't have an economy cannot say. their radical jobs in middle east beheading people and crucifying christians. a radical shia cleric in iran trying to get a nuclear weapon. trying to take over the south china sea. i don't believe, i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. [applause] neil: i was two senators going at it and they were discussing security, military spending things like the budget and the debt. it was pretty heated, right?
i want to disavow folks of the notion that if you're talking business issues you can make them dull. there's a whole network devoted to that the fact of the matter is these are not dull issues. these are germane issues and a few but the candidates have it out on these issues you will get some riveting exchanges where do you agree or disagree with those who are arguing on that stage. to a fellow who is living proof elected to the senate when everyone said he didn't have a chance in the world facing the pressure again. of course it's good to have him. >> not everyone nail. no let's talk about the debate and that i want to go with this. >> trying to resort to some prostate cancer. no i will ask you making fun of it. let's talk about the debate into
one. early reits are that marco rubio had a good night, ted cruz had a good night in rand paul had a good night. do you buy that? >> i think fox business one because you lived up to your word and he didn't make yourself the issue. we had a really good debate. the american people won one because they did see from my standpoint in number people on the stage that the leadership of the nation underscore and i saw that serious discussion of what i was hoping would be about economic growth and opportunity and they saw a fair amount of gray matter by the candidates on the stage about we have to reduce regulatory burden of this country and we have to have pro-growth tax reform. we have to have clean environments but we have to keep energy prices low as well. no i know your thoughts on that and that is on the prospect of another bank it forward bank of america, where you had those like ted cruz saying no.
there are procedures in place but you don't bail out banks. i cannot imagine sitting with you we are in a situation god forbid like we went through in 2008, bankamerica must citigroup. they are on the brink and we let them go. >> first of all the whole issue with the federal reserve in our banking system is complex. it doesn't lend itself to demagoguery, wall street versus main street. it's a complex situation. we needed a functioning financial system. no you lead a bank that was on the brink go. >> you have to resolve it in your processes in place to resolve it. no jeb roche indicated that's not going to happen. >> it was way too simplistic in terms of what the answers were. to very complex questions. no but it will happen again.
one thing about crises, the cause might be different but they do happen. >> the agreement was that dodd-frank didn't solve the problem. it exacerbated too big to fail so we didn't fix the problem. we made it worse. no he wouldn't rescue of bank? >> you would make it worse as well. president obama has made it much worse across-the-board. no senator johnson thank you very much. >> congratulations. no are you going to stick with it after the whole thing? >> probably not particularly not raced in your comments. no thank you for sticking around in the spin room. we have a lot more after this including weighing all this out on what they do tomorrow. they're all going to be traveling on the campaign trail. i will give you a hint what is probably in their travel plans, new hampshire and iowa. oh that's right it's a
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sense of humor. you have to repeat you don't mind with your smart rat running for president. >> the line of demarcation came in the kennedy/nixon debates. people that listen to the radio thought nixon won and others thought kennedy won. that's the point where television became the most important factor in getting elected president. before that you could be an eisenhower or people that get elected president. after that, you don't have to be smart but as biden figured out you have to have hair. no so you are saying you don't think the american people would vote for you because you don't have a lot of hair? >> there are is no getting out of the starting gate if you are bald. no you are smart money man. you do you think one could right? and note ted cruz is your candidate. he said he wouldn't rescue of bank on the brink. >> but look what happened. john kasich said injector so.
no e. said. [inaudible] >> then he said as an executive i would choose who could afford the loss and the audience starts clapping. >> if he were the nominee they would lift him out. >> ted and i talked about it and what you might remember former fdic chair isaacs was proposing you don't bail them out but we could have passed a bill that says all those american citizens american corporations have money in foreign banks. if you bring it in no taxes and if you invest we could have saved lehman brothers. poulson let them fail. i would not have given up zero so a dime. no do you think it will happen again? >> no, i don't and if your member i'm going on seven years memory.
you kept your head in this kipling paraphrase but if you can keep your head while all those about you or your losing theirs. no was met yogi berra? >> it was kipling. but any way you do it with private money and bringing the private capital and. no easier said than done. >> i thought it was a terrific bait -- thought it was a terrifc bait -- debate. you were terrific. you threw the ball up in you canvas jump for it. that's what we need in the first box debate. >> we will keep our word. i'm glad we can find a way to make money. louis gohmert thank you very much. i think you should run for president. stick around, more after the son of dn.
neil: all right one of the greatest political minds i know pat caddell. >> i want to say the debate was great and he finally lived up to the quality and kindness of your staff. he finally did some good. no do not encourage them. >> i know but it's true. i have to tell you i thought, the winners i thought for different reasons but i thought trump did well because nobody -- neil: he was more presidential tonight.
he had the opportunity to barge in. >> he didn't do anything like that and i thought the things he said about eisenhower stunned me. i didn't know any of that. rubio obviously won. get a big audience there. i thought he did well in i will tell you i thought the outsiders did well but ted cruz also who i thought started much too ideological and this race. no did a body that he would rescue of bank? >> with a one thing that this country will not stand from bernie sanders supporters to the tea partiers from the occupy wall street is bailing out the banks again. no au contraire my friend. there are banks. bankamerica's on the brain. not rescue at?n the brain. not rescue at? >> look you have fdic. somebody can loan them money. i'm just saying -- no jimmy
carter the guy you elected. that's not the answer. >> if i were running it would never get to that situation. i think he made himself more of an outsider and i think he spent too much of an ideologue. i thought kasich destroyed himself tonight. no as i told them that long-winded answer might have hurt him. >> when he went in the statement about the fed. no the audience booed him. >> we talked about the fed and he said congress should and do anything overseeing the fed. i thought rupiah did well. i will tell you what happened in the second half, bush did great in the beginning and then he seemed to fade into bush-ism. when he got there i was lost with him. the other thing that was interesting was foreign-policy. you remember you show the thing